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 | | From: | info at economicdemocracy.org | | Subject: | Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 09:15:24 -0800 |
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 | Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five
children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was
travelling.
The children survived but emerged from the car spattered with blood,
screaming and traumatised. The soldiers tended to them and brought them
to hospital.
The incident happened in Tal Afar, near Mosul, in northern Iraq, late
on Tuesday.
According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
The US forces' press service said the military extended its condolences
for the incident, but added that "the military must take appropriate
action against possible threats" because of the prevalence of car
bombs. [These threats of course would not exist if the foreign invading
army, which is what
we are in Iraq, would stop its occupation-by-military-force of oil-rich
Iraq]
The incident was witnessed by Chris Hondros, a photographer, who
recorded it in a series of dramatic pictures. They show how troops shot
dead the driver and one passenger - husband and wife, apparently, but
unnamed in the photograph captions.
The five children in the rear of the car survived, with only one being
slightly injured by a bullet. The military said it was investigating
what happened.
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| | From: | Bill Gamelson | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:25:08 -0600 |
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| >>Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>>An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five
>>children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was
>>travelling.
Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>>According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
>>of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
>>came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
--
"Truth lags last, limping along on the arm of Time."
-- Baltasar Gracian
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| | From: | ShÎllary | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 19:56:50 -0000 |
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| In article <00wId.1625$8Q.730@okepread06>
"Bill Gamelson" wrote:
>
> >>Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>
>
> >>An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five
> >>children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was
> >>travelling.
>
> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>
> >>According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
> >>Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
> >>of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
> >>came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
>
> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
>
There is nothing but Fact ,How can You call it Drivel?
You do not know the definition of drivel.
You make less than $16k a year and Your're a Bush supporter , there exists
no dumber animal.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m8986&l=i&size=1&hd=0
Are these photos Drivel?
Is this a Police state or is it Iraqi Freedom?
Would You get pissed at Chinese troops at Checkpoints in Hicktown,USA
Would You stop like a Good comrade for the occupying red Chinese?
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| | From: | Bradley K. Sherman | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 12:54:58 -0500 |
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| In article <00wId.1625$8Q.730@okepread06>,
Bill Gamelson wrote:
>>>Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>
>
>>>An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five
>>>children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was
>>>travelling.
>
>Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>
>>>According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>>Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
>>>of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
>>>came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
>
>You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
Do you understand that there are checkpoints in Iraq put up
by robbers, where if you stop they will kill you and take your
money and goods? It was *dusk*. If you had your kids in the
back, how would you choose?
--bks
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| | From: | L Alpert | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800 |
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| Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> In article <00wId.1625$8Q.730@okepread06>,
> Bill Gamelson wrote:
>>>> Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>>
>>
>>>> An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their
>>>> five children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the
>>>> family was travelling.
>>
>> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>>
>>>> According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>>> Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division
>>>> out of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to
>>>> stop and came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a
>>>> dusk patrol.
>>
>> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
>
> Do you understand that there are checkpoints in Iraq put up
> by robbers, where if you stop they will kill you and take your
> money and goods? It was *dusk*. If you had your kids in the
> back, how would you choose?
>
> --bks
Do you also know that there are car bombings as random events in Iraq? So
you tell me what a soldier is to do....
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:09:28 -0500 |
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| On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>...So
>you tell me what a soldier is to do....
Leave the poor Iraqis alone, and come home to the USA
to defend it from the traitors of the Bush crime gang ...
Support our troops: stop Bush and Cheney from killing them.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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| | From: | L Alpert | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:00:00 -0800 |
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| * US * wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800, "Loser Alpert"
> wrote:
>
>> ...So
>> you tell me what a soldier is to do....
>
> Leave the poor Iraqis alone, and come home to the USA
> to defend it from the traitors of the Bush crime gang ...
Well, of course that is not up to the individual soldier. We need to
convince....nah, never mind. You have proven to be senseless in the past.
No reason to believe you would join in to any type of logical discussion
now.
>
> Support our troops: stop Bush and Cheney from killing them.
>
> http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
Correct. Bring them home would be best......
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:08:55 -0500 |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:00:00 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>Well, of course that is not up to the individual soldier.
They were sent to Iraq illegally.
Not a one of them should be prosecuted for refusing to go or stay there.
>...proven to be senseless in the past.
You believed Bush's lies because of that.
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>...So
>you tell me what a soldier is to do....
Leave the poor Iraqis alone, and come home to the USA
to defend it from the traitors of the Bush crime gang ...
Support our troops: stop Bush and Cheney from killing them.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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| | From: | L Alpert | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:43 -0800 |
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| * US * wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:00:00 -0800, "Loser Alpert"
> wrote:
>
>> Well, of course that is not up to the individual soldier.
>
> They were sent to Iraq illegally.
It doesn't matter, if they don't go, they go to jail.
>
> Not a one of them should be prosecuted for refusing to go or stay
> there.
What should be and what is are two different things. That is the reality of
it.
>
>> ...proven to be senseless in the past.
>
> You believed Bush's lies because of that.
This isn't about me, remember.......
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800, "Loser Alpert"
> wrote:
>
>> ...So
>> you tell me what a soldier is to do....
>
> Leave the poor Iraqis alone, and come home to the USA
> to defend it from the traitors of the Bush crime gang ...
And be tried for desertion during wartime (or police action). It's that
whole reality thing that fails you. They have no choice, only the voters
can help them.
>
> Support our troops: stop Bush and Cheney from killing them.
>
> http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
Yes, bringing them home would be a good thing.
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:39:42 -0500 |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:43 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>It doesn't matter, if they don't go, they go to jail.
In case you hadn't noticed, that still beats being
sickened, maimed, or killed for Bush's lies.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:00:00 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>Well, of course that is not up to the individual soldier.
They were sent to Iraq illegally.
Not a one of them should be prosecuted for refusing to go or stay there.
>...proven to be senseless in the past.
You believed Bush's lies because of that.
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>...So
>you tell me what a soldier is to do....
Leave the poor Iraqis alone, and come home to the USA
to defend it from the traitors of the Bush crime gang ...
Support our troops: stop Bush and Cheney from killing them.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:40:45 -0500 |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:43 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>...only the voters
>can help them.
There is no longer any valid vote in the USA.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:00:00 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>Well, of course that is not up to the individual soldier.
They were sent to Iraq illegally.
Not a one of them should be prosecuted for refusing to go or stay there.
>...proven to be senseless in the past.
You believed Bush's lies because of that.
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0800, "Loser Alpert" wrote:
>...So
>you tell me what a soldier is to do....
Leave the poor Iraqis alone, and come home to the USA
to defend it from the traitors of the Bush crime gang ...
Support our troops: stop Bush and Cheney from killing them.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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| | From: | Salad | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:49:50 GMT |
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| Bill Gamelson wrote:
>>>Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>
>
>
>>>An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five
>>>children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was
>>>travelling.
>
>
> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>
>
>>>According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>>Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
>>>of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
>>>came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
>
>
> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
How would you feel if instead of some nameless Iraqi couple that was
your sister's or brother's kids? I figure about the same as you
currently do.
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| | From: | L Alpert | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:02 -0800 |
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| Salad wrote:
> Bill Gamelson wrote:
>
>>>> Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>>
>>
>>
>>>> An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their
>>>> five children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the
>>>> family was travelling.
>>
>>
>> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>>
>>
>>>> According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>>> Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division
>>>> out of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to
>>>> stop and came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a
>>>> dusk patrol.
>>
>>
>> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
>
> How would you feel if instead of some nameless Iraqi couple that was
> your sister's or brother's kids? I figure about the same as you
> currently do.
What if was a car bomb?
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| | From: | Wm James | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 17:04:04 -0600 |
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| On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:02 -0800, "L Alpert"
wrote:
>Salad wrote:
>> Bill Gamelson wrote:
>>
>>>>> Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their
>>>>> five children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the
>>>>> family was travelling.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>>>> Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division
>>>>> out of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to
>>>>> stop and came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a
>>>>> dusk patrol.
>>>
>>>
>>> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
>>
>> How would you feel if instead of some nameless Iraqi couple that was
>> your sister's or brother's kids? I figure about the same as you
>> currently do.
>
>What if was a car bomb?
>
>
Interesting, isn't it? They whine and complain about the troops
getting killed, then whine and complain when the troops act to prevent
it. I think they really don't care what happens, they just want to
hine and complain.
William R. James
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:59:10 -0500 |
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| On 23 Jan 2005 17:04:04 -0600, Wm "Liar" James wrote:
>Interesting, isn't it? They whine and complain about the troops
>getting killed,
Bush doesn't: he says it "Feels Good!" to kill US troops with his lies.
Those of us who are not hysterical with unfounded fears calmly and
clearly say "support our troops - bring them home!"
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
>then whine and complain when the troops act to prevent
>it ...
The murders of the parents in front of their children did not prevent
any act of violence against the troops whatsoever.
You are merely lying.
You are doing so to promote war crimes because you're supporting
Nazism and treason against the USA.
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| | From: | L Alpert | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:01:23 -0800 |
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| Wm James wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:02 -0800, "L Alpert"
> wrote:
>
>> Salad wrote:
>>> Bill Gamelson wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their
>>>>>> five children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the
>>>>>> family was travelling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion,
>>>>>> 5th Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry
>>>>>> Division out of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it
>>>>>> failed to stop and came towards soldiers, despite warning shots,
>>>>>> during a dusk patrol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
>>>
>>> How would you feel if instead of some nameless Iraqi couple that was
>>> your sister's or brother's kids? I figure about the same as you
>>> currently do.
>>
>> What if was a car bomb?
>>
>>
>
>
> Interesting, isn't it? They whine and complain about the troops
> getting killed, then whine and complain when the troops act to prevent
> it. I think they really don't care what happens, they just want to
> hine and complain.
>
> William R. James
Good observation. Some people are just never satisfied.
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:09:45 -0500 |
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| As with all the other Iraqis, these murder victims
were no threat to anyone in the USA, nor even
to the invaders.
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| | From: | L Alpert | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:11:37 -0800 |
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| * US * wrote:
> As with all the other Iraqis, these murder victims
> were no threat to anyone in the USA, nor even
> to the invaders.
A car full of Iraqis approaching American troops (or another Iraqi that
disagrees with the terrorist for that matter) that fail to yield to warnings
not to approach are a threat. Under other circumstances, than yes, they are
not a threat. Context. Think within the context of reality.
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:41:20 -0500 |
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| As with all the other Iraqis, these murder victims
were no threat to anyone in the USA, nor even
to the invaders.
There is no excuse for the murders of anyone
in Iraq by anyone from the USA.
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:09:13 -0500 |
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| On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:02 -0800, "L Alpert" wrote:
>What if was [sic] a car bomb?
Bush failed to secure huge quantities of explosives in
his haste to grab the oil production facilities.
Why don't you believe in innocent until proven guilty?
Do you really hate American ideals that much?
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| | From: | Wm James | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 17:02:04 -0600 |
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| On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:49:50 GMT, Salad wrote:
>Bill Gamelson wrote:
>
>>>>Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children
>>
>>
>>
>>>>An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five
>>>>children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was
>>>>travelling.
>>
>>
>> Well gee, I wonder why? Could it possibly be because of:
>>
>>
>>>>According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>>>>Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
>>>>of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
>>>>came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
>>
>>
>> You didn't read that far before you posted your drivel, did you?
>
>How would you feel if instead of some nameless Iraqi couple that was
>your sister's or brother's kids? I figure about the same as you
>currently do.
How would you tell you kid who's serving in the military over there to
act when a driver refuses to stop? Why don't you gather up your
family and all go over there and vulunteer to check out all the cars
under such situations?
William R. James
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:00:39 -0500 |
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| On 23 Jan 2005 17:02:04 -0600, Wm "Liar and Chickenhawk" James
wrote:
>... go over there and vulunteer [sic] ...
Why haven't you?
Oh, that's right, you're too scared, and you hope
others will fund and die for your sadomasochist
fantasies of war crimes.
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| | From: | Wm James | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 17:00:05 -0600 |
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| On 22 Jan 2005 09:15:24 -0800, info@economicdemocracy.org wrote:
>According to the US military, soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 5th
>Infantry Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division out
>of Fort Lewis, Washington, fired on the car when it failed to stop and
>came towards soldiers, despite warning shots, during a dusk patrol.
So what's the problem? At least put the blame where it belongs, on
the parents.
William R. James
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| | From: | * US * | | Subject: | Re: Troops kill Iraqi couple in front of children | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:01:38 -0500 |
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| Bush has no right to be telling any Iraqis what to do or not,
much less slaughtering the innocents there.
He's no better than his family's hero Hitler, and, if permitted,
will become much worse.
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