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>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:22:25 -0500
>From: george@gehlen.zzn.com (George French)
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: Johnsons need publicity too now
>To: turmel-owner@yahoogroups.com
Dear Mr. Turmel, There is a free speech venue on MOJO
radio's 'A View From Space' Saturday night at 9p.m. Things
are quite risque to say the least give it a try some night.
There is a podium for money and banking too.
We're making fellow travellers. I'll forward you a letter
I'm writing all MP's and Senator's Re: these anti-terrorist
laws. There is a fourth level of government we are not
taught about. It is the citizenry. When our representatives
become our masters it's time to start over. Spread it around
in your circle. George.
George. http://gehlen.zzn.com
MOJO (416) 870-6400 or *640
JCT: I tuned in it was some pretty good conspiracy stuff. He
showed some fascination for the enslavers. Actually, I never
really thought I'd see the day when they were talking about
the Illuminati (one bankster secret society out of
thousands).
A View From Space (Gary Bell)
640 MOJO Radio Toronto (416) 870-6400 or *640
9pm Jan 22 Sunday 2004
It leads off with learn things you never knew and be amazed
by things you should know. Let's see.
Bell did dig into the New World Order with Bush's words "new
order of the ages." He pointed to the one-dollar bill, a new
world system.
It's really good to see a conspiracy-learned generation. Can
they have perpetuated a slavery system on the whole human
race overtly? These are guys who are digging into the old
conspiracy books.
What makes money history so interesting is that it's the
reality of hidden control. And the better your grasp of the
over-all picture that interest results in death and human
debt slavery, the more you can glean from the history books
you read.
The truth about slavery of money chains is like a mosaic
where you see little patches of the truths from every
history book you read. Almost every book adds or supports a
certain true picture. Sure there's disinformation but the
more tiles nearby light up with the truth, the more the lie
stands out. You now note evidence of inflation which
indicates the usury scam. You now note evidence of slavery,
usually the usury scam or scarce resources. You now note
common weights for Standard of Exchange metals gold and
silver as a dead give-away of the usury scam. Common weights
of gold and silver used all over the world can't be
accidental. And common tokens at interest are evidence of
international debt bondage, just like today. They indicate a
hidden global system of control that has stayed mostly
hidden up until now. Now it is almost fully exposed.
I must admit that there's nothing I find as fascinating as
the biography of someone who had control of money, the yokes
of slavery, during an era under observation. Those with
money are but the over-seer Teamsters tending the Master's
human slaves. The Master hasn't written a bio.
The problem was that video news is pure propaganda pushing
the orthodox spin of freedom. And with villains like George
Bush to rail at, it makes it easy.
"Get used to massive debts, Because there are more coming.
Anyone stands in the way of the New World Order will be
crushed. What else to expect from a Skull and Bones
president."
Bell noted how Christians downplay Bush facing the
Washington monument obelisk though the Bible shows God's
hatred for obelisks.
"Bush's Speech filled with empty wonderfully-sounding words.
He used "freedom" 27 times."
Gary's minor beef was Bush taking his oath at 11:55am, not
at high noon like the Constitution calls for! He called it
the Skull and Bones inauguration because they operate 5
minutes before every else. That's something I hadn't heard.
I just lumped S&B as another bankster secret society but I'd
say much more info's leaked out about it since I last looked
into them. I just know that both Bush and Kerry were in it
so I could have told Gary it was going to be a Skull and
Bones inauguration before the election. Neat about the 5
minutes before everyone else. Bet they don't think ahead of
The Engineer.
Also, he spent lots of time on Bush and daughters giving the
Texas Longhorn band's index-pinky fingered salute. Some call
it the Devil's Horns. To my generation, it simply meant
"bull-shit" so I found it more "interesting" rather than
"indicting."
"Even London England, their staunch ally, had a negative
reaction. The Independent said the statement they were
spreading freedom and democracy is a "sugar coated lie."
They called America the "armed wing of Amnesty
International."
JCT: Actually, it's the London Elite, not the English, who
staunch. I have no doubt that far more British than
Americans are now starting to wonder if there's going to be
any possible honorable retreat. Is it going to be
helicopters over Bagdad like in Saigon with the CIA trying
to burn the evidence of their Phoenix mass murder program
before escaping? Or will the invaders be stranded like the
Nazis were in Russia and over-whelmed. Remember, before they
invaded, I joked it wasn't going to be an ordinary war. It
was going to be like Belfast. Times a hundred. (My
generation thought of Belfast as the ultimate urban warfare
arena.) Everywhere else was real tank and mortar-style wars.
Other than the Israelis oppressing their genetic semite
Palestinian cousins over the deeds to their tribal lands, we
only had the Irish shooting it out with their genetic twins
over religious bias. So, never presume a "people" have
spoken when they're all hypnotized by their TV news. More
than half of Americans think they're in Iraq because Saddam
did 911! Har har har har. Is there another word other than
hypnosis for the manufacture of their consent for the
invasion and killing of thousands?
Bush said "US won't ignore your oppression nor excuse your
oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand
with you. As long as the whole regions of the world fester
in tyranny, violence will raise a mortal threat. The only
force in history that can break reign of terror is the
expansion of human freedom."
Bell said: And that is contradictory by what they're doing
on the ground. Be honest about it. Talk is cheap and your
actions are screaming so loud I can't hear a word you're
saying." If Bush was serious about exporting democracy and
freedom, the best place to start would be the authoritarian
regimes he is now helping.
JCT: As if this is new?
"Hugo Chavez elected 6 times in Venezuela and when he wanted
to spread some money around, Bush threatened him with a
regime change."
He then mentions all the incredible things you don't get to
hear about because the monopoly media is working for the new
world order to be implemented. Boy, could I tell him stories
about media black-outs being the subject of the biggest one
in Canadian judicial history. When the Krieger Bogus
Convictions Scandal his the news, every judge who put his
signature on a bogus conviction and then did not correct his
error can be called to account! That's almost every judge in
Canada who screwed up royally and didn't do their jobs
right. Imagine each convicting hundreds of innocent
Canadians because they were too lazy to read the Krieger
decision for themselves.
http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb/1998-2003/ca/Criminal/2003/2003abca0085.pdf
He talks about how they're thinking of sending in death
squads into Iraq like in they did in Salvador and Viet Nam
(Phoenix Project).
"1000 US soldiers killed, 22,000 civilians. And army against
civilians. War against you and I to wrap you up in a fear
package to accept every change of law to strip you of your
freedoms. To enslave you. At what price? Being safe.
Everyone will give up their freedoms to be safe."
"Notice the stories after the inauguration that hit the
waves about a nuclear attack in America. Could be in a
suitcase. Could come in on a train. Could come in one of the
ports. Then they bring the experts to answer what they're
doing to keep us safe. They tell you but always add "we
could do more."
And they're all of this, change of laws in all of the
countries around the world. On one single event. Sep 11
2001. Lot of mileage out of that "day of fire" George W
likes to call it. And we'll be getting more of the same.
JCT: They got Congress to cancel half of America's human
rights in the Patriot Act without reading it and we've all
heard they have Patriot Act II to cancel the rest of their
human rights as soon as they manufacture another crisis to
stampede the people's shepherds into signing more laws
blind. Hey, you can bet Anne McLellan's got Canada's version
of the Patriot Act to take away our rights ready to
introduce at the first critical opportunity. Keep in mind,
she's was Health Minister when the Krieger decision came
down and kept lying about the law. As our Emergency Czar,
when scares me more than any other Canadian politician.
She's a skillful liar, is responsible for thousands of
preventable Canadian deaths during her admin, and I'm scared
she's just warming up.
"That's the view from space, I'm the guy they call Space at
640 Toronto.'
It's over an an hour that I've been kept waiting on the
line. I knew my recent post on war and slavery bubbling up
from the usury death-gamble in antiquity would fit in with
the Bush crowd who inherited our financial chains. We lose
to debt service system, they profit by it.
When his producer called the second time, I told him to the
Babylonian Woe and said he was missing a really important
part. I mentioned I was in the Guinness Record Book, the
Anthology of Great Canadian Characters and gave the speech
on banking systems for the Millennium Declaration. It sure
felt like they just wanted me to go away.
"Even after the Iraq election, they won't control their own
economy, Bankers from the IMF will. And their debt has been
forgiven. But has Indonesia's? Has Sri Lanka's? No, a
moratorium but if you check on that moratorium, they got you
to give all of that money, billions, will all the telethons
and all the stars, that moratorium still has the interest
being ratcheted up. You don't have to pay right now, but
that doesn't stop or freeze the interest that keeps
accumulating with this incredible debt."
JCT: Talk about warming my heart. It's not often I get to
hear the positive feedback bashed so I thoroughly enjoyed
it. Everybody chips in except the investment coupon-
clippers. That marches on.
"$48 billion for Indonesia. And what are they used for? All
they've got is a little bit of oil and gas up in Aceh
province and the rest is tourism. Sex vacations. Expressed
horror at the child prostitution business without explaining
why it's preferable to starving.
He says the tsunami was set off by a nuclear blast. Wow.
Never heard that one. But if 19 Arabs can find a way to
stand down the US Airforce protection of New York and
Washington on 911, anything is possible.
Replacing the old "axis of evil" is "Outposts of tyranny,"
what they call the trouble-making countries are called.
Cuba's been added to the list, Zimbabwe's and Burma,
Myanmar. The Buddhists are anti-banking cabal countries.
They don't want to go into debt. They don't want to end up
like Indonesia, $48 billion dollars in debt and having their
children carried off into ual slavery."
JCT: Not too many people speak of slavery anymore. Of
course, Abolitionists have to.
His producer came back again to wonder if I was willing
to wait some more. I guess I was supposed to be deterred and
hang up. It was annoying to be waiting half an hour while
he's asking for calls he's not taking.
Imagine, not one caller, just Gary Bell doing his thing for
over an hour. When I had my open line show on CKAN in 1992
in Newmarket Ontario, I did most of the talking and I could
easily fill a whole hour by myself. But I sure didn't ignore
my callers. I think that was the height of rudeness and so I
decided that the kid was putting out so much good stuff, I
was going to spend whole time explaining how what I could
have added would have complemented his show. What he did to
me was ignorant. Completely unprofessional. He shouldn't
pass himself off as some kind of open information forum when
he uses that kind to tactic to deter callers.
TURMEL ON
Finally, after 1.5 hours, he takes my call.
Bell: Spaceman, go ahead John.
Turmel: I'm calling about the Babylonian Woe by David Astle.
Ever heard of it?
Bell: Yes. Go ahead.
Turmel: The Babylonian Woe is the greatest history of
loanshark banking in antiquity ever. And I've been,
actually, I gave the speech on banking to the Millennium
Forum which passed the Millennium Declaration to restructure
the global financial architecture with an alternative
time-based currency.
Bell: When was this, John?
Turmel: In the Millennium Year 2000. Have you heard of the
LETS system?
Bell: Yup.
Turmel: Timedollars?
Bell: Um-hum.
Turmel: Timebanks?
Bell: Yes.
Turmel: Okay. Well I gave the speech at the UN to have one
big world-wide timebank with no loan-shark interest to the
Bush family....
Okay? Plus I'm in the Guinness Book of Records, I'm known as
"John The Engineer." And the Anthology of Great Canadian
Characters and I picketed the Bilderbergers... Do you
know who they are?
Bell: Yeah.
Turmel: In 1983 when they were in Montebello 50 miles from
Ottawa where I picketed the Bank of Canada for 5 years and
Parliament every Thursday with a picket sign that said:
Abolish Interest Rates; Banking is dangerous to your
health." And then in 1996 at King City, I picketed the
Bilderbergers again when they came to my country.
So believe me, when it comes to banking systems engineering,
when the newspapers call me "bank fighter-extraordinaire"
"interest rate protester" all that stuff, it eventually paid
off my getting me invited to the UN where I explained to
1350 poor anti-poverty groups, NGOs,
Bell: They couldn't figure that out for themselves John?
Turmel: And now I'm pushing at the World Social Forum in..
Bell: John, John, wait a minute. They need a guy like you to
come in and tell them that interest rates are killing poor
countries.
JCT: Actually, they know that. They need me to explain how
to fix it.
Turmel: Well, yeah, but every time you read the newspapers
and they talk about inflation, the bankers lie to you with
the Big Lie of Economics, that's why I'm going to get a
Nobel Prize for this quick equation I'm going to teach you
right now...
Bell: You know what, you're in big trouble man.
JCT: You know what, no Miracle Equation on his show.
Turmel: No, it's always.. you've heard of the LETS software.
Bell: You'll get a Nobel Peace Prize, you're in big trouble
John. I've got to tell you.
JCT: Not if I get Science and Economics Prizes first.
Turmel: Here's my point. They would have never let me into
the UN unless they're ready to let us be free. Okay?
Bell: Ummm.
Turmel: You just look for "John The Engineer." I'm also the
guy who is fighting to legalise marihuana with the Krieger
decision in Canada. Have you heard about that?
Bell: Um-hum.
JCT: That surprised me. He may be um-humming not really
meaning he knows. Just to be polite. A "go on" sound.
Turmel: The Krieger decision? The Supreme Court of Canada
last year agreed with the Alberta Court of Appeal which
struck down cultivation and possession of marijuana in
Canada in the Krieger decision and I went and found out
about it last year, dug it out of the Court, and the Crown
Attorney is telling the Supreme Court of Canada that as of
last year, the Alberta Court, Section 7 was struck down by
the highest court in Alberta. And I said: how come that
didn't get out? Nobody found out that Krieger, that his
judge struck down cultivation because it's bad to ban people
from growing their medicine. And I checked it out, they
didn't report that the Court of Appeal had said 3 times
"Justice Acton struck down Section 7 and we back her up."
Three times they said it. They reported: Krieger wins the
right to grow for his own personal use. And that's why
nobody knew that the law against marijuana came down that
year. And they've busted a quarter million Canadians since
improperly.
So I organized some "fight your charges" kits and I put them
online, mpforms at John The Engineer's site, just Google for
John The Engineer and you get me, and I've got it used right
now by the Johnson family in Elliot Lake. On Tuesday
February first, Justice Serre hands down the decision on
whether Krieger applies to this family who were busted
growing marijuana in their home. Daddy's sick. Qualifies for
an exemption but doctors won't sign.
The Nielsen family in Paris Ontario. The Johnson family.
Because they always bust the kids with the parents and that
way they hope to coerce the parents into pleading guilty.
Then I've got Pierre Drouin and Real Martin up in Cochrane
challenging their cultivation charges with Krieger. So a lot
of people are saying: How come the Crown Attorney, when he
spoke to the Supreme Court of Canada, said: We know that the
Krieger Court struck down Section 7 in Alberta and then he
didn't tell the police to stop busting people. So, we call
this the Scandal of the Million Bogus charges. And it's at
least a quarter million bogus convictions.
Did you hear about the 4000 charges that were dropped last
December?
Bell: On marijuana possession?
Turmel: Yes.
Bell: Hey, you know what?
Turmel: I did that. They didn't even mention what case it
was, did they? Imagine that I'm not a lawyer and my case,
you find John the Engineer and you can read about it, my
case demanded that the law be declared dead in 2001 and they
agreed and then they said they resurrect it which I say they
can't do. And between the window there, they dropped the
charges against 4000 people because the law was dead. And I
said: Hey, how come you didn't erase all those 100,000
convictions of people while the law was dead? So I appealed
to the Supreme Court of Canada and that's in the Supreme
Court of Canada right now, Turmel #30570, appeal of the
Hitzig resurrection decision.
And that was me on Parliament Hill in May 2003 with 3.3
kilos of marihuana, 7 pounds of marijuana on Parliament Hill
to prove that the law was dead. Did you hear about that?
Bell: Hey John, what do you do for a living?
JCT: I guess the House of Commons life-sentence bust is of
no interest.
Turmel: I'm a professional poker player. I'm known as the
TajProfessor in the Internet world.
Bell: Yeah, what do you do for a living?
Turmel: I'm a professional poker player?
Bell: You can't make a living playing poker.
Turmel: Well I can. I have. Trust me, forget that. I'm known
as the TajProfessor and I was the Teaching Assistant of
Canada's only Mathematics of Gambling course at Carleton...
Bell: CLICK
JCT: He cut me off. I guess it was all so "unbelievable"
that when I him him with the fifth or sixth fact about me he
could not believe, he just cut me off. Too bad Bruce Doc
Ryan never mentioned Turmel in TO Trio media. Maybe Gary
would have been more believing if he had.
When I tuned in, I heard him mutter: "Wow." He asked if
anyone had understood it. No one called in to say yes. He
started reading from my home page,
"Grand-daddy of globalisation protesters. He calls himself
John The Engineer. And I've got to tell you, I've got to say
this, that most of the protesters protesting the
International Monetary Fund, the Bilderbergers, all the rest
of them, are controlled by the Illuminati.
JCT: I've always pointed out that the protest-obstructors
with no alternative to offer were controlled by the
banksters but I, the protest-instructor with the new
liberation alternative to offer am not. Now he simply lumps
everyone together and say that since the banksters have
moles everywhere they can, there are no liberators.
"Because, here's what you do. You control both sides.
JCT: Just like the Feds against Alan Young's Hitzig crew.
"You control the protesters by controlling the leaders of
their movement.
JCT: And me, the person the leaders of those movements have
sought to censor and drown out, don't count as a leader
because the followers are all following others and everyone
knows one can't be a leader without any followers. Har har
har. But we do get to see that even those who do discern
that the leadership of most protest movements are traitors
cannot discern honest reformers in their presumed
"everyone's crooked crowd.'
Isn't it incredible how someone who should more than most
appreciate my engineering efforts, singular and puny though
one man's efforts may be, just can't see it. He's repulsed
at the thought that the someone may have been waging a war
against the enslavers he denounces. He's repulsed at the
thought of someone doing more than mere denouncing. And of
course, it's a pretty unbelievable story too. How will he
react when he finds out it's all true and he threw the guy
who spent 25 years almost single-handedly engineering his
vision of heaven off his show. Har har har har.
"Anybody that's going to get an offer from the UN to speak
to them about usury fees is also being used by them."
JCT: I sure hope so. Of course, he thinks it was some kind
of invite and could never believe I earned that ticket to
the Forum by founding a registered Canadian political party
and running for Prime Minister in 1993 on an Abolish
Interest Rates with LETS platform. And then I fluked a clerk
who was a LETSer in Oz and fluked a chairwoman who wanted to
do something constructive. And Freed in the audience
applauding anything to do with interest-free financial
freedom. Four of us was all it took, and Stephen Rockefeller
who I put on the spot in the plenary that no one expected.
So it's not as if they wanted me there to use me, more I
fought my way in, but they may not have fought me off too
hard. I sure hope they facilitated my interest-free banking
resolution. As I told him, in opposition to his theory that
letting me in meant I was fulfilling their enslavement
dreams, perhaps they were merely acquiescing to my
liberation designs.
His next caller diverted the attention to something more
banal. His show did continue on the financial injustices
going on without ever trying to explain why. He decried the
debt, the interest on the debt. He talked about how the
moratorium on debt payments was useless because they
interest rate goes on. IMF puts even more pressure on them.
They're being put into a hopeless situation that's already
hopeless. Control over people through terroromics.
He liked Muslims for their "No interest on loans." But he
didn't like the Engineer who built the software and proposed
it to the UN. He spent the rest of the show debating with
racist Joseph willing to argue that all Muslims are evil, an
opponent who "exhibited intolerance, hatred, lack of
balance." The easy kind he prefers debating with. Real tough
debate on big issues of the day like the tortures of the
veil.
At one point, he says: "Name one PM who wasn't working for
Paul Demarais in the past 25 years?" He cut off one guy who
ran for PM who wasn't.
Finally, he had one commercial for the Canadian Poker Tour
inviting people to the Toronto Poker Fair to get into the
mind of a professional poker player. Har har har har. He's
got an ad about professional poker players and in the next
breath says they don't exist and loses the best show of his
career in the process. Har har har or sob sob sob. What I
had to offer would have really completed his show.
After I while, called back and asked his producer if he
wanted to continue now that he'd seen my home page and
perhaps calmed down. I stressed I was the former Teaching
Assistant of Canada's only Mathematics of Gambling Course at
Carleton University for 4 years. By now he had to know that
was true. I said I know it's pretty unbelievable but ask him
if he wants to continue with the answers to his questions
from the banking systems engineer? Producer came back to say
no. I said I thought it was chicken and mentioned I'd be
writing an Internet report on his show.
Isn't it funny that even guys who think they know how the
money hypnosis works suffer cognitive dissonance at hearing
the truth too.
>From: "George French"
>Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:53:58 -0500
>To: johnturmel@yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: Johnsons need publicity too now
Dear John,
I heard you on MOJO. You covered a lot of ground. I don't
think Gary understands much of the struggle outside of his
niche, but I'll always respect you.
JCT: He sure sounded promising. Then he bet what he was
hearing was just too impossible. He thought it was safe to
presume no press blackout could be so overwhelming pervasive
that he had missed someone who did all these world-shaking
things, beating pot 4000 charges, engineering UNILETS, and
he hadn't heard. He chose to believe that so much could not
have been suppressed and let his cognitive dissonance rule.
Click.
GF: You got balls to stand up for what you believe in and
you stand up for the exploited.
JCT: It sure is depressing knowing that those who oppose me
won't help and those who see the same oppressors as I do
can't help with the positive while their sole focus is on
the negative.
GF: You can help but love a guy like that. Hopefully you
helped out a lot of people who haven't heard the message
before.
JCT: If they find John The Engineer, they'll find LETS and
UNILETS if that's what they were interested in, or cannabis
resistance if that's it.
Too bad that what could have been one of the greatest shows
on the banking enslavement conspiracy got squelched by one
of the participants who couldn't cope with the epic scope of
the enterprise.
Remember George:
>Dear Mr. Turmel, There is a free speech venue on MOJO
radio's 'A View From Space' Saturday night at 9p.m.
JCT: I know lots of people ask me to call because it's a
good show but it takes my time and it sounds too much like
boasting for some and too unbelievable for others, so like I
told Lorne White, please, you tell them what they should
know about what John The Engineer has done. I can't. Here,
you see the reaction to my trying to abolish interest rates
to someone who is puked out by them too. But if Lorne White
could make a great case for the Krieger argument that I
never could, maybe you should call Bell and try to explain
how he should apologize for not believing me.
>Things are quite risque...
JCT: Not risque enough to cope with The Engineer.
>There is a podium for money and banking too.
JCT: But despite having the foremost expert on banking
systems engineering on his show, he wasn't interested in
delving deeper into how they do it and why.
The only great thing learned in all this is that open-line
radio is the only liberated medium at our disposal. Time
for everyone to start calling their nearest open-line shows
and asking what they think of the Krieger Bogus Convictions
Scandal. Forget the major media. They're locked won tight.
Focus on the open media. And only radio is available.
So please, until Feb. 1, it's up to us who know the truth to
raise the issue in open radio to let more and more people
know that their media is sitting on the biggest scandal in
Canadian judicial history. And it's all coming up in Elliot
Lake on Tuesday Feb. 1 this year.
Of course, only a quash this Thursday in Sturgeon Falls for
Michael Ethier will be in time to announce to the World
Social Forum. Without me there, it's highly unlikely that
the Forum will do more than come out with platitudes about
how something more needs to be done even if the Forum has no
actually world-wide solutions to offer.
Imagine someone calling The Engineer a dupe of the System?
--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics
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