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 | | From: | Asiya | | Subject: | Re: For the alt.magick FAQ | | Date: | Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:56:23 GMT |
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 | "robsllvn" wrote in message
news:1104795134.117084.265490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> i rally enjoyed the book "madame blavatsky's
> baboon" by peter washington about the rise of theosophy and it's
> growth
> in the new age movement.
Interesting, I was recommended that book just a few days ago (first I
had heard of it) and was planning on starting it in a few days.
--
Asiya
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http://www.asiya.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/asiya/
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| | From: | catherine yronwode | | Subject: | Re: For the alt.magick FAQ | | Date: | Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:12:13 GMT |
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| Asiya wrote:
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> "robsllvn" wrote in message
> news:1104795134.117084.265490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > i rally enjoyed the book "madame blavatsky's
> > baboon" by peter washington about the rise
> > of theosophy and it's growth
> > in the new age movement.
>
> Interesting, I was recommended that book just a few days ago (first
> I had heard of it) and was planning on starting it in a few days.
I enjoyed it greatly. It is rather rough on Blavatsky, which
may suit some and offend others, but there are other reasons
to read it as well, among them its well presented placement
of occult events in a wider historical context, and its
(belated) exposure of the ual predations by C. W.
Leadbeater -- a secret at one time as heavily guarded by
Theosophists as the ual predations by Catholic priests
were guarded by the Vatican.
cat yronwode
Hoodoo Folk Magic
Correspondence Course
http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocourse.html
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| | From: | Joseph Littleshoes | | Subject: | Re: For the alt.magick FAQ | | Date: | Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:43:00 GMT |
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| catherine yronwode wrote:
> Asiya wrote:
> >
> > "robsllvn" wrote in message
> > news:1104795134.117084.265490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > i rally enjoyed the book "madame blavatsky's
> > > baboon" by peter washington about the rise
> > > of theosophy and it's growth
> > > in the new age movement.
> >
> > Interesting, I was recommended that book just a few days ago (first
> > I had heard of it) and was planning on starting it in a few days.
>
> I enjoyed it greatly. It is rather rough on Blavatsky, which
> may suit some and offend others, but there are other reasons
> to read it as well, among them its well presented placement
> of occult events in a wider historical context, and its
> (belated) exposure of the ual predations by C. W.
> Leadbeater -- a secret at one time as heavily guarded by
> Theosophists as the ual predations by Catholic priests
> were guarded by the Vatican.
iirc this "secreat" was his encouragment of masterbation by young men
and boys he was in charge of as a teacher, and that not unlike Wilhem
Reichs (sp?) encouragment of the same thing, for good health. Are you
suggesting there was something more "predatory" ? Ever read "David
Blaze" by E.F. Benson, son of an Victorian archbishop of Cantebury?
Often times these Victorian homoual males were extremely introverted
and unable to express there desires while acknowledging them to
themselves, supposedly the founder of the boy scouts (Baden - Powell?)
was in this group.
From the forward by Nancy Mitford to E.F. Bensons' "Make way for Lucia"
"But the chief difference is that, in Lucia's words, "that horrid
thing which Freud calls " is utterly ignored. No writer nowadays
could allow Georgie to do his embroidery and dye his hair and wear his
little cape and sit for hours chatting with Lucia or playing celestial
Mozartino, without hinting at boys in the background. Quaint Irene, in
her fiserman's jersey and knickerbockers, would certainly share her
house with another lesbian and this word woudl be used. There are no
children in the books - "Children are so sitcky," says Georgie,
"espically after tea."
--
Joseph Littleshoes
May be consulted at
--
http://finblake.home.mindspring.com/tarotintro.htm
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| | From: | catherine yronwode | | Subject: | Re: For the alt.magick FAQ | | Date: | Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:31:27 GMT |
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| Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
> catherine yronwode wrote:
>
> > Asiya wrote:
> > >
> > > "robsllvn" wrote in message
> > > news:1104795134.117084.265490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > i rally enjoyed the book "madame blavatsky's
> > > > baboon" by peter washington about the rise
> > > > of theosophy and it's growth
> > > > in the new age movement.
> > >
> > > Interesting, I was recommended that book just a few days ago
> > > (firstI had heard of it) and was planning on starting it in a
> > > few days.
> >
> > I enjoyed it greatly. It is rather rough on Blavatsky, which
> > may suit some and offend others, but there are other reasons
> > to read it as well, among them its well presented placement
> > of occult events in a wider historical context, and its
> > (belated) exposure of the ual predations by C. W.
> > Leadbeater -- a secret at one time as heavily guarded by
> > Theosophists as the ual predations by Catholic priests
> > were guarded by the Vatican.
>
> iirc this "secret" was his encouragment of masterbation by young
> men and boys he was in charge of as a teacher, and that not unlike
> Wilhem Reich's (sp?) encouragment of the same thing, for good
> health. Are you suggesting there was something more "predatory" ?
I think he went farther than "encouragement" -- he actually
handled the boys' genitals himself. In other words, he gave
the boys hand jobs. He was a total perv.
See
http://www.parascience.org/bain2.htm
http://www.parascience.org/bain3.htm
-- from which this extract is taken:
In 1906 a former Anglican Clergyman and member
of the [Theosophical] Society, later to become
prominent in the Liberal Catholic Church, was
called before a committee headed by the
President-Founder of the day, Colonel H.S.Olcott,
one of the co-founders of the Society together
with Madame H.P.Blavatsky, W.Q.Judge and others.
The charge against him [Charles Webster Leadbeater]
was twofold: firstly that he taught young boys to
masturbate (then also called "self-abuse") on a
regular, sometimes daily basis [...]
Among the grounds of complaint [...] was the fact
that he was giving such teaching to boys placed into
his care by a parent or parents with spiritual motives,
but who were not informed of this aspect of his
teaching, and only found out via their children or
other informants. [...]
Even more serious was the charge that in the course of
his "instruction," he handled the boys intimately
himself.
Leadbeater denied none of the charges - he admitted
them.
The committee's report was kept secret and in 1909
Leadbeater was re-admitted to the Theosophical Society and
three hundred members resigned in protest, more than two
hundred of whom made their names public as part of the
protest. Among the protesters was no less an occult figure
than G. R. S. Mead, the president of Blavatsky Lodge.
In 1922 Leadbeater was arrested in Sydney, Australia for
pedophilia.
From: http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biol1/lead1.html --
Over the years, there had been occasional scandals
over Leadbeater's interest in young boys, as in the
case of Krishnamurti, an attractive young Brahmin
whom Leadbeater "acquired" in 1906, proclaiming him
to be the future world saviour. A court battle with
the boy's father ensued, giving unwanted publicity to
the movement - and to Leadbeater.
In Sidney, in 1922, another of these scandals burst.
The bishop was charged with indecencies against
minors. His case made headlines throughout
Australia, when police investigations revealed that it
had been his practice to have a boy with him, even in
bed or in bath, ostensibly to monitor the aging
bishop's health. Even though the charges were
eventually dismissed, Leadbeater never lived down
the scandal.
cat yronwode
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