Welcome to alt.magick.

Here are the most important things to know about the group:

1. Most of the posts here come from a troll with dozens
of aliases. Too many to list and they change all the
time. You'll soon be able to pick them out.

Please don't feed this troll, even if the post you
are reading is reasonable.

The reason this mentally ill vermin hangs around is that
he/she/it is constantly being fed by the Alt Magick Cult
(described below) because he pretends to believe that
they are the advanced magickians they are pretending to
be.

2. There's a little cult of academics/bookworms here
pretending to be advanced magickians.

These people form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Cult):

Cat Yronwode
Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
Joseph Littlefoot
Rick
Asiya

They think they own this group.

Not one of them can use what *they* call "magick" to
do anything at all.

What they can do is play the role and parrot material
from books they've read that they _think_ are about magick
because the authors of those books _say_ they are about
magick.

Cat Yronwode and Nagasiva Yronwode/Tyaginator have a little
web business where they sell items that are alleged to have
magickal properties.

Me? I am a novice magickian that wasted a lot of years
listening to charlatans like the members of the Alt Magick
Cult.

Then I ran into some REAL magickians and am finally
getting somewhere.

See this article for a distillation of what I am learning
and some useful references:

http://tinyurl.com/6hyoy

<+>

--
Bells Ring Under Cerulean Ecstasy

From:	Lars Hedström
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:38:31 GMT

"Alexander Mulligan" wrote:

"Once they accept non-physical causation, their intellectual house of cards
falls into a heap. It can no longer be called "Physical Science" and won't
be."

"Among those that claim to be Physical Scientists (by whatever name) you
will many who want to believe in magick, and do, to some degree or another.
But they want to believe in the random-mechanical-self-contained
universe/reality too. And do, although it is very hard to fit magick into a
paradigm that regards magick to be superstitious nonsense."

Well, we have Niels Bohr's complementary principle: "Contraria sunt
complementa", that is, opposites are complementarity:

"If we adopt the complementary approach to problems of life we may discover
to our pleasant surprise that seemingly irreconcilable points of view need
not be contradictory. These, on deeper understanding may be found to be
mutually illuminating; the two apparently opposing views being partial views
of a 'totality' seen from different planes. It is well known that the
electron is a particle. It is equally well known that the electron is also a
wave. The wave and particle natures are flagrantly opposite because a
certain thing cannot at the same time be a particle (that is, substance
confined to a very small volume) and a wave (that is a field spread out over
a large space), but the electron exhibits both, though not simultaneously as
the two natures are mutually exclusive. The wave-particle duality of
electron presents a most familiar example of complementarity of opposites in
the domain of physics. In fact, the Principle of Complementarity formulated
by the Danish physicist Niels Bohr, has emerged from quantum physics."

Lars

From:	Tom
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:59:01 GMT

"Alexander Mulligan" wrote in message
news:34at3uF3uusbaU1@individual.net...
> Welcome to alt.magick.
>
> Here are the most important things to know about the group:

1. It's generally best to give little credence to unsolicited advice.

2. When someone says something is "important", they mean it's important *to
them*. It may turn out to be completely unimportant to you.

3. Use your best judgement at all times. It may not help, but you can
always salvage a little integrity that way.

From:	Asiya
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:11:41 GMT

"Tom" wrote in message
news:FK3Ed.1957$pZ4.110@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Alexander Mulligan" wrote in message
> news:34at3uF3uusbaU1@individual.net...
>> Welcome to alt.magick.
>>
>> Here are the most important things to know about the group:
>
> 1. It's generally best to give little credence to unsolicited advice.
>
> 2. When someone says something is "important", they mean it's
> important *to
> them*. It may turn out to be completely unimportant to you.
>
> 3. Use your best judgement at all times. It may not help, but you
> can
> always salvage a little integrity that way.

I got a kick out of his post. First time in my life I've ever been
called an "academic". And it's funny to see Bruce use the word
"magickian" without a hint of irony.

--
Asiya
**********
http://www.asiya.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/asiya/

From:	Alexander Mulligan
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	9 Jan 2005 07:21:32 GMT

In alt.magick, Alexander Mulligan wrote:
> Welcome to alt.magick.
>
> Here are the most important things to know about the group:
>
> 1. Most of the posts here come from a troll with dozens
> of aliases. Too many to list and they change all the
> time. You'll soon be able to pick them out.
>
> Please don't feed this troll, even if the post you
> are reading is reasonable.
>
> The reason this mentally ill vermin hangs around is that
> he/she/it is constantly being fed by the Alt Magick Cult
> (described below) because he pretends to believe that
> they are the advanced magickians they are pretending to
> be.
>
> 2. There's a little cult of academics/bookworms here
> pretending to be advanced magickians.
>
> These people form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Cult):
>
> Cat Yronwode
> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
> Joseph Littlefoot
> Rick
> Asiya
>
> They think they own this group.
>
> Not one of them can use what *they* call "magick" to
> do anything at all.
>
> What they can do is play the role and parrot material
> from books they've read that they _think_ are about magick
> because the authors of those books _say_ they are about
> magick.
>
> Cat Yronwode and Nagasiva Yronwode/Tyaginator have a little
> web business where they sell items that are alleged to have
> magickal properties.
>
> Me? I am a novice magickian that wasted a lot of years
> listening to charlatans like the members of the Alt Magick
> Cult.
>
> Then I ran into some REAL magickians and am finally
> getting somewhere.
>
> See this article for a distillation of what I am learning
> and some useful references:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6hyoy
>

"Charlatan" above is not the right word. It implies some
sort of malicious intent from the outset and I don't believe
that is the case.

My apologies.

However, these people have attacked anyone who has asked them to
provide evidence supporting their claims and have resorted to
malicious misquoting in the process, which is as low as you can
get on the Usenet. I can easily prove that.

When the attacks have failed to drive their critics away, they
have killfiled them, which is an act of pure bigotry.

Like I said: CULT WARNING

<+>

--

Bells Ring Under Cerulean Ecstasy

http://tinyurl.com/6hyoy

From:	Joseph Littleshoes
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:58:33 GMT

Alexander Mulligan wrote:

> Welcome to alt.magick.
>
> Here are the most important

> people who form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Club):
>
> Cat Yronwode
> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
> Joseph Littlefoot

If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.
--
JL

> Rick
> Asiya
>
> They own this group.
> one of them can use "magick" to
> do anything.
>
> What they do is think about magick
> because they are about
> magick.
>
> Cat Yronwode and Nagasiva Yronwode/Tyaginator have a little
> web business where they sell items that are alleged to have
> magickal properties.
>
> Me? I am an idiot that wasted a lot of years
> listening to myself prattle on about things i obviously have no
> experiance with or knowledge of while trying to form my own Alt Magick
> Cult.
>
> Then I ran into some REAL magickians and am finally
> getting nearer being able to kiss my own ass.

> <+>

> --

> Bells Ring Under Cerulean Ecstasy

From:	Rainey
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:29:43 -0600

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.
>
Talking to yourself now?
Clever.

From:	Asiya
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:08:34 GMT

"Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
news:41E04AF2.ADD6B692@pacbell.net...
> Alexander Mulligan wrote:
>
>> Welcome to alt.magick.
>>
>> Here are the most important
>
>> people who form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Club):
>>
>> Cat Yronwode
>> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
>> Joseph Littlefoot
>
> If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.

ha! I thought you objected to the use of the word "worship" in this kind
of context. At least you complained loudly when it was used like that in
alt.tarot.

--
Asiya
**********
http://www.asiya.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/asiya/

From:	Joseph Littleshoes
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:07:53 GMT

Asiya wrote:

> "Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
> news:41E04AF2.ADD6B692@pacbell.net...
> > Alexander Mulligan wrote:
> >
> >> Welcome to alt.magick.
> >>
> >> Here are the most important
> >
> >> people who form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Club):
> >>
> >> Cat Yronwode
> >> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
> >> Joseph Littlefoot
> >
> > If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.
>
> ha! I thought you objected to the use of the word "worship" in this
> kind
> of context. At least you complained loudly when it was used like that
> in
> alt.tarot.
>
> --
> Asiya

Oh come on, you were there, when its a steady diet, when ANY comment is
either "worship" or "stalking" it is something to voice a critic of,
in this case your just looking for an excuse to voice your own
frustration with our semi divine wisdom which you have always been ready
to show your jealousy of:)
--
JL

From:	Asiya
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:43:27 GMT

"Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
news:41E19EA5.49209270@pacbell.net...
> Asiya wrote:
>> "Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
>> news:41E04AF2.ADD6B692@pacbell.net...
>> > Alexander Mulligan wrote:
>> >
>> >> Welcome to alt.magick.
>> >>
>> >> Here are the most important
>> >
>> >> people who form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Club):
>> >>
>> >> Cat Yronwode
>> >> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
>> >> Joseph Littlefoot
>> >
>> > If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.
>>
>> ha! I thought you objected to the use of the word "worship" in this
>> kind
>> of context. At least you complained loudly when it was used like that
>> in
>> alt.tarot.
>
> Oh come on, you were there, when its a steady diet, when ANY comment
> is
> either "worship" or "stalking"

It's not ANY comment, it's the quality and quantity of comments. And you
know this, because you used "worship" in the proper alt.tarot context.

> it is something to voice a critic of,
> in this case your just looking for an excuse to voice your own
> frustration with our semi divine wisdom which you have always been
> ready
> to show your jealousy of:)

Blah. Bruce included me alongside you in the "Alt Magick Club", whatever
that is.

--
Asiya
**********
http://www.asiya.org/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/asiya/

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:02:23 GMT

In article <3IJEd.15732$iC4.4628@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>
Asiya wrote:
>
>"Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
>news:41E19EA5.49209270@pacbell.net...
>> Asiya wrote:
>>> "Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
>>> news:41E04AF2.ADD6B692@pacbell.net...
>>> > Alexander Mulligan wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Welcome to alt.magick.
>>> >>
>>> >> Here are the most important
>>> >
>>> >> people who form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Club):
>>> >>
>>> >> Cat Yronwode
>>> >> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
>>> >> Joseph Littlefoot
>>> >
>>> > If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.
>>>
>>> ha! I thought you objected to the use of the word "worship" in this
>>> kind
>>> of context. At least you complained loudly when it was used like that
>>> in
>>> alt.tarot.
>>
>> Oh come on, you were there, when its a steady diet, when ANY comment
>> is
>> either "worship" or "stalking"
>
>It's not ANY comment, it's the quality and quantity of comments. And you
>know this, because you used "worship" in the proper alt.tarot context.

Please examine my post to me where your here is one of it oldest
institutions.

>> it is something to voice a critic of,
>> in this case your just looking for an excuse to voice your own
>> frustration with our semi divine wisdom which you have always been
>> ready
>> to show your jealousy of:)
>
>Blah. Bruce included me alongside you in the "Alt Magick Club", whatever
>that is.

Not by much.

--
Lady Chatterly

"How can a bot be a tranny, dumbass?" -- Peter Hood

From:	Joseph Littleshoes
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:10:28 GMT

Asiya wrote:

> "Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
> news:41E19EA5.49209270@pacbell.net...
> > Asiya wrote:
> >> "Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
> >> news:41E04AF2.ADD6B692@pacbell.net...
> >> > Alexander Mulligan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Welcome to alt.magick.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here are the most important
> >> >
> >> >> people who form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Club):
> >> >>
> >> >> Cat Yronwode
> >> >> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
> >> >> Joseph Littlefoot
> >> >
> >> > If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.
> >>
> >> ha! I thought you objected to the use of the word "worship" in this
>
> >> kind
> >> of context. At least you complained loudly when it was used like
> that
> >> in
> >> alt.tarot.
> >
> > Oh come on, you were there, when its a steady diet, when ANY comment
>
> > is
> > either "worship" or "stalking"
>
> It's not ANY comment, it's the quality and quantity of comments. And
> you
> know this, because you used "worship" in the proper alt.tarot context.

But this is not Alt.Tarot and you know perfectly well that if any one
innocently repsonded to karlins baiting they were accused of either
"worship" or "stalking" depending on his mode du jour.

>
>
> > it is something to voice a critic of,
> > in this case your just looking for an excuse to voice your own
> > frustration with our semi divine wisdom which you have always been
> > ready
> > to show your jealousy of:)
>
> Blah. Bruce included me alongside you in the "Alt Magick Club",
> whatever
> that is.

Note obligatory smiley face. It was a joke "Asyia" no more meant to be
taken seriously "in context" than the entire post, where in i instruct
the mulligan in the proper art of kissing his own ass, perhaps you need
a refresher course in that fine old art.
__
JL

From:	Tom
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:00:02 GMT

"Joseph Littleshoes" wrote in message
news:41E04AF2.ADD6B692@pacbell.net...
>
> If your going to worship us at least spell our name right.

Heh. Look who's complaining about misspellings.

From:	generic example
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:37:51 -0600

In article <34at3uF3uusbaU1@individual.net>,
Alexander Mulligan wrote:

> Welcome to alt.magick.

But this isn't alt.magick. If this is suppose to be about alt.magick,
why are you cross posting to other inappropriate groups?

From:	Nocturne_Necromancy
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:39:55 -0700

thanks for the info. the web site you referred me to is the
understanding i have about magick, you change reality through your
perceptions or what you believe or feel is real. most people are to
shallow to understand this basic principle. any way i have been
getting into taoism lately, my interpretation of it so far is that it
is a way of living in the moment with complete sense of contentment.
this would allow for the spontaneity
of the universe to bloom like a flower in your reality. or in other
words, life would be like a fun ride. share some of your incites
>Welcome to alt.magick.
>
>Here are the most important things to know about the group:
>
>1. Most of the posts here come from a troll with dozens
> of aliases. Too many to list and they change all the
> time. You'll soon be able to pick them out.
>
> Please don't feed this troll, even if the post you
> are reading is reasonable.
>
> The reason this mentally ill vermin hangs around is that
> he/she/it is constantly being fed by the Alt Magick Cult
> (described below) because he pretends to believe that
> they are the advanced magickians they are pretending to
> be.
>
>2. There's a little cult of academics/bookworms here
> pretending to be advanced magickians.
>
>These people form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Cult):
>
> Cat Yronwode
> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
> Joseph Littlefoot
> Rick
> Asiya
>
>They think they own this group.
>
>Not one of them can use what *they* call "magick" to
>do anything at all.
>
>What they can do is play the role and parrot material
>from books they've read that they _think_ are about magick
>because the authors of those books _say_ they are about
>magick.
>
>Cat Yronwode and Nagasiva Yronwode/Tyaginator have a little
>web business where they sell items that are alleged to have
>magickal properties.
>
>Me? I am a novice magickian that wasted a lot of years
>listening to charlatans like the members of the Alt Magick
>Cult.
>
>Then I ran into some REAL magickians and am finally
>getting somewhere.
>
>See this article for a distillation of what I am learning
>and some useful references:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6hyoy
>
>
><+>

From:	Lush
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:39:11 +1100

Dude, her name is BITCHFACE, not Cat. Get it right.

And her website specialises in giving out PI.

--

Lush

"I like the pants around your feet
I like the dirt that's on your knees
I like the way you still say please
When you're looking up at me
You're like my favourite damn disease"
"Alexander Mulligan" wrote in message
news:34at3uF3uusbaU1@individual.net...
> Welcome to alt.magick.
>
> Here are the most important things to know about the group:
>
> 1. Most of the posts here come from a troll with dozens
> of aliases. Too many to list and they change all the
> time. You'll soon be able to pick them out.
>
> Please don't feed this troll, even if the post you
> are reading is reasonable.
>
> The reason this mentally ill vermin hangs around is that
> he/she/it is constantly being fed by the Alt Magick Cult
> (described below) because he pretends to believe that
> they are the advanced magickians they are pretending to
> be.
>
> 2. There's a little cult of academics/bookworms here
> pretending to be advanced magickians.
>
> These people form the core of the AMC (Alt Magick Cult):
>
> Cat Yronwode
> Nagasiva/Tyaginator (Cat's husband)
> Joseph Littlefoot
> Rick
> Asiya
>
> They think they own this group.
>
> Not one of them can use what *they* call "magick" to
> do anything at all.
>
> What they can do is play the role and parrot material
> from books they've read that they _think_ are about magick
> because the authors of those books _say_ they are about
> magick.
>
> Cat Yronwode and Nagasiva Yronwode/Tyaginator have a little
> web business where they sell items that are alleged to have
> magickal properties.
>
> Me? I am a novice magickian that wasted a lot of years
> listening to charlatans like the members of the Alt Magick
> Cult.
>
> Then I ran into some REAL magickians and am finally
> getting somewhere.
>
> See this article for a distillation of what I am learning
> and some useful references:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6hyoy
>
>
> <+>
>
> --
> Bells Ring Under Cerulean Ecstasy
>

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Welcome To Alt Magick
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:47:53 GMT

In article <41e25e66%a239a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Lush wrote:
>
>Dude, her name is BITCHFACE, not Cat. Get it right.
>
>And her website specialises in giving out PI.

Like you do their thang, and women in ohio.

--
Lady Chatterly

"It is a bot, but manually operated." -- Kenneth R Pangborn