In support of the idea of creating one's reality and that the horoscope
makes
sense from the holographic view, I here present an excerpt from the
Holographic
Universe by Michael Talbot.

In order for the horoscope to be a reflection to the senses of another
aspect
that is not necessarily physical, we must acknowledge the current
theories of
reality being IMPLICATE and enfolded. In other words as in experiments
where
photons were shown to act as if they were connected even though no
physical
connection could be made, (Alain Aspect, Jean Dalibard, Gerard Roger of
University of paris -Optics) this aspect known as a "nonlocal"
implication
reveals all particles are continually interacting and separating so
that this
evidence of the interconnectedness of "All That Is" "the nonlocal
aspects of
quantum systems is therefore a general property of nature."(Paul Davis,
"Superforce", New York, 1984, page 48).

This nonlocal aspect reflects the idea that although physically
untestable
(which by the way MANY theories still are and may be for many
years-such as
superstring theories etc.) are never- the-less supported by these
studies with
some evidence of the interconnectedness of the universe. This just
makes sense
to me intuitively and I am quite sure it will not be long when science
will
validate what astrologers have known for a long time. That our
consciousness is
reflected in and is a part of the surrounding cosmos. As above so
below.

The main architects of this astonishing idea are two of the world's
most eminent thinkers: University of London physicist David Bohm,
a protege of Einstein's and one of the world's most respected quantum
physicists; and Karl Pribram, a neurophysiologist at Stanford Univer-
sity and author of the classic neuropsychological textbook Languages
of the Brain.

Pribram and Bohm Together
Considered together, Bohm and Pribram's theories provide a profound
new way of looking at the world: Our brains mathematically con-
struct objective reality by interpreting frequencies that are ulti-
mately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of exis-
tence that is beyond both space and time: The brain is a hologram
enfolded in a holographic universe.
For Pribram, this synthesis made him realize that the objective
world does not exist, at least not in the way we are accustomed to
believing. What is "out there" is a vast ocean of waves and frequen-
cies, and reality looks concrete to us only because our brains are able
to take this holographic blur and convert it into the sticks and stones
and
other familiar objects that make up our world. How is the brain (which
itself
is composed of frequencies of matter) able to take
something as insubstantial as a blur of frequencies and make it seem
solid to the touch? "The kind of mathematical process that Bekesy
simulated with his vibrators is basic to how our brains construct our
image of a world out there," Pribram states.' In other words, the
smoothness of a piece of fine china and the feel of beach sand be-
neath our feet are really just elaborate versions of the phantom limb
syndrome.
According to Pribram this does not mean there aren't china cups and
grains of beach sand out there. It simply means that a china cup has
two very different aspects to its reality. When it is filtered through
the lens
of our brain it manifests as a cup. But if we could get rid of our
lenses, we'd
experience it as an interference pattern. Which one is real and which
is
illusion? "Both are real to me," says Pribram, "or, if you want to say,
neither
of them are real." a This state of affairs is not limited to china
cups. We,
too, have two very different aspects to our reality. We can view
ourselves as
physical bodies moving through space. Or we can view ourselves as a
blur of
interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram.
Bohm believes this second point of view might even be the more
correct, for to think of ourselves as a holographic mind/brain looking
at a holographic universe is again an abstraction, an attempt to sepa-
rate two things that ultimately cannot be separated.
Do not be troubled if this is difficult to grasp. It is relatively easy
to
understand the idea of holism in something that is external to us, like
an
apple in a hologram. What makes it difficult is that in this case we
are not
looking at the hologram. We are part of the hologram.
The difficulty is also another indication of how radical a revision
Bohm and Pribram are trying to make in our way of thinking. But it
is not the only radical revision. Pribram's assertion that our brains
construct objects pales beside another of Bohm's conclusions: that we
even construct space and time. The implications of this view are
just one of the subjects that will be examined as we explore the effect
Bohm and Pribram's ideas have had on the work of researchers in other
fields.

Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(c) 2005 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm

From:	Dan Baldwin
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:31:40 -0800

Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>
> We create our reality utterly as the product of what we believe or have
> been taught to believe is "true."

And you'll be proving this meaningless assertion ... when? And if your
correct, then why do you believe that you are deserving of all the scorn
heaped upon you?

After all, it stands to reason that if you create your own reality
utterly, then you yourself created all the people calling you out for
the specious, bilious prick you are.

--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*

I am a minion of Satan, but my powers are mainly administrative.

Hail the un-alive

From:	Cujo DeSockpuppet
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:04:42 +0000 (UTC)

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote in
news:1106184906.508453.247870@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> In support of the sccred Ed steals from others Ed will screed more.

Fixed.

From:	Edmond Wollmann is a Convicted Criminal
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:58:02 -0800

Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> In support of the idea of creating one's reality

you fail to make yours any better, after trying for FIFTY-FIVE FUCKING
YEARS NOW!

From:	Edmond Wollmann
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	20 Jan 2005 10:17:56 -0800

Beep wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2005 17:35:06 -0800, "Edmond Wollmann"
> wrote:
>
> >In support of the idea of creating one's reality and that the
horoscope
> >makes
> >sense from the holographic view, I here present an excerpt from the
> >Holographic
> >Universe by Michael Talbot.
> >
> >
> >In order for the horoscope to be a reflection to the senses of
another
> >aspect
> >that is not necessarily physical, we must acknowledge the current
> >theories of
> >reality being IMPLICATE and enfolded. In other words as in
experiments
> >where
> >photons were shown to act as if they were connected even though no
> >physical
> >connection could be made, (Alain Aspect, Jean Dalibard, Gerard Roger
of
> >University of paris -Optics) this aspect known as a "nonlocal"
> >implication
> >reveals all particles are continually interacting and separating so
> >that this
> >evidence of the interconnectedness of "All That Is" "the nonlocal
> >aspects of
> >quantum systems is therefore a general property of nature."(Paul
Davis,
> >"Superforce", New York, 1984, page 48).
> >
> >
> >This nonlocal aspect reflects the idea that although physically
> >untestable
> >(which by the way MANY theories still are and may be for many
> >years-such as
> >superstring theories etc.) are never- the-less supported by these
> >studies with
> >some evidence of the interconnectedness of the universe. This just
> >makes sense
> >to me intuitively and I am quite sure it will not be long when
science
> >will
> >validate what astrologers have known for a long time. That our
> >consciousness is
> >reflected in and is a part of the surrounding cosmos. As above so
> >below.
> >
> >
> >The main architects of this astonishing idea are two of the world's
> >most eminent thinkers: University of London physicist David Bohm,
> >a protege of Einstein's and one of the world's most respected
quantum
> >physicists; and Karl Pribram, a neurophysiologist at Stanford
Univer-
> >sity and author of the classic neuropsychological textbook Languages
> >of the Brain.
> >
> >
> >Pribram and Bohm Together
> >Considered together, Bohm and Pribram's theories provide a profound
> >new way of looking at the world: Our brains mathematically con-
> >struct objective reality by interpreting frequencies that are ulti-
> >mately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of exis-
> >tence that is beyond both space and time: The brain is a hologram
> >enfolded in a holographic universe.
> >For Pribram, this synthesis made him realize that the objective
> >world does not exist, at least not in the way we are accustomed to
> >believing. What is "out there" is a vast ocean of waves and frequen-
> >cies, and reality looks concrete to us only because our brains are
able
> >to take this holographic blur and convert it into the sticks and
stones
> >and
> >other familiar objects that make up our world. How is the brain
(which
> >itself
> >is composed of frequencies of matter) able to take
> >something as insubstantial as a blur of frequencies and make it seem
> >solid to the touch? "The kind of mathematical process that Bekesy
> >simulated with his vibrators is basic to how our brains construct
our
> >image of a world out there," Pribram states.' In other words, the
> >smoothness of a piece of fine china and the feel of beach sand be-
> >neath our feet are really just elaborate versions of the phantom
limb
> >syndrome.
> >According to Pribram this does not mean there aren't china cups and
> >grains of beach sand out there. It simply means that a china cup has
> >two very different aspects to its reality. When it is filtered
through
> >the lens
> >of our brain it manifests as a cup. But if we could get rid of our
> >lenses, we'd
> >experience it as an interference pattern. Which one is real and
which
> >is
> >illusion? "Both are real to me," says Pribram, "or, if you want to
say,
> >neither
> >of them are real." a This state of affairs is not limited to china
> >cups. We,
> >too, have two very different aspects to our reality. We can view
> >ourselves as
> >physical bodies moving through space. Or we can view ourselves as a
> >blur of
> >interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram.
> >Bohm believes this second point of view might even be the more
> >correct, for to think of ourselves as a holographic mind/brain
looking
> >at a holographic universe is again an abstraction, an attempt to
sepa-
> >rate two things that ultimately cannot be separated.
> >Do not be troubled if this is difficult to grasp. It is relatively
easy
> >to
> >understand the idea of holism in something that is external to us,
like
> >an
> >apple in a hologram. What makes it difficult is that in this case we
> >are not
> >looking at the hologram. We are part of the hologram.
> >The difficulty is also another indication of how radical a revision
> >Bohm and Pribram are trying to make in our way of thinking. But it
> >is not the only radical revision. Pribram's assertion that our
brains
> >construct objects pales beside another of Bohm's conclusions: that
we
> >even construct space and time. The implications of this view are
> >just one of the subjects that will be examined as we explore the
effect
> >Bohm and Pribram's ideas have had on the work of researchers in
other
> >fields.
> >
>
> I wish I knew any physics and could discuss this intelligently...
>
> got a short sentences, small words version? :)

We create our reality utterly as the product of what we believe or have
been taught to believe is "true."

Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
=A9 2005 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
http://www.e-wollmann.com/pleiadian1/

From:	Cujo DeSockpuppet
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:30:46 +0000 (UTC)

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote in
news:1106245076.908078.154880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> We create our reality utterly as the product of what we believe or have
> been taught to believe is "true."

Who taught you that you will sue me, fuckwad?

Your .sig is also off topic for AAMeta, dipshit.

From:	Edmond Wollmann is a Convicted Criminal
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:49:43 -0800

Edmond Wollmann wrote:

> Beep wrote:
>
>>
>>I wish I knew any physics and could discuss this intelligently...
>>
>>got a short sentences, small words version? :)
>
>
> We create our reality utterly as the product of what we believe or have
> been taught to believe is "true."

Why did you choose to create a reality in which "spinics" laugh at your
kookery?

From:	Bob Officer
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:10:21 -0800

On 20 Jan 2005 10:17:56 -0800, in alt.astrology, "Edmond Wollmann"
wrote:

>
>Beep wrote:

>>
>> I wish I knew any physics and could discuss this intelligently...
>>
>> got a short sentences, small words version? :)
>
>We create our reality utterly as the product of what we believe or have
>been taught to believe is "true."

However you claim reality is created by belief.

You believe you are qualified to offer and provide psychological based
counsel.

When I check the California Psych Boards web site. I see you are not listed
as a licensed "psychologist"

When I checked with California's department of consumer's affairs, I don't
see you registered as a licensed or certified Counselor of any type. {Ergo
you are not lawfully able to offer or provide "counsel of any type" either
for fee or free.}

So it seems, no matter what you believe, the evidence doesn't support your
claim. It appears you [nor anyone else] creates reality by belief.

>Edmo

--
Ak'toh'di

From:
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From:	John Griffin
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	20 Jan 2005 11:14:39 GMT

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote:

> In support of the idea of creating one's reality and that the horoscope
> makes
> sense from the holographic view, I here present an excerpt from the
> Holographic
> Universe by Michael Talbot.

Why? You obviously have no idea what he said.

Besides that, he's a superstitious weenie:

>yapyapyapyapyap I am quite sure it will not be long when science
> will
> validate what astrologers have known for a long time. That our
> consciousness is
> reflected in and is a part of the surrounding cosmos. As above so
> below.

That's hilarious.

Science has known for a long time that naked speculation is just naked
speculation until someone comes up with some supporting evidence, fool.

From:	Beep
Subject:	Re: Holographics and Astrology
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:54:38 -0800

On 19 Jan 2005 17:35:06 -0800, "Edmond Wollmann"
wrote:

>In support of the idea of creating one's reality and that the horoscope
>makes
>sense from the holographic view, I here present an excerpt from the
>Holographic
>Universe by Michael Talbot.
>
>
>In order for the horoscope to be a reflection to the senses of another
>aspect
>that is not necessarily physical, we must acknowledge the current
>theories of
>reality being IMPLICATE and enfolded. In other words as in experiments
>where
>photons were shown to act as if they were connected even though no
>physical
>connection could be made, (Alain Aspect, Jean Dalibard, Gerard Roger of
>University of paris -Optics) this aspect known as a "nonlocal"
>implication
>reveals all particles are continually interacting and separating so
>that this
>evidence of the interconnectedness of "All That Is" "the nonlocal
>aspects of
>quantum systems is therefore a general property of nature."(Paul Davis,
>"Superforce", New York, 1984, page 48).
>
>
>This nonlocal aspect reflects the idea that although physically
>untestable
>(which by the way MANY theories still are and may be for many
>years-such as
>superstring theories etc.) are never- the-less supported by these
>studies with
>some evidence of the interconnectedness of the universe. This just
>makes sense
>to me intuitively and I am quite sure it will not be long when science
>will
>validate what astrologers have known for a long time. That our
>consciousness is
>reflected in and is a part of the surrounding cosmos. As above so
>below.
>
>
>The main architects of this astonishing idea are two of the world's
>most eminent thinkers: University of London physicist David Bohm,
>a protege of Einstein's and one of the world's most respected quantum
>physicists; and Karl Pribram, a neurophysiologist at Stanford Univer-
>sity and author of the classic neuropsychological textbook Languages
>of the Brain.
>
>
>Pribram and Bohm Together
>Considered together, Bohm and Pribram's theories provide a profound
>new way of looking at the world: Our brains mathematically con-
>struct objective reality by interpreting frequencies that are ulti-
>mately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of exis-
>tence that is beyond both space and time: The brain is a hologram
>enfolded in a holographic universe.
>For Pribram, this synthesis made him realize that the objective
>world does not exist, at least not in the way we are accustomed to
>believing. What is "out there" is a vast ocean of waves and frequen-
>cies, and reality looks concrete to us only because our brains are able
>to take this holographic blur and convert it into the sticks and stones
>and
>other familiar objects that make up our world. How is the brain (which
>itself
>is composed of frequencies of matter) able to take
>something as insubstantial as a blur of frequencies and make it seem
>solid to the touch? "The kind of mathematical process that Bekesy
>simulated with his vibrators is basic to how our brains construct our
>image of a world out there," Pribram states.' In other words, the
>smoothness of a piece of fine china and the feel of beach sand be-
>neath our feet are really just elaborate versions of the phantom limb
>syndrome.
>According to Pribram this does not mean there aren't china cups and
>grains of beach sand out there. It simply means that a china cup has
>two very different aspects to its reality. When it is filtered through
>the lens
>of our brain it manifests as a cup. But if we could get rid of our
>lenses, we'd
>experience it as an interference pattern. Which one is real and which
>is
>illusion? "Both are real to me," says Pribram, "or, if you want to say,
>neither
>of them are real." a This state of affairs is not limited to china
>cups. We,
>too, have two very different aspects to our reality. We can view
>ourselves as
>physical bodies moving through space. Or we can view ourselves as a
>blur of
>interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram.
>Bohm believes this second point of view might even be the more
>correct, for to think of ourselves as a holographic mind/brain looking
>at a holographic universe is again an abstraction, an attempt to sepa-
>rate two things that ultimately cannot be separated.
>Do not be troubled if this is difficult to grasp. It is relatively easy
>to
>understand the idea of holism in something that is external to us, like
>an
>apple in a hologram. What makes it difficult is that in this case we
>are not
>looking at the hologram. We are part of the hologram.
>The difficulty is also another indication of how radical a revision
>Bohm and Pribram are trying to make in our way of thinking. But it
>is not the only radical revision. Pribram's assertion that our brains
>construct objects pales beside another of Bohm's conclusions: that we
>even construct space and time. The implications of this view are
>just one of the subjects that will be examined as we explore the effect
>Bohm and Pribram's ideas have had on the work of researchers in other
>fields.
>

I wish I knew any physics and could discuss this intelligently...

got a short sentences, small words version? :)

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