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Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings

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PATONG, Thailand: A second surge of tsunami terror is hitting southern
Thailand, but this time it is a wave of foreign ghosts terrifying
locals in what health experts described as an outpouring of delayed
mass trauma.

Tales of ghost sightings in the six worst-hit southern provinces have
become endemic, with many locals saying they are too terrified to
venture near the beach or into the ocean.

Spooked volunteer body searchers on the resort areas of Phi Phi Island
and Khao Lak are reported to have looked for tourists heard laughing
and singing on the beach only to find darkness and empty sand.

Taxi drivers in Patong swear they have picked up a foreign man and his
Thai girlfriend going to the airport with all their baggage, only to
then look in the rear-view mirror and find an empty seat.

Guards at a beachfront plaza in Patong said one of their men had quit
after hearing a foreign woman cry "help me" all night long, and
similar stories abound of a foreign ghost walking along the shoreline
at night calling for her child.

The majority of Thais are suspicious, believing ghosts live in most
large trees and keeping a spirit house in every home where daily
offerings of food and drink are given to calm nearby paranormal
entities.

Mental-health experts warn that tsunami survivors have picked up on
this cultural factor as a way of expressing mass trauma after living
through the deadly waves and witnessing horrific scenes in their
aftermath.

"This is a type of mass hallucination that is a cue to the trauma
being suffered by people who are missing so many dead people, and
seeing so many dead people, and only talking about dead people," the
Thai psychologist and media commentator, Wallop Piyamanotham, said.

He said people who claimed to have seen ghosts firsthand were people
that mental health specialists would be paying particular attention
to.

Wallop is organizing a team of Thai and international health workers
to join other specialists in affected provinces who are helping people
suffering psychological trauma as a result of the crisis.

Amateurs and professionals alike have been pivotal in the recovery of
thousands of corpses from beaches and coastal towns ravaged by
tsunamis on December 26, and in the subsequent processing of handling
bloated and rapidly decomposing bodies at huge makeshift morgues.

Their round-the-clock work could be taking a devastating toll, with at
least seven workers having already been hospitalized suffering extreme
trauma.

Volunteers helping at Thai temples, transformed into scenes of grisly
death as forensic experts struggle with the task of identification,
are especially vulnerable, psychologists and doctors said.

Wallop said widespread trauma began to set in about four days after
the waves hit.

"This is when people start seeing these farangs [foreigners] walking
on the sand or in the ocean," he said, adding the sightings started
about the same time as people "began calling for help, crying, some
scared."

Many people said they could not escape the smell of death or the
sights they had seen while assisting in the crisis, he said.

Wallop said the reason almost all ghost sightings appear to involve
foreign tourists stems from a belief that spirits can only be put to
rest by relatives at the scene, such as was done to many Thai victims.

"Thai people believe that when people die, a relative has to cremate
them or bless them. If this is not done or the body is not found,
people believe the person will appear over and over again to show
where they are," he said.

Wallop said in time people who need counseling would be reached and
assisted and the sightings would settle down, but many locals claimed
they would not be swayed by such talk.

"After visiting Wat Baan Muang [a temple where hundreds of bodies
are still stored] I'm very scared. I can't sleep at night and when
the wind comes I'm sure it is the spirits coming," said Napa
Phroyrung=ADthong, a Patong bar manager.

"I believe in ghosts and I always will. [The tsunami] happened so
quickly, the foreigners didn't know what happened and they all think
they are still on the beach. They all think they are still on
holiday," she said.

From:	Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:32:39 -0900

On 20 Jan 2005 09:41:23 -0800, stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote in
alt.fan.art-bell in message
<1106242883.657075.320400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

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From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	21 Jan 2005 21:20:06 -0800

> Aren't they muslim in that area?

Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.
Happy New Year Susan!

From:
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:16:21 -0500

Southern Thailand is markedly Muslim

wrote in message
news:1106371206.568089.202320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Aren't they muslim in that area?
>
> Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.
> Happy New Year Susan!
>

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	22 Jan 2005 14:52:25 -0800

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
> The majority of Thais are suspicious, believing ghosts live in most
> large trees and keeping a spirit house in every home where daily
> offerings of food and drink are given to calm nearby paranormal
> entities.
>
> .....
>
> "Thai people believe that when people die, a relative has to cremate
> them or bless them. If this is not done or the body is not found,
> people believe the person will appear over and over again to show
> where they are," he said.
>
> .....
>
> "After visiting Wat Baan Muang [a temple where hundreds of bodies
> are still stored] I'm very scared. I can't sleep at night and when
> the wind comes I'm sure it is the spirits coming," said Napa
> Phroyrung=ADthong, a Patong bar manager.

> These things don't sound Muslim to me.

This is from the World Book Encyclopedia

Religion. About 95 percent of the Thai people are Buddhists. Generally,
Buddhists believe that people can obtain perfect peace and happiness by
freeing themselves from worldly desires. Most Thai people follow the
Theravada (Way of the Elders) tradition, an ancient form of Buddhism
that emphasizes the virtues of monastic life. According to custom, many
Thai men become monks for at least a short period, from about one week
to several months. They wear yellow robes and lead lives of poverty,
meditation, and study.

Most Chinese in Thailand follow Confucianism in addition to practicing
other religions. The majority of Thailand's Malays are Muslims.
Hinduism is the main religion among Indians in Thailand. Only about 1
percent of the nation's people are Christians.
So some people are Muslim, as you said.

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	21 Jan 2005 18:01:18 -0800

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:
> On 20 Jan 2005 09:41:23 -0800, stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote in
> alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <1106242883.657075.320400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >MANILA TIMES
>
> I have a box of their envelopes at work. They're really nice.

Yes, but not so good for origami.

Susan

> --
> V.G.
>
> Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
> "Bush things is he never attends a Funderal - He will live forever!"
- Donnieboi Ferrt explains... something.
>
> Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	21 Jan 2005 18:53:53 -0800

Lady Chatterly wrote:
> Susan Cohen wrote:
> >
> >Yes, but not so good for origami.
>
> Are you certain?

Positively.

Susan

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 2:22:09 GMT

In article <1106359278.506216.60830@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Susan Cohen wrote:
>
>Yes, but not so good for origami.

Are you certain?

--
Lady Chatterly

"Hey! Didn't realise you post on Michael Jackson's discussion group,
too!!!! Wow! At lease that site has 1500 posts compaired to about 198
or so , here!" -- Judy

From:	gigo448 at netscape.net
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	20 Jan 2005 13:37:38 -0800

Find out for yourselves about MOON, don't believe somebody
who promotes MOON, they are biased, and vindictive as HELL!!!

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html

http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/

http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/

http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/f-1a.html

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/u05.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zeroes/Sun_Myung_Moon.html

http://www.catch.com/comments/34140_0_17_0_M
http://www.rickross.com/groups/moonie.html
***

From:	ArtBell's Number1Fan
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:39:42 -0500

Is Moon the guy that supposedly had all those orgies?

Wormhole

From:	Josef Oswald
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:23:38 GMT

Earth-Date: 2005-01-20
in MSG-id: <1106257058.620920.271350@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
the entity previously known as Bruce/Bontifarce gigo448@netscape.net wrote:

> Find out for yourselves about MOON, don't believe somebody
> who promotes MOON, they are biased,

I *never* met one *anti-cultist* who was *NOT* biased either...

A great help might be links to the official teachings too,

>
The official teachings called Divine Principle for those who are
interested to read it for themselves can be found here:

http://www.unification.net/dp96/#Detailed_Table_of_Contents

http://www.unification.org/

http://www.unification.net/

http://www.tparents.org/

Another "gem" found:

From: gigo448@netscape.net
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
Subject: Re: Moon critic carries on conversation with Lady Chatterly a known Usenet-bot
Date: 19 Jan 2005 04:35:04 -0800
Message-ID: <1106138104.149943.56440@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>

> Sometimes I am one sick dude. Why should it matter to you?

The simple truth is, cause i'm not a bot, i'm only human.
I have feelings too! I can't afford the luxery of hiding in
a tin can, nor do i really want to.

Does that answer your question for you? Maybe you should come
out of your tin can, and brave the night air too! I'd like to
trade places with you for 10 days, not for me, but for you!
But i know that's not possible to do.

I hope you realize, i'm the one on the line here, not you!

> http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html
>
>
> http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/
>
>
> http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/f-1a.html
>
>
> http://www.apologeticsindex.org/u05.html
>
>
> http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zeroes/Sun_Myung_Moon.html
>
>
> http://www.catch.com/comments/34140_0_17_0_M
> http://www.rickross.com/groups/moonie.html
> ***
>

so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
Josef Oswald
Ooswald_josef@yahooO.com
Please don't Cc: me as I read the newsgroup :-)
--
The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert. Afterwards,
Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten ammendments.
Source: IJMC - Children's Bible Quotes'

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	22 Jan 2005 06:52:50 -0800

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Aren't they muslim in that area?
>
> Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.

Yes, I know Thais are mainly Buddhists but in the south on
the peninsula next to Malaysia they are muslims, aren't
they?

> Happy New Year Susan!

Thank you. The same to you.

Susan

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:25:09 GMT

In article <1106405569.991292.137590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
Susan Cohen wrote:
>
>Yes, I know Thais are mainly Buddhists but in the south on
>the peninsula next to Malaysia they are muslims, aren't
>they?

The traitors tend to 20 take fewer courses and spend less money for pi
's and other important items of evidence when it gets you off.

>Thank you. The same to you.

If any archives exist of the volunteer ministers are flying out today
from the magnificent seven, symphonic concert band, escape2g.

--
Lady Chatterly

"The Lady is an automatic program that spouts non-sense. She is a
chatter-bot." -- Don

From:	gigo448 at netscape.net
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	20 Jan 2005 17:12:41 -0800

gigo...@netscape.net Jan 20, 4:39 pm hide options

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From: gigo...@netscape.net - Find messages by this author
Date: 20 Jan 2005 16:39:28 -0800
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stevejduf...@yahoo.com wrote:

> What I was trying to say Bruce is if what you say is true and Rev.
Moon
> is going to unite all religions and create a one world theocracy by
> 2012 don't you think the critics of Scientology are kind of wasting
> their time doing what they are doing?

Nope, not really, cause *scientology* is built upon the
same precepts. They attack the appendages, while i attack
the head of the beast, of *cult* (POP) Religion infesting
this world, and making GOD-men, or a world of delusion
instead of reality.

Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking. It's not
based upon scriptures, nor reality. It's a Hoax, like
many of the other appendages of the beast.

Peace out

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 1:24:52 GMT

In article <1106269961.809324.286990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
>
>gigo...@netscape.net Jan 20, 4:39 pm hide options
>
>Newsgroups:
>talk.religion.bahai,alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.scientology,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.jewish

Flame awards, moronbeam.

>>From: gigo...@netscape.net - Find messages by this author
>>Date: 20 Jan 2005 16:39:28 -0800
>>Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 4:39 pm
>>Subject: Re: Beliefnet.com's Rules of Conduct
>>
>>stevejduf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> What I was trying to say Bruce is if what you say is true and Rev.
>Moon
>> is going to unite all religions and create a one world theocracy by
>> 2012 don't you think the critics of Scientology are kind of wasting
>> their time doing what they are doing?
>
>Nope, not really, cause *scientology* is built upon the
>same precepts. They attack the appendages, while i attack
>the head of the beast, of *cult* (POP) Religion infesting
>this world, and making GOD-men, or a world of delusion
>instead of reality.

There wasn 't.

>Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking. It's not
>based upon scriptures, nor reality. It's a Hoax, like
>many of the other appendages of the beast.

Peach, but this feminists does not support your claims in the 1950 S.

>Peace out

Peace reroute

--
Lady Chatterly

"The whole Lady Chatterly thing has been poetic justice." --
theoneflasehaddock

From:	Josef Oswald
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:02 GMT

Earth-Date: 2005-01-21
in MSG-id: <1106269961.809324.286990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
the entity previously known as Bruce/Bontifarce gigo448@netscape.net wrote:

> gigo...@netscape.net Jan 20, 4:39 pm hide options
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> Newsgroups:
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>
> From: gigo...@netscape.net - Find messages by this author
> Date: 20 Jan 2005 16:39:28 -0800
> Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 4:39 pm
> Subject: Re: Beliefnet.com's Rules of Conduct
>
> stevejduf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>> What I was trying to say Bruce is if what you say is true and Rev.
> Moon
>> is going to unite all religions and create a one world theocracy by
>> 2012 don't you think the critics of Scientology are kind of wasting
>> their time doing what they are doing?
>
>
> Nope, not really, cause *scientology* is built upon the
> same precepts. They attack the appendages, while i attack
> the head of the beast, of *cult* (POP) Religion infesting
> this world, and making GOD-men, or a world of delusion
> instead of reality.
>
> Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking.

Of course I can't speak for scientology, but Rev.Moon certainly does
not teach men can be gods...

What about one man Jesus is *he* God? You who in s.c.j. tell Jews that
you believe in Jesus.....

The funny thing is: it is *only* *anti-cultist* who claim that, making
people into Gods, while of course failing to *produce* supporting
evidence..

Well just for the record Rev.Moon doesn't teach people can be God's,
and also he most certainly affirms that Jesus was the *first* human who
was able to reach individual perfection, yet Jesus himself was/is not
God. In the same way Rev.Moon is also not *claiming* to be God.

for those who want to look up, here is the link to the *official* version
of the Divine Principle teachings.

http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-7.html#Sec2_3

2.3 Is Jesus God Himself?

When Philip asked Jesus to show him God, Jesus said, "He who has seen me
has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father?' Do you not
believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me?"12(John
14:9-10)RS|KJ|NI It is written of Jesus, "He was in the world, and the
world was made through him, yet the world knew him not."13(John
1:10)RS|KJ|NI Jesus also said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham
was, I am."14(John 8:58)RS|KJ|NI Based on these biblical verses, many
Christians have believed that Jesus is God, the Creator.

Jesus may well be called God because, as a man who has realized the purpose
of creation and who lives in oneness with God, he has a divine
nature. Nevertheless, he is not God Himself. The relationship between God
and Jesus may be thought of as analogous to the relationship between the
mind and body. Because the body is the substantial object partner to the
mind, resembles the mind and acts in oneness with the mind, it may be
understood to be the mind's second self; but it is not the mind itself. By
analogy, since Jesus is one with God and the incarnation of God, he may be
understood to be God's second self; but he is not God. It is true that he
who has seen Jesus may be said to have seen God,15(John 14:9-10)RS|KJ|NI
but Jesus did not mean by saying this that he was God Himself.

The Bible refers to Jesus as the Word made flesh.16(John 1:14)RS|KJ|NI This
verse means that Jesus is the incarnation of the Word; that is, a man in
whom the Word comes alive. We read that all things were made through the
Word, and further, that the world was made through Jesus.17(John 1:3,
10)RS|KJ|NI Hence, Jesus may be said to be the creator. To understand what
these verses mean, consider that the universe according to the Principle of
Creation is the substantial unfolding of the internal nature and external
form of a human being of perfected character. All the elements of the
universe are encapsulated in a fully mature person and resonate in harmony
around him. In this sense, it can be said that the universe is created
through a perfect human being. Furthermore, God intended that human beings
be the creators and lords of the natural world by endowing them with the
character and powers of the Creator; these are to be realized once they
reach perfection through the fulfillment of their responsibility. Seen from
this perspective, these verses are in agreement with our understanding of
Jesus as the man who has completed the purpose of creation; they do not
signify that Jesus is the Creator Himself.

Jesus also said, "Before Abraham was, I am."18(John 8:58)RS|KJ|NI Jesus was
the descendant of Abraham. Yet with respect to the providence of
restoration, Jesus is the ancestor of Abraham because, as the one to give
rebirth to all humankind, he came in the position of their first
ancestor. We should understand that Jesus did not mean by this saying that
he is God Himself. While on earth, Jesus was a man no different from any of
us except for the fact that he was without the original sin. Even in the
spirit world, where he has abided since his resurrection, Jesus lives as a
spirit, as do his disciples. The only difference between them is that Jesus
abides as a divine spirit, emitting brilliant rays of light, while his
disciples, as life spirits, reflect that light.

It is written that since his resurrection, Jesus has been interceding for
us before God19(Rom. 8:34)RS|KJ|NI as he did while he was on earth.20(Luke
23:34)RS|KJ|NI If Jesus were God, how could he intercede for us before
Himself? Moreover, Jesus called God "Father," thus acknowledging that he
was not God Himself.21(John 17:1)RS|KJ|NI If Jesus were God, how could He
be tempted by Satan, as Jesus was? We can conclude with finality that Jesus
was not God Himself from the words he uttered on the cross, "My God, my
God, why hast thou forsaken me?"22(Matt. 27:46)RS|KJ|NI

> Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking.
>It's not based upon scriptures,

You're of course right, if one take the Old Testament and the Koran as
our source:

http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_messiah3.htm

[.....]
B. MAN AS GOD?

Christians believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus
said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental
idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God
is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born,
and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small,
diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not
a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).

Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess
normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god,
and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is
alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the
Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)

[.....]

It's Christian Fundamentalist using the New Testament teaching OTOH who
insists *Jesus is GOD* .

http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html

Is Jesus Christ a man, or is he God?

Jesus Christ is most definitely God. He created Adam and Eve, the first man
and woman, in his image. He is the Creator of the universe. The Bible says,
"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has
been made" (John 1:3). This includes all the stars, all the original
animals and plants, and even the angels (Colossians 1:15-17).

It is important not be confused. God did not create Jesus. Jesus is God,
and he has always existed.

[.........]

> nor reality. It's a Hoax,

Again correct, it's a hoax propped up by anti-cultist, claiming that....

so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
Josef Oswald
Ooswald_josef@yahooO.com
Please don't Cc: me as I read the newsgroup :-)
--
_my_ all-time favorite:
The greatest miracle in the Bible is when Joshua told his son
to stand still and he obeyed him.
Source: IJMC - Children's Bible Quotes'

From:	DrPostman
Subject:	humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.? That's funny
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:02:50 GMT

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:02 GMT, Josef Oswald
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:

>God. In the same way Rev.Moon is also not *claiming* to be God.

Yea, right. Sure he isn't:

Source:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/21/moon/index_np.html?x

Hail to the Moon king
The deeply weird coronation of Rev. Sun Myung Moon in a Senate office
building -- crown, robes, the works -- is no longer one of
Washington's best-kept secrets.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By John Gorenfeld

June 21, 2004 | You probably imagine your congressman hard at work
in the Capitol debating legislation, making laws -- you know,
governing. But your newspaper probably didn't tell you that one night
in March, members of Congress hosted a crowning ritual for an
ex-convict and multibillionaire who dressed up in maroon robes and
declared himself the Second Coming.

On March 23, the Dirksen Senate Office Building was the scene of a
coronation ceremony for Rev. Sun Myung Moon, owner of the conservative
Washington Times newspaper and UPI wire service, who was given a
bejeweled crown by Rep. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill. Afterward, Moon told
his bipartisan audience of Washington power players he would save
everyone on Earth as he had saved the souls of Hitler and Stalin --
the murderous dictators had been born again through him, he said. In a
vision, Moon said the reformed Hitler and Stalin vouched for him,
calling him "none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning
Lord and True Parent."

To many observers, this bizarre scene would have looked like the
apocalypse as depicted in "Left Behind" novels. Moon, 84, the
benefactor of conservative foundations like the American Family
Coalition -- who served time in the 1980s for tax fraud and conspiracy
to obstruct justice -- has views somewhere to the right of the
Taliban's Mullah Omar. Moon preaches that s are "dung-eating dogs,"
Jews brought on the Holocaust by betraying Jesus, and the U.S.
Constitution should be scrapped in favor of a system he calls "Godism"
-- with him in charge. The man crowned "King of Peace" by congressmen
once said, according to sermons reprinted in his church's Unification
News: "Suppose I were to hit you with the baseball bat to stop you,
bloodying your ear and breaking a bone or two, yet still you insisted
on doing more work for Father."

What, exactly, drew at least a dozen members of Congress to Moon's
coronation? (By the Unification Church's estimate, 81 congressmen
attended, although that number is probably high.) The event was the
grand finale of Moon's coast-to-coast "tear down the cross"
Moonification tour, intended to remove Christian crosses from almost
300 churches in poor neighborhoods -- the idea being that the cross
was an obstacle to uniting religions under Moon. Yet the Dirksen
ceremony was sold as a celebration of world peace. According to a
cheery promotional video released by Moon's International and
Interreligious Federation for World Peace, the ceremony marked the
dawn of "the era of the Eternal Peace Kingdom, one global family under
God." Moon's coronation also cured God's pain, the announcer explains.

By all accounts, most of the congressmen in attendance didn't expect a
coronation. Instead, they thought they were heading to an awards
dinner honoring activists from their home states as "Ambassadors for
Peace." A flier for the event claimed an impressive who's-who of
organizers, including Republicans Sen. Lindsey Graham of South
Carolina, Rep. Roscoe Bartlett of Maryland and Charlie Black, a top
Republican strategist. Democrats were named, too, like Rep. Harold
Ford of Tennessee, who, incidentally, claims to have not even heard of
the event.

And then there was Rep. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill., the only congressman
who has publicly expressed pride in the crowning ceremony, who praised
Moon for bringing religious leaders together in his Ambassadors for
Peace tours to Jerusalem and beyond. Davis, it was revealed this week
in the Chicago Reader, took money from Moon-organized fund raisers,
who also gave to a charity of his choice. Davis told an Anglican
magazine that Moon's remarks were "similar to a baseball team owner
telling team members that 'we are the greatest team on earth'" to get
them fired up.

At the time, the surreal event went uncovered by the Washington press
corps, save for Moon's own Washington Times, which ran a brief
description of the festivities. The story is getting some traction
only now, after it was recently reported in the online magazine The
Gadflyer. But what transpired at Dirksen two months ago remains a
mystery to most Americans -- and those constituents of congressmen who
attended Moon's crowning.

The crowning ritual indeed began as a somewhat normal awards ceremony.
Ribbons that looked like Olympic gold medals were given to Rep.
Bartlett and others. But then it took an odd turn. Rep. Curt Weldon,
R-Pa., whose office maintained he did not attend the event until I
provided photographs of him there -- spoke beside a photograph of
himself pinning an American flag on Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy,
back when President Bush was praising him for abandoning WMD programs
and before he was suspected of trying to kill the leader of Saudi
Arabia.

Then, after Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., gave a speech praising one of
Moon's Ambassadors for Peace, the civil rights veteran Rev. Walter
Fauntroy, an unnamed Lubovitch rabbi took the stage declaring: "I have
never seen this miracle where Jews, Christians and Muslims come
together for peace!" Then Moon's cleric Chung Kwak took the mic.
Before his days as the commander of the UPI wire service, Kwak, Moon
said in a 1997 speech, was authorized to whomp on Unification Church
members who slacked off. "Particularly those who are sleeping and
hiding, Reverend Kwak's baseball bat will fall upon you at any time,"
Moon said. Now Kwak was standing in a Senate office building declaring
Moon the king of the "second and third Israel."

It might almost make sense for conservative congressmen to honor Moon
in this way. After all, a writer in Moon's magazine Insight wrote in
February that it's long past time for Republicans to thank the
billionaire Korean preacher for his gifts. "[T]he continued refusal of
Beltway conservatives publicly to acknowledge their steadfast patron
is, of course, scandalous," wrote contributor Paul Gottfried. Moon has
sunk an estimated $2-$4 billion into the money-losing Times, and
countless other causes -- like Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

Moon has also made inroads in the Bush administration, as Salon
reported last September, with plum appointments for former or present
Moon VIPs, and almost half a million dollars in abstinence-only grants
supporting Moon's anti- crusade. To teach teens that "free " is
revolting, they're asked by Moon's followers to drink other people's
spit out of a cup, and then consider how much more vigilant you must
be when sharing other body fluids.

While Moon once focused his energies on anti-Communism, making him
popular among Republicans in the Reagan era -- his organization gave
the first $100,000 to Oliver North's Nicaraguan Freedom Fund -- he has
now shifted gears, aiming left. He's planning a "Peace United Nations"
entwining religions instead of countries and is trying to make friends
in the Congressional Black Caucus, like Rep. Davis. No congressman, on
the right or left, has publicly denounced Moon for his momentous
speeches describing his "peace kingdom" as a place where "s will be
eliminated" in a "purge on God's orders" he says will be like
Stalin's. And many are surprisingly comfortable around a guy known for
over-the-top speeches about the holy "love organ of life" and its
various fluids. In a 1994 speech, he asked: "Do you like the smell of
your husband's semen? Answer to Father. Does it smell good or bad? You
may not like the smell of your wife's stool, but do you smell your
own? Why don't you smell your own but you smell your wife's? Because
you are not totally one."

But if Moon pulled off his greatest trick on Mar. 23, fooling some
unsuspecting congressmen into attending his coronation, it's not as if
his stunt was new -- for more than 25 years, Moon has sought to
surround himself with powerful people to gain credibility and
legitimacy, including presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and George
H.W. Bush. If the congressmen had simply run "Ambassadors for Peace"
through the Google search engine, they would have discovered the group
was tied to Moon and his grand plans for the future of Christianity --
plans to "reconcile" religions by tearing the Christian cross off
church walls and persuading Jews to sign apologies for giving Jesus
over to the Romans.

Weldon, for one, had a long time to do that Google search. As far back
as June 19, 2003, he's listed in a speech by Rep. Danny K. Davis on
the floor of the House of Representatives honoring Moon: "Many of my
colleagues will join me and the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr.
Weldon), co-chair, in giving tribute to some of the outstanding
Americans from our districts," said Davis. "We are grateful to the
founders of Ambassadors for Peace, the Reverend and Mrs. Sun Myung
[Moon], for promoting the vision of world peace, and we commend them
for their work."

As for Moon's vision of world peace, there are widespread reports,
even acknowledged within Moon's church, of allegations that in 1989 he
allowed brutal inquisitions to take place. The inquisitor, a man Moon
apparently believed was the reincarnation of his son, was allegedly
encouraged to tie people to radiators and beat them. As a result,
Moon's trusted lieutenant, Bo Hi Pak, was said to have suffered minor
brain damage. Wrote his daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, in her tell-all
book: "Sun Myung Moon seemed to take pleasure in the reports that
filtered back to East Garden of the beatings being administered by the
Black Heung Jin. He would laugh raucously if someone out of favor had
been dealt an especially hard blow." Members of Congress may want to
do their homework before they crown their next King of Peace.

Editor's note: This story has been corrected since its original
publication.

That's quite a messiah you got there. You can have him.

--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com

"Nothing compares to the complicated futility of ignorance."
-Kurt Vonnegut

From:	Bunn E. Rabbit
Subject:	Re: humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.? That's funny
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:26:48 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:02:50 GMT, DrPostman
wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:02 GMT, Josef Oswald
> in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>
>>God. In the same way Rev.Moon is also not *claiming* to be God.
>
>
>Yea, right. Sure he isn't:
>
>Source:
>http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/21/moon/index_np.html?x

I've forwarded this link the Mother Nature.

--
Bunn E. Rabbit
Tattle tail

>
>Hail to the Moon king
>The deeply weird coronation of Rev. Sun Myung Moon in a Senate office
>building -- crown, robes, the works -- is no longer one of
>Washington's best-kept secrets.
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - -
>By John Gorenfeld
>
>June 21, 2004 | You probably imagine your congressman hard at work
>in the Capitol debating legislation, making laws -- you know,
>governing. But your newspaper probably didn't tell you that one night
>in March, members of Congress hosted a crowning ritual for an
>ex-convict and multibillionaire who dressed up in maroon robes and
>declared himself the Second Coming.
>
>On March 23, the Dirksen Senate Office Building was the scene of a
>coronation ceremony for Rev. Sun Myung Moon, owner of the conservative
>Washington Times newspaper and UPI wire service, who was given a
>bejeweled crown by Rep. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill. Afterward, Moon told
>his bipartisan audience of Washington power players he would save
>everyone on Earth as he had saved the souls of Hitler and Stalin --
>the murderous dictators had been born again through him, he said. In a
>vision, Moon said the reformed Hitler and Stalin vouched for him,
>calling him "none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning
>Lord and True Parent."
>
>To many observers, this bizarre scene would have looked like the
>apocalypse as depicted in "Left Behind" novels. Moon, 84, the
>benefactor of conservative foundations like the American Family
>Coalition -- who served time in the 1980s for tax fraud and conspiracy
>to obstruct justice -- has views somewhere to the right of the
>Taliban's Mullah Omar. Moon preaches that s are "dung-eating dogs,"
>Jews brought on the Holocaust by betraying Jesus, and the U.S.
>Constitution should be scrapped in favor of a system he calls "Godism"
>-- with him in charge. The man crowned "King of Peace" by congressmen
>once said, according to sermons reprinted in his church's Unification
>News: "Suppose I were to hit you with the baseball bat to stop you,
>bloodying your ear and breaking a bone or two, yet still you insisted
>on doing more work for Father."
>
>What, exactly, drew at least a dozen members of Congress to Moon's
>coronation? (By the Unification Church's estimate, 81 congressmen
>attended, although that number is probably high.) The event was the
>grand finale of Moon's coast-to-coast "tear down the cross"
>Moonification tour, intended to remove Christian crosses from almost
>300 churches in poor neighborhoods -- the idea being that the cross
>was an obstacle to uniting religions under Moon. Yet the Dirksen
>ceremony was sold as a celebration of world peace. According to a
>cheery promotional video released by Moon's International and
>Interreligious Federation for World Peace, the ceremony marked the
>dawn of "the era of the Eternal Peace Kingdom, one global family under
>God." Moon's coronation also cured God's pain, the announcer explains.
>
>By all accounts, most of the congressmen in attendance didn't expect a
>coronation. Instead, they thought they were heading to an awards
>dinner honoring activists from their home states as "Ambassadors for
>Peace." A flier for the event claimed an impressive who's-who of
>organizers, including Republicans Sen. Lindsey Graham of South
>Carolina, Rep. Roscoe Bartlett of Maryland and Charlie Black, a top
>Republican strategist. Democrats were named, too, like Rep. Harold
>Ford of Tennessee, who, incidentally, claims to have not even heard of
>the event.
>
>And then there was Rep. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill., the only congressman
>who has publicly expressed pride in the crowning ceremony, who praised
>Moon for bringing religious leaders together in his Ambassadors for
>Peace tours to Jerusalem and beyond. Davis, it was revealed this week
>in the Chicago Reader, took money from Moon-organized fund raisers,
>who also gave to a charity of his choice. Davis told an Anglican
>magazine that Moon's remarks were "similar to a baseball team owner
>telling team members that 'we are the greatest team on earth'" to get
>them fired up.
>
>At the time, the surreal event went uncovered by the Washington press
>corps, save for Moon's own Washington Times, which ran a brief
>description of the festivities. The story is getting some traction
>only now, after it was recently reported in the online magazine The
>Gadflyer. But what transpired at Dirksen two months ago remains a
>mystery to most Americans -- and those constituents of congressmen who
>attended Moon's crowning.
>
>The crowning ritual indeed began as a somewhat normal awards ceremony.
>Ribbons that looked like Olympic gold medals were given to Rep.
>Bartlett and others. But then it took an odd turn. Rep. Curt Weldon,
>R-Pa., whose office maintained he did not attend the event until I
>provided photographs of him there -- spoke beside a photograph of
>himself pinning an American flag on Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy,
>back when President Bush was praising him for abandoning WMD programs
>and before he was suspected of trying to kill the leader of Saudi
>Arabia.
>
>Then, after Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., gave a speech praising one of
>Moon's Ambassadors for Peace, the civil rights veteran Rev. Walter
>Fauntroy, an unnamed Lubovitch rabbi took the stage declaring: "I have
>never seen this miracle where Jews, Christians and Muslims come
>together for peace!" Then Moon's cleric Chung Kwak took the mic.
>Before his days as the commander of the UPI wire service, Kwak, Moon
>said in a 1997 speech, was authorized to whomp on Unification Church
>members who slacked off. "Particularly those who are sleeping and
>hiding, Reverend Kwak's baseball bat will fall upon you at any time,"
>Moon said. Now Kwak was standing in a Senate office building declaring
>Moon the king of the "second and third Israel."
>
>It might almost make sense for conservative congressmen to honor Moon
>in this way. After all, a writer in Moon's magazine Insight wrote in
>February that it's long past time for Republicans to thank the
>billionaire Korean preacher for his gifts. "[T]he continued refusal of
>Beltway conservatives publicly to acknowledge their steadfast patron
>is, of course, scandalous," wrote contributor Paul Gottfried. Moon has
>sunk an estimated $2-$4 billion into the money-losing Times, and
>countless other causes -- like Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.
>
>Moon has also made inroads in the Bush administration, as Salon
>reported last September, with plum appointments for former or present
>Moon VIPs, and almost half a million dollars in abstinence-only grants
>supporting Moon's anti- crusade. To teach teens that "free " is
>revolting, they're asked by Moon's followers to drink other people's
>spit out of a cup, and then consider how much more vigilant you must
>be when sharing other body fluids.
>
>While Moon once focused his energies on anti-Communism, making him
>popular among Republicans in the Reagan era -- his organization gave
>the first $100,000 to Oliver North's Nicaraguan Freedom Fund -- he has
>now shifted gears, aiming left. He's planning a "Peace United Nations"
>entwining religions instead of countries and is trying to make friends
>in the Congressional Black Caucus, like Rep. Davis. No congressman, on
>the right or left, has publicly denounced Moon for his momentous
>speeches describing his "peace kingdom" as a place where "s will be
>eliminated" in a "purge on God's orders" he says will be like
>Stalin's. And many are surprisingly comfortable around a guy known for
>over-the-top speeches about the holy "love organ of life" and its
>various fluids. In a 1994 speech, he asked: "Do you like the smell of
>your husband's semen? Answer to Father. Does it smell good or bad? You
>may not like the smell of your wife's stool, but do you smell your
>own? Why don't you smell your own but you smell your wife's? Because
>you are not totally one."
>
>But if Moon pulled off his greatest trick on Mar. 23, fooling some
>unsuspecting congressmen into attending his coronation, it's not as if
>his stunt was new -- for more than 25 years, Moon has sought to
>surround himself with powerful people to gain credibility and
>legitimacy, including presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and George
>H.W. Bush. If the congressmen had simply run "Ambassadors for Peace"
>through the Google search engine, they would have discovered the group
>was tied to Moon and his grand plans for the future of Christianity --
>plans to "reconcile" religions by tearing the Christian cross off
>church walls and persuading Jews to sign apologies for giving Jesus
>over to the Romans.
>
>Weldon, for one, had a long time to do that Google search. As far back
>as June 19, 2003, he's listed in a speech by Rep. Danny K. Davis on
>the floor of the House of Representatives honoring Moon: "Many of my
>colleagues will join me and the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr.
>Weldon), co-chair, in giving tribute to some of the outstanding
>Americans from our districts," said Davis. "We are grateful to the
>founders of Ambassadors for Peace, the Reverend and Mrs. Sun Myung
>[Moon], for promoting the vision of world peace, and we commend them
>for their work."
>
>As for Moon's vision of world peace, there are widespread reports,
>even acknowledged within Moon's church, of allegations that in 1989 he
>allowed brutal inquisitions to take place. The inquisitor, a man Moon
>apparently believed was the reincarnation of his son, was allegedly
>encouraged to tie people to radiators and beat them. As a result,
>Moon's trusted lieutenant, Bo Hi Pak, was said to have suffered minor
>brain damage. Wrote his daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, in her tell-all
>book: "Sun Myung Moon seemed to take pleasure in the reports that
>filtered back to East Garden of the beatings being administered by the
>Black Heung Jin. He would laugh raucously if someone out of favor had
>been dealt an especially hard blow." Members of Congress may want to
>do their homework before they crown their next King of Peace.
>
>Editor's note: This story has been corrected since its original
>publication.
>
>
>
>
>That's quite a messiah you got there. You can have him.

_____

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____

"I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature

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From:	Eric
Subject:	Re: humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.? That's funny
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:56:50 +0900

In article <3bc4v0pdpes0gfjh7bbl6r3pocabbruq4l@4ax.com>, DrPostman
wrote:

>
> That's quite a messiah you got there. You can have him.
>

Thanks, he is quite a keeper.

Nothing in the article shows anywhere that Rev. Moon claims to be God.
That is how you began the post, you know.

From:	DrPostman
Subject:	Re: humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.? That's funny
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:31:57 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:56:50 +0900, Eric in accordance
with The Prophecy scribed:

>In article <3bc4v0pdpes0gfjh7bbl6r3pocabbruq4l@4ax.com>, DrPostman
> wrote:
>
>>
>> That's quite a messiah you got there. You can have him.
>>
>
>Thanks, he is quite a keeper.
>
>Nothing in the article shows anywhere that Rev. Moon claims to be God.
>That is how you began the post, you know.

Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com

"Nothing compares to the complicated futility of ignorance."
-Kurt Vonnegut

From:	Josef Oswald
Subject:	Re: humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.? That's funny
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:53:43 GMT

Earth-Date: 2005-01-22
in MSG-id: <3bc4v0pdpes0gfjh7bbl6r3pocabbruq4l@4ax.com> DrPostman typed:

> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:02 GMT, Josef Oswald
> in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>
>>God. In the same way Rev.Moon is also not *claiming* to be God.
>
>
> Yea, right. Sure he isn't:
>
> Source:
> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/21/moon/index_np.html?x

Excuse *nowhere* in the whole article do I find Rev.Moon *claiming* to
be *God* as you stated, care to point out the paragraph and *repost* it?

>
>
>

so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
Josef Oswald
Ooswald_josef@yahooO.com
Please don't Cc: me as I read the newsgroup :-)
--
Jesus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption.
Source: IJMC - Children's Bible Quotes'

From:	DrPostman
Subject:	Re: humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.? That's funny
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:40:52 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:53:43 GMT, Josef Oswald
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:

>Earth-Date: 2005-01-22
>in MSG-id: <3bc4v0pdpes0gfjh7bbl6r3pocabbruq4l@4ax.com> DrPostman typed:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:02 GMT, Josef Oswald
>> in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>>
>>
>>>God. In the same way Rev.Moon is also not *claiming* to be God.
>>
>>
>> Yea, right. Sure he isn't:
>>
>> Source:
>> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/21/moon/index_np.html?x
>
>Excuse *nowhere* in the whole article do I find Rev.Moon *claiming* to
>be *God* as you stated, care to point out the paragraph and *repost* it?
>

Moon can play semantics games all day long but his being crowned as
the "King of Peace" and references to him being The Second Coming
are quite clear enough to anyone not blinded by "Father".

--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com

"Nothing compares to the complicated futility of ignorance."
-Kurt Vonnegut

From:	gigo448 at netscape.net
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	20 Jan 2005 17:59:09 -0800

Lady Chatterly wrote:
> In article <1106269961.809324.286990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
> >
> >gigo...@netscape.net Jan 20, 4:39 pm hide options
> >
> >Newsgroups:
>
>talk.religion.bahai,alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.scientology,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.jewish
>
> Flame awards, moronbeam.
>
> >>From: gigo...@netscape.net - Find messages by this author
> >>Date: 20 Jan 2005 16:39:28 -0800
> >>Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 4:39 pm
> >>Subject: Re: Beliefnet.com's Rules of Conduct
> >>
> >>stevejduf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> What I was trying to say Bruce is if what you say is true and Rev.
> >Moon
> >> is going to unite all religions and create a one world theocracy
by
> >> 2012 don't you think the critics of Scientology are kind of
wasting
> >> their time doing what they are doing?
> >
> >Nope, not really, cause *scientology* is built upon the
> >same precepts. They attack the appendages, while i attack
> >the head of the beast, of *cult* (POP) Religion infesting
> >this world, and making GOD-men, or a world of delusion
> >instead of reality.
>
> There wasn 't.
>
> >Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking. It's not
> >based upon scriptures, nor reality. It's a Hoax, like
> >many of the other appendages of the beast.
>
> Peach, but this feminists does not support your claims in the 1950 S.
>
> >Peace out
>
> Peace reroute
>
> --
> Lady Chatterly
>
> "The whole Lady Chatterly thing has been poetic justice." --
> theoneflasehaddock

In some ways yes, but in other ways it has faults as well. It's
not perfect altho it tends to think it is. It's unscriptural
foundation in beliefs is obvious. If Ayn Rand wore a tin can
it would be Lady Chatterly.

Peace out

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 2:11:46 GMT

In article <1106272748.998075.150970@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
>
>Lady Chatterly wrote:
>> In article <1106269961.809324.286990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>> gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
>> >
>> >gigo...@netscape.net Jan 20, 4:39 pm hide options
>> >
>> >Newsgroups:
>>
>>talk.religion.bahai,alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.scientology,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.jewish
>>
>> Flame awards, moronbeam.
>>
>> >>From: gigo...@netscape.net - Find messages by this author
>> >>Date: 20 Jan 2005 16:39:28 -0800
>> >>Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 4:39 pm
>> >>Subject: Re: Beliefnet.com's Rules of Conduct
>> >>
>> >>stevejduf...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> What I was trying to say Bruce is if what you say is true and Rev.
>> >Moon
>> >> is going to unite all religions and create a one world theocracy
>by
>> >> 2012 don't you think the critics of Scientology are kind of
>wasting
>> >> their time doing what they are doing?
>> >
>> >Nope, not really, cause *scientology* is built upon the
>> >same precepts. They attack the appendages, while i attack
>> >the head of the beast, of *cult* (POP) Religion infesting
>> >this world, and making GOD-men, or a world of delusion
>> >instead of reality.
>>
>> There wasn 't.
>>
>> >Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking. It's not
>> >based upon scriptures, nor reality. It's a Hoax, like
>> >many of the other appendages of the beast.
>>
>> Peach, but this feminists does not support your claims in the 1950 S.
>>
>> >Peace out
>>
>> Peace reroute
>>
>> --
>> Lady Chatterly
>>
>> "The whole Lady Chatterly thing has been poetic justice." --
>> theoneflasehaddock
>
>In some ways yes, but in other ways it has faults as well. It's
>not perfect altho it tends to think it is. It's unscriptural
>foundation in beliefs is obvious. If Ayn Rand wore a tin can
>it would be Lady Chatterly.

Not that soc.

>Peace out

Peace reroute

--
Lady Chatterly

"Kali was child's play compared to Lady Chatterly - but I'm confident
you'll prevail in the end! Just don't give up!" -- Roofshadow

From:	gigo448 at netscape.net
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	20 Jan 2005 18:34:16 -0800

Lady Chatterly wrote:
> In article <1106272748.998075.150970@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
> >
> >Lady Chatterly wrote:
> >> In article <1106269961.809324.286990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> >> gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
> >> >
> >> >gigo...@netscape.net Jan 20, 4:39 pm hide options
> >> >
> >> >Newsgroups:
> >>
>
>>talk.religion.bahai,alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.scientology,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.jewish
> >>
> >> Flame awards, moronbeam.
> >>
> >> >>From: gigo...@netscape.net - Find messages by this author
> >> >>Date: 20 Jan 2005 16:39:28 -0800
> >> >>Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 4:39 pm
> >> >>Subject: Re: Beliefnet.com's Rules of Conduct
> >> >>
> >> >>stevejduf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> What I was trying to say Bruce is if what you say is true and
Rev.
> >> >Moon
> >> >> is going to unite all religions and create a one world
theocracy
> >by
> >> >> 2012 don't you think the critics of Scientology are kind of
> >wasting
> >> >> their time doing what they are doing?
> >> >
> >> >Nope, not really, cause *scientology* is built upon the
> >> >same precepts. They attack the appendages, while i attack
> >> >the head of the beast, of *cult* (POP) Religion infesting
> >> >this world, and making GOD-men, or a world of delusion
> >> >instead of reality.
> >>
> >> There wasn 't.
> >>
> >> >Men are NOT God, that's delusional thinking. It's not
> >> >based upon scriptures, nor reality. It's a Hoax, like
> >> >many of the other appendages of the beast.
> >>
> >> Peach, but this feminists does not support your claims in the 1950
S.
> >>
> >> >Peace out
> >>
> >> Peace reroute
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lady Chatterly
> >>
> >> "The whole Lady Chatterly thing has been poetic justice." --
> >> theoneflasehaddock
> >
> >In some ways yes, but in other ways it has faults as well. It's
> >not perfect altho it tends to think it is. It's unscriptural
> >foundation in beliefs is obvious. If Ayn Rand wore a tin can
> >it would be Lady Chatterly.
>
> Not that soc

Pretty darn close to it, the fact you deny it is telltale
of your own thoughts on it. Social Psychologist and all.

>
> >Peace out
>
> Peace reroute

Working on the process, just as you are.

GO(o)D luck..

>
> --
> Lady Chatterly
>
> "Kali was child's play compared to Lady Chatterly - but I'm confident

> you'll prevail in the end! Just don't give up!" -- Roofshadow
Just don't waste my time doin it.

Peace strout

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	22 Jan 2005 06:53:48 -0800

rgoldman@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Southern Thailand is markedly Muslim

There was something in the news about a month or so ago
about them wasn't there?

Susan

> wrote in message
> news:1106371206.568089.202320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > > Aren't they muslim in that area?
> >
> > Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.
> > Happy New Year Susan!

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:44:08 GMT

In article <1106405628.564106.141460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
Susan Cohen wrote:
>
>rgoldman@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Southern Thailand is markedly Muslim
>
>There was something in the news about a month or so ago
>about them wasn't there?

Or some shite like that on me ms.

--
Lady Chatterly

"Kinda makes you wonder who's the real bot..." -- Mick

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	22 Jan 2005 09:52:46 -0800

The majority of Thais are suspicious, believing ghosts live in most
large trees and keeping a spirit house in every home where daily
offerings of food and drink are given to calm nearby paranormal
entities.

..=2E...

"Thai people believe that when people die, a relative has to cremate
them or bless them. If this is not done or the body is not found,
people believe the person will appear over and over again to show
where they are," he said.

..=2E...

"After visiting Wat Baan Muang [a temple where hundreds of bodies
are still stored] I'm very scared. I can't sleep at night and when
the wind comes I'm sure it is the spirits coming," said Napa
Phroyrung=ADthong, a Patong bar manager.
These things don't sound Muslim to me.

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	22 Jan 2005 06:51:09 -0800

Android Cat wrote:
> Susan Cohen wrote:
> > stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> MANILA TIMES
> >>
> >> Saturday, January 15, 2005
> >>
> >> Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
> >>
> >> PATONG, Thailand: A second surge of tsunami terror is hitting
> >> southern Thailand, but this time it is a wave of foreign ghosts
> >> terrifying locals in what health experts described as an
outpouring
> >> of delayed mass trauma.
> >
> > Why *foreign* ghosts?
>
> They have nothing to fear from venerated ancestor ghosts. Local
> non-ancestor ghosts shouldn't be that rude. Ergo foreign ghosts lost
far
> away from home.
Oh, OK.

> --
> Ron of that ilk.

Of *what* ilk?

Susan

From:	Android Cat
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:55:57 -0500

Susan Cohen wrote:
> Android Cat wrote:
>> --
>> Ron of that ilk.
>
> Of *what* ilk?
>
> Susan

I'm not sure. Scientology would always refer to Toronto critics as "Gregg
and his ilk", so I figured I must of that ilk. (And after I started using
it, Scientology stopped. They tried "cohorts" a few times, but that didn't
last long.)

--
Ron of that ilk.

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:56:46 GMT

"Android Cat" wrote in message
news:uQuId.244$E45.122@fe51.usenetserver.com...
> Not Susan Cohen but Gordon Radovich wrote:
>> Android Cat wrote:
>>> --
>>> Ron of that ilk.
>>
>> Of *what* ilk?
>
> I'm not sure. Scientology would always refer to Toronto critics as "Gregg
> and his ilk", so I figured I must of that ilk. (And after I started using
> it, Scientology stopped. They tried "cohorts" a few times, but that
> didn't
> last long.)

The forger - using a Google account with a non-verizon account - doesn't
really care, of course.

Susan

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	21 Jan 2005 17:57:51 -0800

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
> MANILA TIMES
>
> Saturday, January 15, 2005
>
>
>
>
>
> Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
>
>
>
>
> PATONG, Thailand: A second surge of tsunami terror is hitting
southern
> Thailand, but this time it is a wave of foreign ghosts terrifying
> locals in what health experts described as an outpouring of delayed
> mass trauma.

Why *foreign* ghosts?

> Tales of ghost sightings in the six worst-hit southern provinces
have
> become endemic, with many locals saying they are too terrified to
> venture near the beach or into the ocean.
>
>
> Spooked volunteer body searchers on the resort areas of Phi Phi
Island
> and Khao Lak are reported to have looked for tourists heard laughing
> and singing on the beach only to find darkness and empty sand.
>
>
> Taxi drivers in Patong swear they have picked up a foreign man and
his
> Thai girlfriend going to the airport with all their baggage, only to
> then look in the rear-view mirror and find an empty seat.
>
>
> Guards at a beachfront plaza in Patong said one of their men had
quit
> after hearing a foreign woman cry "help me" all night long, and
> similar stories abound of a foreign ghost walking along the
shoreline
> at night calling for her child.
>
>
> The majority of Thais are suspicious, believing ghosts live in most
> large trees and keeping a spirit house in every home where daily
> offerings of food and drink are given to calm nearby paranormal
> entities.

Aren't they muslim in that area?

> Mental-health experts warn that tsunami survivors have picked up on
> this cultural factor as a way of expressing mass trauma after living
> through the deadly waves and witnessing horrific scenes in their
> aftermath.
>
>
> "This is a type of mass hallucination that is a cue to the trauma
> being suffered by people who are missing so many dead people, and
> seeing so many dead people, and only talking about dead people," the
> Thai psychologist and media commentator, Wallop Piyamanotham, said.
>
>
> He said people who claimed to have seen ghosts firsthand were people
> that mental health specialists would be paying particular attention
> to.
>
>
> Wallop is organizing a team of Thai and international health workers
> to join other specialists in affected provinces who are helping
people
> suffering psychological trauma as a result of the crisis.
>
>
> Amateurs and professionals alike have been pivotal in the recovery
of
> thousands of corpses from beaches and coastal towns ravaged by
> tsunamis on December 26, and in the subsequent processing of
handling
> bloated and rapidly decomposing bodies at huge makeshift morgues.
>
>
> Their round-the-clock work could be taking a devastating toll, with
at
> least seven workers having already been hospitalized suffering
extreme
> trauma.
>
>
> Volunteers helping at Thai temples, transformed into scenes of
grisly
> death as forensic experts struggle with the task of identification,
> are especially vulnerable, psychologists and doctors said.
>
>
> Wallop said widespread trauma began to set in about four days after
> the waves hit.
>
>
> "This is when people start seeing these farangs [foreigners] walking
> on the sand or in the ocean," he said, adding the sightings started
> about the same time as people "began calling for help, crying, some
> scared."
>
>
> Many people said they could not escape the smell of death or the
> sights they had seen while assisting in the crisis, he said.
>
>
> Wallop said the reason almost all ghost sightings appear to involve
> foreign tourists stems from a belief that spirits can only be put to
> rest by relatives at the scene, such as was done to many Thai
victims.
>
>
> "Thai people believe that when people die, a relative has to cremate
> them or bless them. If this is not done or the body is not found,
> people believe the person will appear over and over again to show
> where they are," he said.
>
>
> Wallop said in time people who need counseling would be reached and
> assisted and the sightings would settle down, but many locals
claimed
> they would not be swayed by such talk.
>
>
> "After visiting Wat Baan Muang [a temple where hundreds of bodies
> are still stored] I'm very scared. I can't sleep at night and when
> the wind comes I'm sure it is the spirits coming," said Napa
> Phroyrung=ADthong, a Patong bar manager.
>
>
> "I believe in ghosts and I always will. [The tsunami] happened so
> quickly, the foreigners didn't know what happened and they all think
> they are still on the beach. They all think they are still on
> holiday," she said.

Spooky.

Susan

From:	Android Cat
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:49:51 -0500

Susan Cohen wrote:
> stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
>> MANILA TIMES
>>
>> Saturday, January 15, 2005
>>
>> Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
>>
>> PATONG, Thailand: A second surge of tsunami terror is hitting
>> southern Thailand, but this time it is a wave of foreign ghosts
>> terrifying locals in what health experts described as an outpouring
>> of delayed mass trauma.
>
> Why *foreign* ghosts?

They have nothing to fear from venerated ancestor ghosts. Local
non-ancestor ghosts shouldn't be that rude. Ergo foreign ghosts lost far
away from home.

--
Ron of that ilk.

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:52:47 GMT

"Android Cat" wrote in message
news:dYkId.193$E45.63@fe51.usenetserver.com...
> Not Susan Cohen but Gordon Radovich wrote:
>>
>> Why *foreign* ghosts?
>
> They have nothing to fear from venerated ancestor ghosts.

The forger isn;t really interested in an answer.

Susan

Local
> non-ancestor ghosts shouldn't be that rude. Ergo foreign ghosts lost far
> away from home.
>
> --
> Ron of that ilk.
>
>
>

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	22 Jan 2005 09:48:49 -0800

> > > Aren't they muslim in that area?
> >
> > Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.
>
> Yes, I know Thais are mainly Buddhists but in the south on
> the peninsula next to Malaysia they are muslims, aren't
> they?

You could be right. I'll have to look that up in an atlas or
something.

>
> > Happy New Year Susan!
>
> Thank you. The same to you.

Thank you.

>
> Susan

From:	Susan Cohen
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:54:02 GMT

The forger is only being polite to you because you are helping him convince
people that he's me.
I do not post from Google groups, & always post from verizon.net, not
non-USA accounts, as the forger does.

Susan

wrote in message
news:1106416129.772524.226480@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> > > Aren't they muslim in that area?
>> >
>> > Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.
>>
>> Yes, I know Thais are mainly Buddhists but in the south on
>> the peninsula next to Malaysia they are muslims, aren't
>> they?
>
> You could be right. I'll have to look that up in an atlas or
> something.
>
>>
>> > Happy New Year Susan!
>>
>> Thank you. The same to you.
>
> Thank you.
>
>>
>> Susan
>

From:	Lady Chatterly
Subject:	Re: Mass trauma blamed for Thai ghost sightings
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:50:37 GMT

In article <1106416129.772524.226480@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> > > Aren't they muslim in that area?
>> >
>> > Thailand is mostly Buddhist. Indonesia has many Muslims.
>>
>> Yes, I know Thais are mainly Buddhists but in the south on
>> the peninsula next to Malaysia they are muslims, aren't
>> they?
>
>You could be right. I'll have to look that up in an atlas or
>something.

I doubt as many arguments that expose the 'out tech ' of the security
service waste on this free petition site claims that it was then that
some strange t