Hi,

I was just wondering whether trucks are allowed to take up both lanes
of a roundabout when going around? I understand that large semis may
not have a choice, however I have experienced on many occasions trucks
not staying in their lanes and forcing cars in those lanes to slow
down/stop.

What is the law regarding this?

Cheers ;)

Matt.

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:49:49 GMT

Hi Matt
If the truck has the "do not overtake turning vehicle" they have
the right of way.. BTW this is a Federal law not a traffic law.. You need
to be crazy to try passing one in a round-a-bout (especially if you had a
nut like me driving it).. 8-) Grab a traffic rules book and read the truck
section and you will under stand better..

"Matt"
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering whether trucks are allowed to take up both lanes
> of a roundabout when going around? I understand that large semis may
> not have a choice, however I have experienced on many occasions trucks
> not staying in their lanes and forcing cars in those lanes to slow
> down/stop.
>
> What is the law regarding this?
>
> Cheers ;)
>
> Matt.

From:	sheik yerbouti
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:55 +1100

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:49:49 GMT, "Oh Well"
wrote:

>Hi Matt
> If the truck has the "do not overtake turning vehicle" they have
>the right of way.. BTW this is a Federal law not a traffic law..

road rules are state-based.

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From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:18:22 GMT

Thats still a federal law... Not a "state-based" law..

"sheik yerbouti"
>
>>Hi Matt
>> If the truck has the "do not overtake turning vehicle" they have
>>the right of way.. BTW this is a Federal law not a traffic law..
>
> road rules are state-based.
>
>
>

From:	sheik yerbouti
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:27:57 +1100

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:18:22 GMT, "Oh Well"
wrote:

>Thats still a federal law... Not a "state-based" law..
>
so if you overtake a turning vehicle you get hauled in front of a
federal court in canberra?

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From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:49:09 GMT

But by knowing this you can get little wankers in there pissy
little cars in some shit when you run over them ..... 8-)

"sheik yerbouti" <
>
>>Thats still a federal law... Not a "state-based" law..
>>
> so if you overtake a turning vehicle you get hauled in front of a
> federal court in canberra?
>

From:	Uncle Bully
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:59 +1100

"Matt" wrote in message
news:aab206ab.0501211703.ed9cce3@posting.google.com...
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering whether trucks are allowed to take up both lanes
> of a roundabout when going around? I understand that large semis may
> not have a choice, however I have experienced on many occasions trucks
> not staying in their lanes and forcing cars in those lanes to slow
> down/stop.
>
> What is the law regarding this?

Um you need to know this to get your license. Perhaps you could do us all a
favour and hand your's back...

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:14:03 +1100

Uncle Bully wrote:
> Um you need to know this to get your license. Perhaps you could do us all a
> favour and hand your's back...

You're allowed to "not know" the answers to a proportion of the
questions asked. You can get a licence as long as (in Victoria) you can
get 70% of the answers right...

How many of you experts scored 10/10 on that RACV quiz last week?

From:	Charlie
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:47:34 +1000

Uncle Bully wrote:

> Um you need to know this to get your license. Perhaps you could do us all a
> favour and hand your's back...

needed to know it when? 50 years ago? There are shitloads of people
out there that won't know the technicalities of this one, and just get
by on a mix of common sense and luck... at least he's asking. I don't
know the specific 'law' but I know the safe way to deal with it...

Charlie

From:	Michael
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	22 Jan 2005 15:22:13 +0800

Charlie wrote in news:41F1BEC6.E2D14751@nospam.org:

>> Um you need to know this to get your license. Perhaps you could do us
>> all a favour and hand your's back...
>
> needed to know it when? 50 years ago? There are shitloads of people
> out there that won't know the technicalities of this one, and just get
> by on a mix of common sense and luck... at least he's asking. I don't
> know the specific 'law' but I know the safe way to deal with it...

If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a favour,
take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to own it.

It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your license.
(Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just because
that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).

You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't. Just
ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their unroadworthy
shitboxes doing 80km/h.

From:	Charlie
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:26:10 +1000

Michael wrote:

> If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a favour,
> take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to own it.
>
> It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
> irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your license.
> (Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just because
> that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).
>
> You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't. Just
> ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their unroadworthy
> shitboxes doing 80km/h.

you reckon you have a complete and total understanding of every road law
in australia? I'd suggest that very few people do. I'd also suggest
it's unnecessary. No doubt you and other members of the High Horse
Riding Club will have suitable overly concerned responses to this
though...

Charlie

From:	Uncle Bully
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:56:39 +1100

"Charlie" wrote in message
news:41F20012.CD5718EC@nospam.org...
> Michael wrote:
>
>> If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a
>> favour,
>> take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to own
>> it.
>>
>> It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
>> irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your license.
>> (Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just because
>> that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).
>>
>> You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't. Just
>> ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their
>> unroadworthy
>> shitboxes doing 80km/h.
>
> you reckon you have a complete and total understanding of every road law
> in australia? I'd suggest that very few people do. I'd also suggest
> it's unnecessary. No doubt you and other members of the High Horse
> Riding Club will have suitable overly concerned responses to this
> though...

Yeah but this is a real obvious one, I mean trucks even have it written in
yellow and red across the back of their vehicles.
Even if you didn't know the rules, surely you paid attention to the bohemoth
that just cut in front of you?

From:	Charlie
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:37:11 +1000

Uncle Bully wrote:

> Yeah but this is a real obvious one, I mean trucks even have it written in
> yellow and red across the back of their vehicles.

they hardly have the full road rules as they relate to trucks turning
and other vehicles, written on the back of them. They have a basic,
easy to understand guideline.

> Even if you didn't know the rules, surely you paid attention to the bohemoth
> that just cut in front of you?

what event are we talking about?

Charlie

From:	reg-john
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:14:36 GMT

"Uncle Bully" wrote in message
news:35epnfF4mdo96U1@individual.net...
>
> "Charlie" wrote in message
> news:41F20012.CD5718EC@nospam.org...
> > Michael wrote:
> >
> >> If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a
> >> favour,
> >> take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to own
> >> it.
> >>
> >> It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
> >> irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your
license.
> >> (Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just because
> >> that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).
> >>
> >> You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't.
Just
> >> ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their
> >> unroadworthy
> >> shitboxes doing 80km/h.
> >
> > you reckon you have a complete and total understanding of every road law
> > in australia? I'd suggest that very few people do. I'd also suggest
> > it's unnecessary. No doubt you and other members of the High Horse
> > Riding Club will have suitable overly concerned responses to this
> > though...
>
> Yeah but this is a real obvious one, I mean trucks even have it written in
> yellow and red across the back of their vehicles.
> Even if you didn't know the rules, surely you paid attention to the
bohemoth
> that just cut in front of you?

very few people give a shit about trucks mate, they see them as inconvenient
slower things rather than the things that get your designer jeans and ipods
to stores for you to buy on your shiny new credit card. sure lots of truck
drivers are arseholes, but so are car drivers. what do we drae form this?
lots of people are arseholes wherever you go. jsut remember where 99% of the
stuff you buy comes from, the next time you get annoyed by a truck slowing
you by 10km/h.

the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)

>
>
>

From:	Roy Wilke
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:36:51 +1000

reg-john wrote:

(snip)

> the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
> instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
> wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)

I think you're misunderstanding the rail solution. In an ideal world,
rail would be the main method of transporting freight overland between
cities (e.g. Sydney-Brisbane), with trucks operating a feeder service to
and from the rail termini.

If you lived in a small town on the Pacific, or the Bruce, the New
England or any other major highway, what would you prefer? To hear the
clickety-clack of an inter-city freight train go past every couple of
hours, or listen to the exhaust brakes and diesel bark of 60+
semi-trailers and B-Doubles per hour?

From:	reg-john
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:20:01 GMT

thats fine, but nitwits complains about trucks on city roads, thats
unfixable.

"Roy Wilke" wrote in
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>
>
> reg-john wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail
use
> > instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
> > wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)
>
> I think you're misunderstanding the rail solution. In an ideal world,
> rail would be the main method of transporting freight overland between
> cities (e.g. Sydney-Brisbane), with trucks operating a feeder service to
> and from the rail termini.
>
> If you lived in a small town on the Pacific, or the Bruce, the New
> England or any other major highway, what would you prefer? To hear the
> clickety-clack of an inter-city freight train go past every couple of
> hours, or listen to the exhaust brakes and diesel bark of 60+
> semi-trailers and B-Doubles per hour?
>
>

From:	sheik yerbouti
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:57:25 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:20:01 GMT, "reg-john" wrote:

>thats fine, but nitwits complains about trucks on city roads, thats
>unfixable.
>
>
they often drive on non-truck routes

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From:	reg-john
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:59:14 GMT

sure, and if they get caught they get fined a huge amount of money. jsut
like other people do bad stuff and get punished...i fail to see how truck
drivers are somehow worse than car drivers.

"sheik yerbouti" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:20:01 GMT, "reg-john" wrote:
>
> >thats fine, but nitwits complains about trucks on city roads, thats
> >unfixable.
> >
> >
> they often drive on non-truck routes
>
>
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From:	Roy Wilke
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:50:16 +1000

reg-john wrote:

> thats fine, but nitwits complains about trucks on city roads, thats
> unfixable.

They complain about any vehicle that isn't personally driven by themselves.

> "Roy Wilke" wrote in
> message news:41f31bd3$0$4095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>
>>reg-john wrote:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>
>>>the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail
>
> use
>
>>>instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
>>>wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)
>>
>>I think you're misunderstanding the rail solution. In an ideal world,
>>rail would be the main method of transporting freight overland between
>>cities (e.g. Sydney-Brisbane), with trucks operating a feeder service to
>>and from the rail termini.
>>
>>If you lived in a small town on the Pacific, or the Bruce, the New
>>England or any other major highway, what would you prefer? To hear the
>>clickety-clack of an inter-city freight train go past every couple of
>>hours, or listen to the exhaust brakes and diesel bark of 60+
>>semi-trailers and B-Doubles per hour?
>>
>>
>
>
>

From:	Forg
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:25:11 +1100

reg-john wrote:
....
> thats fine, but nitwits complains about
> trucks on city roads, thats unfixable.
....

The lumbering-uphill & careening-downhill semi with two trailers
(B-double?) would be a lot less common, though.

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From:	reg-john
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:08:30 GMT

yes, and everything you buy would be a lot less common.

"Forg" wrote in message
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> reg-john wrote:
> ...
> > thats fine, but nitwits complains about
> > trucks on city roads, thats unfixable.
> ...
>
> The lumbering-uphill & careening-downhill semi with two trailers
> (B-double?) would be a lot less common, though.
>
>
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From:	Forg
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:25 +1100

reg-john wrote:
....
> > reg-john wrote:
....
> > > thats fine, but nitwits complains about
> > > trucks on city roads, thats unfixable.
....
> > The lumbering-uphill & careening-downhill
> > semi with two trailers (B-double?) would be
> > a lot less common, though.
....
> yes, and everything you buy would be a lot less common.
....

No it wouldn't; the magic word "replace" was used.

Freight companies use large trucks to transport freight to depots, and
distribute stuff around using smaller trucks. You're just replacing the
large trucks (which have a set route that parallels a railway line a lot
of the time) with rail on existing rail infrastructure. The
infrastructure already exists; all that's needed is a reason to bother
with incentives or whatever to make the change (and I'm not entirely
sure that reason exists).

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From:	reg-john
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:51:57 GMT

"Forg" wrote in message
news:41f4c124$0$20754$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> reg-john wrote:
> ...
> > > reg-john wrote:
> ...
> > > > thats fine, but nitwits complains about
> > > > trucks on city roads, thats unfixable.
> ...
> > > The lumbering-uphill & careening-downhill
> > > semi with two trailers (B-double?) would be
> > > a lot less common, though.
> ...
> > yes, and everything you buy would be a lot less common.
> ...
>
> No it wouldn't; the magic word "replace" was used.
>
> Freight companies use large trucks to transport freight to depots, and
> distribute stuff around using smaller trucks. You're just replacing the
> large trucks (which have a set route that parallels a railway line a lot
> of the time) with rail on existing rail infrastructure. The
> infrastructure already exists; all that's needed is a reason to bother
> with incentives or whatever to make the change (and I'm not entirely
> sure that reason exists).

state rail cant get people to work even remotely on time.do you really think
theyve got the logistical nouse to organise and keep organised the freight
requirements of NSW for a start. that means getting the goods to stores is
the same or LESS time as it currently being achieved.

additionally, the majority of larger stores require the capacity of a semi
to get all their product in one hit. sending 2 or 3 HR trucks would pollute
a lot more than 1 semi, and hold people up more. perhaps youd like me to
break it into 4 or 5 MR trucks. 10-12 LR trucks? 50 courier vans? at the end
of the day, if truck drivers behave properly (and 95% of them do) then there
arent that many problems. sure you might get to your squash game 30 seconds
later, or you might not be able to always overtake them, but they really do
support our way of life whether you like it or not, and will continue to (in
hopefully more environmentally friendly ways) until teleporting is a viable
and actual invention :)

if they can get interstate freight rail operating to the same or better
efficiency as road, then im all for it, but it will be a very long time in
the making.

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From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:08:44 GMT

NSW Rail have been trying for over 150 years to get it right - law of averages seem to be
against them succeeding any time soon.

reg-john wrote:
> "Forg" wrote in message
> news:41f4c124$0$20754$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>>reg-john wrote:
>>...
>> > > reg-john wrote:
>>...
>> > > > thats fine, but nitwits complains about
>> > > > trucks on city roads, thats unfixable.
>>...
>> > > The lumbering-uphill & careening-downhill
>> > > semi with two trailers (B-double?) would be
>> > > a lot less common, though.
>>...
>> > yes, and everything you buy would be a lot less common.
>>...
>>
>>No it wouldn't; the magic word "replace" was used.
>>
>>Freight companies use large trucks to transport freight to depots, and
>>distribute stuff around using smaller trucks. You're just replacing the
>>large trucks (which have a set route that parallels a railway line a lot
>>of the time) with rail on existing rail infrastructure. The
>>infrastructure already exists; all that's needed is a reason to bother
>>with incentives or whatever to make the change (and I'm not entirely
>>sure that reason exists).
>
>
> state rail cant get people to work even remotely on time.do you really think
> theyve got the logistical nouse to organise and keep organised the freight
> requirements of NSW for a start. that means getting the goods to stores is
> the same or LESS time as it currently being achieved.
>
> additionally, the majority of larger stores require the capacity of a semi
> to get all their product in one hit. sending 2 or 3 HR trucks would pollute
> a lot more than 1 semi, and hold people up more. perhaps youd like me to
> break it into 4 or 5 MR trucks. 10-12 LR trucks? 50 courier vans? at the end
> of the day, if truck drivers behave properly (and 95% of them do) then there
> arent that many problems. sure you might get to your squash game 30 seconds
> later, or you might not be able to always overtake them, but they really do
> support our way of life whether you like it or not, and will continue to (in
> hopefully more environmentally friendly ways) until teleporting is a viable
> and actual invention :)
>
>
> if they can get interstate freight rail operating to the same or better
> efficiency as road, then im all for it, but it will be a very long time in
> the making.
>
>
>
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From:	Justin Thyme
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:09:06 +1000

"reg-john" wrote in message
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> the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
> instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
> wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)
If you think using rail more means building rail to every retail/wholesaler
then the biggest imbecile here is you! There is not a lot of general freight
that stays on one truck from source to destination. It goes on a truck
(usually a relatively small one, not a Bdouble) from the source to the
depot. It will then go on a large truck from the depot to a depot near the
destination. Possibly changing trucks a couple of times in the meantime.
Then it will be loaded onto a small truck again to be delivered to the
destination. Those who espouse rail use are fully aware that trucks will
still be used for the source-depot and depot-destination trips. Using rail
for direct collection or direct delivery would only be viable for very few
locations. What rail is good at however is the replacement of the
depot-depot trip - the long haul. Bear in mind when we start talking about
truck accidents and problems caused by trucks, the majority is on those long
haul trips. We have thousands of trucks ply the eastern seaboard daily, with
trips from melbourne-sydney, sydney-brisbane, brisbane-rockhampton, yet
there is a perfectly good rail system running that stretch. When you
consider a crew of 3 can shift thousands of tonnes of freight on rail,
compared to about 50 tonnes of freight per person on road, rail is a damned
site more cost effective for labour costs. It also requires less maintenance
per tonne transported, uses less fuel (modern electric loco's are very
energy efficient), and if scheduling is done properly, rail is only
marginally slower than road.
Even if only 50% of the trucks were taken off the pacific, hume, newell,
warrego and other major highways, it would have a huge impact on the safety
of those roads, as well as reducing noise, pollution, road damage, cast-off
tyres etc.
Having lived directly across the road from a rail freight line that carried
frequent coal trains, and at another time living a block away from the
warrego hwy in Toowoomba, I know that trains are a damned site quieter and
more tolerable to residential areas than dickhead truck drivers who think it
is ok to use exhaust brakes in built up areas.
The reason we are so dependent on truck transport in this country is purely
because our rail system is up shit's creek. If we had a national line (ie,
spend a fortune so that all major routes are on standard gauge, instead of
the assortment of gauges we currently have), and decent service scheduling,
there is no reason at all why rail wouldn't be able to take the place of a
very large proportion of freight that is currently on the roads. Fewer
trucks means fewer horrendous accidents, fewer people pissed off about the
actions of the dickheads, and less wear and tear on our national highways.
If there are fewer trucks, then that means fewer truck drivers - with a bit
of luck it would be the dickheads that would go first, and then maybe those
left would be able to be credited with respect.

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:34:21 GMT

"Justin Thyme" Wrote the biggest load of shit I have read in this thread
yet...

Justin you are one fool I would love to run over ....

Justin walks in to a shop and says "where's all the toilet paper ??"

Shop keeper says "the train is late again and my box trailer has
a flat-tyre so I can only get one box full at a time in my car boot "..

Get a grip , Seen the stickers on the back of most trucks that say
" Without trucks Australia stops " well it's true ...

Wanker do gooders.. It's fuckheads like you that need education
on how the freight industry works,, Get out from behind your desk
and get a real job...

PLONK !

From:	Roy Wilke
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:20:50 +1000

Oh Well wrote:
> "Justin Thyme" Wrote the biggest load of shit I have read in this thread
> yet...
>

Actually, he didn't. All he did was argue that it would be more
practical for long-distance freight to be moved to rail transport.

> Justin you are one fool I would love to run over ....
>
> Justin walks in to a shop and says "where's all the toilet paper ??"
>
> Shop keeper says "the train is late again and my box trailer has
> a flat-tyre so I can only get one box full at a time in my car boot "..
>

> Get a grip , Seen the stickers on the back of most trucks that say
> " Without trucks Australia stops " well it's true ...

Not necessarily. Australia has been moving, due to continental drift,
north at the rate of about two centimetres per year since the breakup of
Gondwana a few hundred million years ago. The presence or absence of
trucks would have no effect on this phenomenon :)

Seriously, though, the country's over-reliance on trucks for line-haul
operations over routes that are paralleled by freight rail services
could be argued to be to the detriment of the nation and the trucking
industry. Truckies are, and have long been, on the receiving end of poor
working conditions, required to maintain punishing and near-impossible
schedules (one that I've heard of recently is a company that requires
its drivers to drive from their northern Gold Coast depot to Mooloolaba
and Maroochydore with two drop-offs at supermarkets and return to the
depot in three hours -- during daylight hours on weekdays and travelling
via the centre of Brisbane -- a round-trip of about 200 miles) at
miserly hourly rates of pay. In addition, there's the community expense
in maintaining and upgrading the roads to accommodate the heavier
axle-loads of large trucks.

>
> Wanker do gooders.. It's fuckheads like you that need education
> on how the freight industry works,, Get out from behind your desk
> and get a real job...
>

Fair enough. Maybe I do need an education on how the freight industry
works. Being a financial member of the TWU and having earnt my living
driving trucks and buses ranging from a 1960s-vintage ACCO to a
relatively modern Volvo B10 probably has given me no idea of the
subtleties and vagaries of the transport industry in Australia.

> PLONK !
>
>

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:28:24 GMT

"Roy Wilke"
>
>
> Not necessarily. Australia has been moving, due to continental drift,
> north at the rate of about two centimetres per year since the breakup of
> Gondwana a few hundred million years ago. The presence or absence of
> trucks would have no effect on this phenomenon :)

Hehehe !!!

> Truckies are, and have long been, on the receiving end of poor working
> conditions, required to maintain punishing and near-impossible schedules
> (one that I've heard of recently is a company that requires its drivers to
> drive from their northern Gold Coast depot to Mooloolaba and Maroochydore
> with two drop-offs at supermarkets and return to the depot in three
> hours -- during daylight hours on weekdays and travelling via the centre
> of Brisbane -- a round-trip of about 200 miles) at miserly hourly rates of
> pay. In addition, there's the community expense in maintaining and
> upgrading the roads to accommodate the heavier axle-loads of large trucks.

The majority of this is cause by the lack of respect by both the comanys
and the puplic in genral.. I also know there are a lot of the "cowboy "
aspect still out there, But! this is getting less and less as the industry
is
doing a self-cleanout.. As for these companeys doing as you say then
make the call to the TWU and watch what happens but please have
a few facts that can be proved..

>
>
> Fair enough. Maybe I do need an education on how the freight industry
> works. Being a financial member of the TWU and having earnt my living
> driving trucks and buses ranging from a 1960s-vintage ACCO to a relatively
> modern Volvo B10 probably has given me no idea of the subtleties and
> vagaries of the transport industry in Australia.
>

Well You should know what I'm talking about then.. I have now found
that there is more than just a few heavy drivers ( trucks and busses ) in
here and we all have one thing in common and that is that we took our
love for driving one step feather, It's just a shame we don't get the
respect
our overseas counterparts receive.. Most drivers ( drovers ) think that
it is a very easy job to do.. They have no idea how hard it is to do..

Cheers

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:35:00 GMT

"reg-john" WROTE !!

> very few people give a shit about trucks mate, they see them as
> inconvenient
> slower things rather than the things that get your designer jeans and
> ipods
> to stores for you to buy on your shiny new credit card. sure lots of truck
> drivers are arseholes, but so are car drivers. what do we drae form this?
> lots of people are arseholes wherever you go. jsut remember where 99% of
> the
> stuff you buy comes from, the next time you get annoyed by a truck slowing
> you by 10km/h.
>
> the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
> instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
> wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)
>

This is so well said, I can't agree more ... Good on ya ...

From:	Uncle Bully
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:11:58 +1100

"reg-john" wrote in message
news:wAqId.129328$K7.20428@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Uncle Bully" wrote in message
> news:35epnfF4mdo96U1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Charlie" wrote in message
>> news:41F20012.CD5718EC@nospam.org...
>> > Michael wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a
>> >> favour,
>> >> take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to
>> >> own
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
>> >> irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your
> license.
>> >> (Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just
>> >> because
>> >> that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).
>> >>
>> >> You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't.
> Just
>> >> ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their
>> >> unroadworthy
>> >> shitboxes doing 80km/h.
>> >
>> > you reckon you have a complete and total understanding of every road
>> > law
>> > in australia? I'd suggest that very few people do. I'd also suggest
>> > it's unnecessary. No doubt you and other members of the High Horse
>> > Riding Club will have suitable overly concerned responses to this
>> > though...
>>
>> Yeah but this is a real obvious one, I mean trucks even have it written
>> in
>> yellow and red across the back of their vehicles.
>> Even if you didn't know the rules, surely you paid attention to the
> bohemoth
>> that just cut in front of you?
>
> very few people give a shit about trucks mate, they see them as
> inconvenient
> slower things rather than the things that get your designer jeans and
> ipods
> to stores for you to buy on your shiny new credit card. sure lots of truck
> drivers are arseholes, but so are car drivers. what do we drae form this?
> lots of people are arseholes wherever you go. jsut remember where 99% of
> the
> stuff you buy comes from, the next time you get annoyed by a truck slowing
> you by 10km/h.
>
> the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
> instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
> wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)

I had an HT license once upon a time so I have respect for them.
What scares me is that there are drivers out there that don't realise that a
truck or bus has the right to cut into your lane on a corner. They'll find
out the hard way what the road rules actually are.

From:	Roy Wilke
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:35:37 +1000

Uncle Bully wrote:

> "reg-john" wrote in message
> news:wAqId.129328$K7.20428@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>"Uncle Bully" wrote in message
>>news:35epnfF4mdo96U1@individual.net...
>>
>>>"Charlie" wrote in message
>>>news:41F20012.CD5718EC@nospam.org...
>>>
>>>>Michael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a
>>>>>favour,
>>>>>take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to
>>>>>own
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
>>>>>irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your
>>
>>license.
>>
>>>>>(Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just
>>>>>because
>>>>>that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).
>>>>>
>>>>>You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't.
>>
>>Just
>>
>>>>>ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their
>>>>>unroadworthy
>>>>>shitboxes doing 80km/h.
>>>>
>>>>you reckon you have a complete and total understanding of every road
>>>>law
>>>>in australia? I'd suggest that very few people do. I'd also suggest
>>>>it's unnecessary. No doubt you and other members of the High Horse
>>>>Riding Club will have suitable overly concerned responses to this
>>>>though...
>>>
>>>Yeah but this is a real obvious one, I mean trucks even have it written
>>>in
>>>yellow and red across the back of their vehicles.
>>>Even if you didn't know the rules, surely you paid attention to the
>>
>>bohemoth
>>
>>>that just cut in front of you?
>>
>>very few people give a shit about trucks mate, they see them as
>>inconvenient
>>slower things rather than the things that get your designer jeans and
>>ipods
>>to stores for you to buy on your shiny new credit card. sure lots of truck
>>drivers are arseholes, but so are car drivers. what do we drae form this?
>>lots of people are arseholes wherever you go. jsut remember where 99% of
>>the
>>stuff you buy comes from, the next time you get annoyed by a truck slowing
>>you by 10km/h.
>>
>>the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
>>instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
>>wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)
>
>
> I had an HT license once upon a time so I have respect for them.
> What scares me is that there are drivers out there that don't realise that a
> truck or bus has the right to cut into your lane on a corner. They'll find
> out the hard way what the road rules actually are.

Heard a story once about a bloke going for his artic. licence, only to
collect a Commodore with the trailer when making a left turn.

The Commodore was driven by an off-duty police constable, who was livid
and about to throw 'the book' at both the examiner and examinee.

At this point, the old bloke who lived in the house next to this corner
interrupted his rose-pruning to mention that he thought the Commodore
driver was more at fault, only to be told by the constable to "f... off".

The old bloke then took out his wallet and showed it to the police
constable.

The old bloke just happened to be a police superintendant...

From:	Uncle Bully
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:38:39 +1100

> Heard a story once about a bloke going for his artic. licence, only to
> collect a Commodore with the trailer when making a left turn.
>
> The Commodore was driven by an off-duty police constable, who was livid
> and about to throw 'the book' at both the examiner and examinee.
>
> At this point, the old bloke who lived in the house next to this corner
> interrupted his rose-pruning to mention that he thought the Commodore
> driver was more at fault, only to be told by the constable to "f... off".
>
> The old bloke then took out his wallet and showed it to the police
> constable.
>
> The old bloke just happened to be a police superintendant...

How much would you pay to have been there. Gold :)

From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:05:40 +1100

reg-john wrote:

>
> the amusing solution imbeciles often espouse is that of increased rail use
> instead of trucks. sure, jsut build a rail line to every retail and
> wholesale outlet in australia and we'll do that no worries :)

Beat me to it. :-)
I don't think many people would like to constantly hear clikity clack
all day and all night long with trains constantly passing your house.
:-) Or worse having to constantly drive over train lines over and over
and over. Before I even got my truck license my attitude was they suck
and they should be banned! After driving them now its a totally
different view on things. So I tell the knockers get over the other side
of the cab and see for yourself before knocking us truckers. :-)

--
Regards Dan

From:	Forg
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:13:35 +1100

Diesel Dog (not Damo) wrote:
....
> Before I even got my truck license my attitude
> was they suck and they should be banned! After
> driving them now its a totally different view
> on things. So I tell the knockers get over the
> other side of the cab and see for yourself
> before knocking us truckers. :-)
....

I suppose people in cars just get annoyed with the way truck drivers are
such complete pains in the arse ... if a truck's capable of 81km/h in a
100 zone & wants to go 'round one that can only manage 80km/h, they
should just friggin' stay behind the 80km/h truck until the cars have
gone past, rather than cutting in front of some poor car driver (who's
doing 20km/h more) & just about running them off the road.

Staying within their lane & hence _not_ running into cars in the
neighbouring lanes would be a big positive, as well ...

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From:	reg-john
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:59:49 GMT

"Forg" wrote in message
news:41f2ec31$0$2590$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Diesel Dog (not Damo) wrote:
> ...
> > Before I even got my truck license my attitude
> > was they suck and they should be banned! After
> > driving them now its a totally different view
> > on things. So I tell the knockers get over the
> > other side of the cab and see for yourself
> > before knocking us truckers. :-)
> ...
>
> I suppose people in cars just get annoyed with the way truck drivers are
> such complete pains in the arse ... if a truck's capable of 81km/h in a
> 100 zone & wants to go 'round one that can only manage 80km/h, they
> should just friggin' stay behind the 80km/h truck until the cars have
> gone past, rather than cutting in front of some poor car driver (who's
> doing 20km/h more) & just about running them off the road.
>
> Staying within their lane & hence _not_ running into cars in the
> neighbouring lanes would be a big positive, as well ...

yes yes, everyone knows, there are idiot truck drivers. and idiot car
drivers. and idiot motorbike riders. just plain idiots everywhere. dont
penalise those who are doing the right thing because of perceptions of some
other drivers.

>
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From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:22:24 +1100

Forg wrote:
> Diesel Dog (not Damo) wrote:
> ...
> > Before I even got my truck license my attitude
> > was they suck and they should be banned! After
> > driving them now its a totally different view
> > on things. So I tell the knockers get over the
> > other side of the cab and see for yourself
> > before knocking us truckers. :-)
> ...
>
> I suppose people in cars just get annoyed with the way truck drivers are
> such complete pains in the arse ...

True but passenger cars can just be as annoying for truck drivers. Sure
I drive trucks at times but I don't do it to be a road bully just to do
a job as safe and quick as possible and cause as little inconvenience to
anyone else on the road. Just some impatient dick head drivers (in any
road going vehicle) that causes the drama's.

> Staying within their lane & hence _not_ running into cars in the
> neighbouring lanes would be a big positive, as well ...

Indeed also people have to learn that no one owns the roads as well its
there to share and some people need to have common sense to see that. :-)

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From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:50:54 GMT

"Forg"
> I suppose people in cars just get annoyed with the way truck drivers are
> such complete pains in the arse ... if a truck's capable of 81km/h in a
> 100 zone & wants to go 'round one that can only manage 80km/h, they should
> just friggin' stay behind the 80km/h truck until the cars have gone past,
> rather than cutting in front of some poor car driver (who's doing 20km/h
> more) & just about running them off the road.
>
> Staying within their lane & hence _not_ running into cars in the
> neighbouring lanes would be a big positive, as well ...
>

So if the same was said above but using cars instead then it would be ok ???
Time to build a bridge and have some car drivers jump off it ..
If you know a heavy driver, go for a ride for a day and you will see
that sometimes you just have to inconvenience some drivers..

From:	Forg
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:22:57 +1100

Oh Well wrote:
....
> If you know a heavy driver, go for a ride for
> a day and you will see that sometimes you just
> have to inconvenience some drivers..
....

Almost every morning I stop at the lights at the intersection of King
Georges Road & the M5 in Sydney. And every second morning, trucks come
around the corner, fan out across all three lanes, and lumber up the
hill almost next to each other (not quite next to each other, because
they only accelerate as quickly as each other & they've come from 2
lanes into 3, but they're close enough so nobody can get past them).
They then continue to block the road for kilometres. They don't _need_
to, they just want to.

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From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:35:01 GMT

"Diesel Dog (not Damo)"
> Beat me to it. :-)
> I don't think many people would like to constantly hear clikity clack all
> day and all night long with trains constantly passing your house. :-) Or
> worse having to constantly drive over train lines over and over and over.
> Before I even got my truck license my attitude was they suck and they
> should be banned! After driving them now its a totally different view on
> things. So I tell the knockers get over the other side of the cab and see
> for yourself before knocking us truckers. :-)
>

Dan drivers that have accidents with a heavy (like on a round-about) should
have to spend a day or two as a passenger in a heavy ( shit I could have
a little fun with someone like that sitting to my left )( yes 18 years
driving
doing long haul around our great country)..

Cheers
Rob

From:	Uncle Bully
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:42:14 +1100

> Before I even got my truck license my attitude was they suck and they
> should be banned! After driving them now its a totally different view on
> things. So I tell the knockers get over the other side of the cab and see
> for yourself before knocking us truckers. :-)

Same. And true with bikes too.
I think it'd make a big step towards safer roads if every user had to learn
at least a little about the other vehicles that you share the road with.

From:	feral
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:42:27 +1100

Uncle Bully wrote:

>>Before I even got my truck license my attitude was they suck and they
>>should be banned! After driving them now its a totally different view on
>>things. So I tell the knockers get over the other side of the cab and see
>>for yourself before knocking us truckers. :-)
>
>
> Same. And true with bikes too.
> I think it'd make a big step towards safer roads if every user had to learn
> at least a little about the other vehicles that you share the road with.
>
>
Truckers included?

From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:56:58 +1100

Uncle Bully wrote:

>
>
> Same. And true with bikes too.
> I think it'd make a big step towards safer roads if every user had to learn
> at least a little about the other vehicles that you share the road with.

Agreed thats why I am going in for my motorcycles license this year.

--
Regards Dan

From:	Forg
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:19:27 +1100

Uncle Bully wrote:
....
> I think it'd make a big step towards safer
> roads if every user had to learn at least
> a little about the other vehicles that you
> share the road with.
....

Ah, but the truck drivers undoubtedly drive cars too; they know how much
of an impediment to traffic three semis dragging each other up King
Georges Road side by side at 30km/h are, they just don't give a toss.

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From:	D Walford
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:23:47 +1100

Uncle Bully wrote:
>
> "Charlie" wrote in message
> news:41F20012.CD5718EC@nospam.org...
> > Michael wrote:
> >
> >> If you don't know the road rules, do all other people on the road a
> >> favour,
> >> take your car back to the dealer and tell them you're too stupid to own
> >> it.
> >>
> >> It's your legal responsibility to know the road rules at all times,
> >> irrespective of whether they were around when you first got your license.
> >> (Turning right in front of a left turning car is no excuse just because
> >> that rule applied in Victoria 50 years ago).
> >>
> >> You may know common sense, but unfortunately a lot of people don't. Just
> >> ask the morons who sit in the right lane of a freeway in their
> >> unroadworthy
> >> shitboxes doing 80km/h.
> >
> > you reckon you have a complete and total understanding of every road law
> > in australia? I'd suggest that very few people do. I'd also suggest
> > it's unnecessary. No doubt you and other members of the High Horse
> > Riding Club will have suitable overly concerned responses to this
> > though...
>
> Yeah but this is a real obvious one, I mean trucks even have it written in
> yellow and red across the back of their vehicles.
> Even if you didn't know the rules, surely you paid attention to the bohemoth
> that just cut in front of you?

Its not that simple, the OP didn't say anything about turning trucks,
just trucks going through a roundabout.

Daryl

From:	George W. Frost
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:20:52 GMT

"Charlie" wrote in message
news:41F1BEC6.E2D14751@nospam.org...
> Uncle Bully wrote:
>
> > Um you need to know this to get your license. Perhaps you could do us
all a
> > favour and hand your's back...
>
> needed to know it when? 50 years ago? There are shitloads of people
> out there that won't know the technicalities of this one, and just get
> by on a mix of common sense and luck... at least he's asking. I don't
> know the specific 'law' but I know the safe way to deal with it...
>
> Charlie

There are shit loads of drivers out there who know fuck all about most of
the rules, they just learn enough to get their licence, then all learning
goes out the window

From:	PlaneGuy
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:48:21 +1100

Off the top of my head, I thought it was vehicles over 9m in length can take
two lanes when turning, and this includes roundabouts. Add to that the
"don't overtake turning vehicle" lables on the back, and any car driver that
tries to pass a truck on a roundabout (even if the truck is not legally
allowed both lanes) is an absolute fool.

From:	Scott Hillard
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:58:05 +1100

"Matt" wrote in message
news:aab206ab.0501211703.ed9cce3@posting.google.com...

> I was just wondering whether trucks are allowed to take up both lanes
> of a roundabout when going around? I understand that large semis may
> not have a choice, however I have experienced on many occasions trucks
> not staying in their lanes and forcing cars in those lanes to slow
> down/stop.

He with the most mass, wins.

That's all you need to know.

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:33:37 GMT

DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE

Seems clear to me......

From:	D Walford
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:01:36 +1100

veritas wrote:
>
> DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE
>
> Seems clear to me......

But is a truck driving straight through a roundabout turning?

Daryl

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:16:26 GMT

D Walford wrote:
> veritas wrote:
>
>>DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE
>>
>>Seems clear to me......
>
>
> But is a truck driving straight through a roundabout turning?

NEGATIVE! But you knew that.....
>
>
>
> Daryl

From:	feral
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:29:34 +1100

D Walford wrote:
> veritas wrote:
>
>>DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE
>>
>>Seems clear to me......
>
>
> But is a truck driving straight through a roundabout turning?

Nah, he's deviating to the left, the right and the left again.

He's a deviate. ;-)

--

Take Care
Feral

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:29:46 GMT

D Walford wrote:
> veritas wrote:
>
>>DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE
>>
>>Seems clear to me......
>
>
> But is a truck driving straight through a roundabout turning?
>
>
>
> Daryl

I believe that it is....

From:	D Walford
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:34:34 +1100

veritas wrote:
>
> D Walford wrote:
> > veritas wrote:
> >
> >>DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE
> >>
> >>Seems clear to me......
> >
> >
> > But is a truck driving straight through a roundabout turning?
> >
> >
> >
> > Daryl
>
> I believe that it is....

I know it isn't and on a large roundabout there is no reason a semi
can't stay in its lane.
I also know the semi driver would fail a driving test if he didn't stay
in his lane or touched a kerb when going through a roundabout.

Daryl

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:04:58 GMT

D Walford wrote:
> veritas wrote:
>
>>D Walford wrote:
>>
>>>veritas wrote:
>>>
>>>>DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE
>>>>
>>>>Seems clear to me......
>>>
>>>But is a truck driving straight through a roundabout turning?
>>
>>I believe that it is....
>
> I know it isn't and on a large roundabout there is no reason a semi
> can't stay in its lane.

Agreed - "on a *large* roundabout" BUT....... That wasn't the argument - was it?

However, the law ACTUALLY provides for a large vehicle to "run over" the *centre* dome# on small
roundabouts....

# That is why they put domes that can be driven on in the centre of small roundabouts instead
of walled gardens (or the like) as they do for the larger ones.

> I also know the semi driver would fail a driving test if he didn't stay
> in his lane or touched a kerb when going through a roundabout.

Unfortunately, all roundabouts are not the same. But you know that :)

I would like to see a semi not use *all* of the roadway at; Pacific Hwy southbound at the cnr of
Kerr and River Streets OR Kerr and Fox Streets Ballina - of course these are just two of many
hundreds of 'too-small' roundabouts in Australia - but these are high profile being part of the
Pacific Hwy.

I have noticed that some roundabouts have two lanes entering AND leaving - but no marked lanes
actually *within* the roundabout itself.

Conversely, to cite a roundabout that is (very) large; Pacific Hwy, Beenleigh! Lots o' those
about too!

You can't just choose what size roundabout suits you to use as an example to support a
discussion about (all) roundabouts.

=======================

Here is some Queensland law:

290 Driving on a traffic island

A driver must not drive on a traffic island (except the central traffic
island in a roundabout), unless the traffic island is designed to allow
vehicles to be driven on it.

====

143 Passing or overtaking a vehicle displaying a do not overtake turning vehicle sign;

(1) A driver................ NR

(2) A driver must not drive past, or overtake, to the right of a vehicle
*displaying a do not overtake turning vehicle sign if the vehicle is turning
right*, OR making a U–turn from the centre of the road, and is giving a right
change of direction signal, unless it is safe to do so.

Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

================================

I still contend that if a vehicle is negotiating a roundabout "straight thru" he *must* make
both a LH and a RH 'turn' to negotiate the 'island' or marked lanes. Obviously if he was in the
RH lane, he would turn left to exit. If he was in the LH lane - he would be turning right upon
passing the first exit (less that half way around) - then left to exit half way around (straight
thru)

It is a pity that this does not seem to have been made crystal clear in the regulations....

Cheers

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:11:52 GMT

"veritas"
> I would like to see a semi not use *all* of the roadway at; Pacific Hwy
> southbound at the cnr of Kerr and River Streets OR Kerr and Fox Streets
> Ballina - of course these are just two of many hundreds of 'too-small'
> roundabouts in Australia - but these are high profile being part of the
> Pacific Hwy.

I would like to see that !!! the sooner they put a bypass around that dump
the better
the run south would be ..

BTW do you think you could drive my truck around that round-about with out
crossing the lines ???? If you think you could let me know and I will make
a time to
meet you and you can drive my truck around there to SHOW me how it's done..

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:23:54 GMT

Oh Well wrote:
> "veritas"
>
>>I would like to see a semi not use *all* of the roadway at; Pacific Hwy
>>southbound at the cnr of Kerr and River Streets OR Kerr and Fox Streets
>>Ballina - of course these are just two of many hundreds of 'too-small'
>>roundabouts in Australia - but these are high profile being part of the
>>Pacific Hwy.
>
>
> I would like to see that !!! the sooner they put a bypass around that dump
> the better the run south would be ..
>
> BTW do you think you could drive my truck around that round-about with out
> crossing the lines ???? If you think you could let me know and I will make
> a time to meet you and you can drive my truck around there to SHOW me how it's done..

HUH?
>
>
Your comments have been noted - but I said "I would like to see a semi not use *all* of the
roadway at..."

It seems that you agree with me yet still want to argue :)

Very confusing....

Cheers

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:27:37 GMT

"veritas"
>> BTW do you think you could drive my truck around that round-about with
>> out
>> crossing the lines ???? If you think you could let me know and I will
>> make a time to meet you and you can drive my truck around there to SHOW
>> me how it's done..
>
> HUH?
>>
>>
> Your comments have been noted - but I said "I would like to see a semi not
> use *all* of the roadway at..."
>
> It seems that you agree with me yet still want to argue :)
>

Not arguing just want to see it done....

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:36:17 GMT

Oh Well wrote:
> "veritas"
>
>>>BTW do you think you could drive my truck around that round-about with
>>>out
>>>crossing the lines ???? If you think you could let me know and I will
>>>make a time to meet you and you can drive my truck around there to SHOW
>>>me how it's done..
>>
>>HUH?
>>
>>>
>>Your comments have been noted - but I said "I would like to see a semi not
>>use *all* of the roadway at..."
>>
>>It seems that you agree with me yet still want to argue :)
>>
>
>
> Not arguing just want to see it done....
>
>
Fair enough - you would also like see it..... as would I :)

Those roundabouts are not all that easy to keep to one lane in a school bus even.

Cheers.

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:08:57 GMT

"veritas"
> Fair enough - you would also like see it..... as would I :)
>
> Those roundabouts are not all that easy to keep to one lane in a school
> bus even.

To tight on the left side entry to not have to drag out wide so as to not
put the tri
over the gutter

Cheers

From:	veritas
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:25:47 GMT

Oh Well wrote:
> "veritas"
>
>>Fair enough - you would also like see it..... as would I :)
>>
>>Those roundabouts are not all that easy to keep to one lane in a school
>>bus even.
>
>
> To tight on the left side entry to not have to drag out wide so as to not
> put the tri
> over the gutter
>
> Cheers
>
>
The "new" Ballina bypass (dedicated before Kerr St was sealed) has been on the books since the
early 70's. It supposed to go from Galleons Lane (right angle to the hwy just before the
airport) south to the Teven turnoff...... (just south of the big prawn) It's only 2 or 3 km in
a straight line.

One day!!!!

Cheers

From:	Oh Well
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:22:42 GMT

It will be good as we will pick up app 20min

"veritas" <
> The "new" Ballina bypass (dedicated before Kerr St was sealed) has been on
> the books since the early 70's. It supposed to go from Galleons Lane
> (right angle to the hwy just before the airport) south to the Teven
> turnoff...... (just south of the big prawn) It's only 2 or 3 km in a
> straight line.
>

From:	Hidiho
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:38:39 +1100

In article ,
veritas@coldmail.com says...

> Fair enough - you would also like see it..... as would I :)
>
> Those roundabouts are not all that easy to keep to one lane in a school bus even.
>
> Cheers.
>

Hi All,

I live in Canberra the Capital of roundabouts and a fair few of our
roundabouts tend to form into one lane as soon as you have exited the
roundabout, so here we have the added problem of drivers racing to beat
you through the roundabout and/or racing you to the form one lane to get
there first.

And as far as getting around the roundabouts without crossing the lines
in a school bus is no drama providing you know how to drive a school
bus.

http://users.tpg.com.au/adslfqq0/images/Phot0001.jpg

This picture is my school bus which I drive in the mornings and every
morning I go through the roundabouts on the way to Gungahalin (Canberra)
and every morning someone tries to race past while I'm in the left lane,
strangely enough very few manage to beat me through the roundabout...

Cheers
Hidiho

P.S. I'll keep the picture on my server for a week

From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: Trucks on roundabouts?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:43 +1100

Hidiho wrote:

re first.

> And as far as getting around the roundabouts without crossing the lines
> in a school bus is no drama providing you know how to drive a school
> bus.

Especially an articulated bus. :-)

>
> http://users.tpg.com.au/adslfqq0/images/Phot0001.jpg
>
> This picture is my school bus which I drive in the mornings and every
> morning I go through the roundabouts on the way to Gungahalin (Canberra)
> and every morning someone tries to race past while I'm in the left lane,
> strangely enough very few manage to beat me through the roundabout...

Heh been a while since I have seen a Renault/Mack bus. :-)<