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From:Rowland Croucher
Subject:Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:37:57 +1100
Telstra Phone Number - pls read


Hi everyone,


For anyone contemplating using the Sensis directory service number,
1234,
Sensis, as you may or may not know, is a subsidiary of Telstra.

The 1234 number is replacing the Telstra 12456 directory assistance
number,
but this time with outrageous costs attached: 40c to call the number,
then
4c A SECOND!

With this sort of pricing structure in place, it's no wonder so many
Australians hold Telstra in the same regard as the major banks.

By law, Telstra have to provide a FREE directory assistance number,
because
they are still majority owned by the government. They choose however not
to
pass this number on to the public.

What's the number? 1223.

Thumbs up to Telstra for finding a way to charge for a service that is
supposed to be provided for free.


Of course, feel free to forward this on.


Ben Hardwick
Lawyer
Commercial Litigation Department
Slater & Gordon

--
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From:jg
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:50:39 GMT

"Rowland Croucher" wrote in
message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> For anyone contemplating using the Sensis directory service number,
> 1234,
> Sensis, as you may or may not know, is a subsidiary of Telstra.
>
> The 1234 number is replacing the Telstra 12456 directory assistance
> number,
> but this time with outrageous costs attached: 40c to call the number,
> then
> 4c A SECOND!
>
> With this sort of pricing structure in place, it's no wonder so many
> Australians hold Telstra in the same regard as the major banks.
>
> By law, Telstra have to provide a FREE directory assistance number,
> because
> they are still majority owned by the government. They choose however not
> to
> pass this number on to the public.
>
> What's the number? 1223.
>
> Thumbs up to Telstra for finding a way to charge for a service that is
> supposed to be provided for free.
>
>
Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for info
on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be desperate
to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
From:Chris McDonald
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:59:19 +0000 (UTC)
"jg" writes:

>...... In fact you have to be desperate
>to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.


As opposed to what, smoke signals?

-
Chris,
From:veritas
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:21:07 GMT
jg wrote:
>
> Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for info
> on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be desperate
> to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.

Yeah! All of 'em are as useless as tits on a bull......

But I did read that those useless bastards at Optus are ahead on sales (at the moment)

Cheers.....
>
>
From:Sunny
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:27:21 GMT

"veritas" wrote in message
news:TM8vd.70670$K7.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> jg wrote:
>>
>> Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for
>> info
>> on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be
>> desperate
>> to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
>
> Yeah! All of 'em are as useless as tits on a bull......
>
> But I did read that those useless bastards at Optus are ahead on sales (at
> the moment)

15 Km from Bne CBD and Optus mobile is useless inside my house.
(Telstra is loud and clear) :-)
From:Mike
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:35:58 +1030

jg wrote in message ...
>
>"Rowland Croucher" wrote in
>message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>> For anyone contemplating using the Sensis directory service number,
>> 1234,
>> Sensis, as you may or may not know, is a subsidiary of Telstra.
>>
>> The 1234 number is replacing the Telstra 12456 directory assistance
>> number,
>> but this time with outrageous costs attached: 40c to call the number,
>> then
>> 4c A SECOND!
>>
>> With this sort of pricing structure in place, it's no wonder so many
>> Australians hold Telstra in the same regard as the major banks.
>>
>> By law, Telstra have to provide a FREE directory assistance number,
>> because
>> they are still majority owned by the government. They choose however not
>> to
>> pass this number on to the public.
>>
>> What's the number? 1223.
>>
>> Thumbs up to Telstra for finding a way to charge for a service that is
>> supposed to be provided for free.
>>
>>
>Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for info
>on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be desperate
>to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
>
>

Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national telecommunications
network? I heard it's really easy.
Let me know when it's up and running,,,,,,,,
From:jg
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:22:12 GMT

"Mike" wrote in message
news:cpj7vo$k32$1@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au...
>
> jg wrote in message ...
> >
> >"Rowland Croucher" wrote in
> >message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >>
> >> For anyone contemplating using the Sensis directory service number,
> >> 1234,
> >> Sensis, as you may or may not know, is a subsidiary of Telstra.
> >>
> >> The 1234 number is replacing the Telstra 12456 directory assistance
> >> number,
> >> but this time with outrageous costs attached: 40c to call the number,
> >> then
> >> 4c A SECOND!
> >>
> >> With this sort of pricing structure in place, it's no wonder so many
> >> Australians hold Telstra in the same regard as the major banks.
> >>
> >> By law, Telstra have to provide a FREE directory assistance number,
> >> because
> >> they are still majority owned by the government. They choose however
not
> >> to
> >> pass this number on to the public.
> >>
> >> What's the number? 1223.
> >>
> >> Thumbs up to Telstra for finding a way to charge for a service that is
> >> supposed to be provided for free.
> >>
> >>
> >Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for
info
> >on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be
desperate
> >to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
> >
> >
> Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national telecommunications
> network? I heard it's really easy.
> Let me know when it's up and running,,,,,,,,
>
However easy or hard it is, you have to be desparate to use it because it's
almost beyond affordability.
From:Stephen Oakes
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:35:30 GMT

"Mike" wrote...
> Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national telecommunications
> network? I heard it's really easy.

It was developed over many years by people much more competent than the
current mob, and was running quite well for many years too.

It shouldn't be that hard to *keep* it running.

--
Stephen Oakes
From:DBDriver
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:04:18 GMT

"Stephen Oakes" wrote in message
news:mvcvd.71031$K7.53788@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Mike" wrote...
>> Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national telecommunications
>> network? I heard it's really easy.
>
> It was developed over many years by people much more competent than the
> current mob, and was running quite well for many years too.
>
> It shouldn't be that hard to *keep* it running.
>
> --
> Stephen Oakes
>

Keep it running isn't sufficient! There is a massive overall process needed
NOW! It's already underway (slowly) and it is costing bulk dollars. This is
to drag the infrastructure up to basic DSL compatibility. Hardly sufficient
for the VoIP and related services that will be coming our way shortly. How
competitive can our industries be in the world when we have such ordinary
telephonic services? Oh well, back to the mining and agricultural based
economy again..

I half suspect the move to sell Telstra was less about competition or debt
repayment and more to do with the big bills coming down the track. I
remember one of the problems with Qantas was the big bills needed to keep it
competitive. No problems now for the government coffers.

I don't know what country you used to live in but the client services have
picked up noticeably from Telstra since the time it was fully publicly
owned. The back bone services are the problem due to the legacy structure in
place and the difficulty upgrading it (a planning hangover from those "good
ol' days"). Surprise surprise, there is no direct competitor to Telstra in
back bone services either so call charges are higher than they should be.

RJ.
From:Bigbazza
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:30:20 +1100

"Mike" wrote in message
news:cpj7vo$k32$1@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au...
>
> jg wrote in message ...
>>
>>"Rowland Croucher" wrote in
>>message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>>>
(Snipped for Brevity....)
>>>
>>Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for info
>>on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be desperate
>>to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
>>
>>
>
> Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national telecommunications
> network? I heard it's really easy.
> Let me know when it's up and running,,,,,,,,
>
>

I don't really think that the 'General' run of the public that criticise
Telstra or the Other carriers (of Telstra's line).Really realise that when
they compare our 'Australian' Telephone System (Telstra's Wires)...to the
rest of the world they forget that we here are a nation of only some 20
million people...Not 260 Million like the USA(for instance)...and in excess
of 50 million in England, etc ...Now take any of the European Countries and
compare their 'Land Mass Size' to ours ! then to that 'much reduced' land
size...introduce many ,many millions more people to the Country.....Then
consider...The wiring that needs to take place to 'reach' their cities etc,
etc.... Now look at our Country..The Mass of land that we have and great
distances between the cities and Towns...Then re-remember that we have ONLY
20 millions people to help pay for it ....!!!

Obviously we will alway's have a problem; and be behind these other
countries..We do not have the 'Population' to 'Pay for it...or to make it
'Pay' !!

The USA has about the same land mass as we have and have over 260 million
people to 'Pay for it..or to make it 'Pay'..!!

So why keep winging about 'Telstra' all the time....As 'Mike' say's...Let us
'know' when you have something better to 'offer' !!

--
Bigbazza(Barry)..Oz
From:jg
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:08:04 GMT

"Bigbazza" wrote in message
news:329ltsF3jnh83U1@individual.net...
>
> "Mike" wrote in message
> news:cpj7vo$k32$1@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au...
> >
> > jg wrote in message ...
> >>
> >>"Rowland Croucher" wrote in
> >>message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
> >>>
> (Snipped for Brevity....)
> >>>
> >>Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for
info
> >>on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be
desperate
> >>to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national
telecommunications
> > network? I heard it's really easy.
> > Let me know when it's up and running,,,,,,,,
> >
> >
>
> I don't really think that the 'General' run of the public that criticise
> Telstra or the Other carriers (of Telstra's line).Really realise that when
> they compare our 'Australian' Telephone System (Telstra's Wires)...to the
> rest of the world they forget that we here are a nation of only some 20
> million people...Not 260 Million like the USA(for instance)...and in
excess
> of 50 million in England, etc ...Now take any of the European Countries
and
> compare their 'Land Mass Size' to ours ! then to that 'much reduced' land
> size...introduce many ,many millions more people to the Country.....Then
> consider...The wiring that needs to take place to 'reach' their cities
etc,
> etc.... Now look at our Country..The Mass of land that we have and great
> distances between the cities and Towns...Then re-remember that we have
ONLY
> 20 millions people to help pay for it ....!!!
>
> Obviously we will alway's have a problem; and be behind these other
> countries..We do not have the 'Population' to 'Pay for it...or to make it
> 'Pay' !!
>
> The USA has about the same land mass as we have and have over 260
million
> people to 'Pay for it..or to make it 'Pay'..!!
>
> So why keep winging about 'Telstra' all the time....As 'Mike' say's...Let
us
> 'know' when you have something better to 'offer' !!
>
Telstra posted a record net profit of $4.12 billion for the year ending June
30 2004, so it seems to be managing despite the population thing. Companies
incessantly call with "better offers" so tele-service providing must be a
winner financially - all based on my phone bill. But more than that, it's
the feeling of price fear every time you pick up the mobile for instance,
the resentment when it doesn't work 100 yards out of town, and mostly
Telstra's being flogged off with that profit going into shareholders'
pockets. Maybe it's a case of shooting the messenger (literally) but there
is a lot of frustration out there about the fire sale.
From:Bigbazza
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:37:31 +1100

"jg" wrote in message
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>
> "Bigbazza" wrote in message
> news:329ltsF3jnh83U1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Mike" wrote in message
>> news:cpj7vo$k32$1@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au...
>> >
>> > jg wrote in message ...
>> >>
>> >>"Rowland Croucher" wrote
>> >>in
>> >>message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> >>> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>> >>>
>> (Snipped for Brevity....)
>> >>>
>> >>Not too surprised, but you'd have to be desperate to call Telstra for
> info
>> >>on anything except how to get rich quick. In fact you have to be
> desperate
>> >>to use their (or anyone else's) bloody telephone service.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Perhaps you could develop and manage a better national
> telecommunications
>> > network? I heard it's really easy.
>> > Let me know when it's up and running,,,,,,,,
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I don't really think that the 'General' run of the public that criticise
>> Telstra or the Other carriers (of Telstra's line).Really realise that
>> when
>> they compare our 'Australian' Telephone System (Telstra's Wires)...to the
>> rest of the world they forget that we here are a nation of only some 20
>> million people...Not 260 Million like the USA(for instance)...and in
> excess
>> of 50 million in England, etc ...Now take any of the European Countries
> and
>> compare their 'Land Mass Size' to ours ! then to that 'much reduced'
>> land
>> size...introduce many ,many millions more people to the Country.....Then
>> consider...The wiring that needs to take place to 'reach' their cities
> etc,
>> etc.... Now look at our Country..The Mass of land that we have and great
>> distances between the cities and Towns...Then re-remember that we have
> ONLY
>> 20 millions people to help pay for it ....!!!
>>
>> Obviously we will alway's have a problem; and be behind these other
>> countries..We do not have the 'Population' to 'Pay for it...or to make it
>> 'Pay' !!
>>
>> The USA has about the same land mass as we have and have over 260
> million
>> people to 'Pay for it..or to make it 'Pay'..!!
>>
>> So why keep winging about 'Telstra' all the time....As 'Mike' say's...Let
> us
>> 'know' when you have something better to 'offer' !!
>>
> Telstra posted a record net profit of $4.12 billion for the year ending
> June
> 30 2004, so it seems to be managing despite the population thing.
> Companies
> incessantly call with "better offers" so tele-service providing must be a
> winner financially - all based on my phone bill. But more than that, it's
> the feeling of price fear every time you pick up the mobile for instance,
> the resentment when it doesn't work 100 yards out of town, and mostly
> Telstra's being flogged off with that profit going into shareholders'
> pockets. Maybe it's a case of shooting the messenger (literally) but there
> is a lot of frustration out there about the fire sale.
>
>

But don't forget...jg...They are still using the wiring that is already in
place ! and has been for years..(with new wiring happening in Cities
only)...No further 'Extension' of the wiring systems though !...These
'competitors' are not 'paying' for 'extensions' to the wiring system....They
'All' hang on Telstra !....Nobody extends the 'wiring' system though ! do
they ?.And if Telstra does...They 'Have to recoup' the 'Costs'....Now don't
they ??

--
Bigbazza(Barry)..Oz
From:jg
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:36:00 GMT

"Bigbazza" wrote in message
news:32cvqdF3l03ktU1@individual.net...
>
> "jg" wrote in message
> news:oWUvd.73779$K7.24155@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
..............................> >>
> > Telstra posted a record net profit of $4.12 billion for the year ending
> > June
> > 30 2004, so it seems to be managing despite the population thing.
> > Companies
> > incessantly call with "better offers" so tele-service providing must be
a
> > winner financially - all based on my phone bill. But more than that,
it's
> > the feeling of price fear every time you pick up the mobile for
instance,
> > the resentment when it doesn't work 100 yards out of town, and mostly
> > Telstra's being flogged off with that profit going into shareholders'
> > pockets. Maybe it's a case of shooting the messenger (literally) but
there
> > is a lot of frustration out there about the fire sale.
> >
> >
>
> But don't forget...jg...They are still using the wiring that is already in
> place ! and has been for years..(with new wiring happening in Cities
> only)...No further 'Extension' of the wiring systems though !...These
> 'competitors' are not 'paying' for 'extensions' to the wiring
system....They
> 'All' hang on Telstra !....Nobody extends the 'wiring' system though ! do
> they ?.And if Telstra does...They 'Have to recoup' the 'Costs'....Now
don't
> they ??
>
Not sure of your point, I don't believe the competitors offer much specially
when the wiring fails & telstra has to fix it - I believe it's quicker if
you are with telstra & that's a cost. For the optuses to fall over
themselves as they do for my business there must be big potential for them
(not for me). I resent them using "my" wires too just as I resent the public
owned telstra being flogged off, but I'm not punishing them for that. It
just costs a lot to use the phone that's all.
From:Pop
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:31:32 GMT
Wait till Johnny gets his way and privatises it THEN you will be complaining
just like every other liberal voter!



"Rowland Croucher" wrote in
message news:41bd0085$0$1121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> For anyone contemplating using the Sensis directory service number,
> 1234,
> Sensis, as you may or may not know, is a subsidiary of Telstra.
>
> The 1234 number is replacing the Telstra 12456 directory assistance
> number,
> but this time with outrageous costs attached: 40c to call the number,
> then
> 4c A SECOND!
>
> With this sort of pricing structure in place, it's no wonder so many
> Australians hold Telstra in the same regard as the major banks.
>
> By law, Telstra have to provide a FREE directory assistance number,
> because
> they are still majority owned by the government. They choose however not
> to
> pass this number on to the public.
>
> What's the number? 1223.
>
> Thumbs up to Telstra for finding a way to charge for a service that is
> supposed to be provided for free.
>
>
> Of course, feel free to forward this on.
>
>
> Ben Hardwick
> Lawyer
> Commercial Litigation Department
> Slater & Gordon
>
> --
> *
> Shalom! Rowland Croucher
> * *
> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/ *
> (14000 articles, 3000 clean jokes/stories, 1m. hits/month)
> *
>
>
From:Walter Plinge
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:55:47 +1100

"Pop" wrote in message
news:8cevd.71179$K7.13421@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Wait till Johnny gets his way and privatises it THEN you will be
> complaining
> just like every other liberal voter!

Bollocks - lefty crap. Public ownership is a socialistic dinosaur. Look at
the trains in NSW - pathetic.
From:John
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:29:29 +1100

"Walter Plinge" wrote in message
news:41c6a1a7$0$4533$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "Pop" wrote in message
> news:8cevd.71179$K7.13421@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Wait till Johnny gets his way and privatises it THEN you will be
>> complaining
>> just like every other liberal voter!
>
> Bollocks - lefty crap. Public ownership is a socialistic dinosaur. Look at
> the trains in NSW - pathetic.

Try the trains in Melbourne or England then.
From:Walter Plinge
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:04:44 +1100

"John" wrote in message
news:cq8cbp$f07$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>
> "Walter Plinge" wrote in message
> news:41c6a1a7$0$4533$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> "Pop" wrote in message
>> news:8cevd.71179$K7.13421@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> Wait till Johnny gets his way and privatises it THEN you will be
>>> complaining
>>> just like every other liberal voter!
>>
>> Bollocks - lefty crap. Public ownership is a socialistic dinosaur. Look
>> at the trains in NSW - pathetic.
>
> Try the trains in Melbourne or England then.

Exactly. Thank you very much. The trains (and public transport as a whole)
in Melbourne are far superior to NSW. When the the unions ran the system in
the Kane/Kirner years it is was a disaster - strike, strike strike, trams
welded to the tracks and so on.

The problem in the UK (as well as England, as it happens) is the track
network.
From:David Clayton
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:23:25 +1100
"Walter Plinge" contributed the
following:
.....
>Exactly. Thank you very much. The trains (and public transport as a whole)
>in Melbourne are far superior to NSW. When the the unions ran the system in
>the Kane/Kirner years it is was a disaster - strike, strike strike, trams
>welded to the tracks and so on.
>
What rubbish, one major strike in the tram system over the removal of
conductors and this sort of myth develops?

- -
Regards, David.

David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
(Remove the "XYZ." to reply)

Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
From:Craig Ian Dewick
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:01:54 +0000 (UTC)
"Walter Plinge" writes:

>"John" wrote in message
>news:cq8cbp$f07$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>> "Walter Plinge" wrote in message
>> news:41c6a1a7$0$4533$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Pop" wrote in message
>>> news:8cevd.71179$K7.13421@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> Wait till Johnny gets his way and privatises it THEN you will be
>>>> complaining
>>>> just like every other liberal voter!
>>>
>>> Bollocks - lefty crap. Public ownership is a socialistic dinosaur. Look
>>> at the trains in NSW - pathetic.
>>
>> Try the trains in Melbourne or England then.

>Exactly. Thank you very much. The trains (and public transport as a whole)
>in Melbourne are far superior to NSW. When the the unions ran the system in
>the Kane/Kirner years it is was a disaster - strike, strike strike, trams
>welded to the tracks and so on.

Interesting comparison.... But for anyone who only sees the trains in Sydney
from the passenger's perspective you are only getting half, or less, of the
full picture about what things have become the way they are.

What the government (via their media-connected spin-doctors) tells the
general public is rarely true enough to actually give any credibility to.

>The problem in the UK (as well as England, as it happens) is the track
>network.

That's part of the problem, but it is by no means the main factor. That
said, if the physical network was structured better, fixing the other
problems would have a much more beneficial impact.

Regards,

Craig.
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From:Dick
Subject:Re: Telstra Rip-Off
Date:Fri, 24 Dec 2004 05:41:23 GMT

"Walter Plinge" wrote in message
news:41c6a1a7$0$4533$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>


> Bollocks - lefty crap. Public ownership is a socialistic dinosaur.

Ha you are a goose like the idiots who run business in this country just
look at the profit and all will be right.
From:Gregory Toomey
Subject:Slater & Gordon spamming usenet?
Date:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:45:06 +1000
Who is Rowland Croucher, is he working for Slater and Gordon, do they know
he is sending this?

> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>
> What's the number? 1223.

Anyone with half a brain has known this for years.

>
> Of course, feel free to forward this on.

Standard spamming advice.

>
> Ben Hardwick
> Lawyer
> Commercial Litigation Department
> Slater & Gordon

Looks like a real address.

http://www.slatergordon.com.au/HTML/prac_area_compacquisition.htm


gtoomey
From:Bigbazza
Subject:Re: Slater & Gordon spamming usenet?
Date:Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:26:31 +1100

"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
news:325kn2F3eo8utU2@individual.net...
> Who is Rowland Croucher, is he working for Slater and Gordon, do they
> know
> he is sending this?
>
>> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>>
>> What's the number? 1223.
>
> Anyone with half a brain has known this for years.
>
>>
>> Of course, feel free to forward this on.
>
> Standard spamming advice.
>
>>
>> Ben Hardwick
>> Lawyer
>> Commercial Litigation Department
>> Slater & Gordon
>
> Looks like a real address.
>
> http://www.slatergordon.com.au/HTML/prac_area_compacquisition.htm
>
>
> gtoomey

He is a 'Baptist' Minister...Greg !

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From:Bigbazza
Subject:Re: Slater & Gordon spamming usenet?
Date:Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:39:04 +1100

"Bigbazza" wrote in message
news:329p77F3jasm6U1@individual.net...
>
> "Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
> news:325kn2F3eo8utU2@individual.net...
>> Who is Rowland Croucher, is he working for Slater and Gordon, do they
>> know
>> he is sending this?
>>
>>> Telstra Phone Number - pls read
>>>
>>> What's the number? 1223.
>>
>> Anyone with half a brain has known this for years.
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, feel free to forward this on.
>>
>> Standard spamming advice.
>>
>>>
>>> Ben Hardwick
>>> Lawyer
>>> Commercial Litigation Department
>>> Slater & Gordon
>>
>> Looks like a real address.
>>
>> http://www.slatergordon.com.au/HTML/prac_area_compacquisition.htm
>>
>>
>> gtoomey
>
> He is a 'Baptist' Minister...Greg !
>
> --
> Bigbazza(Barry)..Oz
>

NO RESPONSE....Greg ??

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