From:	sales at ___Email_Address_on_Web_site (SalesMart.com.au)
Subject:	COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:43:03 GMT

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
Email Contact info on the above site.

SalesMart sells DVD Media and DVD Cases Australia wide.
DVD Media, DVD Cases are sent out Registered Post with Delivery
Confirmation Australia Wide. Please email me your post code when
requesting delivery so I can get back to you nice and quickly with a
price and how to pay to have it sent out.

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Pioneer DVR-109 (Beige)
16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a Spindle of 50 ORiON
DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media.
With Nero 6.6 OEM Suite 3
Due out next week

Pioneer DVR-109BK (Black)
16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a Spindle of 50 ORiON
DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media.
With Nero 6.6 OEM Suite 3
Due out next week

SalesMart sells LG DVD Burners Australia wide as there is Australia
wide support for these drives. SalesMart sells the Pioneer
DVR-109/A09XL drives to Perth WA, Sydney NSW and Melbourne VIC as this
is where there is end user support by Pioneer Australia if customers
require it.

More info on these new drives at:
http://www.salesmart.com.au/dvdrw/dvd_burners/

Prices and specifications are subject to change without notice.

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:07:59 +1100

> Pioneer DVR-109 (Beige)
> 16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a Spindle of 50 ORiON
> DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media.
> With Nero 6.6 OEM Suite 3
> Due out next week

So how much will they be?

From:	tp
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:55:02 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:07:59 +1100, Seth wrote:

>> Pioneer DVR-109 (Beige)
>> 16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a Spindle of 50 ORiON
>> DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media.
>> With Nero 6.6 OEM Suite 3
>> Due out next week
>
>So how much will they be?

According to the site $295.

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:40:43 +1100

>> So how much will they be?
>
> According to the site $295.

Thanks.

Pity it wasn't in the OP...

From:	Jimbo
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:06:37 GMT

"Seth" wrote in message
news:35dga6F4k679eU1@individual.net...
>> Pioneer DVR-109 (Beige) 16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a
>> Spindle of 50 ORiON
>> DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media. With Nero 6.6 OEM
>> Suite 3 Due out next week
>
> So how much will they be?

Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media, expect
them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!

From:	tp
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:54:33 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:06:37 GMT, "Jimbo" wrote:

>"Seth" wrote in message
>news:35dga6F4k679eU1@individual.net...
>>> Pioneer DVR-109 (Beige) 16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a
>>> Spindle of 50 ORiON
>>> DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media. With Nero 6.6 OEM
>>> Suite 3 Due out next week
>>
>> So how much will they be?
>
>Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media, expect
>them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!

I have been buying orion media from salesmart for little over 2 years
now. Been flawless so far. So hardly nasty media.

His orion gloss ones are the cheapest going in oz which plays in
everything under the sun.

Have a look at pcx who sell a gloss ink jet surface disk. They sell
the 4x gloss for $2.80 and a 8x gloss for $3.00 per pop. Orion gloss
are half that.

I have used 300 of the new orion 8x with two failed burns which was
not the medias fault because I had a power failure which ended the
burn early:(

Before that used orion 4x, 2x and 1x and has been flawless so far,
touch wood.

From:	am
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:00:49 GMT

From:	KJay
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:27:51 +0800

I've had no problems with DVD media bought from Salesmart and will continue
to do so.

Cheers..
Kevin

"Jimbo" wrote in message
news:xGhId.128466$K7.80374@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> "Seth" wrote in message
> news:35dga6F4k679eU1@individual.net...
>>> Pioneer DVR-109 (Beige) 16X External USB2 / Firewire DVD Burner With a
>>> Spindle of 50 ORiON
>>> DVD-R 8X GLOSS White Ink Jet Printable 4.7Gb Media. With Nero 6.6 OEM
>>> Suite 3 Due out next week
>>
>> So how much will they be?
>
> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media, expect
> them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>

From:	Samual
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:27:24 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:27:51 +0800, "KJay"
wrote:

>I've had no problems with DVD media bought from Salesmart and will continue
>to do so.

Even if you can buy better stuff much cheaper elsewhere ?

Bizarre

Sam

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100

>> So how much will they be?
>
>
> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!

I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
there again, however I haven't seen anyone else list the ext 109 which
I'm interested in.

From:	sales at ___Email_Address_on_Web_site (SalesMart.com.au)
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:58:52 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:

>>> So how much will they be?
>>
>>
>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>
>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go

That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.

I do have some RiDATA media that I bought in mid last year.
I made the terrible mistake of buying in DVD+R/+RW media which I will
never buy in again as its to slow moving and does not play in anywhere
near the number of DVD players as DVD-R media does.

Media is constantly changing. Because I sell to so many DVD Authoring
businesses across Australia I am constantly testing newer batches of
DVD media from different sources. If tests go well then I order media
in. If tests go bad I look elsewhere.

I have been selling DVD media since January 2002 and have a large
database of customers and DVD Authoring businesses I sell to. I have
to keep these customers happy so I don't lose sales. Its why I only
sell certain media and certain hardware.

For hardware I like the Pioneer DVD burners. Since selling these from
the Pioneer DVR-A04 through to the latest I've yet to see a single
drive require warranty work uisng Pioneer firmware which is great for
me as it means I do not need to go back and forth between suppliers
getting these replaced under warranty which is great for my line of
work.

I also sell the LG DVD burners for PC's and have been selling these
since the LG 4082B drives came out last year. No customer complaints
with these either.

From time to time I do get new customers that have only ever burnt to
CDR media. DVD burning is different. Certains things the ustomer needs
to know about which is why I have a support page.

The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
service.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
Email Contact info on the above site.

From:	Jimbo
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:49 GMT

"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>
>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>
>>>
>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>
>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>
> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.

Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker at
all!

From:	sales at ___Email_Address_on_Web_site (SalesMart.com.au)
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:07:09 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:49 GMT, "Jimbo" wrote:

>"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
>news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>>
>>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>>
>>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>>
>> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
>> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.
>
>Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker at
>all!

Sorry but don't ever post who my suppliers are. I've spent thousands
on finding what is good and what is not so good for media and hardware
and accessories over the years that I have been in business.

My customers are happy with my media and with my support and that is
all that matters. Its why you will never see my customers complain
about me in any news group or anywhere else over the years I've been
in business. Its because I give fantastic support to my customers.

Anyway have a great evening.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
Email Contact info on the above site.

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:07:18 +1100

> My customers are happy with my media and with my support and that is
> all that matters. Its why you will never see my customers complain
> about me in any news group or anywhere else over the years I've been
> in business. Its because I give fantastic support to my customers.

I wasn't happy to find out that the so-called premium quality, premium
priced Orion discs were just plain old Princo. If I had of known that
originally I wouldn't have purchased, hence I won't buy blanks from you
again.

Win some loose some with media I guess, however if the ext 109 price
compares well with other retailers when it comes into stock I'm looking
to get one.

From:	tp
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:41:27 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:07:18 +1100, Seth wrote:

>> My customers are happy with my media and with my support and that is
>> all that matters. Its why you will never see my customers complain
>> about me in any news group or anywhere else over the years I've been
>> in business. Its because I give fantastic support to my customers.
>
>I wasn't happy to find out that the so-called premium quality, premium
>priced Orion discs were just plain old Princo. If I had of known that
>originally I wouldn't have purchased, hence I won't buy blanks from you
>again.
>
>Win some loose some with media I guess, however if the ext 109 price
>compares well with other retailers when it comes into stock I'm looking
>to get one.

I've bought his princos of 18 months ago. Back then they were good.
Media changes and he has moved with the times to media that records
and plays well.

Surely the question should be, did those media you buy have playback
problems or did they play back flawlessly.

Shintaro brand used to buy princo but now they use cmc.
The early shintaro was good too.

I bought some princo recently myself and they are not the same disk
that they were a couple of years ago. The princos I purchased at
salesmart still play back today as do the early shintaros that I
bought at jb hifi. The newest princos have to many play back flaws in
them.

He has been selling media for 3 years and I would have thought we
would have heard by others if there was a problem with orion media.
Same applies with shintaro from jb.

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:44:32 +1100

> Surely the question should be, did those media you buy have playback
> problems or did they play back flawlessly.

At the time of burning I got a few duds which I just put down to one of
those things (which it still may be). However it wasn't until someone in
this group posted at a later time that Orion were actually Princo that I
even bothered to check for myself.

I had problems with some Princo discs beforehand which is why I tried
the Orion, needless to say if I knew they were Princo too I wouldn't
have based on my own experience. Once burned, I'm twice shy of giving
retailers another go when there are many alternatives.

> He has been selling media for 3 years and I would have thought we
> would have heard by others if there was a problem with orion media.

I'm only talking about my experience, read into it what you like. And
it's only because this thread went this way that I even mentioned
anything, all I wanted to know was a price.....

From:	TT
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:20:53 +0800

"Seth" wrote in message
news:35h2unF4la53eU1@individual.net...
> > Surely the question should be, did those media you buy have playback
> > problems or did they play back flawlessly.
>
> At the time of burning I got a few duds which I just put down to one of
> those things (which it still may be). However it wasn't until someone in
> this group posted at a later time that Orion were actually Princo that I
> even bothered to check for myself.
>
> I had problems with some Princo discs beforehand which is why I tried
> the Orion, needless to say if I knew they were Princo too I wouldn't
> have based on my own experience. Once burned, I'm twice shy of giving
> retailers another go when there are many alternatives.
>
> > He has been selling media for 3 years and I would have thought we
> > would have heard by others if there was a problem with orion media.
>
> I'm only talking about my experience, read into it what you like. And
> it's only because this thread went this way that I even mentioned
> anything, all I wanted to know was a price.....

The only *Dud* DVD media for me has been the Orion 2x RW discs. After a few
burns they do not format again or give errors during a burn or pixilation
during playback. But then who cares as Collin gave them to me anyway to
try - hence he doesn't stock them anymore.

I have bought over 250 Orion 4x and 8x discs from Collin and some have been
burned for over 2 years now and still play faultlessly. The only times I
have had a "Drink Coaster" is when I have stuffed it all by myself. I *will
not* use anything besides these Orion discs or a Pioneer burner as I am
having a fantastic run.

Regards TT

PS hey Collin remember me and a discount next order :-)) Only kidding ;-)

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:58:36 +1100

> The only *Dud* DVD media for me has been the Orion 2x RW discs.

I'm referring to the 1x -R

From:	sales at ___Email_Address_on_Web_site (SalesMart.com.au)
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:03:04 GMT

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:58:36 +1100, Seth wrote:

>> The only *Dud* DVD media for me has been the Orion 2x RW discs.
>
>I'm referring to the 1x -R

When they were released I don't think I was calling them anything but
un branded which they were back then.

Did you get thermal printable (smooth glassy surface) or are they the
next batch which are white ink jet printable.

I often email out to customers to see how they are going in the first
week and a month or so later.

I've not heard any negative feedback from those until your post.
These were the best disc made for stand alone Panasonic DMR Recorders.
Pity Princo stopped making them. Media changes have seen me move
between many makers since then.

Before I buy in huge amounts of DVD media I first get samples sent to
me which I test for about a month. I send soem samples off to the
authoring businesses I sell to and they do their own testing along
with my testing. Then if all goes well I place a order for that batch
of media.

It is a very expensive execise constantly making sure media has not
changed by constantly buying in samples. Some makers send out free
samples and some I have to pay for.

The current 8X I have been selling since July of 2004 which have sold
well and as customers keep on coming back for more I must be doing
something right.

Soem dealers want to know who I buy from. They seem to think I should
do all the testing and hand over this information for free. Its to
expensive to do that. My main selling items are DVD media, cases, DVD
Burners and looking into a new area of Digital set top boxes which I
am currently testing and if they pass my high standards I will then be
selling them.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
Email Contact info on the above site.

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:28:38 +1100

> I've not heard any negative feedback from those until your post.
> These were the best disc made for stand alone Panasonic DMR
> Recorders. Pity Princo stopped making them. Media changes have seen
> me move between many makers since then.

They were the inkjet printable ones and my Panasonic is where they got
used up in the end, although that's not why I wanted them.

I'm not interested in who you buy from, I do like to know what I'm
buying though. Yeah I had some duds, whether it was the machines I was
using for playback or the media I'm not sure, my point is I wouldn't
have purchased if I knew beforehand for the very reason I had had Princo
problems earlier.

You said your customers were happy, I wasn't. No big deal, but as I said
I won't buy media from you again.

From:	TT
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:02:47 +0800

"Seth" wrote in message
news:35iogjF4ll4tlU1@individual.net...
: > The only *Dud* DVD media for me has been the Orion 2x RW
discs.
:
: I'm referring to the 1x -R

Did you actually read as far as "I have bought over 250
Orion 4x and 8x discs from Collin and some have been burned
for over 2 years now and still play faultlessly."

Or did you only read the first line?

Regards TT

From:	Seth
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:28:27 +1100

> Did you actually read as far as "I have bought over 250 Orion 4x and
> 8x discs from Collin and some have been burned for over 2 years now
> and still play faultlessly."
>
> Or did you only read the first line?

No, I read the lot but only quoted the relevant section to my reply.

However since you make a point of it, how does the amount of burns you
have done, on different media mind you, in any way change things for me
or the 100 I purchased? It doesn't, hence I didn't quote it.

From:	Jimbo
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:57:44 GMT

"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
news:41f2770b.742697@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:49 GMT, "Jimbo" wrote:
>
>>"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
>>news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>>>
>>>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>>>
>>> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
>>> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.
>>
>>Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker
>>at
>>all!
>
> Sorry but don't ever post who my suppliers are. I've spent thousands
> on finding what is good and what is not so good for media and hardware
> and accessories over the years that I have been in business.

You are an idiot! No one has asked who your supplier of crap media is? why
on earth would we want to know!

You seem to have trouble understanding the question? Who makes Orioble
DVD-R media?

From:	sales at ___Email_Address_on_Web_site (SalesMart.com.au)
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:38:03 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:57:44 GMT, "Jimbo" wrote:

>"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
>news:41f2770b.742697@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:52:49 GMT, "Jimbo" wrote:
>>
>>>"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
>>>news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>>>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>>>>
>>>>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>>>>
>>>> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
>>>> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.
>>>
>>>Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker
>>>at
>>>all!
>>
>> Sorry but don't ever post who my suppliers are. I've spent thousands
>> on finding what is good and what is not so good for media and hardware
>> and accessories over the years that I have been in business.
>
>You are an idiot! No one has asked who your supplier of crap media is? why
>on earth would we want to know!

They are not crap media. If they were I would have folded years ago
and there would have been customers complaining in here and everywhere
else.

I've been selling DVD-R media since January of 2002 which is 3 years
now. I sell to many DVD Authoring businesses across Australia and as
they keep on coming back for more then I'm obviously doing something
right.

You are entitled to your opion but as you have never bought from me or
ever tried these discs so I am not sure why you are taking this
stance.

>
>You seem to have trouble understanding the question? Who makes Orioble
>DVD-R media?

No problem understanding the question. The supplier I buy from makes
them. Suggest you source your own own suppliers like I have had to do.
It is a expensive exercise finding out what is good or not so good.

Like hardware media is constantly changing. Sometimes for the better
and sometimes for the worse. Its a matter of keeping track and
constantly getting in samples before each order and hope for the best.
So far I have had good success.

I don't mind rival dealers such as yourself have a go at me.
Its all good, brings customers to my web site which often results in
extra sales. I've had a few extra sale orders today as a result of
this thread.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
Email Contact info on the above site.

From:	Jimbo
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:28:52 GMT

"SalesMart.com.au" wrote in message
news:41f3c206.361700@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:57:44 GMT, "Jimbo" wrote:
>>>You are an idiot! No one has asked who your supplier of crap media is?
>>>why
>>on earth would we want to know!
>
> They are not crap media. If they were I would have folded years ago
> and there would have been customers complaining in here and everywhere
> else.

Salesdrone, call em what you want, no one has heard of the Orioble brand but
you!

> I've been selling DVD-R media since January of 2002 which is 3 years
> now. I sell to many DVD Authoring businesses across Australia and as
> they keep on coming back for more then I'm obviously doing something
> right.

Whooppe do!

> You are entitled to your opion but as you have never bought from me or
> ever tried these discs so I am not sure why you are taking this
> stance.

And how would you even know that?

>>You seem to have trouble understanding the question? Who makes Orioble
>>DVD-R media?
>
> No problem understanding the question. The supplier I buy from makes
> them. Suggest you source your own own suppliers like I have had to do.
> It is a expensive exercise finding out what is good or not so good.

Yes you still have a problem understanding the question, now I will explain
to you like a two year old as it seems this is all you can understand.

1. Your suppiler does not make Orioble media, he sells it to you but he
doesnt make it.
2. Which OEM makes it? Do you know the Manufacturer ID or is it as well all
suspect, el crapo PRINCO?

> Like hardware media is constantly changing. Sometimes for the better
> and sometimes for the worse. Its a matter of keeping track and
> constantly getting in samples before each order and hope for the best.
> So far I have had good success.

More mindless drivel!

> I don't mind rival dealers such as yourself have a go at me.
> Its all good, brings customers to my web site which often results in
> extra sales. I've had a few extra sale orders today as a result of
> this thread.

Hahaha, rival dealer, oh please you are simple...as for your web site, yes
its a A grade commence site!

From:	FootyFacts
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:09:19 +1100

"Jimbo" wrote in message news:RUsId.129586$K7.65083@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> "SalesMart" wrote in message news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>>
>>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>>
>>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>>
>> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
>> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.
>
> Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker at all!

and he never lists his prices in any post
because he wants to drag you to his website
such as his dvd cases which he has at $125/100
I will check with my supplier I am pretty sure he
has em at $60/100. I know i can get full size
slim (5mm) DVD cases at $30/100.
and as for his blank DVDs prices shit I can get OEM
8X printable at $32/50 last time I bought em
which was a while ago and suspect they would be
cheaper now. What the hell I am gonna drop in
on my supplier this week and I will post a price list

and always be sure that whenever you reply to any of his
posts to remove any mention his website address.

From:	sales at ___Email_Address_on_Web_site (SalesMart.com.au)
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:53:37 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:09:19 +1100, "FootyFacts"
wrote:

>
>"Jimbo" wrote in message news:RUsId.129586$K7.65083@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "SalesMart" wrote in message news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>>>
>>>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>>>
>>> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
>>> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.
>>
>> Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker at all!
>
>and he never lists his prices in any post

I've been posting prices for months.
Go have a look in this or any other commercial post.

>because he wants to drag you to his website
>such as his dvd cases which he has at $125/100
>I will check with my supplier I am pretty sure he
>has em at $60/100. I know i can get full size
>slim (5mm) DVD cases at $30/100.

Not all DVD cases are the same. If they were life would be easier.
The cases I buy in are not the cheapest. They are a thicker plastic,
have a different way of getting the discs out of and not requiring to
bend the media.

The DVD cases I get in are about 13mm to 15mm thick.
They have brochure clips in them and can be made a single case with
the slip in feature.

>and as for his blank DVDs prices shit I can get OEM
>8X printable at $32/50 last time I bought em

Different brands, different quality. Not all media is the same.
I can get dirt cheap media in as well, but I would lose my customers
and I am not prepared to do that.

>which was a while ago and suspect they would be
>cheaper now. What the hell I am gonna drop in
>on my supplier this week and I will post a price list

You can do what ever you like because I don't buy those cases.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
Email Contact info on the above site.

From:	tp
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:07:02 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:09:19 +1100, "FootyFacts"
wrote:

>
>"Jimbo" wrote in message news:RUsId.129586$K7.65083@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "SalesMart" wrote in message news:41f238f3.4876622@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:48:06 +1100, Seth wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> So how much will they be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well considering he bundles them with overpriced cheap nasty media,
>>>>> expect them to be a lot more than anyhwere else!
>>>>
>>>>I tried early Orion media which was just rebadged Princo so I won't go
>>>
>>> That was media of two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
>>> The current Orion DVD-R media is NOT made by Princo or Ritek/RiDATA.
>>
>> Its all cheap crap media! I notice you didnt care to list the OEM maker at all!
>
>and he never lists his prices in any post
>because he wants to drag you to his website

You need to go to OPSM and get your eyes looked at.
sm has posted prices many times, just not with the ex drive.
Hardly cause for this reaction.

>such as his dvd cases which he has at $125/100
>I will check with my supplier I am pretty sure he
>has em at $60/100. I know i can get full size
>slim (5mm) DVD cases at $30/100.
>and as for his blank DVDs prices shit I can get OEM
>8X printable at $32/50 last time I bought em
>which was a while ago and suspect they would be
>cheaper now. What the hell I am gonna drop in
>on my supplier this week and I will post a price list

This makes more sense, you are a rival store trying to discredit sm
for your own ends. How about you post the store you belong too?

>
>and always be sure that whenever you reply to any of his
>posts to remove any mention his website address.

Who cares?

From:	FootyFacts
Subject:	Re: Open Posts
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:20:05 +1100

"tp" wrote in message news:41f28730.811828@news-server...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:09:19 +1100, "FootyFacts"
>
> You need to go to OPSM and get your eyes looked at.
> sm has posted prices many times, just not with the ex drive.
> Hardly cause for this reaction.
>
if you troll back a year or so you will see that
he started putting prices on his posts after
I brought the subject up that he never posted
them and was always trolling for site hits.

I come back after a year away and the first
post I read from him DIDN'T have any prices.
I just felt he needed a reminder.

BTW I am not a "store" nor rival, I am a computer
consultant/software engineer and it is
only that I know my equipment supplier
also has these things that I mentioned
that I would post his price list.

You are right however I should have mentioned that
I am in the computer industry and that I have a vested
interest in trying to keep the industry open
and less subject to the "cowboy" tag!

gF

From:	tp
Subject:	Re: Open Posts
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:25:10 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:20:05 +1100, "FootyFacts"
wrote:

>
>"tp" wrote in message news:41f28730.811828@news-server...
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:09:19 +1100, "FootyFacts"
>>
>> You need to go to OPSM and get your eyes looked at.
>> sm has posted prices many times, just not with the ex drive.
>> Hardly cause for this reaction.
>>
>if you troll back a year or so you will see that
>he started putting prices on his posts after
>I brought the subject up that he never posted
>them and was always trolling for site hits.

What does that have to do with anything?
You can't even post in the same message group which tells me you are
just brown nosing yourself for attention.

>
>I come back after a year away and the first
>post I read from him DIDN'T have any prices.
>I just felt he needed a reminder.
>
>BTW I am not a "store" nor rival, I am a computer
>consultant/software engineer and it is
>only that I know my equipment supplier
>also has these things that I mentioned
>that I would post his price list.

A consultant that is to chicken to post his details and just so
happens to have access to wholesale prices. Yeah right, likely story.

>
>You are right however I should have mentioned that
>I am in the computer industry and that I have a vested
>interest in trying to keep the industry open
>and less subject to the "cowboy" tag!

Salesmart is hardly a cowboy. They have been around for longer than I
can remember. Colin from sm has often helped others that have posted
quieries into this and other groups.

From:	ON2DVD
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030

> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
> service.

Are you kidding?
You obviously don't have a DVD Audio player and proper 5.1 set up or you
would not bother trying to copy DVD Audio to DVD-R/+R. Why would you
downgrade high fidelity DVD Audio to compressed audio for DVD Video? Maybe
all you are doing is copying the bonus DVD Video compatible audio? Maybe you
can explain?

From:	am
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:41:41 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
wrote:

>
>> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
>> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
>> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
>> service.
>
>Are you kidding?

No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
Not bad for a $50 program.

I am rapt.

From:	Boo Erns
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:43:35 +1100

"am" wrote in message
news:bjo6v0tt09053nhco0qritb7nfi0td8vdi@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
> >> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
> >> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
> >> service.
> >
> >Are you kidding?
>
> No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
> nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
> discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
> quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
> Not bad for a $50 program.
>
> I am rapt.
>

What is the program called?

From:	ON2DVD
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:00 +1030

"am" wrote in message
news:bjo6v0tt09053nhco0qritb7nfi0td8vdi@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
>>> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
>>> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
>>> service.
>>
>>Are you kidding?
>
> No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
> nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
> discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
> quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
> Not bad for a $50 program.
>
> I am rapt.
>

Sorry, he mentioned there's no need to buy a DVD Audio player which is not
true because you can't play DVD Audio (MLP or uncompressed 5.1 PCM) on a DVD
Video only player.

From:	am
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:23:36 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:00 +1030, "ON2DVD"
wrote:

>
>"am" wrote in message
>news:bjo6v0tt09053nhco0qritb7nfi0td8vdi@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
>>>> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
>>>> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
>>>> service.
>>>
>>>Are you kidding?
>>
>> No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
>> nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
>> discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
>> quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
>> Not bad for a $50 program.
>>
>> I am rapt.
>>
>
>Sorry, he mentioned there's no need to buy a DVD Audio player which is not
>true because you can't play DVD Audio (MLP or uncompressed 5.1 PCM) on a DVD
>Video only player.

Then I am doing the impossible.
I have done about 30 through it and the quality is supurb. No quality
loss and able to get 40 hours of audio onto a dvd.

From:	DVD Cases
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:34:21 +1100

"am" wrote in message news:b527v0tp0o7m825bntu7da7e50cqe8eoud@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:00 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> wrote:
>
>>

>
> Then I am doing the impossible.
> I have done about 30 through it and the quality is supurb. No quality
> loss and able to get 40 hours of audio onto a dvd.
>
then let us all in the secret

what is the program and weher can we get it
so we can give it a try

cd

From:	ON2DVD
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:59:57 +1030

"am" wrote in message
news:b527v0tp0o7m825bntu7da7e50cqe8eoud@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:00 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"am" wrote in message
>>news:bjo6v0tt09053nhco0qritb7nfi0td8vdi@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
>>>>> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
>>>>> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
>>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>>Are you kidding?
>>>
>>> No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
>>> nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
>>> discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
>>> quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
>>> Not bad for a $50 program.
>>>
>>> I am rapt.
>>>
>>
>>Sorry, he mentioned there's no need to buy a DVD Audio player which is not
>>true because you can't play DVD Audio (MLP or uncompressed 5.1 PCM) on a
>>DVD
>>Video only player.
>
> Then I am doing the impossible.
> I have done about 30 through it and the quality is supurb. No quality
> loss and able to get 40 hours of audio onto a dvd.
>

The difference between Dolby compressed and DVD Audio is quite noticable.
Rip and burn till your hearts content, you aren't convincing me that you can
copy uncompressed DVD Audio to DVD Video without loss.

From:	am
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:00:33 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:59:57 +1030, "ON2DVD"
wrote:

>
>"am" wrote in message
>news:b527v0tp0o7m825bntu7da7e50cqe8eoud@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:00 +1030, "ON2DVD"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"am" wrote in message
>>>news:bjo6v0tt09053nhco0qritb7nfi0td8vdi@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
>>>>>> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
>>>>>> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
>>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you kidding?
>>>>
>>>> No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
>>>> nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
>>>> discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
>>>> quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
>>>> Not bad for a $50 program.
>>>>
>>>> I am rapt.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry, he mentioned there's no need to buy a DVD Audio player which is not
>>>true because you can't play DVD Audio (MLP or uncompressed 5.1 PCM) on a
>>>DVD
>>>Video only player.
>>
>> Then I am doing the impossible.
>> I have done about 30 through it and the quality is supurb. No quality
>> loss and able to get 40 hours of audio onto a dvd.
>>
>
>The difference between Dolby compressed and DVD Audio is quite noticable.
>Rip and burn till your hearts content, you aren't convincing me that you can
>copy uncompressed DVD Audio to DVD Video without loss.

Is english your second language?

I will word it a little better.

I can import ac3 5.1ch or ac3 2ch files and then export to a dvd disk
with no quality loss of audio.

From:	TT
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:37:23 +0800

"am" wrote in message
news:nko7v09dkodopfamtsl54plmrkjp0m9hul@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:59:57 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"am" wrote in message
> >news:b527v0tp0o7m825bntu7da7e50cqe8eoud@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:17:00 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"am" wrote in message
> >>>news:bjo6v0tt09053nhco0qritb7nfi0td8vdi@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:45 +1030, "ON2DVD"
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get
Audio
> >>>>>> DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to
buy
> >>>>>> a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
> >>>>>> service.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Are you kidding?
> >>>>
> >>>> No he is not. He gave me this program last year and it does the job
> >>>> nicely. Ended up registering it. I transfer wav, mp3 to the dvd-r
> >>>> discs that I buy from him. There is no compression or loss of audio
> >>>> quality. I can import ac3 5.1ch just fine with no loss of quality.
> >>>> Not bad for a $50 program.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am rapt.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Sorry, he mentioned there's no need to buy a DVD Audio player which is
not
> >>>true because you can't play DVD Audio (MLP or uncompressed 5.1 PCM) on
a
> >>>DVD
> >>>Video only player.
> >>
> >> Then I am doing the impossible.
> >> I have done about 30 through it and the quality is supurb. No quality
> >> loss and able to get 40 hours of audio onto a dvd.
> >>
> >
> >The difference between Dolby compressed and DVD Audio is quite noticable.
> >Rip and burn till your hearts content, you aren't convincing me that you
can
> >copy uncompressed DVD Audio to DVD Video without loss.
>
> Is english your second language?
>
> I will word it a little better.
>
> I can import ac3 5.1ch or ac3 2ch files and then export to a dvd disk
> with no quality loss of audio.
>

I am sorry to say am that in this case ON2DVD is quite correct. AC3 or
DD5.1 or DD2.0 *are* lossy compression systems. Yes you can copy them to
disc without any further loss of quality *BUT* it is not DVD-Audio which you
require a DVD-A player to decode which is up to 6ch of 24bit 96kHz encoded
with MLP (Meridian Lossless Packaging). The need for compression is that
otherwise the bitstream would exceed the DVD standard.

So basically you are making DVD-Video Audio discs *similar* to DVD-A discs
but that is not what they are. These are starting to be referred to as
DVD+Audio.

Confused yet? It is certainly easy to be as there is a lot happening at the
moment.

To help you understand the differences a little more here is a simple way.
Talk bitrates. CD is 1411 kbps (kilo bits per sec) which is 16 bits x
44.1kHz x 2 channel uncompressed. DD5.1 is usually 448kbps (lossy
compression they throw bits of information away to achieve it). 2 channel
24/96 is 4608kbps (which I use on my discs) and the DVD-V standard from
memory is 9.6mbps (9600kbps) so 6ch of 24/96 would exceed it by large margin
so therefore *you can't* do it you need a *lossless* compression system and
MLP is used.

Have a look here http://www.digitalaudioguide.com/faq/dvd-audio/faq_2.htm

Any more questions don't hesitate to ask.

Regards TT

From:	TT
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:04:56 +0800

"ON2DVD" wrote in message
news:10JId.441$e77.22767@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
> > The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
> > DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
> > a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
> > service.
>
> Are you kidding?

No he is 'slightly' confused - which is easy to do.

> You obviously don't have a DVD Audio player and proper 5.1 set up or you
> would not bother trying to copy DVD Audio to DVD-R/+R.

Why not? I copy them! I like my copilation discs.

> Why would you
> downgrade high fidelity DVD Audio to compressed audio for DVD Video?

My turn now. Are you kidding? Do you understand anything about these
formats at all or how they work? A DVD-V is quite capable of storing 2
channel 24bit 96kHz or192kHz LPCM bitstream. These are then called DAD or
HDDA and I have seen the term coined DVD+Audio as well. So a DVD-A disc can
be uncompressed and stored in either format on a DVD-/+R disc. BTW I also
convert SACD to 24/96 as well (after I have down mixed it from 32/96)

> Maybe
> all you are doing is copying the bonus DVD Video compatible audio?

No.

> Maybe you
> can explain?

See above.

Regards TT

From:	ON2DVD
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:06:52 +1030

"TT" wrote in message
news:ct03mb$34a$1@nnrp.waia.asn.au...
>
> "ON2DVD" wrote in message
> news:10JId.441$e77.22767@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>
>> > The latest updated pages have valuable information on how to get Audio
>> > DVD's to play on a DVD player using DVD-R/+R media. So no need to buy
>> > a DVD Audio player to play Audio DVD's on. All part of my customer
>> > service.
>>
>> Are you kidding?
>
> No he is 'slightly' confused - which is easy to do.
>
>> You obviously don't have a DVD Audio player and proper 5.1 set up or you
>> would not bother trying to copy DVD Audio to DVD-R/+R.
>
> Why not? I copy them! I like my copilation discs.
>
>> Why would you
>> downgrade high fidelity DVD Audio to compressed audio for DVD Video?
>
> My turn now. Are you kidding? Do you understand anything about these
> formats at all or how they work? A DVD-V is quite capable of storing 2
> channel 24bit 96kHz or192kHz LPCM bitstream. These are then called DAD or
> HDDA and I have seen the term coined DVD+Audio as well. So a DVD-A disc
> can
> be uncompressed and stored in either format on a DVD-/+R disc. BTW I also
> convert SACD to 24/96 as well (after I have down mixed it from 32/96)
>
>> Maybe
>> all you are doing is copying the bonus DVD Video compatible audio?
>
> No.
>
>> Maybe you
>> can explain?
>
> See above.
>
>
> Regards TT
>
>

DVD Video does not support 192kHZ LPCM audio.
Thanks, bye.

From:	tp
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:01:45 GMT

From:	mc
Subject:	Re: COMM:_____NEW Pioneer 16X (109) External DVD Burners
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:16:10 GMT