"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in :

Crossposted to aus.flame, for reasons that I hope are obvious.

> ...and its self-appointed 'moderator', Ned. Why?

You misspelt "defender", Herr Koch-Sacher.

> 1(a). "Nothing relevant to act-b". This is one statement of Ned's that
> I agree with.

Below, you claim not to read me. If that's true, you don't *know* what
statements of mine you agree with.

> Nothing *is* relevant to it that couldn't be discussed
> in other groups.

Straw man. You can pick any newsgroup at all and say the same thing.

> 1(b). To illustrate that point... I subbed and pulled the preceding
> week's messages.

And just what does "the preceding week" mean?

> Of the 262 posts in that period, *four* were posted
> to a.c.t-b exclusively. Of those, two were from JimBO Brosnan AKA
> Antimulticulture@hotmail.com, and the other two were responses to
> Ned's "Nothing relevant to act-b" robo-replies.

Unless your "the preceding week" means something not deducible from
the ordinary English meanings of the words, that statement is false.

One such post is the True Blue FAQ, which I posted on the 8th. See
message .

Guessing that your "the preceding week" means 2004/12/06-13, I
looked at my archive of act-b posts received in that period (note
that a few were posted before the 6th and not all posted on the
13th were received by that day). The number recieved in that period
is 236. Of them, *eighteen* were posted exclusively into act-b, not
four as you say.

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Did you miss the eleven troll posts from Dean Turner?

> Draw your own
> conclusions...

Especially about Jura's research skills.

----snip----

> 2. It was originally proposed by One Nation bigots who were looking
> for somewhere to rant amongst themselves without interference from
> people who might disagree with them.

Larf. *That* old canard again? How do you expect to convince anyone
that you're worth listening to when you repeat the rantings of a
deranged lunatic as if they were truth?

> IOW by people who won't tolerate
> dissent from their whacko worldview.

That's a deliberate lie. The group was proposed as unmoderated, which
means that no controls over content were considered.

> Stuff them; they deserve to have
> the stupidity of their position pointed out to them as often and as
> loudly as possible in a broad forum like aus.politics.

I agree. Of course, it should apply to *all* political groups, not just
those that the establishment and multiculty maniacs and other left-wing
loonies hate and fear.

> 3. I looked up 'true-blue' in the Macquarie, and found this:

A bunch of irrelevancy. The proper noun "True Blue" is not the
adjectival phrase "true-blue" (or "true blue").

For a discussion of the difference, read the FAQ that you "missed".

----snip----

> 4. On a personal note, I've had Ned in my killfile for years.

And you think that gives you a good basis for judgement?
(Or is it just a way of providing yourself with an excuse
to pretend that your bullshit hasn't been countered?)

> The only time I see his dyspeptic outbursts is when someone
> replies to him.

Perhaps someone will do Jura the service of replying to *this*
"dyspeptic outburst".

----further ignorant twaddle snipped----

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From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:06:08 +1100

ned@arthur.valhalla.oz (Ned Latham) wrote in message
:

...."Nothing relevant to Usenet". (:

>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in :
>
>Crossposted to aus.flame, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
>
To elicit responses from Tom? They're always welcome IMO.

Seriously, don't you see what a hypocrite that makes you? You'll xpost
something irrelevant to another group, then turn around and whinge
"Nothing relevant to act-b" like a baby that's missed its appointment
with mummy's teat.

>> ...and its self-appointed 'moderator', Ned. Why?
>
>You misspelt "defender", Herr Koch-Sacher.
>
Oh, get off your high horse. You're 'defending' a steaming pile of
canine excrement. Maybe one day you'll realise that.

And BTW, 'Mr' is the correct form of address for adult
English-speaking males in this society. Especially one who is an
eighth-generation Australian and a descendant of First Fleeters. (And
who IRL has a 'funny' European name, without a hyphen in it.)

>> 1(a). "Nothing relevant to act-b". This is one statement of Ned's that
>> I agree with.
>
>Below, you claim not to read me. If that's true, you don't *know* what
>statements of mine you agree with.
>
There's a difference between "one statement" and "the only statement".
I'll explain that further if your intellect isn't up to grasping the
difference.

>> Nothing *is* relevant to it that couldn't be discussed
>> in other groups.
>
>Straw man. You can pick any newsgroup at all and say the same thing.
>
So you think the subjects of discussion in, say, alt..stories
wouldn't be out of place in, say, aus.religion.christian? The whole
idea of Usenet's hierarchy is to make the newsgroups as specific to a
particular subject as possible.

>> 1(b). To illustrate that point... I subbed and pulled the preceding
>> week's messages.
>
>And just what does "the preceding week" mean?
>
As you correctly deduced below, I meant 6-13 December, 2004.

>> Of the 262 posts in that period, *four* were posted
>> to a.c.t-b exclusively. Of those, two were from JimBO Brosnan AKA
>> Antimulticulture@hotmail.com, and the other two were responses to
>> Ned's "Nothing relevant to act-b" robo-replies.
>
>Unless your "the preceding week" means something not deducible from
>the ordinary English meanings of the words, that statement is false.
>
Whatever. I meant "the messages that were available *on my ISP's news
server* *at the time I did the search*".

>One such post is the True Blue FAQ, which I posted on the 8th. See
>message .
>
Correction: you mean "*your* True Blue FAQ". That is, the one which
contains illogical drivel such as...

2.2. What are its most important values?

1. Indifference to people's cultures and backgrounds. We value
people on their merits, not as exemplars of their cultures,
and we don't so much "tolerate" other cultures as not bother
about them except to assimilate cultural traits we admire
and insist that immigrants leave their cultural baggage
behind;

Immigrants have been bringing their "cultural baggage" to this country
since at least 1788, and probably well before. For goodness' sake: the
colony of New South Wales was founded as a dumping ground for the
overflow from the British prison system. That's where the distrust of
authority, which you mention in s. 2.3, comes from.

"Please explain" how that distrust isn't "cultural baggage".

It's also interesting to note that your Che Guano FAQ is 587 lines
long, whereas your True Blue FAQ is 448 lines. That's an extra 31%,
devoted to one person. Oops, your obsessions are showing...

>Guessing that your "the preceding week" means 2004/12/06-13, I
>looked at my archive of act-b posts received in that period (note
>that a few were posted before the 6th and not all posted on the
>13th were received by that day). The number recieved in that period
>is 236. Of them, *eighteen* were posted exclusively into act-b, not
>four as you say.
>
Surely you realise that Usenet postings on any given news server are a
movable feast. They get chopped all the time to save disk space. I
went through this exercise again, this time over the full eight days,
using both my ISP's news server and news.individual.net's. (I can't be
bothered doing this exercise with Google. Even if I did, there'd still
be the problems of X-No-Archive and nuking.)

OzEmail reported 219 posts. NIN reported 248. This time around, on
OzEmail's server, *one* post showed up as being a.c.t-b-only.
(Presumably the other three had been deleted.) However, NIN reported
35. That's actually better than your ISP's news server.

But this is where it gets interesting. Of those 35, 10 were from Mark
Addinall, 4 were from David Segall, and 14 were from Dean Turner.
That's 28/35, or 80%, from people you screech at or call "troll
posters". And you wonder why people just xpost to 'your' group as an
afterthought...

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Dean Turner.

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You.

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Dean Turner.

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Jackeroo.

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Dean Turner.

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Eunometic, or 'euno-nothing' as I call him.

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Jean-Paul Turcaud. (More 'sacre bleu!' than 'true blue', I would have
thought.)

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David Segall.

>Did you miss the eleven troll posts from Dean Turner?
>
No; *my ISP's news server* missed (or deleted) *14* of them. And as
I've pointed out above, 14/35 of the 'pure' posts, or 40%, were from
someone you dismiss as a "troll poster". That's some high regard in
which you hold your most regular a.c.t-b-only poster.

>> Draw your own
>> conclusions...
>
>Especially about Jura's research skills.
>
I can only work with what I have, in the time available. Point taken
though; in future I'll use NIN for this sort of thing. It has better
retention because it doesn't carry binary groups.

>----snip----
>
>> 2. It was originally proposed by One Nation bigots who were looking
>> for somewhere to rant amongst themselves without interference from
>> people who might disagree with them.
>
>Larf. *That* old canard again? How do you expect to convince anyone
>that you're worth listening to when you repeat the rantings of a
>deranged lunatic as if they were truth?
>
I've read a bit of your FAQ. Believe me: it *screams* bigotry, and of
a type that is extreme even for One Nation supporters, at the world.

>> IOW by people who won't tolerate
>> dissent from their whacko worldview.
>
>That's a deliberate lie. The group was proposed as unmoderated, which
>means that no controls over content were considered.
>
In that case, you're close to violating your group's charter with your
endless "Nothing relevant to act-b".

>> Stuff them; they deserve to have
>> the stupidity of their position pointed out to them as often and as
>> loudly as possible in a broad forum like aus.politics.
>
>I agree. Of course, it should apply to *all* political groups, not just
>those that the establishment and multiculty maniacs and other left-wing
>loonies hate and fear.
>
"Multiculty maniacs" and "left-wing loonies" = name-calling.
"Hate and fear" = projection.

>> 3. I looked up 'true-blue' in the Macquarie, and found this:
>
>A bunch of irrelevancy. The proper noun "True Blue" is not the
>adjectival phrase "true-blue" (or "true blue").
>
I was pointing out the *origins* of the expression, with no reference
to your personal usage of it.

Geezus Ned, get a clue. The world doesn't revolve around you.

>For a discussion of the difference, read the FAQ that you "missed".
>
As I mentioned before, I "missed" it because it's *your* FAQ, not the
group's. I try to avoid your control-freak tendencies wherever
possible.

As I said, I did try reading it but found the task difficult. That's
because it's obviously the outpourings of someone who won't let
reason, logic and reality get in the way of their prejudices.

>----snip----
>
>> 4. On a personal note, I've had Ned in my killfile for years.
>
>And you think that gives you a good basis for judgement?

You mean you *do* write something other than "Nothing relevant to
act-b" and "piss off, troll" occasionally? That's all I see from you,
and it's enough of a basis for judgment for me.

>(Or is it just a way of providing yourself with an excuse
>to pretend that your bullshit hasn't been countered?)
>
I look forward to your counter-counter-counter bullshit.

>> The only time I see his dyspeptic outbursts is when someone
>> replies to him.
>
>Perhaps someone will do Jura the service of replying to *this*
>"dyspeptic outburst".
>
Gawd helps those who help themselves... As far as killfiling goes, I
have you on 'Mark Read'. I have my 'nym on 'Watch Thread'. If you
reply, my newsreader pulls your message but marks it read. I can read
it if I apply the 'Watched messages' filter rather than the standard
'Unread Messages'. Hence this belated reply.

>----further ignorant twaddle snipped----
>
Miaow.

From:	Mark Addinall
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:03:09 GMT

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message
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>
> Geezus Ned, get a clue. The world doesn't revolve around you.
>

WOT? FUCKING WOT?!

;-)

"But still it moves..."

Mark (true-blue) Addinall.
..

From:	Ned Latham
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	19 Dec 2004 14:26:54 +1050

Muck Addinall, the last surviving specimen of Homo Defectus, wrote
in <1tKwd.76615$K7.27660@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

> Mark (true-blue) Addinall.

You're not true blue, Addinall: you don't even bear a resemblance
to it:

You're an abuser of women:

'I never expected much from a moron that was apparently named after
his mother's equine lover, ...'
-- <3B4A8583.2F2AA039@tik.com.au>

You're a liar, uttering statements you know to be false:

'Ned Latham spammed the net'
-- <246279a.0410201636.4607b15d@posting.google.com>

in 'response' to a message posted into act-b only.

You're a filthmonger, repeatedly slandering me and others with
baseless accusations of child molesting:

'Stan! Still molesting little boys are you?'
-- <246279a.0408262230.28bd5a1e@posting.google.com>

You're a forger, altering people's text in order to slag them off:

'Homo "what is a quote?" Defectus.'
--

altered to:

"Homo Ned"
--

You're a mouth, forever bragging;

You're a sook, *still* trying to get revenge for being embarrassed over
a silly little mistake reading attributions over four *years* ago;

You're a white ant, slagging off people like Stan and me for posting
ideas that might be of benefit to Oz;

You're a coward, trying to intimidate people with threats of violence,
then squibbing out when they take you up on it. So far, you've
squibbed out on Mosley Jones, Gary Meadows, Peter Mackay and me.

+++

Piss off, troll.

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From:	Ned Latham
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	16 Dec 2004 11:00:02 +1050

Jura Koch-Sacher wrote in <97itr05t0nf8bsqv2ajn014ijf16rg2ui6@4ax.com>:
> Ned Latham wrote:
>
> ..."Nothing relevant to Usenet". (:

You should adopt that as your .sig.

> > "Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in :
> >
> > Crossposted to aus.flame, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
>
> To elicit responses from Tom?

No. Though I admit that I once had the idea that he might eventually
see through the trolls' efforts at vilification if I drew his attention
to reality. His recent displays of malice have put paid to that, however.

> They're always welcome IMO.
>
> Seriously, don't you see what a hypocrite that makes you?

Why? It disputes your claim to knowledge of the matter at hand; it
disputes your research; it questions your honesty and sincerity.

It's a flame.

> You'll xpost
> something irrelevant to another group,

Do feel free to explain how posting a flame to a flame group is an
irrelevancy.

> then turn around and whinge
> "Nothing relevant to act-b" like a baby that's missed its appointment
> with mummy's teat.

I advise people that their posts are off charter. When reasonable
people ask about that, I explain informatively and civilly. Your
characterisation is another of your rather foolish attempts at
dishonesty.

> > > ...and its self-appointed 'moderator', Ned. Why?
> >
> > You misspelt "defender", Herr Koch-Sacher.
>
> Oh, get off your high horse.

Fuck off.

> You're 'defending' a steaming pile of
> canine excrement.

Thanks to the mad dogs who "inform" you.
The idea is to convert it *from* that.

> Maybe one day you'll realise that.
>
> And BTW, 'Mr' is the correct form of address for adult
> English-speaking males in this society.

Danke, Herr Koch-Sacher.

> Especially one who is an
> eighth-generation Australian and a descendant of First Fleeters. (And
> who IRL has a 'funny' European name, without a hyphen in it.)

Why?

> > > 1(a). "Nothing relevant to act-b". This is one statement of Ned's that
> > > I agree with.
> >
> > Below, you claim not to read me. If that's true, you don't *know* what
> > statements of mine you agree with.
>
> There's a difference between "one statement" and "the only statement".

That's why I didn't respond with something like "how the fuck would
you know?". How many times do I have to tell you lot? Don't judge
others by yourself. That way, you might avoid underestimating them.

> I'll explain that further if your intellect isn't up to grasping the
> difference.

Do feel free to show a few more statements of mine that you agree with.

> > > Nothing *is* relevant to it that couldn't be discussed
> > > in other groups.
> >
> > Straw man. You can pick any newsgroup at all and say the same thing.
>
> So you think the subjects of discussion in, say, alt..stories
> wouldn't be out of place in, say, aus.religion.christian?

You're the one who made that idiotic statement. *You* defend it.

> The whole
> idea of Usenet's hierarchy is to make the newsgroups as specific to
> a particular subject as possible.

No shit, sherlock. And just *what* do you think my "nothing relevant
to act-b" is about?

----snip----

> > One such post is the True Blue FAQ, which I posted on the 8th. See
> > message .
>
> Correction:

Wrong. There's only one, so "the" is correct.

> you mean "*your* True Blue FAQ". That is, the one which
> contains illogical drivel such as...

Do feel free to explain what's illogical about it.

>
> 2.2. What are its most important values?
>
> 1. Indifference to people's cultures and backgrounds. We value
> people on their merits, not as exemplars of their cultures,
> and we don't so much "tolerate" other cultures as not bother
> about them except to assimilate cultural traits we admire
> and insist that immigrants leave their cultural baggage
> behind;
>
>
> Immigrants have been bringing their "cultural baggage" to this country
> since at least 1788, and probably well before.

No shit, sherlock. In what way does that or what follows contribute to
the idea that the quoted passage is illogical?

> For goodness' sake: the
> colony of New South Wales was founded as a dumping ground for the
> overflow from the British prison system.

It wasn't a holiday camp for the chattering classes?

> That's where the distrust of
> authority, which you mention in s. 2.3, comes from.

That's *one* of the sources.

> "Please explain" how that distrust isn't "cultural baggage".

The FAQ explains it.

> It's also interesting to note that your Che Guano FAQ is 587 lines
> long, whereas your True Blue FAQ is 448 lines. That's an extra 31%,
> devoted to one person. Oops, your obsessions are showing...

So you think that the relative lengths of two posts, regardless of
content, is an adequate diagnostic sign?

Where'd you get your degree in psychology, Herr Doktor Koch-Sacher?
Was it the institution that gave you your name?

> > The number recieved in that period is 236. Of them, *eighteen*
> > were posted exclusively into act-b, not four as you say.
>
> Surely you realise that Usenet postings on any given news server are
> a movable feast.

Yep. That's why I use multiple servers. But *eighteen* versus four?
From totals of 236 versus 262? Is your news server as selective as
your news client?

----snip----

> OzEmail reported 219 posts. NIN reported 248. This time around, on
> OzEmail's server, *one* post showed up as being a.c.t-b-only.
> (Presumably the other three had been deleted.) However, NIN reported
> 35. That's actually better than your ISP's news server.

It was the count from one of the other servers, actually. I couldn't
be bothered putting them all together.

> But this is where it gets interesting. Of those 35, 10 were from Mark
> Addinall, 4 were from David Segall, and 14 were from Dean Turner.
> That's 28/35, or 80%, from people you screech at or call "troll
> posters".

All but one of them were off charter. All three of those posters are
trolls.

> And you wonder why people just xpost to 'your' group as an
> afterthought...

They don't. The trolls do it out of malice, and the followers up do it
out of inconsideration and/or ignorance.

----snip----

> > Did you miss the eleven troll posts from Dean Turner?
>
> No; *my ISP's news server* missed (or deleted) *14* of them. And as
> I've pointed out above, 14/35 of the 'pure' posts, or 40%, were from
> someone you dismiss as a "troll poster". That's some high regard in
> which you hold your most regular a.c.t-b-only poster.

So you *do* disregard content as a factor in assessing posts.
Not a single one of his posts was on charter.

(But hey, let's not have a little thing like that get in the way
of a good bias, right?)

----snip----

> > > 2. It was originally proposed by One Nation bigots who were looking
> > > for somewhere to rant amongst themselves without interference from
> > > people who might disagree with them.
> >
> > Larf. *That* old canard again? How do you expect to convince anyone
> > that you're worth listening to when you repeat the rantings of a
> > deranged lunatic as if they were truth?
>
> I've read a bit of your FAQ. Believe me:

No. You're not credible.

> it *screams* bigotry, and of
> a type that is extreme even for One Nation supporters, at the world.

Don't just say so, Herr Doktor Koch-Sacher, show something that you
think might pass as evidence of it.

> > > IOW by people who won't tolerate
> > > dissent from their whacko worldview.
> >
> > That's a deliberate lie. The group was proposed as unmoderated, which
> > means that no controls over content were considered.
>
> In that case, you're close to violating your group's charter with your
> endless "Nothing relevant to act-b".

Crap. Advising people of their irrelevancies is advice, nothing more.

> > > Stuff them; they deserve to have
> > > the stupidity of their position pointed out to them as often and as
> > > loudly as possible in a broad forum like aus.politics.
> >
> > I agree. Of course, it should apply to *all* political groups, not just
> > those that the establishment and multiculty maniacs and other left-wing
> > loonies hate and fear.

> "Multiculty maniacs" and "left-wing loonies" = name-calling.

Nothing wrong with that if it's accurate.

> "Hate and fear" = projection.

Pffft.

> > > 3. I looked up 'true-blue' in the Macquarie, and found this:
> >
> > A bunch of irrelevancy. The proper noun "True Blue" is not the
> > adjectival phrase "true-blue" (or "true blue").
>
> I was pointing out the *origins* of the expression,

You were associating it with religious nuts and a terrorist.

> with no reference
> to your personal usage of it.

It's not just my "personal usage".

> Geezus Ned, get a clue. The world doesn't revolve around you.

Get a clue yourself. I contest lies. Your attempt to associate
the name "True Blue" with nut cases and Bin Laden was dishonest.

> > For a discussion of the difference, read the FAQ that you "missed".
>
> As I mentioned before, I "missed" it because it's *your* FAQ, not
> the group's. I try to avoid your control-freak tendencies wherever
> possible.

Irrelevant. The FAQ discusses the difference between the adjectival
phrase(s) and the proper noun.

> As I said, I did try reading it but found the task difficult.

Then get someone who understands English to read it to you.

> That's because it's obviously the outpourings of someone who won't
> let reason, logic and reality get in the way

Don't just say so, Herr Doktor Koch-Sacher, show something that you
think might pass as evidence of it.

> of their prejudices.

Look who's talking. The hypocritical wanker who boasts of not reading
my posts, but presumes to judge them and me.

> > > 4. On a personal note, I've had Ned in my killfile for years.
> >
> > And you think that gives you a good basis for judgement?
>
> You mean you *do* write something other than "Nothing relevant to
> act-b" and "piss off, troll" occasionally?

Didn't you claim just above to have tried to read one such post?

> That's all I see from you,

Perhaps it's just all you remember, hmm?

> and it's enough of a basis for judgment for me.

And that statement is enough basis for a judgement of bigotry.

----snip----

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From:	Tomasso vs Noises
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:43:21 GMT

"Ned Latham" wrote in message =
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> "Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in =
:

Hardly an original name... Bring back Wodjmi!

> Crossposted to aus.flame, for reasons that I hope are obvious.

What?

> ...Did you miss the eleven troll posts from Dean Turner?

Whar species?

[I knew a Dean Turner once, but he was a nice, respectful person].

Is aus.culture.true-blue the most cross-posted newsgroup in domain aus?

Or is it a few miscreants, sock puppets and members of the chattering =
classes
with nothing better to do?=20

Tomasso - with something better to do, but occasionally feels an itch.

From:	Ned Latham
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	16 Dec 2004 10:40:10 +1050

"Tomasso vs Noises" wrote
in :
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > "Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote:
>
> Hardly an original name... Bring back Wodjmi!

Is that an Addinall alias?

> > Crossposted to aus.flame, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
>
> What?

It disputed his claim to knowledge of the matter at hand; it disputed
his "research"; it questioned his honesty and sincerity. Would you say
that's *not* a flame?

> > ...Did you miss the eleven troll posts from Dean Turner?
>
> Whar species?

Malevolentia Exiguus. He followed up messages that were not relevant to
act-b and weren't posted into act-b with messages that also were not
relevant to act-b, and posted those followups exclusively into act-b.

Because? He couldn't answer my criticisms of the bias he showed from
his very first post (under that name) into act-b, and he can't find
any other way to get revenge than trolling.

----snip----

I gather you have no desire to shock Herr Koch-Sacher with anything
contrary to his delusions. Would that be because you fear he'll
clench his teeth on you?

Ned
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From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:33:14 +1100

"Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message

:

>"Ned Latham" wrote in message news:slrncrs0uq.62k.ned@arthur.valhalla.oz...
>> "Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in :
>
>Hardly an original name... Bring back Wodjmi!
>
Ah, Mr Corlett! I'd completely forgotten about him.

>> Crossposted to aus.flame, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
>
>What?
>
It's called hypocrisy. He squeals like a stuck pig when anyone xposts
to a.c.t-b, but has no reservations about OT xposting to other groups.

>> ...Did you miss the eleven troll posts from Dean Turner?
>
>Whar species?
>
Ned? Pan troglodytes, AFAICT. He's an intellectual pygmy and looks
like a chimp.

>[I knew a Dean Turner once, but he was a nice, respectful person].
>
I knew a girl named Kylie Turner once, unfortunately not in the
Biblical sense. My, but she had sweet booty.

>Is aus.culture.true-blue the most cross-posted newsgroup in domain aus?
>
Has to be close.

>Or is it a few miscreants, sock puppets and members of the chattering classes
>with nothing better to do?
>
That too.

>Tomasso - with something better to do, but occasionally feels an itch.

You can get powder for that.

From:	Tomasso vs Noises
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:04:06 GMT

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message =
news:fausr05n0533m0h2fliob27higpgkg07cf@4ax.com...
> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
> :
>>Whar species?
>>
> Ned? Pan troglodytes, AFAICT. He's an intellectual pygmy and looks
> like a chimp.

Tomasso cannot confirm. He has not sighted that Latham. The other one
seems a somewhat smarter and a bit less aggressive. Any pics on the web?

I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.

Tomasso.

From:	Mark Addinall
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:41:56 GMT

"Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
news:qUyvd.72378$K7.49166@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message
news:fausr05n0533m0h2fliob27higpgkg07cf@4ax.com...
> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
> :
>>Whar species?
>>
> Ned? Pan troglodytes, AFAICT. He's an intellectual pygmy and looks
> like a chimp.

Tomasso cannot confirm. He has not sighted that Latham. The other one
seems a somewhat smarter and a bit less aggressive. Any pics on the web?

http://www.addinall.org/images/nedanddad.png

I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.

Tomasso.

From:	Tomasso vs noise
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:43:01 GMT

"Mark Addinall" wrote=20
> http://www.addinall.org/images/nedanddad.png

One of them looks like Tony Abbott.=20

Tomasso.

From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:06:05 +1100

"Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message

:

>
>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message news:fausr05n0533m0h2fliob27higpgkg07cf@4ax.com...
>> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
>> :
>>>Whar species?
>>>
>> Ned? Pan troglodytes, AFAICT. He's an intellectual pygmy and looks
>> like a chimp.
>
>Tomasso cannot confirm. He has not sighted that Latham. The other one
>seems a somewhat smarter and a bit less aggressive. Any pics on the web?
>
No luck at Google Images. Perhaps I should have written "*acts* like a
chimp". He certainly has the high-pitched screeching down to a tee.

>I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.
>
As I remarked to Ned, I'm a descendant of First Fleeters who has a
'funny' European surname (without a hyphen). Dunno if that helps...

From:	Tomasso vs Noises
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:32:44 GMT

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote:
> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote:
>> ...
>>I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.
>>
> As I remarked to Ned, I'm a descendant of First Fleeters who has a
> 'funny' European surname (without a hyphen). Dunno if that helps...

Tomasso also such a descendant (6th gen I think from Joseph Wright,
and he could write). Maybe related. [Isn't everyone]?

But lots of diverse ancestry. Tomasso has a rich ancentry. Some may say=20
mongrelled.=20

Tomasso looked for funny sounding names. There are many. Is "Eccles"
a funny names? "Cullyhorm"? "Cuckow"? "Blatherhorn"? "Bloedworth"?
"Messiah"? "Wisehammer"? "Sideway"? "Perrot" (I think I'm related to
that one, too)? =20

Too many...

Cheese.

From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:56:46 +1100

"Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message

:

>
>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote:
>> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote:
>>> ...
>>>I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.
>>>
>> As I remarked to Ned, I'm a descendant of First Fleeters who has a
>> 'funny' European surname (without a hyphen). Dunno if that helps...
>
>Tomasso also such a descendant (6th gen I think from Joseph Wright,
>and he could write). Maybe related. [Isn't everyone]?
>
Ultimately, yes. My ancestors were a Marine named William Nash and his
wife Maria. I have convict blood in the generation after them, though.

>But lots of diverse ancestry. Tomasso has a rich ancentry. Some may say
>mongrelled.
>
Likewise. My four maternal great-grandparents' ancestors came from
Cornwall, France, Wales and Ireland.

'Mongrelism' is the natural state of humanity IMO, especially in a
place like Australia. And as I like to point out, pure-bred = inbred.

>Tomasso looked for funny sounding names. There are many. Is "Eccles"
>a funny names? "Cullyhorm"? "Cuckow"? "Blatherhorn"? "Bloedworth"?
>"Messiah"? "Wisehammer"? "Sideway"? "Perrot" (I think I'm related to
>that one, too)?
>
>Too many...
>
I'm John Iser. Dunno if you remember me.

From:	Tomasso vs noise
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:41:10 GMT

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote=20
> I'm John Iser. Dunno if you remember me.

I remember the name and some sense of the style.=20

Probably wasted to bate Ned in his playground (ie, the one he
hoped to moderate).=20

But talent and thought always appreciated. Barbs into the trogs, also.

I tend to post when I'm running jobs that take a long time and I
have time to think and type. I had one job in April that ran for 28=20
hours and cooked a PC. Almost wrote a novel that time.

Cheese, Tomasso.

From:	Tomasso vs noise
Subject:	Tomasso under-estimates Ned Latham...
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:19:52 GMT

http://www.staloysius.nsw.edu.au/newsletters/13_35.pdf

From:	Mark Addinall
Subject:	Re: Tomasso under-estimates Ned Latham...
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:17:12 GMT

"Tomasso vs noise" wrote in message
news:sbewd.74859$K7.52683@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

http://www.staloysius.nsw.edu.au/newsletters/13_35.pdf

I think our noddy may have been DUCK of the year.

Marky.

From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:45:41 +1100

"Tomasso vs noise" wrote in message

:

>
>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote
>> I'm John Iser. Dunno if you remember me.
>
>I remember the name and some sense of the style.
>
First time in a while anyone's used the term 'style' WRT me. Ta. (:

>Probably wasted to bate Ned in his playground (ie, the one he
>hoped to moderate).
>
>But talent and thought always appreciated. Barbs into the trogs, also.
>
>I tend to post when I'm running jobs that take a long time and I
>have time to think and type. I had one job in April that ran for 28
>hours and cooked a PC. Almost wrote a novel that time.
>
It's an indication of my (currently high) boredom level that I bother
to 'debate' Ned at all. Still, it's interesting to check out his
thought patterns - if only as an amateur study in mental pathology.

From:	Ned Latham
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	19 Dec 2004 14:16:33 +1050

Jura Koch-Sacher wrote in :

----snip----

> It's an indication of my (currently high) boredom level

As I said: get a life.

> that I bother
> to 'debate' Ned at all. Still, it's interesting to check out his
> thought patterns - if only as an amateur study in mental pathology.

Amateur's right. All you've come up with so far is psychobabble.

Ned
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From:	Seppo Renfors
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:57:39 GMT

Jura Koch-Sacher wrote:
>
> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
> :
>
> >
> >"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote:
> >> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.
> >>>
> >> As I remarked to Ned, I'm a descendant of First Fleeters who has a
> >> 'funny' European surname (without a hyphen). Dunno if that helps...
> >
> >Tomasso also such a descendant (6th gen I think from Joseph Wright,
> >and he could write). Maybe related. [Isn't everyone]?
> >
> Ultimately, yes. My ancestors were a Marine named William Nash and his
> wife Maria. I have convict blood in the generation after them, though.
>
> >But lots of diverse ancestry. Tomasso has a rich ancentry. Some may say
> >mongrelled.
> >
> Likewise. My four maternal great-grandparents' ancestors came from
> Cornwall, France, Wales and Ireland.
>
> 'Mongrelism' is the natural state of humanity IMO, especially in a
> place like Australia. And as I like to point out, pure-bred = inbred.
>
> >Tomasso looked for funny sounding names. There are many. Is "Eccles"
> >a funny names? "Cullyhorm"? "Cuckow"? "Blatherhorn"? "Bloedworth"?
> >"Messiah"? "Wisehammer"? "Sideway"? "Perrot" (I think I'm related to
> >that one, too)?
> >
> >Too many...
> >
> I'm John Iser. Dunno if you remember me.

HAH.... now I know, couldn't pick it before - still, with the tag you
are using now, I get the mental picture of that bald Chnl 7 presenter
on the morning program.....

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From:	Mark Addinall
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:00:10 GMT

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message
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> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
> :
>
>>
>>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote:
>>> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>I wonder who I'm talking to. I seem to recognise the writing style.
>>>>
>>> As I remarked to Ned, I'm a descendant of First Fleeters who has a
>>> 'funny' European surname (without a hyphen). Dunno if that helps...
>>
>>Tomasso also such a descendant (6th gen I think from Joseph Wright,
>>and he could write). Maybe related. [Isn't everyone]?
>>
> Ultimately, yes. My ancestors were a Marine named William Nash and his
> wife Maria. I have convict blood in the generation after them, though.
>
>>But lots of diverse ancestry. Tomasso has a rich ancentry. Some may say
>>mongrelled.
>>
> Likewise. My four maternal great-grandparents' ancestors came from
> Cornwall, France, Wales and Ireland.
>
> 'Mongrelism' is the natural state of humanity IMO, especially in a
> place like Australia. And as I like to point out, pure-bred = inbred.
>
>>Tomasso looked for funny sounding names. There are many. Is "Eccles"
>>a funny names? "Cullyhorm"? "Cuckow"? "Blatherhorn"? "Bloedworth"?
>>"Messiah"? "Wisehammer"? "Sideway"? "Perrot" (I think I'm related to
>>that one, too)?
>>
>>Too many...
>>
> I'm John Iser. Dunno if you remember me.

Hullo John!

Sarky Marky
>

From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:33:32 +1100

"Mark Addinall" wrote in message

:

>
>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message
>news:rnnvr0lgmg9fdcjol5fvbiqgldo876pepk@4ax.com...
>> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
>> :
[-- 8< --]
>>>Tomasso looked for funny sounding names. There are many. Is "Eccles"
>>>a funny names? "Cullyhorm"? "Cuckow"? "Blatherhorn"? "Bloedworth"?
>>>"Messiah"? "Wisehammer"? "Sideway"? "Perrot" (I think I'm related to
>>>that one, too)?
>>>
>>>Too many...
>>>
>> I'm John Iser. Dunno if you remember me.
>
>Hullo John!
>
Hello Mark. Why do I get the feeling I'd need glasses with windscreen
wipers on them if I was talking to Ned in person? Talk about 'flying
saliva'!

From:	Ned Latham
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	16 Dec 2004 11:16:27 +1050

Muck Addinall, the last surviving specimen of Homo Defectus, wrote
in :

Nothing relevant to act-b.

----snip----

The message you followed up wasn't posted into act-b, troll.
So why did you post it into act-b, troll?

Oh, that's right, you're a troll.

Piss off, troll.

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From:	Ned Latham
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	16 Dec 2004 10:40:46 +1050

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in :

----snip----

What is it called when someone refuses even so much as to *look* at
another person's posts, but presumes to judge them anyway?

> It's called hypocrisy.

Exactly.

----snip----

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From:	Tomasso vs Noises
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:03:36 GMT

"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message =
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> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
> :
>=20
>>"Ned Latham" wrote in message =
news:slrncrs0uq.62k.ned@arthur.valhalla.oz...
>>> "Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in =
:
>>
>>Hardly an original name... Bring back Wodjmi!
>>
> Ah, Mr Corlett! I'd completely forgotten about him.

Nyet.

Wodjmi Tchackawobli. Famous flamer from the early 90s.

Tomasso.

From:	Jura Koch-Sacher
Subject:	Re: Boycott a.c.t-b
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:06:06 +1100

"Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message

:

>"Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in message news:fausr05n0533m0h2fliob27higpgkg07cf@4ax.com...
>> "Tomasso vs Noises" wrote in message
>> :
>>
>>>"Ned Latham" wrote in message news:slrncrs0uq.62k.ned@arthur.valhalla.oz...
>>>> "Jura Koch-Sacher" wrote in :
>>>
>>>Hardly an original name... Bring back Wodjmi!
>>>
>> Ah, Mr Corlett! I'd completely forgotten about him.
>
>Nyet.
>
>Wodjmi Tchackawobli. Famous flamer from the early 90s.
>
Before my time. With a 'nym like that, it may well have been Ned.
(Naah, it's a bit too 'ethnic'-sounding for him...)