G'day,

Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable with
in-built pre-amp:

"Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06ba/Product/View/A1361

I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps adequate
for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just "good
enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these units,
and can offer an opinion?

-- Geoff

From:	S Roby
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:13:48 GMT

>I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
>wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps adequate

A lot of people with old vinyl seem to be thinking the same thing, pushing
up the cost of turnables on the online auctions (in NZ anyway)
Used to be you could get a Rega for around $250 or less.
I know of one thats been sitting "under the house" for the last 5 years, just
needs a stylus(the stylus cost is why its still under his house in storage)
One option is to spend the extra money , convert the vinyl to CD the onsell
the TT.

From:	Ayn Marx
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	15 Jan 2005 05:06:59 -0800

Heretic wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>
> >
> > Mr. T wrote:
> >> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> >> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable
> > with
> >> > in-built pre-amp:
> >> >
> >> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
> >> >
> >>
> >
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
> >> a/Product/View/A1361
> >> >
> >> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and
was
> >> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
> > adequate
> >> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just
> > "good
> >> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these
> > units,
> >> > and can offer an opinion?
> >>
> >> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it
on
> >> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
> >> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
> >>
> > Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad condition
it's
> > probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick smart.
>
> Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.
What a peculiar mind you have.

From:	Heretic
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:28:20 -0500

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:06:59 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:

> Heretic wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Mr. T wrote:
>> >> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
>> >> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable
>> > with
>> >> > in-built pre-amp:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
>> >> a/Product/View/A1361
>> >> >
>> >> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and
> was
>> >> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
>> > adequate
>> >> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just
>> > "good
>> >> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these
>> > units,
>> >> > and can offer an opinion?
>> >>
>> >> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it
> on
>> >> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly. You could try
>> >> looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>> >>
>> > Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad condition
>> > it's probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick
>> > smart.
>>
>> Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.
>
> What a peculiar mind you have.

Just pointing out the obvious. Were you both not aware of what you were
saying? How interesting that those statements unconsciously gave away
those inner-most thoughts.

From:	Ayn Marx
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800

Mr. T wrote:
> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable
with
> > in-built pre-amp:
> >
> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
> >
>
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
> a/Product/View/A1361
> >
> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
adequate
> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just
"good
> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these
units,
> > and can offer an opinion?
>
> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>
Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad condition it's
probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick smart.

From:	Heretic
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:00:08 -0500

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:

>
> Mr. T wrote:
>> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
>> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable
> with
>> > in-built pre-amp:
>> >
>> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>> >
>>
> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
>> a/Product/View/A1361
>> >
>> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
>> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
> adequate
>> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just
> "good
>> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these
> units,
>> > and can offer an opinion?
>>
>> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
>> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
>> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>>
> Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad condition it's
> probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick smart.

Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.

From:	Mr. T
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:46:43 +1100

"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
news:1105793450.145706.221910@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad condition it's
> probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick smart.

You do know that diamonds are harder than vinyl right? :-)

Seriously though, it's the dirt that is the problem, not the vinyl. You WILL
need to clean them all properly anyway before playing, or why bother at all?

MrT.

From:	Ayn Marx
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	16 Jan 2005 23:46:18 -0800

Heretic wrote:

>
> I couldn't say that, much less understand it. BTW, the word you were
> looking for is "mien".

Ducky, it you didn't understand it how did you know I'd misspelt mien?

Do you now see how we give ourselves away unconsciously?
I am not unfamiliar with the freudian slip. Not all apparent ambiguity
is such.

> > However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
> > cigar"
>
> Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.
No. But I love the joke your comment triggered from Steve......

From:	Heretic
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:03:25 -0500

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:46:18 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:

> Heretic wrote:
>
>
>> I couldn't say that, much less understand it. BTW, the word you were
>> looking for is "mien".
>
> Ducky, it you didn't understand it how did you know I'd misspelt mien?

I didn't say you misspelled anything. What I was showing was how the
unconscious mind over-rides (as it were) our superficial thoughts, and
shows what we really are concerned about.

BTW, you might check "misspelt".

>> Do you now see how we give ourselves away unconsciously?
>
> I am not unfamiliar with the freudian slip.

Very useful things, slips. Not with a tight skirt, however, I find.

> Not all apparent ambiguity is such.

Such what?

>> > However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
>> > cigar"
>>
>> Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.
>>
> No. But I love the joke your comment triggered from Steve......

There you go again!

From:	Mr. T
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:05:20 +1100

"El Bastardo" wrote in message
news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable with
> in-built pre-amp:
>
> "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
a/Product/View/A1361
>
> I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
> wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps adequate
> for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just "good
> enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these units,
> and can offer an opinion?

Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.

MrT.

From:	Alan Rutlidge .iinet.net.au
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:43:32 +0800

"Mr. T" wrote in message
news:41e8dd31$0$24458$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable with
> > in-built pre-amp:
> >
> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
> >
>
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
> a/Product/View/A1361
> >
> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps adequate
> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just "good
> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these units,
> > and can offer an opinion?
>
> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>
> MrT.
>
>

Totally agree with you Mr.T.

Some of the best advice I ever got about hi-fi untold years ago was to
purchase a decent turntable and cartridge. I'm glad I took notice of that
advice as most of the vinyl records I purchased from that day onwards are
still in very good condition and playable today.

Can't say the same about the records bought before that and played on the
old record gouger :(

El Bastardo might be best advised to avoid the "Optipuss Lead And Box 1100
Turntable" if he values his record collection.

Cheers,
Alan

From:	El Bastardo
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:35:01 GMT

G'day,

Mr. T wrote:
> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.

I thought this turntable may be dodgy, but I recall that other DS
products sometimes punch above their weight. Worth asking about, even if
I was 95% sure the answer would be negative.

> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.

Only problem is that my old vinyl collection is not really worth (in my
opinion) spending more than about $200 on. And $200 would just cover a
pnono stage such as the NAD PP2, leaving me nowt for a second-hand
turntable :-(

-- Geoff

From:	Mr. T
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:43:29 +1100

"El Bastardo" wrote in message
news:pl6Gd.119387$K7.66212@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I thought this turntable may be dodgy, but I recall that other DS
> products sometimes punch above their weight. Worth asking about, even if
> I was 95% sure the answer would be negative.

Yes DS does have some very good bargains. Their Chinese 80W amp is one.
The TT works, and you certainly wouldn't get anything else new for $100. But
trust me, you wouldn't want it at any price.

> Only problem is that my old vinyl collection is not really worth (in my
> opinion) spending more than about $200 on. And $200 would just cover a
> pnono stage such as the NAD PP2, leaving me nowt for a second-hand
> turntable :-(

No need to spend the money on the NAD. The phono pre will not damage your
records and can always be upgraded if necessary. I have seen old integrated
amps with perfectly good phono stages on the council clean up! Usually the
output stage is blown.
Alternatively you can use the Tandy phono amp for about $20 I think. Jaycar
also have one for about the same price I think.

MrT.

From:	David E
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:16:07 GMT

"Mr. T" wrote in message
news:41e99cf3$0$16979$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> news:pl6Gd.119387$K7.66212@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> The TT works, and you certainly wouldn't get anything else new for $100.
> But
> trust me, you wouldn't want it at any price.

So you have experience with it?

David E

From:	Mr. T
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:43:51 +1100

"David E" wrote in message
news:rMmGd.120351$K7.97833@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Mr. T" wrote in message
> news:41e99cf3$0$16979$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> > news:pl6Gd.119387$K7.66212@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > The TT works, and you certainly wouldn't get anything else new for $100.
> > But
> > trust me, you wouldn't want it at any price.
>
> So you have experience with it?

Yes unfortunately. A friend asked me to fix his.
I fixed it, but told him to look for a decent S/H one.
He's still looking last I heard.

TT is crap, arm is crap, cartridge is crap.
(The phono pre-amp is the best part, but I didn't test it properly :-)

MrT.

From:	matrokr
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:39:49 GMT

sorry for the ad that follows, but i agree with mrT and others that getting
a decent s/h turntable is better than that nasty plastic deck.
And mating it with any half-decent stereo amp will sound much better than
that new item.
.... as it turns out, i've a Rotel belt-drive turntable for sale, in immaculate
condition complete with manual, cartridge, stylus. (i bought my neighbour's
barely used Rotel hifi system and am keeping the amp and tapedeck - they've
decided to join the growing tribe of 'grey nomads').
I've advertised the Rotel for $60, and am happy to post a pic,etc - if you're
still interested, you can email me at matroker at yahoo dot com. i may also
have a compact Aiwa amp of similar '80s vintage with decent phono input that
will suit; will have to look in the garage.

El Bastardo wrote:
>G'day,
>
>Mr. T wrote:
>> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
>> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
>
>I thought this turntable may be dodgy, but I recall that other DS
>products sometimes punch above their weight. Worth asking about, even if
>I was 95% sure the answer would be negative.
>
>> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>
>Only problem is that my old vinyl collection is not really worth (in my

>opinion) spending more than about $200 on. And $200 would just cover a
>pnono stage such as the NAD PP2, leaving me nowt for a second-hand
>turntable :-(
>

>-- Geoff
>

From:	KLR
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:37:22 +1000

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:35:01 GMT, El Bastardo
wrote:

>G'day,
>
>Mr. T wrote:
>> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
>> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
>
>I thought this turntable may be dodgy, but I recall that other DS
>products sometimes punch above their weight. Worth asking about, even if
>I was 95% sure the answer would be negative.
>
>> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>
>Only problem is that my old vinyl collection is not really worth (in my
>opinion) spending more than about $200 on. And $200 would just cover a
>pnono stage such as the NAD PP2, leaving me nowt for a second-hand
>turntable :-(
>
>-- Geoff

buying a decent SH one from Ebay might be the go
Sometimes pretty decent stuff shows up at pawnbrokers etc too. Much
is worth a look :)

record everything to CD - then resell on ebay TT and possibly records
too. Shouldnt cost you much at the end of the day.

From:	Trevor Wilson
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:29:57 +1100

From:	corks
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:11:11 +0800

mate of mine picked up a denon turntable with built in phono amp $250 ,
doesnt sound too bad

--

cb250rs->gpx600r->xj650->fzs600->zx7r->900ss->zx636r->yzf750r->trx850

"El Bastardo" wrote in message
news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> G'day,
>
> Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable with
> in-built pre-amp:
>
> "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
a/Product/View/A1361
>
> I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
> wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps adequate
> for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just "good
> enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these units,
> and can offer an opinion?
>
> -- Geoff

From:	Ayn Marx
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	15 Jan 2005 12:41:26 -0800

Mr. T wrote:
> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget turntable
with
> > in-built pre-amp:
> >
> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
> >
>
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
> a/Product/View/A1361
> >
> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment, and was
> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
adequate
> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound, just
"good
> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of these
units,
> > and can offer an opinion?
>
> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play it on
> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly.
> You could try looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>
I suspect it may be too late to worry about that. Those grooves may be
thoroughly re-cut already and have lots of nice little boulders waiting
in them to knock the top off any cartridge that attempts to push them
out of the way.

From:	Mr. T
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:49:28 +1100

"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
news:1105821686.889306.171120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I suspect it may be too late to worry about that. Those grooves may be
> thoroughly re-cut already

Probably, but if you are going to bother playing them at all, why make them
worse. And if you find some that aren't damaged..............?

>and have lots of nice little boulders waiting
> in them to knock the top off any cartridge that attempts to push them
> out of the way.

Yes, they WILL need to be cleaned thoroughly.

MrT.

From:	Ayn Marx
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	16 Jan 2005 14:16:04 -0800

Heretic wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:06:59 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>
>
> > Heretic wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Mr. T wrote:
> >> >> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
> >> >> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> >> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget
turntable
> >> > with
> >> >> > in-built pre-amp:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
> >> >> a/Product/View/A1361
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment,
and
> > was
> >> >> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
> >> > adequate
> >> >> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound,
just
> >> > "good
> >> >> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of
these
> >> > units,
> >> >> > and can offer an opinion?
> >> >>
> >> >> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play
it
> > on
> >> >> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly. You could
try
> >> >> looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
> >> >>
> >> > Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad
condition
> >> > it's probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick
> >> > smart.
> >>
> >> Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.
> >
> > What a peculiar mind you have.
>
> Just pointing out the obvious. Were you both not aware of what you
were
> saying? How interesting that those statements unconsciously gave
away
> those inner-most thoughts.

You may fancy yourself as an analyst of perceptive mein. However be
aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

From:	Heretic
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:50:22 -0500

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:16:04 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:

> Heretic wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:06:59 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Heretic wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Mr. T wrote:
>> >> >> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
>> >> >> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> >> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget
> turntable
>> >> > with
>> >> >> > in-built pre-amp:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
>> >> >> a/Product/View/A1361
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment,
> and
>> > was
>> >> >> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
>> >> > adequate
>> >> >> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound,
> just
>> >> > "good
>> >> >> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of
> these
>> >> > units,
>> >> >> > and can offer an opinion?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play
> it
>> > on
>> >> >> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly. You could
> try
>> >> >> looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>> >> >>
>> >> > Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad
> condition
>> >> > it's probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick
>> >> > smart.
>> >>
>> >> Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.
>> >
>> > What a peculiar mind you have.
>>
>> Just pointing out the obvious. Were you both not aware of what you
>> were saying? How interesting that those statements unconsciously gave
>> away those inner-most thoughts.
>
> You may fancy yourself as an analyst of perceptive mein.

I couldn't say that, much less understand it. BTW, the word you were
looking for is "mien". The word you chose happens to be the first word of
the title of a somewhat infamous book. Do you now see how we give
ourselves away unconsciously?

> However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
> cigar"

Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.

From:	S Roby
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:00:44 GMT

>> However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
>> cigar"
>
>Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.

He couldnt find a Humidifier for it

From:	Heretic
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:00:52 -0500

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:00:44 +0000, S Roby wrote:

>>> However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
>>> cigar"
>>
>>Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.
>
> He couldnt find a Humidifier for it

I understand that he did, actually. Which book are you reading?

From:	Steve Batt
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:16:46 GMT

"Heretic" wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.17.08.50.18.625644@montaillou.com...
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:16:04 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>
>
>> Heretic wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:06:59 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Heretic wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Mr. T wrote:
>>> >> >> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> >> >> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget
>> turntable
>>> >> > with
>>> >> >> > in-built pre-amp:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
>>> >> >> a/Product/View/A1361
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment,
>> and
>>> > was
>>> >> >> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
>>> >> > adequate
>>> >> >> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound,
>> just
>>> >> > "good
>>> >> >> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of
>> these
>>> >> > units,
>>> >> >> > and can offer an opinion?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play
>> it
>>> > on
>>> >> >> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly. You could
>> try
>>> >> >> looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> > Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad
>> condition
>>> >> > it's probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick
>>> >> > smart.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.
>>> >
>>> > What a peculiar mind you have.
>>>
>>> Just pointing out the obvious. Were you both not aware of what you
>>> were saying? How interesting that those statements unconsciously gave
>>> away those inner-most thoughts.
>>
>> You may fancy yourself as an analyst of perceptive mein.
>
> I couldn't say that, much less understand it. BTW, the word you were
> looking for is "mien". The word you chose happens to be the first word of
> the title of a somewhat infamous book. Do you now see how we give
> ourselves away unconsciously?
>
>> However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
>> cigar"
>
> Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.

Monica was deaf, Bill actually said go down and sack my cook.

Steve

From:	Heretic
Subject:	Re: Opinions on a very budget turntable from Dick Smith
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:04:42 -0500

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:16:46 +0000, Steve Batt wrote:

>
> "Heretic" wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.01.17.08.50.18.625644@montaillou.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:16:04 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Heretic wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:06:59 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Heretic wrote:
>>>> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:50:50 -0800, Ayn Marx wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Mr. T wrote:
>>>> >> >> "El Bastardo" wrote in message
>>>> >> >> news:Wx4Gd.119263$K7.45806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> >> >> > Whilst in Dick Smith this arvo I noticed a very budget
>>> turntable
>>>> >> > with
>>>> >> >> > in-built pre-amp:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > "Optimus LAB 1100 Turntable"
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41e89b080c632c14273fc0a87f9c06b
>>>> >> >> a/Product/View/A1361
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I've got a box of old vinyl collecting dust at the moment,
>>> and
>>>> > was
>>>> >> >> > wondering if this turntable is likely to be crap, or perhaps
>>>> >> > adequate
>>>> >> >> > for occasional use. I'm not after audiophile quality sound,
>>> just
>>>> >> > "good
>>>> >> >> > enough for scratchy old vinyl" use. Has anyone got one of
>>> these
>>>> >> > units,
>>>> >> >> > and can offer an opinion?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Do yourself a favour, and spare your vinyl until you can play
>>> it
>>>> > on
>>>> >> >> something that doesn't recut the groove so quickly. You could
>>> try
>>>> >> >> looking for a decent S/H TT instead.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> > Problem is ,if that old scratchy vinyl really is in bad
>>> condition
>>>> >> > it's probable any stylus trying to play it will be damaged quick
>>>> >> > smart.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hmmm. Very erotic imagery, I must say.
>>>> >
>>>> > What a peculiar mind you have.
>>>>
>>>> Just pointing out the obvious. Were you both not aware of what you
>>>> were saying? How interesting that those statements unconsciously gave
>>>> away those inner-most thoughts.
>>>
>>> You may fancy yourself as an analyst of perceptive mein.
>>
>> I couldn't say that, much less understand it. BTW, the word you were
>> looking for is "mien". The word you chose happens to be the first word of
>> the title of a somewhat infamous book. Do you now see how we give
>> ourselves away unconsciously?
>>
>>> However be aware that even Freud said " Sometimes a cigar is just a
>>> cigar"
>>
>> Maybe. But Bill Clinton changed all that, don't you know.
>
> Monica was deaf, Bill actually said go down and sack my cook.

Oh, yeah? And why do you imagine she was deaf, eh?