Anyone know why the 2 "M" sets on Sector 1 are moving to Sector 2 from 7th
February?

Is a infrastructure problem or just a political exercise?

peter

From:	Malcolm Purvis
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:47:31 +1100

>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Geier writes:

Matthew> run the train sets where crews are qualified to operate them....

How long does it take to qualify a crew for the M Sets?

Malcolm

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Q: Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip?
A: To get to the other... uh... err...

From:	Tezza
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:12:08 +1100

"Malcolm Purvis" wrote in message
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>>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Geier
>>>>>> writes:
>
> Matthew> run the train sets where crews are qualified to operate them....
>
> How long does it take to qualify a crew for the M Sets?

A week for Drivers

From:	The Flying Frog
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:54 +1100

"peter" wrote in message
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> Anyone know why the 2 "M" sets on Sector 1 are moving to Sector 2 from 7th
> February?
>
> Is a infrastructure problem or just a political exercise?

I'd go with the latter - all the others are running on the western lines
already.

From:	Albert Alcoceba
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:23:44 +1100

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:54 +1100, "The Flying Frog"
wrote:

>> Anyone know why the 2 "M" sets on Sector 1 are moving to Sector 2 from 7th
>> February?
>>
>> Is a infrastructure problem or just a political exercise?
>
>I'd go with the latter - all the others are running on the western lines
>already.

I think it's more of a case that not enough Mortdale / Waterfall
drivers are qualified for them. Makes sense to keep them all in one
Sector where you can concentrate on training the drivers for them.

Albert Alcoceba
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alberta@REMOVE.ihug.com.au
http://aussietrains.fotopic.net/
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From:	Hunslet
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:37:40 +1100

>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:54 +1100, "The Flying Frog"
> wrote:
>
>>> Anyone know why the 2 "M" sets on Sector 1 are moving to Sector 2 from 7th
>>> February?
>>>
>>> Is a infrastructure problem or just a political exercise?
>>
>>I'd go with the latter - all the others are running on the western lines
>>already.
>
>I think it's more of a case that not enough Mortdale / Waterfall
>drivers are qualified for them. Makes sense to keep them all in one
>Sector where you can concentrate on training the drivers for them.

As I understand it, it was more the case that NO Illawarra based
drivers and guards were qualified to work the two trains. It was
necessary to bring in crews from other Sectors, oftern at considerable
expense. In addition, these "foreign" crews were not qualified to
work the Waterfall-Helensburgh section, so each "foreign" crew had to
be piloted over this section - at additional cost.

Until such time as Illawarra crews are qualified in these sets, the
decision is the correct one.

Hunslet.

From:	Tezza
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:38:12 +1100

"Hunslet" wrote in message
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> As I understand it, it was more the case that NO Illawarra based
> drivers and guards were qualified to work the two trains. It was
> necessary to bring in crews from other Sectors, oftern at considerable
> expense. In addition, these "foreign" crews were not qualified to
> work the Waterfall-Helensburgh section, so each "foreign" crew had to
> be piloted over this section - at additional cost.

Even in & out of Waterfall Yard

From:	Matthew Geier
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:20:11 +1100

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:37:40 +1100, Hunslet wrote:

>
>>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:54 +1100, "The Flying Frog"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyone know why the 2 "M" sets on Sector 1 are moving to Sector 2 from 7th
>>>> February?
>>>>
>>>> Is a infrastructure problem or just a political exercise?
>>>

>>I think it's more of a case that not enough Mortdale / Waterfall
>>drivers are qualified for them. Makes sense to keep them all in one
>>Sector where you can concentrate on training the drivers for them.

> As I understand it, it was more the case that NO Illawarra based
> drivers and guards were qualified to work the two trains.

The fact that they ended up in Sector 1 when there was insufficient
crews to work them was a political exercise in the first place.

The Political directive to get a few 'token' units on the Bondi Junction
- Cronulla/Waterfall run has probably 'expired' and now a small about of
sensible rostering about to happen - run the train sets where crews are
qualified to operate them....

From:	peter
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:08:21 +1100

"Hunslet" wrote in message
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>
>>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:54 +1100, "The Flying Frog"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyone know why the 2 "M" sets on Sector 1 are moving to Sector 2 from
>>>> 7th
>>>> February?
>>>>
>>>> Is a infrastructure problem or just a political exercise?
>>>
>>>I'd go with the latter - all the others are running on the western lines
>>>already.
>>
>>I think it's more of a case that not enough Mortdale / Waterfall
>>drivers are qualified for them. Makes sense to keep them all in one
>>Sector where you can concentrate on training the drivers for them.
>
>
> As I understand it, it was more the case that NO Illawarra based
> drivers and guards were qualified to work the two trains. It was
> necessary to bring in crews from other Sectors, oftern at considerable
> expense. In addition, these "foreign" crews were not qualified to
> work the Waterfall-Helensburgh section, so each "foreign" crew had to
> be piloted over this section - at additional cost.
>
> Until such time as Illawarra crews are qualified in these sets, the
> decision is the correct one.
>
> Hunslet.

Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
Waterfall
by taxi to commence the service that started from their each morning.

peter

From:	Hunslet
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:27:44 +1100

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:08:21 +1100, "peter" wrote:

>
>Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
>Waterfall
>by taxi to commence the service that started from their each morning.

Not quite. I think that you will find that the driver came from
Campbelltown, but the guard came frm Blacktown - officially by train.

Hunslet

From:	Tezza
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:17:43 +1100

"Hunslet" wrote in message
news:o5o8u01qjof9v52de7ng8kpn579lpgg50d@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:08:21 +1100, "peter" wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
>>Waterfall
>>by taxi to commence the service that started from their each morning.
>
>
> Not quite. I think that you will find that the driver came from
> Campbelltown, but the guard came frm Blacktown - officially by train.

There are/were jobs rostered to go by taxi to prep and by taxi after
stabling.

From:	SIN CITY
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:29:21 +1100

why dont they buy some cars and have drivers for them to shuttle drivers
around at a cheaper expense rather than outsource the work yet again...

"Tezza" wrote in message
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>
> "Hunslet" wrote in message
> news:o5o8u01qjof9v52de7ng8kpn579lpgg50d@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:08:21 +1100, "peter" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
>>>Waterfall
>>>by taxi to commence the service that started from their each morning.
>>
>>
>> Not quite. I think that you will find that the driver came from
>> Campbelltown, but the guard came frm Blacktown - officially by train.
>
> There are/were jobs rostered to go by taxi to prep and by taxi after
> stabling.
>

From:	Tsunami
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:04:23 +1100

mmmm I wouldn't mind doing that sorta job....shuttle drivers around at
$20per hour..even at $12.50 per hr which is the average would be acceptable.
Would have to be cheaper than $20 per couple of km.

"SIN CITY" wrote in message
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> why dont they buy some cars and have drivers for them to shuttle drivers
> around at a cheaper expense rather than outsource the work yet again...
>
>
> "Tezza" wrote in message
> news:41e47ab8$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>>
>> "Hunslet" wrote in message
>> news:o5o8u01qjof9v52de7ng8kpn579lpgg50d@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:08:21 +1100, "peter" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
>>>>Waterfall
>>>>by taxi to commence the service that started from their each morning.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not quite. I think that you will find that the driver came from
>>> Campbelltown, but the guard came frm Blacktown - officially by train.
>>
>> There are/were jobs rostered to go by taxi to prep and by taxi after
>> stabling.
>>
>
>

From:	Hunslet
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:45:13 +1100

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:04:23 +1100, "Tsunami" gocconline dot com> wrote:

>mmmm I wouldn't mind doing that sorta job....shuttle drivers around at
>$20per hour..even at $12.50 per hr which is the average would be acceptable.
>Would have to be cheaper than $20 per couple of km.

Firstly, where do you live? That hourly rate has to also pay all
costs for the acquisition and operation of your motor vehicle, all
insurances including public liability, on call, etc.. Excluding "dead
mileage" to the pick-up and after the set down ... Waiting around
.... No thanks!

Hunslet.

From:	Tezza
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:08:44 +1100

"SIN CITY" wrote in message
news:41ea09bf$0$25421$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> why dont they buy some cars and have drivers for them to shuttle drivers
> around at a cheaper expense rather than outsource the work yet again...

With 3 drivers needed just for 1 car, sick pay, holiday pay, long service,
etc.

> "Tezza" wrote in message
>> "Hunslet" wrote in message
>>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:08:21 +1100, "peter" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
>>>>Waterfall by taxi to commence the service that started from their each
>>>>morning.
>>>
>>> Not quite. I think that you will find that the driver came from
>>> Campbelltown, but the guard came frm Blacktown - officially by train.
>>
>> There are/were jobs rostered to go by taxi to prep and by taxi after
>> stabling.

From:	Tezza
Subject:	Re: [NSW] M sets
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:16:04 +1100

"peter" wrote in message
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> Thanks for that. I knew that crews from Campbelltown had to travel to
> Waterfall by taxi to commence the service that started from their each
> morning.

And to put it to bed