"David Bennetts" wrote in message
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> The Waterfall Inquiry report was released this afternoon
> See http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/FinalReport/index.htm
>

Does anyone have a list of the recommendations made after the Glenbrook
accident?

From:	johnboy
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:53:19 +1100

There is a link on the waterfall home page.
http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/html/glenbrook.htm

"CD" wrote in message
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> > Does anyone have a list of the recommendations made after the Glenbrook
> accident?
>

From:	The Lurking Wolfox
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:27:20 GMT

David Bennetts wrote:
> The Waterfall Inquiry report was released this afternoon
> See http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/FinalReport/index.htm

Absolutely slashdotted too, I see (as wget tries downloading the PDF at
300 or so bytes per second).

From:	newbie at lost.kom
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:49:12 +1100

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:29 +1100, "David Bennetts"

wrote:

>The Waterfall Inquiry report was released this afternoon
>See http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/FinalReport/index.htm

Recommendations

98. All trains should have windows available through which
passengers can escape.

From:	Nathan & Rebecca Cox
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:48:35 +1100

wrote in message
news:5e2nu05fdgrce565peljobanl7lgkibtn7@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:29 +1100, "David Bennetts"
> wrote:
>
> >The Waterfall Inquiry report was released this afternoon
> >See http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/FinalReport/index.htm
>
> Recommendations
>
> 98. All trains should have windows available through which
> passengers can escape.
>
>

I can just see the idiots smashing them when trains are delayed at signals
or are banked up.

Or idiots just smashing them while the train is on the move just for the
full of it.

I thought having the EDR's on them was enough.

Nathan

From:	David Bennetts
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:18:17 +1100

"Nathan & Rebecca Cox" wrote in message
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>
> wrote in message
> news:5e2nu05fdgrce565peljobanl7lgkibtn7@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:29 +1100, "David Bennetts"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The Waterfall Inquiry report was released this afternoon
>> >See http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/FinalReport/index.htm
>>
>> Recommendations
>>
>> 98. All trains should have windows available through which
>> passengers can escape.
>>
>>
>
> I can just see the idiots smashing them when trains are delayed at signals
> or are banked up.
>
> Or idiots just smashing them while the train is on the move just for the
> full of it.
>
> I thought having the EDR's on them was enough.
>
> Nathan
>
You're dead wrong, Nathan. EDRs can only be accessed from outside the
carriages. Much as I deride the Daily Telecrap, it was far more useful than
other media in summarising some of the Commissioner's key points, see
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=2524394

The policy of containment of passengers must be abandoned, and passenger
initiated methods of escape must be provided.
If there is any future accident where passengers need to escape in a hurry
(eg smoke or fire) they can't rely on a train crew, particularly if the crew
are dead or injured and unable to help themselves.

There is a problem with vandalism - but other systems worldwide manage to
provide such escape mechanisms and effectively deal with the potential
misuse of such facilities.

Regards

David Bennetts

From:	Nathan & Rebecca Cox
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:45:53 +1100

"David Bennetts" wrote in message
news:JQWGd.1$IY3.512@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
> "Nathan & Rebecca Cox" wrote in message
> news:41eb9843$0$3872$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > wrote in message
> > news:5e2nu05fdgrce565peljobanl7lgkibtn7@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:29 +1100, "David Bennetts"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Waterfall Inquiry report was released this afternoon
> >> >See http://www.waterfallinquiry.com.au/FinalReport/index.htm
> >>
> >> Recommendations
> >>
> >> 98. All trains should have windows available through which
> >> passengers can escape.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I can just see the idiots smashing them when trains are delayed at
signals
> > or are banked up.
> >
> > Or idiots just smashing them while the train is on the move just for the
> > full of it.
> >
> > I thought having the EDR's on them was enough.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> You're dead wrong, Nathan. EDRs can only be accessed from outside the
> carriages.

I can still see the idiot passengers breaking their way of the carriage when
there is extensive delays like trains banking up, signal/point failures or
fatalities.And I can see the idiots smashing the emergency windows out just
for the hell out of it.

Nathan

Much as I deride the Daily Telecrap, it was far more useful than
> other media in summarising some of the Commissioner's key points, see
> http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=2524394
>
> The policy of containment of passengers must be abandoned, and passenger
> initiated methods of escape must be provided.
> If there is any future accident where passengers need to escape in a hurry
> (eg smoke or fire) they can't rely on a train crew, particularly if the
crew
> are dead or injured and unable to help themselves.
>
> There is a problem with vandalism - but other systems worldwide manage to
> provide such escape mechanisms and effectively deal with the potential
> misuse of such facilities.
>
> Regards
>
> David Bennetts
>
>

From:	David Bennetts
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:59:50 +1100

>
> I can still see the idiot passengers breaking their way of the carriage
> when
> there is extensive delays like trains banking up, signal/point failures or
> fatalities.And I can see the idiots smashing the emergency windows out
> just
> for the hell out of it.
>
> Nathan
>
Using Railcorp/CityRail policies, fire escapes in buildings would be locked
so that they are not misused. Haven't you seen the death tolls that have
resulted from such irresponsible action by management of such places? Lock
up all the life jackets on ships, so that passengers can't throw them
overboard, the same sort of mentality.

Other administrations manage the problem so that a minority of idiots are
discouraged from misusing emergency facilities, rather than omitting to
provide them and thus subjecting the vast majority to riding in trains which
are potential coffins on wheels, with no method of escape in the event of an
accident, and providing difficulty and delays for rescuers in treating the
injured.

Regards

David Bennetts

From:	Nathan & Rebecca Cox
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:01:49 +1100

"David Bennetts" wrote in message
news:ZUdHd.330$IY3.8480@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
> >
> > I can still see the idiot passengers breaking their way of the carriage
> > when
> > there is extensive delays like trains banking up, signal/point failures
or
> > fatalities.And I can see the idiots smashing the emergency windows out
> > just
> > for the hell out of it.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> Using Railcorp/CityRail policies, fire escapes in buildings would be
locked
> so that they are not misused.

Well thats stupid to have them locked up isn't it.I have seen on buses of
the handle to be used to smash out the emegerency windows.If those handles
are placed on trains just like they are on buses you can see whzat will
happen.

Nathan

Haven't you seen the death tolls that have
> resulted from such irresponsible action by management of such places?
Lock
> up all the life jackets on ships, so that passengers can't throw them
> overboard, the same sort of mentality.
>
> Other administrations manage the problem so that a minority of idiots are
> discouraged from misusing emergency facilities, rather than omitting to
> provide them and thus subjecting the vast majority to riding in trains
which
> are potential coffins on wheels, with no method of escape in the event of
an
> accident, and providing difficulty and delays for rescuers in treating the
> injured.
>
> Regards
>
> David Bennetts
>
>
>
>
>

From:	David Bennetts
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:22:37 +1100

"Nathan & Rebecca Cox" wrote in message
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>
> "David Bennetts" wrote in message
> news:ZUdHd.330$IY3.8480@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>
>> >
>
> Well thats stupid to have them locked up isn't it.I have seen on buses of
> the handle to be used to smash out the emegerency windows.If those handles
> are placed on trains just like they are on buses you can see whzat will
> happen.
>
> Nathan
>
Nothing in the report about providing hammers in the trains, Nathan. Though
you should see what they provide in longer distance and commuter trains in
the USA - a nice big fire axe in the emergency kit, all accessible to
passengers.
We'd better not put those in or some CityRail staff might use them on their
passengers.

Regards

David Bennetts

From:	Nathan & Rebecca Cox
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:29:31 +1100

"David Bennetts" wrote in message
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>
> "Nathan & Rebecca Cox" wrote in message
> news:41edb1b2$0$29133$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > "David Bennetts" wrote in message
> > news:ZUdHd.330$IY3.8480@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> >>
> >> >
> >
> > Well thats stupid to have them locked up isn't it.I have seen on buses
of
> > the handle to be used to smash out the emegerency windows.If those
handles
> > are placed on trains just like they are on buses you can see whzat will
> > happen.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> Nothing in the report about providing hammers in the trains, Nathan.
Though
> you should see what they provide in longer distance and commuter trains in
> the USA - a nice big fire axe in the emergency kit, all accessible to
> passengers.
> We'd better not put those in or some CityRail staff might use them on
their
> passengers.

Hmmm very tempting at times, there are some passengers that do deserve a
good bashing.

Nathan

>
> Regards
>
> David Bennetts
>
>

From:	Greg Rudd
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:28:10 +1100

Nathan & Rebecca Cox wrote:

>
> "David Bennetts" wrote in message
> news:Q4BHd.1$K36.660@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>
>> "Nathan & Rebecca Cox" wrote in message
>> news:41edb1b2$0$29133$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> >
>> > "David Bennetts" wrote in message
>> > news:ZUdHd.330$IY3.8480@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>> > Well thats stupid to have them locked up isn't it.I have seen on buses
> of
>> > the handle to be used to smash out the emegerency windows.If those
> handles
>> > are placed on trains just like they are on buses you can see whzat will
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> Nothing in the report about providing hammers in the trains, Nathan.
> Though
>> you should see what they provide in longer distance and commuter trains
>> in the USA - a nice big fire axe in the emergency kit, all accessible to
>> passengers.
>> We'd better not put those in or some CityRail staff might use them on
> their
>> passengers.
>
> Hmmm very tempting at times, there are some passengers that do deserve a
> good bashing.
>
The Railcorp equivelent of BOFH??? ;-)

From:	Nathan & Rebecca Cox
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:48:50 +1100

"Greg Rudd" wrote in message
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> Nathan & Rebecca Cox wrote:
>
> >
> > "David Bennetts" wrote in message
> > news:Q4BHd.1$K36.660@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> >>
> >> "Nathan & Rebecca Cox" wrote in message
> >> news:41edb1b2$0$29133$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >> >
> >> > "David Bennetts" wrote in message
> >> > news:ZUdHd.330$IY3.8480@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well thats stupid to have them locked up isn't it.I have seen on
buses
> > of
> >> > the handle to be used to smash out the emegerency windows.If those
> > handles
> >> > are placed on trains just like they are on buses you can see whzat
will
> >> > happen.
> >> >
> >> > Nathan
> >> >
> >> Nothing in the report about providing hammers in the trains, Nathan.
> > Though
> >> you should see what they provide in longer distance and commuter trains
> >> in the USA - a nice big fire axe in the emergency kit, all accessible
to
> >> passengers.
> >> We'd better not put those in or some CityRail staff might use them on
> > their
> >> passengers.
> >
> > Hmmm very tempting at times, there are some passengers that do deserve a
> > good bashing.
> >
> The Railcorp equivelent of BOFH??? ;-)
>
>

What is BOFH ????

Nathan

From:	Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:29:30 +1100

>
>
> What is BOFH ????
>
> Nathan
>
>
>

Bastard Operator From Hell, series of System admin "articles" written by
Simon Travaglia. They can be read at http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/

alan.
--
Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta
Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Engineer
Product Technical Support (APAC)
Sun Microsystems

From:	Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
Subject:	Re: Waterfall Inquiry Report out today
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:06:45 +1100

David Bennetts wrote:
>>I can still see the idiot passengers breaking their way of the carriage
>>when
>>there is extensive delays like trains banking up, signal/point failures or
>>fatalities.And I can see the idiots smashing the emergency windows out
>>just
>>for the hell out of it.
>>
>>Nathan
>>
>
> Using Railcorp/CityRail policies, fire escapes in buildings would be locked
> so that they are not misused. Haven't you seen the death tolls that have
> resulted from such irresponsible action by management of such places? Lock
> up all the life jackets on ships, so that passengers can't throw them
> overboard, the same sort of mentality.

It should also be noted that a lot of buses now carry implements to
break the windows in case of emergency.

alan.
--
Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta
Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Engineer
Product Technical Support (APAC)
Sun Microsystems