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 | | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: Homosexual activists show themselves to be enemies of free speech | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:32:51 GMT |
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 | Newspaper articles as items of interest following my 1137 hrs 14 January
2005 newsgroup post:
[#5, #21, #11, #71 * - Know-How as a Disease/ The Disease of Knowledge,
(#68, #14)]
#35 - Great Guiding Signs?/ The Virtue of Benevolence
#48 - Forgetting/ Forgetting Knowledge
#11 - The Value of Non-Existence/ The Function of the Non-Existent
#71 * - Know-How as a Disease/ The Disease of Knowledge
#14 - Metaphysical Issues/ Praising the Mysterious
#68 - Coinciding with Nature/ Complying With Heaven
"First suicide from tallest bridge", From correspondents in Millau, France,
The Australian On-line January 14, 2005
POLICE in southern France have reported the first suicide from the Millau
viaduct, the world's tallest bridge, after finding the body of a man at the
base of one of its seven pillars.
The man, who was not immediately identified, apparently abandoned his car on
the bridge before climbing over the side rail and jumping to his death.
The viaduct, inaugurated on December 14 by French President Jacques Chirac,
is 2.46km long and carries drivers 270m above the River Tarn.
At its highest point, the bridge designed by British architect Norman
Foster soars to 343m." [Courtesy: Agence France-Presse from The Australian
Breaking News @ 2100 hours on 14 January 2005 -
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11942187%255E1702,00.html ]
Letters to the Editor: It's Greek for nowhere, The Australian 15 January
2005
"FRANK Devine's apology for God (The Wry Side, 14/1) trots out the usual
sophistries about the deity's mysterious ways. Brushing aside Phillip
Jensen's nonsense about God having used the Indian Ocean tsunami as a
warning against mankind's sinful ways, Devine asserts: "God's best alibi...
is that his accusers underrate and trivialise his actual powers when they
charge him with such one-off crimes... To assert case by case knowledge of
the plans and motives of such a being is decidedly presumptuous."
By using such legal terms as "alibi", "crimes" and "case", Devine seems to
be implying God was elsewhere at the time of the tsunami - hardly a Catholic
Christian notion of God's omnipresence and immanence, but presumably
intended to link up with his later reference to the conversion of the former
atheist philosopher Antony Flew to belief in a non-interventionist deity.
Where Devine's and all other attempts to justify God's ways to humanity
fall down is accounting for what theologians call "natural evil" - i.e., all
the horrors of this life that can't be blamed on sinful mankind, from such
natural disasters as the earthquake and tsunami to disease. If God is
omniscient, omnipotent and all-loving, how can he allow such things to be?
All the attempts to deal with this problem as compatible with God's
goodness are cant, the last resort of apologists being appeals to the
inscrutable Divine Will, or to the feeble inadequacy of our understanding of
God's purposes, or, in Devine's words, to "acceptance of insoluble mystery".
Flew's non-interventionist Grand Designer is just a cop-out. When asked
whether or not he was an atheist, the late Sir Kingsley Amis replied: "Well
yes, but it's more that I hate him". If God existed, it would be necessary
to hate him. I don't hate God: I just think he exists only in utopia - which
is Greek for 'nowhere'." Marjorie Biggins or Newcastle, NSW, Courtesy The
Australian 15 January 2005 -
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/storypane/0,9421,3^5^21682,00.html ]
"China's Plan to Build a Freeway to Taiwan May Be a Bridge Too Far",
Catherine Armitage, China Correspondent
"In China, they say, everything is political, so China's technocrats have at
last hit upon an engineering project that achieves a perfect match between
political and technological ambition: a freeway from the mainland to Taipei.
No matter that they are now separated by a treacheros 160km-wide channel, or
that politically, the two sides are so far apart that they can't even agree
to talk about how to send ordinary mail to each other.
China's Communications Minister, Zhang Chunxian sad this week that a $US300
billion ($395 billion), 20-year plan for 85,000km of new Chineses highway
would include a raod to Taipei. Mr Zhang said, 'a certain means of transport
or other projects', could be adopted to link the expressways of the two
places.
The world's longest undersea tunnel today is 54km, linking the Japanese
islands of Honshu and Hokkaido. The longest bridge, according to the
Guinness Book of Records, is in Louisiana in the US, at 38.4km.
The rationale for the road is to improve logistics to help Taiwan, Hong Kong
and the Chinese mainland lower costs, sharpen competative edges and upgrade
living conditions, said Mr Zhang. But the Taiwanese were quick to dismiss
the idea as 'meaningless propaganda', and downright dangerous.
The strong Japan Current, marine trenches in the Taiwan Strait and frequent
typhoons and earthquakes meant major casualties could not be ruled out,
cabinet spokesman Chen Chi-mai said. 'As there are insurmountable technical
difficulties and ... a high degree of danger--there is a strong tone of
political propaganda.' he said.
Politically, too, the project is likely to be a bridge too far. Mr Zhang
said the so-called 'three direct links' between Taiwan and the mainland of
mail, shipping and air transport were a prerequisite to the road link. But
talks on even those links have been bogged down for years. Recently, China
said it was ready to consider non-stop charter flights between the mainland
and Taiwan for the Spring Festival in early February, the most important
family holiday of the year.
But progess is stalled because Taipei wants official talks, while China says
only 'airlines and airline associations' need to be involved.
For the 2003 Spring Festival, planes flew between Taiwan and China for the
first time since 1949, but they had to stop over in Hong Kong. Taiwan's
Mainland Affairs Council chairman Joseph Wu explained Taiwan's position in
an interview with The Australian last year: for many direct flights,
Taiwan's military 'don't have time to identify whether the incoming vehicle
has any hostile intent.'
China regards Taiwan, where the fleeing Chinese Nationalist Party set up
government in 1947 after losing to the communists on the mainland, as part
of its territory, to be reunited by force if necessary." [Courtesy: The
Australian, The World 15-16 January 2005, p 12
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au ]
"Qolon" wrote in message news:...
Divine,
I read an interesting comment from Frank D[e]vine using as his [cue], a
comment from Paul Stenhouse a Catholic priest and journalist who edits the
Catholic Journal Annals Australasia [Opinion, The Australian 4 January 2004,
p 11]
"Paul Stenhouse reminded us of this in an article in The Australian on
January 4 in which he quoted the Hebrew prophet Isaiah: 'God's ways are not
our ways; nor are his thoughts our thoughts.'
Belief in God requires acceptance of insoluble mystery. Believers see no
alternative. Nor any longer does Antony Flew, a renowned British
philosopher and probably the most influential atheist of his generation. A
few months ago, at the age of 81, Flew caused an intellectual tsunami by
renouncing atheism and declaring himself a deist. He had concluded that the
complexity of the universe defied naturalistic explanation.
In particular, Flew said, 'the findings of 50 years of DNA research have
provided a new and enormously powerful argument' for the existence of a
universal design.
Flew's belief is in a non-interventionist, Aristotelian God (philosophical
forerunner of Aquinas's First Cause). He says he does not believe in 'the
God of any revelatory system - although I am open to that'. Like Isaiah, he
dismisses the possibility of penetrating the mind of the universal designer.
Accepting insoluble mystery does not deter believers from probing. On the
contrary. Not long ago, another eminent philosopher, an Australian, wishing
benevolently to put a crimp in my Catholic complacency, asked: 'What if the
universe is unaware of our existence?'
Though I managed only flummoxed muttering at the time, I've been encouraged
since to put higher value on our advanced self-awareness. Conceivably it's
unique in the universe. Who knows?
Christians believe that the gift of self-awareness obliges them to strive
beyond self, initially towards one another, in an effort to understand God
and his universe better. That's much easier said than done. I think the
tsunami jolted thousands of us into making an attempt." [© 2005 The
Australian 14 January 2005, Frank D[e]vine, 'Engulfed by disaster, we reach
beyond ourselves', The Wry Side
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11932930%255E31501,00.html ]
As you see below, a claim to Christian belief is not only a claim made that
Jesus of Nazareth is the manifested form and substance of Godhead as First
Cause {ie. 22/7 as chronological, mathematical, taxonomical and cosmological
consideration related to its embodiment or form} but an actual acquaintance
with the psyche and persona of Jesus of Nazareth: "After readying your body
as well as your surroundings for an encounter with G-d also, you're to
'realize Whom you are directing your prayers to, what you're asking of Him,
and how to address Him'. (In fact, we're advised to direct our heart toward
G-d when we fulfill *any* mitzvah, not just that of praying.)
For if you don't do all that and merely recite the Hebrew words as if you
were somehow engaging in a fetching mystical incantation rather than asking
G-d Himself for help, you wouldn't be praying to Him so much as muttering to
yourself. Besides, 'prayers themselves are like a body, while your
concentrations upon them is like a soul', we're told. 'So when you pray with
your tongue but you're really preoccupied with other things, your prayer is
a body without a soul', which is to say that 'your body is there but your
heart is elsewhere'." [Courtesy and Copyright 2005: Rabbi Yaakov Feldman,
The Duties of the Heart, Gate Eight: 'The Gate of Introspection', Ch. 3
(Part 3) Project Genesis http://www.torah.org ]
This inner notion of soul as the Protestant Scholastic view of the
Greek/Latin Term 'Telos' may be represented mathematically as that which
accounts for form in Aristotelian psychology is held by the scholastics, as
the soul. In the basic philosophical sense of inner telos, or guiding form,
the entelecheia is that which mediates between matter {Nature contains
Nature} and form {Nature rejoices in its Nature}, potency {Nature surmounts
Nature} and actuality {Nature amended in its Nature}. The matter or
substance of a thing, as such, conveys the essence of the thing (essentia;
ousia) as only potentiality, whereas the form, as considered in itself as
actuality, requires embodiment. The actualisation of the thing, the union of
matter and form in development and occurrence, the movement from potency to
act, rests upon the inner telos, the inward principle of self-realisation;
the motive force of the development is kinesis or metabole, the activity or
transition from potency to actuality.
As I said on 4 January 2005 that if you get no further understanding from a
preliminary observation of the [Grapple] paradigm [Shown here
], than to
understand that it is not only the basis for much of Christian tradition,
but the reason for a continuing obscurity as realm of mystery--That claims
to religious belief as promulgated recently by Paul Stenhouse as being
established upon such negated foundations--is indistinguishable from vain
mysticism {ie. muttering to yourself}.
Postscript 15 January 2005 -- A fuller quote from my 4 January 2005 post
would be: "This insensate (ie. metempirical paradigm which is outside sense
perception) perspective of human action and phenomenon of nature suggests to
me, that unlike any other event with which I am acqainted, [the tsunami] has
the potential to irreparably damage the religious psyche and generate
longer-term religious turmoil--it is necessary therefore to take steps to
inhibit that process.
If you get no further understanding from a preliminary observation of the
paradigm below, than to understand that it is not only the basis for much of
Christian tradition, but the reason for a continuing obscurity as realm of
mystery--That claims to religious belief as promulgated recently by Paul
Stenhouse as a Catholic priest and journalist who edits the Catholic Journal
Annals Australisia [Opinion, The Australian 4 January 2004, p 11] is being
established upon such negated foundations--indistinguishable from vain
mysticism.
That attempts to provide flattering and self-serving rationalisations
concerning the suffering of humanity and God's control of the world, ignores
the obvious--the insensate acts of nature are but a drop in the ocean when
compared to the incalculable human misery perpetuated by the very
organisation to which Stenhouse belongs and fails to give accountability, as
presumptions made of divine nature.
....
In questioning the conduct of ecclesiastics concerning their lack of
pre-conception/prescience of the disasterous event, I am doing so in
relation to a mathematical / chronological model as overlay of space/time
and the mechanism by which the course of nature can be observed (perhaps
even predicted), Governance undertaken to achieve mastery of values,
leadership, change and thereby enabling transformation of chaos into the
equilibrium of cosmos and provide an appropriate and tational anchor for
religious life.
The lack of willingness to discourse these issues in a reasoned way and a
recognition that many of these belief systems (including Christian and
particularly Roman Catholic) are unreasoned and vain mysticism, has in the
past resulted not only in the most grievous instances of public abuses by
Australians as anti-religious and lapsed-religious fanaticism." [End of 4
January 2005 Quote]
[Note: 15 January 2005 Breaking News item @ 1332 hrs indicates an
Australian Man was killed at home flying Nazi flag: "Queensland police are
asking for public help to catch a gunman who killed a man outside his Nazi
flag-draped home. The 42-year-old victim died about 12.15am (AEST) 14
January 2005 in coastal Agnes Waters, near the Town of 1770 in central
Queensland. The dead man's Avocado Drive house is well known locally because
it is hung with Nazi swastikas and other white supremacist paraphernalia.
Police believe the gunman may have fled the scene and headed toward the Gold
Coast. Members of the public are urged to be on the look out for a white
1990 Holden Berlina with the registration number 786 GUS. The gunman, in his
50s, has been described as 180cm tall and of thin build, with a medium
complexion, hazel eyes and auburn hair. Police warned people not to approach
the man as he could be armed with a rifle, but to contact them immediately.
The deceased man was shot outside his home, but friends who woke to the
sound of an argument and gunshot, did not have a phone so drove him to
nearby Murphy Road to call an ambulance. He died before ambulance officers
arrived at the scene. While Nazi swastikas adorn the dead man's home, police
did not believe there was a white supremacist link to the shooting today."
[Courtesy and Copyright 2005 The Australian
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11946623%255E1702,00.html ]
It ought to be possible for you, as you claim a 'Divine' nature and as
microcosmic empathy with the world soul, to not simply to read of events
within tonight's news or tomorrow's newspaper and pass comment as
hindsight upon world events so described, but to delve into the realm of
foreconception/prescience as the counsel of the Almighty so as to put words
together and speak of things before they come into reality as being--And I
don't want to read about somewhere of some bridge swaying so violently as to
be temporarily closed.
Why don't you demonstrate your claim to a religious life and put silence to
your critics by reaching within and putting words to premonition before it
comes to being within the world: "Now there was a day when the sons of
God-'elohiym (the mind) came to present themselves before the LORD, and
Satan {ie. opponent, the arch enemy of good:-adversary, Satan, withstand}
came also among them.
And the LORD said unto Satan, 'Whence comest thou?'
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, 'From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it.'
And the LORD said unto Satan, 'Hast thou considered my servant Job {where's
my father}, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an
upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?'
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, 'Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast
not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he
hath on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his
substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch
all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.'
And the LORD said unto Satan, 'Behold, all that he hath is in thy power;
only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the
presence of the LORD.'" [Job 1:6-12].
- dolf
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"Qolon" wrote in message
news:4CqFd.116842$K7.21509@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.13.07.43.46.898477@TRACKER...
What?
wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.13.07.41.38.828599@TRACKER...
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:35:14 +0000, Qolon wrote:
> You aren't engaging in religious discourse on religious forums but abuse.
No - I've been attempting to tell you that if you want people to read and
respond favourably to what you post, then you need to post something that
is actually coherent and parsable.
It is quite clear, however, that you do not want people to understand you.
QOLON NOTE:
The word non-sequitur comes from Latin!
Your argument is non-sequitur because the Natural, Regulative, Metempirical
and Jurisprudent philosophy as the Religious / Political principles of
autonomous governance to which the English language finds its origins as
esoteric foundational principles are purveyed by a historical dependency
upon the Latin, Greek and Hebrew languages as sacred.
Apparently there is no other valid solution as cosmological compliant model
to the theological consideration of the 'basic elements-stoicheion of the
cosmos-kosmos' [Colossians 2:8, 20], apart from Sabbath based equation Telos
('achariyth) = Arch (re'shiyth) + c² : Genesis/Arch as (22/7) 3W1D ...
Jubilee & Torah @ Sinai as 50J + 12 x 6J as 'oth 294 year cycle + 3W1D =
6,000 (122J3W1D) years as Saturday 1 January 2000 + solar eclipse on 25
December 2000 + 6 days = Telos.
Being itself a derivative from the Greek word steicho (to range in regular
line) and as Arche is the Causeless Cause and the Unmoved Mover of
Aristotle, and also the (Monadikos) of Plotinus.
It is beyond time and therefore there is no 'beginning'. It is the eternally
present 'I am'. It is the First Principle, the undifferentiated unity of
being. It is the Source of which nothing can be said but from which
everything emanates. Time is its creation therefore it is timeless.
"Beware lest anyone should cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
according to the tradition of men, according to the the basic
principles-stoicheion of the world-kosmos, and not according to Christ. For
in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete
in him, who is the head of all principality-ARCHE {
a Kabbalistic term - a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various
applications of order, time, place or rank):-beginning, corner, (at the,
the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule [#60,
#72, #26, #16 - Being a Guide/ Returning to the Root, (#46, #36)]
That is 22/7 as chronological, mathematical, taxonomical and cosmological
consideration related to its embodiment or form:
"the image {Heb: KO INR; cf: IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM as Jesus of
Nazareth, King of the Jews [Matthew 27:37; Mark 15:26; John 19:19; Luke
23:38] from the Latin: I (#9) N (#50) R (#80) = 139 % 81 = #58} of (Heb:
ADNI) with the three signs of the name. Speak (Heb. YHWH ADNI) is the name
of the host ... by 22 corresponding to (Heb. ADNI) and the one power [as
Shaddai the Almighty God]." [Raziel p 176, 191] By Isopsephy this #330 value
equates with the Greek word Ison(omia) - 'Equilibrium, equal distribution,
balance, equality of political rights'.
} and power-EXOUSIA {
a Kabbalistic term - (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is,
(subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively)
mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control),
delegated influence:-authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right,
strength [#47, #68, #67, #26 - Ambiguous Reversals/ The Virtue of Gravity,
(#55, #27)]}." [Colossians 2:8-10]
Is your acquaintance with the Latin language the result of a Catholic
academic and theological experience.
I find Roman Catholics and other Sunday Sabbatarian Christians to be
particularly stubborn in acquiescing to the view that they as an aberration
of the sacred edict and in the absence of a valid biblical based cosmology,
have neither a monopoly on grace, nor do they have a prerogative upon
Christianity to the exclusion or sub-ordination of seventh-day Sabbath
keepers: "Do we then make void the law-nomos through faith? God forbid: yea,
we establish the law-nomos." [Romans 3:31]
Is the lack of comprehension of the Tree of Life by fools, a virtue to be
admired and praised?
- dolf
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wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.11.09.55.17.194990@TRACKER...
No - I expect you, like all persons who want their writings to be
understood, to use standard modern English rather than obfuscating English.
The standard that has always governed the writing of clear, concise
English prose, is that if there be two ways to say the same thing, then
the way which uses fewer long words is to be preferred.
Eloquent English prose, unlike eloquent Latin prose, has always preferred
short words over long words.
wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.11.09.42.42.989590@TRACKER...
LOL - you just are unable to communicate using modern standard written
English.
QOLON NOTE:
Israel,
Thank-you for your past appreciation and comprehension of my discussions on
esoteric subject matter.
As I've said previously, I make no apologies for my abstruse {ie. Difficult
to understand; esoteric; hidden--a sonorous or high-flown, grandiloquent
comment} argument as it relates to the Natural, Regulative, Metempirical and
Jurisprudent philosophy as the Religious / Political principles of
autonomous governance to which the English language finds its origins as
esoteric foundational principles purveyed by a historical dependency upon
the Latin, Greek and Hebrew languages as sacred.
As further affirmation Israel responded, "Fair enough." ["israel t"
Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:11 PM
news:87llb0xogg.fsf@kafka.homenet...]
As you've obscurely said before "Subtle and with merit." ["israel t"
31 Dec 2004 13:26:54
news:87vfajtd3j.fsf@kafka.homenet...]
On the converse, it seems especially evident amongst the "myopic zeal" of
New Zealanders which demands not only that one writes in english for
dummies, but that the lack of comprehension of the Tree of Life by fools, is
a virtue to be admired and praised.
- dolf
"israel t" wrote in message
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Pastor Dave writes:
>>If you read his posts carefully, you will find that many of the things
>>he states do have a rational basis.
>
> I have read them carefully. The man is a lunatic.
Rubbish.
Admittedly, he writes obscurely.
However, if you examine his writings carefully, you will find kernels
of truth.
In any case, what gives a person who calls himself "Pastor Dave"
a claim on sanity ?
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