According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible. We are told that
we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
Christian bible, otherwise we'll be punished, disowned and allowed to die by
our unconditionally loving maker. Christian salvation is nothing more than
being saved from having interests in life that do not include Christian
theology and ancient Jewish history.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
one source.

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

From:	Og
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:27 -0500

"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote
in message news:41f2bf83$0$26013$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
> interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible.

A false assumption on your part.

> We are told that
> we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
> Christian bible,

We are told nothing of the sort. Your disembly would at
least make an interesting debate if you would find out the
facts before you proceed.

Og

> otherwise we'll be punished, disowned and allowed to die by
> our unconditionally loving maker. Christian salvation is nothing more than
> being saved from having interests in life that do not include Christian
> theology and ancient Jewish history.
>
>
> --
> Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic)

More like abnormal gnostic.

From:	Andrew W $Paranormal Agnostic$
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:23:05 +1100

"Og" wrote in message
news:10v7eoop4tk6s6f@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote
> in message news:41f2bf83$0$26013$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
>> interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible.
>
> A false assumption on your part.

You haven't spoken to many christians have you?
If you had then you'd find that at least half if not more believe that it's
absolutely crucial to take up an interest in and study the christian bible
for salvation to take place.
It's amazing the gulf that exists between individual christians and groups.

>
>> We are told that
>> we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
>> Christian bible,
>
> We are told nothing of the sort. Your disembly would at
> least make an interesting debate if you would find out the
> facts before you proceed.

Ok, then lets burn all bibles.
Going by your attitude, no one will say a word.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
one source.

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

From:	Og
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:08:27 -0500

"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote
in message news:41f407a9$0$9355$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> "Og" wrote in message
> news:10v7eoop4tk6s6f@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)"
wrote
> > in message news:41f2bf83$0$26013$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >> According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
> >> interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible.
> >
> > A false assumption on your part.
>
> You haven't spoken to many christians have you?
> If you had then you'd find that at least half if not more believe that
it's
> absolutely crucial to take up an interest in and study the christian bible
> for salvation to take place.

I would say that I have spoken to quite a few christians.
I am not aware of any who believe that. Almost all do
end up taking an interest in the bible, this is true. But it
is an after effect of salvation. Not a means to salvation.

> It's amazing the gulf that exists between individual christians and
groups.
>
> >
> >> We are told that
> >> we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
> >> Christian bible,
> >
> > We are told nothing of the sort. Your disembly would at
> > least make an interesting debate if you would find out the
> > facts before you proceed.
>
> Ok, then lets burn all bibles.
> Going by your attitude, no one will say a word.

Again you are working with a wrong impression.
Burning bibles would matter not to the unsaved.
But the saved tend to have an insatiable curiosity
to find out all they can about this man who has
forgiven their sins. They would squawk if you
burned all the bibles.

Og

> Andrew W. (Paramilitary gnostic) An interest in spiritual anal retention
> but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
> others, nor disproved (agnostic).
>
> Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from
only
> one source.

From:	Andrew W $Paranormal Agnostic$
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:49:45 +1100

"Og" wrote in message
news:10v8b4bgv5asa1c@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote
> in message news:41f407a9$0$9355$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> "Og" wrote in message
>> news:10v7eoop4tk6s6f@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>>
>> You haven't spoken to many christians have you?
>> If you had then you'd find that at least half if not more believe that
> it's
>> absolutely crucial to take up an interest in and study the christian
>> bible
>> for salvation to take place.
>
> I would say that I have spoken to quite a few christians.
> I am not aware of any who believe that. Almost all do
> end up taking an interest in the bible, this is true. But it
> is an after effect of salvation. Not a means to salvation.

I've heard of many who have read the bible because they simply couldn't find
God any other way, and I have also heard of many who still didn't find God
even then, and I'm one of them.

It's not really fair when you're told that you must obey a god but you can't
even find him.

>>
>> Ok, then lets burn all bibles.
>> Going by your attitude, no one will say a word.
>
> Again you are working with a wrong impression.
> Burning bibles would matter not to the unsaved.
> But the saved tend to have an insatiable curiosity
> to find out all they can about this man who has
> forgiven their sins. They would squawk if you
> burned all the bibles.

They would only squawk because they have already bought into the idea that
the bible contains a benevolent god's truth and historical accuracy, which
there is ample reason to believe that it doesn't.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
one source.

The god who foists guilt onto his creations is doing so to rid himself of
it.

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

From:	Your Name Here=Harvey
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:00:45 GMT

In article <41f2bf83$0$26013$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au says...
>
>According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
>interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible. We are told that
>we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
>Christian bible, otherwise we'll be punished, disowned and allowed to die by
>our unconditionally loving maker. Christian salvation is nothing more than
>being saved from having interests in life that do not include Christian
>theology and ancient Jewish history.
>
>
>--
>Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
>but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
>others, nor disproved (agnostic).
>
>Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
>one source.
>
>"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
>been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
>
>Religion Exposed!
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
>
>

There are a lot of 'lies' in this world, coming especially from religion
(3 in particular), and that is one of them.
Everyone survives death - and ends up in the after life,
or 'fine matter' world [see the Talmud Jmmanuel].
Your belief system, etc does not make a difference.
We are all the same. A spirit living in a physical body, when the body
dies, the spirit is released.
No matter what your belief system is - you will end up in the fine matter
world - this physical reality, is a coarse matter world.

Harvey

From:	Bill Litchfield
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:08:33 -0800

"Your Name Here=Harvey" wrote in message
news:h2AId.10543$mo2.801556@news.xtra.co.nz...
> In article <41f2bf83$0$26013$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au says...
>>
>>According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
>>interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible. We are told
>>that
>>we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
>>Christian bible, otherwise we'll be punished, disowned and allowed to die
>>by
>>our unconditionally loving maker. Christian salvation is nothing more than
>>being saved from having interests in life that do not include Christian
>>theology and ancient Jewish history.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
>>but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
>>others, nor disproved (agnostic).
>>
>>Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from
>>only
>>one source.
>>
>>"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
>>been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
>>
>>Religion Exposed!
>>http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
>>
>>
>
>
> There are a lot of 'lies' in this world, coming especially from religion
> (3 in particular), and that is one of them.
> Everyone survives death - and ends up in the after life,
> or 'fine matter' world [see the Talmud Jmmanuel].
> Your belief system, etc does not make a difference.
> We are all the same. A spirit living in a physical body, when the body
> dies, the spirit is released.
> No matter what your belief system is - you will end up in the fine matter
> world - this physical reality, is a coarse matter world.
>
> Harvey

Yep, I agree with you 100% Harvey! We are all spiritual beings currently
having a human experience.

Shalom,
Bill
>
>
>

From:	Mark T
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:21:21 +1100

"Bill Litchfield" wrote:

>> Everyone survives death - and ends up in the after life,
>> or 'fine matter' world [see the Talmud Jmmanuel].
>> Your belief system, etc does not make a difference.
>> We are all the same. A spirit living in a physical body, when the body
>> dies, the spirit is released.
>> No matter what your belief system is - you will end up in the fine matter
>> world - this physical reality, is a coarse matter world.
>
> Yep, I agree with you 100% Harvey! We are all spiritual beings currently
> having a human experience.

I also agree.

Fundamentalists want to keep the afterlife to themselves and confine
everyone else to hell. They are very fear filled people.

##################################
FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THEIR FEAR
###################################

Peter Cameron "Fundamentalism and Freedom" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1995.)

p 6
the following features of Fundamentalists- a distrust and fear of
freedom ...

p. 10 ff
They will be fearful in the face of any challenge to their security and
brutal in their reaction; they will seek to bolster their security by
persuading others of its validity.; and those others will be persuaded
because of their own increasing sense of insecurity in the modern world.
....Fundamentalists need an enemy; an enemy both gives them their own
identity and unites them. ...they stand for nothing positive at all - simply
obedience to rules and the condemnation of those who break them. ... it is a
religion of fear which proceeds by intimidation. ...
Fundamentalism ... thrives on protective stupidity. ...fear in the face of
any challenge to the status quo; ... brutality in suppressing dissent;

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robin Skinner & John Cleese "LIFE ...and how to survive it" - (Methuen;
London:1993)

p. 270 - 271

John: So a religious idea will be interpreted by a person in a way that fits
in best with their existing psychology?

Robin: Yes, and it can therefore support them in functioning at the best
level they're capable of, given their limitations. ... Well, take people
functioning at the least healthy level first. They'll understand religion
as a collection of rules, of rewards and punishments, of threats and
promises, all enfoced by a powerful and frightening God.

John: The extreme black-and-white thinking found in young children?

Robin: That's exactly what it is. The thinking of such people has got
stuck at that level, and though it's normal in a very young child, it's
obviously unhealthy in an adult.
...
John: And how is God experienced?

Robin: He's seen as a terrifying, domineering, bad-temprered dictator, who
wants everyone to spend heir time admiring him and telling him how
marvellous he is. ... So naturally people holding this view feel they have
to do lots of things to keep Him sweet, so that He won't get into a bad mood
and blast them with thunderbolts, or boils, or rivers of blood.

p. 287

John: Well, everything that you've been saying implies that
[Fundamentalism] is a manifestation of a fairly low level of mental health,
doesn't it? For a start, Fundamentalists call for a literal interpretation
of scripture, and as we saw when we were discussing secular values, focusing
in on the letter of the law is a characteristic of the less healthy. In
addition, wise people tend not to exhibit literal mindedness, so it seems
singularly inappropriate to assume that this is the vein in which great
spiritual teahers are speaking. Then again, whether we're talking about
Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Hinduism, the values of Fundamentalists seem
aimed at making themselves feel better by placing all negative and
destructive emotions in people with different beliefs, and enjoying the
golden glow of self-justification that results. ... You know that simile:
'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.' ... the Inquisition did
largely miss the point of 'Love Thy Neighbour', didn't they? Wasn't burning
heretics 'worse' than being tolerant towards them? ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994)

p.18
One of the great services which Freud did was to draw attention to the
element of guilt and neurosis in religion.

p. 52
... Christianity is a religion above all of freedom. Because freedom is a
prerequisite for everything else. You cannot love without freedom, you can
only have fear. You cannot have growth without freedom, you can only have
obedience. ... There is in fact a New Puritanism on the prowl in our
society, and it has to be resisted.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:	ev7972
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:07:37 GMT

> According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
> interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible. We are told that
> we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
> Christian bible, otherwise we'll be punished, disowned and allowed to die by
> our unconditionally loving maker. Christian salvation is nothing more than
> being saved from having interests in life that do not include Christian
> theology and ancient Jewish history.

huh? other than your opinion, what is your point in posting this? we
don't seek out
God...he seeks us out...hence making us want to go into the store and by
a Bible and learn more.

From:	Andrew W $Paranormal Agnostic$
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:05:04 +1100

"ev7972" wrote in message
news:dqFId.4545$cZ1.3915@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> huh? other than your opinion, what is your point in posting this?

To show the pettiness and shallowness of christianity.
It all revolves around one Roman government compiled and sanctioned book.
As if the creative force of the universe would be so crude as to try to
teach us everything there is to life with just one poorly translated old
book.

> we don't seek out
> God...he seeks us out...

And that's your opinion, based on some ancient Jew's opinions.
It's yours and their ancient superstitious opinion against my modern,
reasoned and intuitive opinion.
If you want to go with primitive superstitious opinions over modern reasoned
observations and morals/laws then that's your choice.

> hence making us want to go into the store and by a Bible and learn more.

You assume that the bible is what it says it is - the word of the Creator of
the universe. The bible is a self witnessing object. There are no living
witnesses left, nor any declaration outside of the bible of it being the
word of a benevolent creator of the universe.
Actually it doesn't say the christian god created the universe, just all
things, which could be all things on earth. It's unspecific and ambiguous
like with everything.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
one source.

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

From:	shannon
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:27:57 GMT

According to Christians??? Who? I am a Christian and I do not believe
this, neither do I this is a correct view on Christianity.

One does not need God's word ( bible) to seek God out. It is brought on
by conviction, by our own free will and desire to know God and gain a
close relationship with him. It does not come instantly, the minute upon
acceptance or even acknowledge of him. It is like any other relationship
one has with anyother.
The biggest reason why people do not turn thier lives over to God
because it means GIVING UP thier own free will, thier right to choose
for themselves what may seem right and just.
For example, the mind set " how can it hurt me, if it doesn't pertain to
me? If it's not in my back yard, then it is okay for them... I can do
it, I am not hurting anyone"
These mindsets we place on our actions to JUSTIFY what we do in an
immoral society and lifestyle.
Christians are not perfect, many non Christians think that we think we
are better than non believers and we condemn everyone who does not think
like we do.
It is true, some of us are like that, but it has taken me a long time to
change others views about ME. I AM CHRISTIAN, BUT I want to live my life
as an EXAMPLE to show others what Christ stood for, why he died, I want
to be Christ-like, just as the word Christian means.

I did not seek out Christ in a shop, I sought him in times of trouble,
when I was at death's door. How did I do it? I called out his name. That
is all, I asked for help. DID HE? I am here today. Alive!

Many people have either a simplistic view or a hardened view of God.
Who is he really? I can only answer this by examining my personal
relationship with him.
To me he is a teacher, a friend, a confident, a loving father, a
disciplinarian, a ruler, someone who trusts me, and has faith in me,
someone who has enough love to give to everyone but yet, still allow me
to feel like his love is just for me, in the moment.

To fear God is a healthy fear, like a child does a parent when they are
nervous and cautious of "skrewing up" a child wants to please and obey,
be loved, and taught. That is what a Christian feels towards God.
A child blindly, through faith follows thier parents, that is how we
follow God.

Christian salvation is more that giving up your free will, it is handing
your life over to God to allow him to guide you because through faith we
know that he only has the best interests for us. He knows our every
need, and he opens doors for us, and closes them.
Being a Christian and being Jewish are two different things, Christians
do not celebrate the traditional feasts , Christians believe that Christ
rose from the grave, Jewish people are still waiting for Christ's
return, they do not believe in his resurection.
We recognize Jewish ways, and we care for the Jewish, just as we do any
other, we think of no one less. We recognize that God has wonderful
plans for us all, including God's beloved Isreal ( Jews)

Have you ever asked yourself this question...
Where will I go when I die?

Being an upstanding citizen, and treating others the way you want to be
treated, will not get you into heaven, ' By faith, not through works..."

God is coming for those who are "seeking " him, we only need faith as
big as a mustard seed.

Salvation is not found in a book, it is found in your heart, through
belief and faith in the one true God.
God's bible is the "food" that nurtures us, and guides us. It contains
hope, love and shows us who God is, and was. He is unchangeable.

God tells us that Christians live in this world but are not of it. Yes
that means that we give up alot, for what? For eternal life.

If you had a chance to save someone from a car crash BEFORE they got
into that car, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you do what you could to prevent
them from getting in that car and driving themselves into an accident
that lead to instant death? You were the only one who had this knowledge
and just by telling that person they didn't believe you?

Wouldn't you be desperate enough to distract them, plead with them, beg
them, risk loosing your friendship in order to save thier life?

Christians essentially act the same way with non-Christians but many
miss the mark, and sadly many Christians fail in thier desperate
attempts because they too, miss the mark and get side tracked.

Christians know already that if one doesn't give up certain desires and
wants, and needs, distruction lies ahead. a car crash that leads to
instant death. I tell you I would gladly give up everything to gain a
life of eternal life than to die instantly.

It is all a matter of what is important to you, it is like for example,
suddenly being thrown into parenthood. You are faced with fears and
anxieties, and doubts... but once you are faced with your own child, the
world holds new meaning. The old things that were important to you,
aren't any longer. Your lifestyle changes, no longer do you party, smoke
pot, live for the life of having many ual partners...etc... you
realize you are living your life for someone else, they need you, just
as much as you need them. You want to do right by your child, sure you
mess up, but at least you try, you make an effort. You are there for
your child. your life has... new meaning.

A christian lifestyle isn't so different. It is a lifestyle change, but
it is a desired change, a life altering change, once you hear the word
of God in your heart, and feel His presence in your life, it is hard to
go back to anything you knew before knowing Him.

Gosh, I still have more to say, but I hope that helps for now. If you
have any questions, feel free to email me,

srnityblu@yahoo.com

I am not on here much.

God Bless.

Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic) wrote:
> According to Christians, only those will go to heaven who take up an
> interest in ancient Jewish history in the Christian bible. We are told that
> we must seek out the christian god by going into a shop and buying a
> Christian bible, otherwise we'll be punished, disowned and allowed to die by
> our unconditionally loving maker. Christian salvation is nothing more than
> being saved from having interests in life that do not include Christian
> theology and ancient Jewish history.
>
>

From:	Andrew W $Paranormal Agnostic$
Subject:	Re: Who will go to heaven?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:13:49 +1100

"shannon" wrote in message
news:NtHId.146202$6l.52815@pd7tw2no...
> According to Christians??? Who? I am a Christian and I do not believe
> this, neither do I this is a correct view on Christianity.
>
> One does not need God's word ( bible) to seek God out.

Most christians I've talked to disagree with you.
It seems that a huge gulf exists between Christians about what's important
for pleasing their god.
Christianity is clearly in a state of shambles.

> It is brought on by conviction, by our own free will and desire to know
> God and gain a close relationship with him. It does not come instantly,
> the minute upon acceptance or even acknowledge of him. It is like any
> other relationship
> one has with anyother.

How can you have a relationship with someone you don't even know?
How can you get to know someone without getting any information about them?

> The biggest reason why people do not turn thier lives over to God because
> it means GIVING UP thier own free will, thier right to choose for
> themselves what may seem right and just.

So we have to give up our free will? God only gives us free will so we can
have a free will to give it up? Interesting.
What's the point of being given free will if you're only going to be coerced
into giving it up?

> For example, the mind set " how can it hurt me, if it doesn't pertain to
> me? If it's not in my back yard, then it is okay for them... I can do it,
> I am not hurting anyone"
> These mindsets we place on our actions to JUSTIFY what we do in an immoral
> society and lifestyle.
> Christians are not perfect, many non Christians think that we think we are
> better than non believers and we condemn everyone who does not think like
> we do.
> It is true, some of us are like that, but it has taken me a long time to
> change others views about ME. I AM CHRISTIAN, BUT I want to live my life
> as an EXAMPLE to show others what Christ stood for, why he died, I want to
> be Christ-like, just as the word Christian means.
>
> I did not seek out Christ in a shop, I sought him in times of trouble,
> when I was at death's door. How did I do it? I called out his name. That
> is all, I asked for help. DID HE? I am here today. Alive!

He doesn't have a name actually. 'God' is a title, not a name.
If you knew anything about the paranormal and higher realms then you'd know
that they don't have names there. Names are only for humans.

>
> Many people have either a simplistic view or a hardened view of God.
> Who is he really? I can only answer this by examining my personal
> relationship with him.
> To me he is a teacher, a friend, a confident, a loving father, a
> disciplinarian, a ruler, someone who trusts me, and has faith in me,

Your god doesn't trust you, otherwise he wouldn't test you.
You don't test the one you trust.

> someone who has enough love to give to everyone but yet, still allow me to
> feel like his love is just for me, in the moment.
>
> To fear God is a healthy fear,

There is no such thing as a healthy fear. Rulers who have to resort to
ruling by fear are clearly malevolent rulers. That's how mafia bosses rule.

> like a child does a parent when they are nervous and cautious of "skrewing
> up" a child wants to please and obey, be loved, and taught.

A good parent will make a child feel at ease and teach the child enough to
be able work through their issues on their own as they grow up.
When a child gets to the age of about 18 they no longer need to obey to get
along.
Christianity is all about keeping it's followers in spiritual childhood
forever with it's simplistic fear based stories and riddles.

> That is what a Christian feels towards God.
> A child blindly, through faith follows thier parents, that is how we
> follow God.

Yes I know. And that's as far as the dark bible god(s) (who are dark aliens
actually) will let you go.

>
> Christian salvation is more that giving up your free will, it is handing
> your life over to God to allow him to guide you because through faith we
> know that he only has the best interests for us.

What makes you think that he has the best interest for you? Because the
Roman government compiled and sanctioned bible says so?

> He knows our every need, and he opens doors for us, and closes them.

He closes more doors than he opens.

> Being a Christian and being Jewish are two different things, Christians do
> not celebrate the traditional feasts ,

They do celebrate many of them, just in different ways.

> Christians believe that Christ rose from the grave, Jewish people are
> still waiting for Christ's return, they do not believe in his resurection.

Reminds me of the movie Dumb and Dumber.

> We recognize Jewish ways, and we care for the Jewish, just as we do any
> other, we think of no one less. We recognize that God has wonderful plans
> for us all, including God's beloved Isreal ( Jews)

And what exactly are those wonderful plans, and why are they taking so long
to implement?

>
> Have you ever asked yourself this question...
> Where will I go when I die?

Yes, only to find that that question cannot be answered.

>
> Being an upstanding citizen, and treating others the way you want to be
> treated, will not get you into heaven, ' By faith, not through works..."
>
> God is coming for those who are "seeking " him, we only need faith as big
> as a mustard seed.
>
> Salvation is not found in a book, it is found in your heart, through
> belief and faith in the one true God.
> God's bible is the "food" that nurtures us, and guides us. It contains
> hope, love and shows us who God is, and was. He is unchangeable.

Yes, story book characters are unchangeable, unless you re-write the whole
story, but that would mean having to recall all the bibles in the world.

>
> God tells us that Christians live in this world but are not of it. Yes
> that means that we give up alot, for what? For eternal life.

So far it's been for nothing because so far we haven't heard of anyone who
has received eternal life yet. It's like that cheque that's 'in the mail'.

>
> If you had a chance to save someone from a car crash BEFORE they got into
> that car, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you do what you could to prevent them
> from getting in that car and driving themselves into an accident that lead
> to instant death? You were the only one who had this knowledge and just by
> telling that person they didn't believe you?
>
> Wouldn't you be desperate enough to distract them, plead with them, beg
> them, risk loosing your friendship in order to save thier life?
>
> Christians essentially act the same way with non-Christians but many miss
> the mark, and sadly many Christians fail in thier desperate attempts
> because they too, miss the mark and get side tracked.
>
> Christians know already that if one doesn't give up certain desires and
> wants, and needs, distruction lies ahead. a car crash that leads to
> instant death. I tell you I would gladly give up everything to gain a life
> of eternal life than to die instantly.

There is not going to be any big cosmic car crash that's going to kill us
all.
It's a lie to put you into a state of fear so you can be emotionally
manipulated.
Our souls are energy and energy cannot be destroyed, that's why it's said
that hell is eternal, because your god can't kill you (as much as he'd like
to).

>
> It is all a matter of what is important to you, it is like for example,
> suddenly being thrown into parenthood. You are faced with fears and
> anxieties, and doubts... but once you are faced with your own child, the
> world holds new meaning. The old things that were important to you, aren't
> any longer. Your lifestyle changes, no longer do you party, smoke pot,
> live for the life of having many ual partners...etc... you realize you
> are living your life for someone else, they need you, just as much as you
> need them. You want to do right by your child, sure you mess up, but at
> least you try, you make an effort. You are there for your child. your life
> has... new meaning.
>
> A christian lifestyle isn't so different. It is a lifestyle change, but it
> is a desired change, a life altering change, once you hear the word of God
> in your heart, and feel His presence in your life, it is hard to go back
> to anything you knew before knowing Him.

That presence that you believe is the bible 'God' is likely just your spirit
guide(s) taking care of you.
You don't want to cross paths with the real bible god(s) I can assure you.

>
> Gosh, I still have more to say, but I hope that helps for now. If you have
> any questions, feel free to email me,
>
> srnityblu@yahoo.com
>
> I am not on here much.
>
> God Bless.

--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).

Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
one source.

Religion Exposed!
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