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 | | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Pigs is equal | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:27:11 GMT |
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 | There was an amusing re-creation of "the Legend of the Tamworth Two" on ABC-TV the other night; story of two pigs which escaped on way to abattoirs, and whose case was adopted by the national press in Britain in January 1998. "Butch and Sundance" managed to elude capture for some time, and apparently so endeared themselves to the public they were rewarded with retirement, and spared the slaughter-house. Other films re pigs: "Babe"; "Razorback". The pig species is a successful survivor, being highly adaptable where food is concerned, and, like us, omnivorous. The domestic pig grows rapidly, becoming porker in six months, and baconer in nine. It can easily revert to wild state if released, and fend for itself. They've been trained as "sniffer dogs" at airports; and a pig brought up with dogs will act like a dog. Being quite intelligent, especially where food is concerned, they can be trained as circus animals. The hippopotamus ("river horse") is their cousin. A peasant saying sums it up: "Cats looks down on you, dogs looks up to you, but pigs is equal." ======================================
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 | | From: | AG Wolfe | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:03:24 +1100 |
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Don H wrote:
> There was an amusing re-creation of "the Legend of the Tamworth Two" on > ABC-TV the other night; story of two pigs which escaped on way to abattoirs, > and whose case was adopted by the national press in Britain in January 1998. > "Butch and Sundance" managed to elude capture for some time, and apparently > so endeared themselves to the public they were rewarded with retirement, and > spared the slaughter-house. Other films re pigs: "Babe"; "Razorback". > The pig species is a successful survivor, being highly adaptable where > food is concerned, and, like us, omnivorous.
Hi yeah, interesting animals with a bad rap ! i always found it interesting that, given the chance, prefer to build a 'nest' for sleeping/raising young, usually in long grass near water.
> A peasant saying sums it up: "Cats looks down on you, dogs looks up to > you, but pigs is equal."
yeah, good one.
cheers, A.
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 | | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:17:16 GMT |
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 | Pigs are generally clean animals, given the chance - eg. in open pasture, not confined to a sty. They might like to wallow in mud, but that helps prevent sunburn, removes external parasites. Put a pig on one side of a fence, and food on the other - the pig will find some way of getting to the food. The religious ban on eating pork (animals with cloven hoof) is irrelevant in an age of meat inspectors. The camel is another animal with an undeserved reputation; it might look grumpy, but is actually a friendly animal, with a sense of humour. It is more intelligent than a horse; when used as a draught animal years ago pulling wool wagons, it would try and figure a way of getting a wagon wheel out of a pothole, instead of merely using brute force. The owl is not wise, but can be rather stupid. Animal psychology is a fascinating topic. ================================ "AG Wolfe" wrote in message news:41C381DC.7090804@optusnet.com.au... > > > Don H wrote: > > > There was an amusing re-creation of "the Legend of the Tamworth Two" on > > ABC-TV the other night; story of two pigs which escaped on way to abattoirs, > > and whose case was adopted by the national press in Britain in January 1998. > > "Butch and Sundance" managed to elude capture for some time, and apparently > > so endeared themselves to the public they were rewarded with retirement, and > > spared the slaughter-house. Other films re pigs: "Babe"; "Razorback". > > The pig species is a successful survivor, being highly adaptable where > > food is concerned, and, like us, omnivorous. > > > > Hi > yeah, interesting animals with a bad rap ! i always found it interesting > that, given the chance, prefer to build a 'nest' for sleeping/raising > young, usually in long grass near water. > > > > A peasant saying sums it up: "Cats looks down on you, dogs looks up to > > you, but pigs is equal." > > > yeah, good one. > > cheers, A. > >
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 | | From: | Vossaka | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:45:38 GMT |
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 | "Don H" wrote in message news:gf0xd.77679$K7.18611@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Pigs are generally clean animals, given the chance - eg. in open pasture, > not confined to a sty. They might like to wallow in mud, but that helps > prevent sunburn, removes external parasites. Put a pig on one side of a > fence, and food on the other - the pig will find some way of getting to > the > food. The religious ban on eating pork (animals with cloven hoof) is > irrelevant in an age of meat inspectors. > The camel is another animal with an undeserved reputation; it might look > grumpy, but is actually a friendly animal, with a sense of humour. It is > more intelligent than a horse; when used as a draught animal years ago > pulling wool wagons, it would try and figure a way of getting a wagon > wheel > out of a pothole, instead of merely using brute force. > The owl is not wise, but can be rather stupid.
Love those silent feathers though, I'll never forget a demonstration at the Currumbin one day, first the guy had an eagle fly to his arm. Heard the wings flapping loud and clear. Then the owl - total silence.
Anyway, just to be pedantic, I don't know if wisdom and intelligence are the same thing. I think that they might meet at right angles.
Vossaka
> Animal psychology is a fascinating topic. > ================================ > "AG Wolfe" wrote in message > news:41C381DC.7090804@optusnet.com.au... >> >> >> Don H wrote: >> >> > There was an amusing re-creation of "the Legend of the Tamworth Two" on >> > ABC-TV the other night; story of two pigs which escaped on way to > abattoirs, >> > and whose case was adopted by the national press in Britain in January > 1998. >> > "Butch and Sundance" managed to elude capture for some time, and > apparently >> > so endeared themselves to the public they were rewarded with >> > retirement, > and >> > spared the slaughter-house. Other films re pigs: "Babe"; "Razorback". >> > The pig species is a successful survivor, being highly adaptable >> > where >> > food is concerned, and, like us, omnivorous. >> >> >> >> Hi >> yeah, interesting animals with a bad rap ! i always found it interesting >> that, given the chance, prefer to build a 'nest' for sleeping/raising >> young, usually in long grass near water. >> >> >> > A peasant saying sums it up: "Cats looks down on you, dogs looks up >> > to >> > you, but pigs is equal." >> >> >> yeah, good one. >> >> cheers, A. >> >> > >
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 | | From: | quietguy | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:58:09 +1100 |
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 | It is stunning to watch them fly so quietly - I raised a baby owl some while ago and was facinated to watch it learn to catch mice in near darkness - and so cute.
David
Vossaka wrote
> > Love those silent feathers though, I'll never forget a demonstration at the > Currumbin one day, first the guy had an eagle fly to his arm. Heard the > wings flapping loud and clear. Then the owl - total silence. > >
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 | | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:41:22 GMT |
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 | Both owls and eagles have very keen eyesight; the owl has to see in near darkness, and glide silently to catch something as alert as a mouse. An eagle can see a small mammal move from a great distance, and while it might flap its wings to take off, glides down for the final pounce. Speed is essential in both cases, as is surprise. On the other hand, carrion eaters don't bother to be silent; vultures and condors. Birds who are the prey of hawks come to be good "plane spotters" and recognise the silhouette above them; as compared with that of ducks and geese. I remember bushwalking one time, and we trudged across a valley towards a bare tree with a solitary object on a branch. As we approached, we saw it was a wedge-tailed eagle, which took off, and, with a single flap of its wings, glided across the valley which it had taken us half an hour to traverse. Pigs, of course, don't fly - or not yet. ==================================== "quietguy" wrote in message news:41D7EFD0.E9C615D1@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au... > It is stunning to watch them fly so quietly - I raised a baby owl some while > ago and was facinated to watch it learn to catch mice in near darkness - and so > cute. > > David > > Vossaka wrote > > > > > Love those silent feathers though, I'll never forget a demonstration at the > > Currumbin one day, first the guy had an eagle fly to his arm. Heard the > > wings flapping loud and clear. Then the owl - total silence. > > > > >
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 | | From: | Jas | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:55:07 +1000 |
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 | According to the David Attenborough series "Life of Birds", owls mostly use sound to find prey, which is why they have to be so silent themselves. "Don H" wrote in message news:6xtCd.102902$K7.88645@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Both owls and eagles have very keen eyesight; the owl has to see in near > darkness, and glide silently to catch something as alert as a mouse. An > eagle can see a small mammal move from a great distance, and while it might > flap its wings to take off, glides down for the final pounce. Speed is > essential in both cases, as is surprise. On the other hand, carrion eaters > don't bother to be silent; vultures and condors. Birds who are the prey of > hawks come to be good "plane spotters" and recognise the silhouette above > them; as compared with that of ducks and geese. > I remember bushwalking one time, and we trudged across a valley towards a > bare tree with a solitary object on a branch. As we approached, we saw it > was a wedge-tailed eagle, which took off, and, with a single flap of its > wings, glided across the valley which it had taken us half an hour to > traverse. Pigs, of course, don't fly - or not yet. > ==================================== > "quietguy" wrote in message > news:41D7EFD0.E9C615D1@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au... > > It is stunning to watch them fly so quietly - I raised a baby owl some > while > > ago and was facinated to watch it learn to catch mice in near darkness - > and so > > cute. > > > > David > > > > Vossaka wrote > > > > > > > > Love those silent feathers though, I'll never forget a demonstration at > the > > > Currumbin one day, first the guy had an eagle fly to his arm. Heard the > > > wings flapping loud and clear. Then the owl - total silence. > > > > > > > > > >
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 | | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Re: Pigs is equal | | Date: | Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:35:13 GMT |
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 | It's possible, but I doubt it; maybe supplements eyesight. Depends on pupil expansion of nocturnal or dusk predators, such as cats and crocodiles (and owls), as compared with their aural ability. An insectivorous bat certainly uses hearing (as "radar"); its eyesight being relatively poor - though a fructivous bat (flying fox) has good eyesight, and "normal" hearing - like a greyhound. Mice have large mobile ears, to detect predators, as do most other mammal prey. Pigs have well-developed nasal ability for food-seeking; eyes and ears less so. Any wild boar is a formidable animal. Hippopotamus, cousin of the pig, has largest jaws of any land animal, and can bite a lion or croc in half. =================================== "Jas" wrote in message news:41dbc78e@dnews.tpgi.com.au... > According to the David Attenborough series "Life of Birds", owls mostly use > sound to find prey, which is why they have to be so silent themselves. > "Don H" wrote in message > news:6xtCd.102902$K7.88645@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > Both owls and eagles have very keen eyesight; the owl has to see in near > > darkness, and glide silently to catch something as alert as a mouse. An > > eagle can see a small mammal move from a great distance, and while it > might > > flap its wings to take off, glides down for the final pounce. Speed is > > essential in both cases, as is surprise. On the other hand, carrion > eaters > > don't bother to be silent; vultures and condors. Birds who are the prey > of > > hawks come to be good "plane spotters" and recognise the silhouette above > > them; as compared with that of ducks and geese. > > I remember bushwalking one time, and we trudged across a valley towards > a > > bare tree with a solitary object on a branch. As we approached, we saw it > > was a wedge-tailed eagle, which took off, and, with a single flap of its > > wings, glided across the valley which it had taken us half an hour to > > traverse. Pigs, of course, don't fly - or not yet. > > ==================================== > > "quietguy" wrote in message > > news:41D7EFD0.E9C615D1@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au... > > > It is stunning to watch them fly so quietly - I raised a baby owl some > > while > > > ago and was facinated to watch it learn to catch mice in near darkness - > > and so > > > cute. > > > > > > David > > > > > > Vossaka wrote > > > > > > > > > > > Love those silent feathers though, I'll never forget a demonstration > at > > the > > > > Currumbin one day, first the guy had an eagle fly to his arm. Heard > the > > > > wings flapping loud and clear. Then the owl - total silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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