I received this query today and don't have any info. Can anyone offer
an answer or personal experience?

"are the tubers of marguarita & blackie ornamental ipomoea batatas
edible? we have been told they are called white sweet potatoes & can
be prepared the same as regular orange-fleshed sweet potatoes. i've
been unable to find information relating to edibility on several
websites."

All I have been able to find is a "No" at this informal website:

http://www.emilycompost.com/morning_glory.htm

Thanks,
Monique Reed

From:	David Hershey
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	30 Nov 2004 23:23:19 -0800

The following university site quotes Ball Seed which says tuberous
roots of ornamental sweet potato are edible. It seems logical that
they would be because the mutation was in leaf coloration. A lot of
websites say they form tubers but they are actually tuberous roots.
Even the website below confuses sweet potato (Ipomoea batatas) with
potato (Solanum tuberosum). They are in different families. Ipomoea is
in Convolvulaceae and Solanum is in Solanaceae.

Production Guidelines for Four New Crops -- Osteospermum, Angelonia,
Calibrachoa & Ornamental Sweet Potato (Ipomoea batatas)
http://www.umass.edu/umext/floriculture/fact_sheets/specific_crops/newcrops.html

This site below quotes the USDA's Vegetable Laboratory in Charleston,
South Carolina which says "‘Marguerite' seldom produces a "usable"
edible root and ‘Blackie' almost never does. If, by chance, such a
root is produced, there is no reason it could not be eaten."

http://www.mygardenguide.com/faq.html

David R. Hershey

Monique Reed wrote in message news:<41AC8EF3.CE06323C@mail.bio.tamu.edu>...
> I received this query today and don't have any info. Can anyone offer
> an answer or personal experience?
>
> "are the tubers of marguarita & blackie ornamental ipomoea batatas
> edible? we have been told they are called white sweet potatoes & can
> be prepared the same as regular orange-fleshed sweet potatoes. i've
> been unable to find information relating to edibility on several
> websites."
>
> All I have been able to find is a "No" at this informal website:
>
> http://www.emilycompost.com/morning_glory.htm
>
> Thanks,
> Monique Reed

From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	1 Dec 2004 16:01:35 GMT

In article <41AC8EF3.CE06323C@mail.bio.tamu.edu>,
Monique Reed wrote:
>I received this query today and don't have any info. Can anyone offer
>an answer or personal experience?

I think you've gotten a good answer regarding edibility.

White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and Japan.
The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The ones
I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much inferior
to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
the difference in culinary properties.

From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:38:46 GMT

In article <2004Dec1.110135.2587@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>In article <41AC8EF3.CE06323C@mail.bio.tamu.edu>,
>Monique Reed wrote:
>>I received this query today and don't have any info. Can anyone offer
>>an answer or personal experience?
>
>I think you've gotten a good answer regarding edibility.
>
>White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and Japan.
>The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The ones
>I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much inferior
>to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
>and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
>the difference in culinary properties.

The sweet bucks of my childhood (grown by my uncle and cooked with the
roast chook for that special Sunday dinner -- at midday, in the
tropics, for crissake! ) had a slightly greenish tinge internally
when cooked and a very slightly "stringy" texture (more visual than
physical). I don't remember their skin colour, but they were
*delicious* with a crisp outer shell from the oven roasting. :-)

I've got a patch of the orange fleshed kind in the backyard here; but
I admit they're basically just going wild (and doing it very tough due
to high temperatures and no rain) and I rarely think to harvest some
for a feed.

I'm told by a bloke who was breeding them here that the very sweet,
orange types are often used as a sweet (e.g. in desserts) in other
parts of the world; but it's not a common way of using them here in Oz
AFAIK.

Cheers, Phred.

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From:	Rona Yuthasastrakosol
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:44:12 +0900

"Phred" wrote in message
news:318d30F394978U1@individual.net...
> In article <2004Dec1.110135.2587@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>,
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
> >In article <41AC8EF3.CE06323C@mail.bio.tamu.edu>,
> >Monique Reed wrote:
> >>I received this query today and don't have any info. Can anyone offer
> >>an answer or personal experience?
> >
> >I think you've gotten a good answer regarding edibility.
> >
> >White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and
Japan.
> >The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The ones
> >I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much
inferior
> >to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
> >and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
> >the difference in culinary properties.
>

piggy-backing, but those sweet potatoes are most often used for tempura,
roasting, or candy-ing (such as the recipes at
http://japanesefood.about.com/od/sweetpotato/r/daigakuimo.htm in Japan.
Sometimes I see sweet potato bread or croissants (with the sweet potato used
as a filling), but the former three are the most common recipes, I believe.

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From:	Chuck
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:16:50 -0600

There is also a yam which grows in the southern Mexico wooded areas that is
edible but rather than Ipomea it is related to the Dioscorea group
(spelling?) and also has weak birth control properties. (I think diosgenin
is extracted from it, A preproduct of birth control medications. )

Chuck

"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" wrote in message
news:41afffc7$0$12675$44c9b20d@news3.asahi-net.or.jp...
> "Phred" wrote in message
> news:318d30F394978U1@individual.net...
>> In article <2004Dec1.110135.2587@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>,
> bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>> >In article <41AC8EF3.CE06323C@mail.bio.tamu.edu>,
>> >Monique Reed wrote:
>> >>I received this query today and don't have any info. Can anyone offer
>> >>an answer or personal experience?
>> >
>> >I think you've gotten a good answer regarding edibility.
>> >
>> >White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and
> Japan.
>> >The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The
>> >ones
>> >I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much
> inferior
>> >to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
>> >and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
>> >the difference in culinary properties.
>>
>
> piggy-backing, but those sweet potatoes are most often used for tempura,
> roasting, or candy-ing (such as the recipes at
> http://japanesefood.about.com/od/sweetpotato/r/daigakuimo.htm in Japan.
> Sometimes I see sweet potato bread or croissants (with the sweet potato
> used
> as a filling), but the former three are the most common recipes, I
> believe.
>
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>
> "[America] is filled with people who decided not to live in Europe. We
> had
> people who really wanted to live in Europe, but didn't have the energy to
> go
> back. We call them Canadians."
> ---Grover Norquist in Newsweek, November 22, 2004
>
>
>

From:	Phred
Subject:	Now for yams [Was: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?]
Date:	Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:07:36 GMT

In article <10r1sufj3rlsa5@corp.supernews.com>, "Chuck" wrote:
>There is also a yam which grows in the southern Mexico wooded areas that is
>edible but rather than Ipomea it is related to the Dioscorea group
>(spelling?) and also has weak birth control properties. (I think diosgenin
>is extracted from it, A preproduct of birth control medications. )

My purple yam is shooting again -- in fact it had >50 new shoots
spread over several metres at last count. The root "tubers" are
edible, but the purple colour is a bit of a worry and I would never
had tried the things if I hadn't been told by reliable sources that I
could eat it. It also has aerial tubers (bulbils?) which will grow if
planted, but I don't know if they are edible (some of these things
aren't). Frankly, I reckon yams are over-rated and I probably
wouldn't eat them by choice beyond curiosity.

One of the local supermarkets has recently been flogging another type
of yam and, judging by how clean the things are, I suspect they might
actually be edible aerial tubers in this case. Pale buff skin and
pure white flesh with even a suggestion of translucence. The texture
is light and crisp -- rather "refreshing" eaten raw, but bugger all
flavour. (Rather like the tubers of _Pachyrhizus tuberosa_ in fact.)

Cheers, Phred.

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From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Now for yams [Was: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?]
Date:	6 Dec 2004 19:01:30 GMT

In article <31duhtF378em1U1@individual.net>,
Phred wrote:
>
>One of the local supermarkets has recently been flogging another type
>of yam and, judging by how clean the things are, I suspect they might
>actually be edible aerial tubers in this case. Pale buff skin and
>pure white flesh with even a suggestion of translucence. The texture
>is light and crisp -- rather "refreshing" eaten raw, but bugger all
>flavour. (Rather like the tubers of _Pachyrhizus tuberosa_ in fact.)

Could be jicama, P. erosus, which is in the Fabaceae, or maybe P.erosus
is really P.tuberosus, with the error propagated around the web. At any
rate it's a popular vegetable in Mexico and adjacent parts of the US and
answers this description, especially if it's sort of vertically flattened.
Recently it's become popular as a salad ingredient in California new
cuisine, so the yuppies are creating a demand for it, and it's in all the
supermarkets here.

There seem to be a lot of Dioscorea yam cultivars. I don't know if they
are all D.batatas. There are a lot of people in Toronto from the West
Indies and Central America, and the supermarkets carry yams of many types
and colors. All the ones I've seem have been sort of rough and shaggy,
not smooth as you describe. There are probably culinary differences since
stores normally carry several kinds if they carry any.

From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Now for yams [Was: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?]
Date:	Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:04:01 GMT

In article <2004Dec6.140130.25883@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>In article <31duhtF378em1U1@individual.net>,
>Phred wrote:
>>
>>One of the local supermarkets has recently been flogging another type
>>of yam and, judging by how clean the things are, I suspect they might
>>actually be edible aerial tubers in this case. Pale buff skin and
>>pure white flesh with even a suggestion of translucence. The texture
>>is light and crisp -- rather "refreshing" eaten raw, but bugger all
>>flavour. (Rather like the tubers of _Pachyrhizus tuberosa_ in fact.)
>
>Could be jicama, P. erosus, which is in the Fabaceae, or maybe P.erosus
>is really P.tuberosus, with the error propagated around the web. At any
>rate it's a popular vegetable in Mexico and adjacent parts of the US and
>answers this description, especially if it's sort of vertically flattened.
>Recently it's become popular as a salad ingredient in California new
>cuisine, so the yuppies are creating a demand for it, and it's in all the
>supermarkets here.

Yeah. They are "sort of vertically flattened", so maybe they are as
you suggest. I've only eaten _P. tuberosa_ tubers dug out of a local
yard, and they were pretty dirty. :-) So I rather assumed these
really clean things from the supermarket must have been an aerial
organ, and we had been discussing _Dioscorea_ "bulbils" around the
smoko table not long before. (In fact a colleague had brought some in
for us to try -- from a form known to be edible of course. 8-)

>There seem to be a lot of Dioscorea yam cultivars. I don't know if they
>are all D.batatas. There are a lot of people in Toronto from the West
>Indies and Central America, and the supermarkets carry yams of many types
>and colors. All the ones I've seem have been sort of rough and shaggy,
>not smooth as you describe. There are probably culinary differences since
>stores normally carry several kinds if they carry any.

Cheers, Phred.

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From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Now for yams [Was: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?]
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:15:49 GMT

preserve
theirs.

Although Judith Exner: My Story is pretty thin and prosaic, it
runs on for 300 pages. But evidently, Demaris didn't ask enough
tough questions. Because in 1988 Exner's story started growing
arms and legs. In the February 29, 1988 issue of People magazine,
Kennedy's picture appeared on the cover. The magazine now did
what the Church Committee could not: it linked Kennedy with the
plots to kill Castro. The story billed Exner as "the link between
JFK and the Mob."

Exner's 1988 Version

Exner's writer for her new rendition was none other than Kitty
Kelley, the woman who shattered the non-fiction category forever
by reducing it to tabloid standards. Significantly, the article
was entitled "The Dark Side of Camelot," a phrase used by Ron
Rosenbaum (who will be discussed later) and the title of the
upcoming book by Sy Hersh, of whom Kelley is a great admirer. In
this new version, Exner now said that she was seeing Sam Giancana
at Kennedy's bidding. She even helped arrange meetings between
JFK and Giancana and JFK and Roselli. Some of the meetings took
place at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Why would Kennedy need
personal consultation with gangsters like Sam and John? To cinch
elections on his ruthless way to the White House

From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Now for yams [Was: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?]
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:50:26 GMT

Milford,
Pennsylvania.

I could also quote other versions of the diary search e.g. the
sketchy one in the book Katherine the Great. But the point is
clear that someone - perhaps more than one - is lying. The
versions are not reconcilable. And they can't be chalked up to
memory lapses, not for such an unusual, even singular event. It
is striking that even the time frame and principals involved
change between versions. Concerning the former, if the call from
the Truitts came in the night of Mary's death, why wait five days
to search for the diary? About the latter, either all the people
who say they were there were not, or are lying about the presence
of others. Rosenbaum got interviews with some of the principals,
Angleton, Bradlee, and others who gave him bits of information
(Cord Meyer would seem to be a source). Yet in his detailed
account he can, with a straight face, write that the bonds among
those involved in the search were so strong that years later,
some of them attended a seance to attempt to establish contact
with Mary's departed spirit. Can anyone imagine Angleton or
Bradlee sitting through a seance? (I could

From:	Chuck
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:09:36 GMT

his article in The Humanist (Probe Vol.
4 #3 p. 8). He was an acquaintance of Peter Lawford's who talked
to him a few times about the assassination. Jones' notes from
that phone call includes the following:
Lawford told him that Jackie knew right away that shots came
from the front as did Powers and O'Donnell. He said shortly
after the funeral the family got together.... Bobby told the
family that it was a high level military/CIA plot and that
he felt powerless to do anything about it.... the family
always felt that JFK's refusal to commit to Vietnam was one
of the reasons for the assassination....Lawford told him
that the kids were all told the truth as they grew up but it
was Teddy who insisted that the family put the thing to
rest.

Evidently, Teddy wanted to preserve his career in the political
arena and knew that any airing of the case would jeopardize it.
Which was probably true. Under those circumstances, the Kennedys
can't even protect themselves.

This is understandable in human terms. But the compromise allows
the likes of Reeves, de Toledano, and Hersh to take the field
with confidence. The Kennedys are silent; they won't sue; it must
be true. As a corollary, this shows that the old adage about
history being written by the victors stand

From:	Phred
Subject:	Now for yams [Was: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?]
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:09:18 GMT

been revealed, without knowing what his mission had
been, seems inconceivable. (Davis p. 297.)

Imagine the images conjured up by this passage to a reader who
has not read the report. I had read the report and I thought I
had missed something. How did I forget about Kennedy's private
meeting with Tony Varona in the Oval office? JFK asks Varona why
he couldn't get at Castro and then pats him on the head and says
try it again. When I turned to page 124 in the report, I saw why
I didn't remember it. The meeting, as described by Davis, did not
occur. At the real meeting are Kennedy, Robert McNamara, General
Lyman Lemnitzer "and other Administration officials." Also in the
room "were several members of Cuban groups involved in the Bay of
Pigs." The report makes clear that this was the beginning of the
general review of the Bay of Pigs operation that would, within
three weeks, result in the Taylor Review Board which would then
recommend reforms in CIA control of covert operations. There is
no hint, so pregnant in Davis' phra

From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	4 Dec 2004 16:31:57 GMT

In article <318d30F394978U1@individual.net>,
Phred wrote:
>In article <2004Dec1.110135.2587@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>>
>>White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and Japan.
>>The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The ones
>>I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much inferior
>>to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
>>and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
>>the difference in culinary properties.
>
>The sweet bucks of my childhood (grown by my uncle and cooked with the
>roast chook for that special Sunday dinner -- at midday, in the
>tropics, for crissake! ) had a slightly greenish tinge internally
>when cooked and a very slightly "stringy" texture (more visual than
>physical). I don't remember their skin colour, but they were
>*delicious* with a crisp outer shell from the oven roasting. :-)

Interesting. IIRC, white sweet potatoes are sometimes recommended as a
substitute for "real" potatoes (Solanum tuberosum) in climates too hot to
grow the latter. They are a bit similar -- dry and starchy.

>I've got a patch of the orange fleshed kind in the backyard here; but
>I admit they're basically just going wild (and doing it very tough due
>to high temperatures and no rain) and I rarely think to harvest some
>for a feed.

They are very nutritious -- extremely high in carotenes. I cook them
whole in a covered container in the microwave and eat them hot or cold
with salt and pepper. The very moist kind, with "melting" texture, are
especially good this way.

>I'm told by a bloke who was breeding them here that the very sweet,
>orange types are often used as a sweet (e.g. in desserts) in other
>parts of the world; but it's not a common way of using them here in Oz
>AFAIK.

They are sometimes "candied", i.e. peeled, cut into chunks and baked in
a way that coats them with a sugary glaze, in the southern US. They
can also be used to make sweet potato pies, by substituting mashed
sweet potato for pumpkin or squash in a pumpkin pie recipe.

(A little more ethnobotany for non-North Americans: a pumpkin pie is
made by baking a mix of pureed squash (Cucurbita moschata or C.maxima
is generally better for this than C.pepo), milk, eggs, molasses and
spices like cinnamon and ginger with only a lower crust. For a
healthier version, cut back on the eggs, use low fat milk and skip the
crust entirely. By not using a crust, you not only avoid loads of fat
but you can "bake" it in the microwave. Pumpkin pies are often served
with whipped cream or vanilla ice cream, but you can certainly skip
that as well.)

From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:27:26 GMT

on for a few minutes to make the point how strongly
he and his brothers felt that the United States should never
be in a situation of having recourse to assassination.

Szulc's notes of the meeting state:
JFK then said he was testing me, that he felt the same way -
he added "I'm glad you feel the same way" - because indeed
the U. S. morally must not be part (sic) to assassinations.

The Church Committee also heard testimony from Smathers who
stated that once when it was brought up in his presence
(presumably by the CIA friendly Smathers), Kennedy got so mad he
smashed a dinner plate and told him he did want to hear of such
things again (Alleged Assassination Plots p. 124). Smathers
furthered this portrait later when he stated that:
President Kennedy seemed "horrified" at the idea of
political assassination. "I remember him saying. . .that the
CIA frequently did things he didn't know about, and he was
unhappy about it. He complained that the CIA was almost
autonomous. He told me he believed the CIA had arranged to
have Diem and Trujillo bumped off. He was pretty well
shocked about that. He thought it was a stupi

From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:22:40 GMT

because it implies a relationship between the two couples. And
his wife's loyalty to Angleton is proven.

Truitt and Leary add Drugs

As noted earlier, Jim Truitt gave this curious tale its first
public airing in 1976, on the heels of the Church Committee. From
there, the Washington Post (under Bradlee) picked it up. There
had been an apparent falling out between Truitt and Bradlee and
Truitt said that he wanted to show that Bradlee was not the
crusader for truth that Watergate or his book on Kennedy had made
him out to be. In the National Enquirer, Truitt stated that Mary
had revealed her affair with Kennedy while she was alive to he
and his wife. He then went further. In one of their romps in the
White House, Mary had offered Kennedy a couple of marijuana
joints, but coke-sniffer Kennedy said, "This isn't like cocaine.
I'll get you some of that."

The chemical addition to the story was later picked up by drug
guru Tim Leary in his book Flashbacks. Exner-like, the angle grew
appendages. Leary went beyond grass and cocaine. According to
Leary, Mary Meyer was consulting with him about how to conduct
acid sessions and how to get psychedelic drugs in 1962. Leary met
her on several occasions and she said that she and a small circle
of friends had turned on several times. She also had one other
friend who was "a very important man" who she also wanted to turn
on. After Kennedy's assassination, Mary called Leary and met with
him. She was cryptic but she did say, "They couldn't control him
any more. He was changing too fast. He was learning too much."

The implication being that a "turned on" J

From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:35:08 GMT

In article <2004Dec4.113157.11756@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>In article <318d30F394978U1@individual.net>,
>Phred wrote:
>>In article <2004Dec1.110135.2587@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>,
> bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and Japan.
>>>The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The ones
>>>I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much inferior
>>>to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
>>>and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
>>>the difference in culinary properties.
>>
>>The sweet bucks of my childhood (grown by my uncle and cooked with the
>>roast chook for that special Sunday dinner -- at midday, in the
>>tropics, for crissake! ) had a slightly greenish tinge internally
>>when cooked and a very slightly "stringy" texture (more visual than
>>physical). I don't remember their skin colour, but they were
>>*delicious* with a crisp outer shell from the oven roasting. :-)
>
>Interesting. IIRC, white sweet potatoes are sometimes recommended as a
>substitute for "real" potatoes (Solanum tuberosum) in climates too hot to
>grow the latter. They are a bit similar -- dry and starchy.
>
>>I've got a patch of the orange fleshed kind in the backyard here; but
>>I admit they're basically just going wild (and doing it very tough due
>>to high temperatures and no rain) and I rarely think to harvest some
>>for a feed.
>
>They are very nutritious -- extremely high in carotenes. I cook them
>whole in a covered container in the microwave and eat them hot or cold
>with salt and pepper. The very moist kind, with "melting" texture, are
>especially good this way.

When you say "whole", do you mean unpeeled, or just uncut?
Roughly what size do you use, and how long to cook? (As you can see,
you've got me thinking about a harvest. ;-)

>>I'm told by a bloke who was breeding them here that the very sweet,
>>orange types are often used as a sweet (e.g. in desserts) in other
>>parts of the world; but it's not a common way of using them here in Oz
>>AFAIK.
>
>They are sometimes "candied", i.e. peeled, cut into chunks and baked in
>a way that coats them with a sugary glaze, in the southern US. They
>can also be used to make sweet potato pies, by substituting mashed
>sweet potato for pumpkin or squash in a pumpkin pie recipe.
>
>(A little more ethnobotany for non-North Americans: a pumpkin pie is
>made by baking a mix of pureed squash (Cucurbita moschata or C.maxima
>is generally better for this than C.pepo), milk, eggs, molasses and
>spices like cinnamon and ginger with only a lower crust. For a

I have to admit, I'd never have thought of molasses in that.

>healthier version, cut back on the eggs, use low fat milk and skip the
>crust entirely. By not using a crust, you not only avoid loads of fat
>but you can "bake" it in the microwave. Pumpkin pies are often served
>with whipped cream or vanilla ice cream, but you can certainly skip
>that as well.)

Wot? I would have thought the pie would just be a convenient base for
those edibles! :)

Cheers, Phred.

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From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	6 Dec 2004 17:28:22 GMT

In article <31gh0tF3b2331U1@individual.net>,
Phred wrote:
>In article <2004Dec4.113157.11756@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>>
>>>I've got a patch of the orange fleshed kind in the backyard here; but
>>>I admit they're basically just going wild (and doing it very tough due
>>>to high temperatures and no rain) and I rarely think to harvest some
>>>for a feed.
>>
>>They are very nutritious -- extremely high in carotenes. I cook them
>>whole in a covered container in the microwave and eat them hot or cold
>>with salt and pepper. The very moist kind, with "melting" texture, are
>>especially good this way.
>
>When you say "whole", do you mean unpeeled, or just uncut?
>Roughly what size do you use, and how long to cook? (As you can see,
>you've got me thinking about a harvest. ;-)

Life is too short to spend it peeling vegetables. You can scoop the
flesh out of the skin when you eat them, or just go ahead and eat the
skin. Fibre is *good* for you, it's not just laziness, right? ;-)

Unfortunately only the most fervent and dedicated can grow sweet
potatoes in Ontario, except for a few favored locations, so I have to
buy them. I try to get them less than 8cm or so diameter so they'll
cook faster, but size doesn't really matter, as long as it's fairly
uniform. How long? Hm. 10 minutes on high and then check them and
give them another 5 or 10 minutes if they are still hard in the
center? Something like that.

IIRC, in this climate it's necessary to mature the dug roots by keeping
them warm (over 80F - 27C) for a few weeks, or they won't develop full
flavour or keep well, but this may be only because the soil is pretty
cold by the time they are dug. It may not be necessary in a more
appropriate climate.

>>(A little more ethnobotany for non-North Americans: a pumpkin pie is
>>made by baking a mix of pureed squash (Cucurbita moschata or C.maxima
>>is generally better for this than C.pepo), milk, eggs, molasses and
>>spices like cinnamon and ginger with only a lower crust. For a
>
>I have to admit, I'd never have thought of molasses in that.

Pumpkin pie is really quite a different food than squash cooked as a
vegetable. Look up some recipes and try it some time, with either
squash or sweet potato. A good source of recipes for *anything* is
www.cooks.com. Note that in the US, sweet potatoes are often called
yams.

Using molasses with squash probably goes back to the use of maple syrup
or maple sugar by the North American native people who grew
squash and beans long before European contact. A lot of "traditional
American" recipes are derived from native foods, with molasses substituted
for maple sugar and pork fat substituted for bear fat, e.g. Boston baked
beans. Ditto for many uses of maize. Molasses became a staple in the
northeastern US when it was one of the main trade items in the commercial
circuit that moved manufactured goods from England, slaves from Africa,
sugar, molasses and rum from the West Indies and dried codfish and lumber
from New England and eastern Canada around the North Atlantic.

From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:57:47 GMT

" Is one to conclude that Clinton is a radical? Was
the Kennedy book a put-up job to place them over the top with
their right-wing sponsors? Or do they really find Kitty Kelley
credible? Could they really not have known that Priscilla Johnson
McMillan was doing the same thing with Kennedy that she had
recently done with Oswald in her book Marina and Lee? To put it
another way: if your function is to discredit a decade, what
better way to do it than to smear the man most responsible for
ushering it in?

A Question of Character,
But Not Kennedy's

Which brings us to Thomas Reeves. By the nineties, the negative
literature on the Kennedys had multiplied so much that it was
possible just to put it all together and make a compendium of it.
In 1991, Reeves did just that with his book A Question of
Character. It obediently follows the path paved by its noted
predecessors. In fact, many of his footnotes are to Davis and to
Collier and Horowitz. Although Reeves is another Ph. D., he never
questions the faulty methodology I have pointed out. On the
contrary, by ignoring the primary sources, he can actually state
that JFK authorized the Castro plots, and that John Davis is
especially authoritative on the issue (p. 463). Predictably, he
completely buys into Exner's book and, like Liz Smith, tries to
portray her as a victim of the Kennedy protecting "liberal media"
(p. 424). He even endorses the Kitty Kelley 1988 People update of
Exner's story, finding

From:	Chuck
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Sun, 5 Dec 2004 07:44:00 -0600

FORGOT TO MENTION. ive had sweet potatoes sliced as thin julienne's then
deep fried and powdered lightly with powdered sugar, Served on holidays
they are delicious. A Vietnamese treat I enjoy.

Chuck

"Phred" wrote in message
news:31gh0tF3b2331U1@individual.net...
> In article <2004Dec4.113157.11756@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>,
> bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>>In article <318d30F394978U1@individual.net>,
>>Phred wrote:
>>>In article <2004Dec1.110135.2587@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>,
>> bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>White sweet potatoes seem to be the most popular kinds in Korea and
>>>>Japan.
>>>>The Korean greengrocers here all stock them and no other kinds. The
>>>>ones
>>>>I see all have red skin. I find them dry and bland tasting, much
>>>>inferior
>>>>to the usual moist orange or yellow fleshed kind, but perhaps in Korean
>>>>and Japanese cuisine they are prepared in a way that takes advantage of
>>>>the difference in culinary properties.
>>>
>>>The sweet bucks of my childhood (grown by my uncle and cooked with the
>>>roast chook for that special Sunday dinner -- at midday, in the
>>>tropics, for crissake! ) had a slightly greenish tinge internally
>>>when cooked and a very slightly "stringy" texture (more visual than
>>>physical). I don't remember their skin colour, but they were
>>>*delicious* with a crisp outer shell from the oven roasting. :-)
>>
>>Interesting. IIRC, white sweet potatoes are sometimes recommended as a
>>substitute for "real" potatoes (Solanum tuberosum) in climates too hot to
>>grow the latter. They are a bit similar -- dry and starchy.
>>
>>>I've got a patch of the orange fleshed kind in the backyard here; but
>>>I admit they're basically just going wild (and doing it very tough due
>>>to high temperatures and no rain) and I rarely think to harvest some
>>>for a feed.
>>
>>They are very nutritious -- extremely high in carotenes. I cook them
>>whole in a covered container in the microwave and eat them hot or cold
>>with salt and pepper. The very moist kind, with "melting" texture, are
>>especially good this way.
>
> When you say "whole", do you mean unpeeled, or just uncut?
> Roughly what size do you use, and how long to cook? (As you can see,
> you've got me thinking about a harvest. ;-)
>
>>>I'm told by a bloke who was breeding them here that the very sweet,
>>>orange types are often used as a sweet (e.g. in desserts) in other
>>>parts of the world; but it's not a common way of using them here in Oz
>>>AFAIK.
>>
>>They are sometimes "candied", i.e. peeled, cut into chunks and baked in
>>a way that coats them with a sugary glaze, in the southern US. They
>>can also be used to make sweet potato pies, by substituting mashed
>>sweet potato for pumpkin or squash in a pumpkin pie recipe.
>>
>>(A little more ethnobotany for non-North Americans: a pumpkin pie is
>>made by baking a mix of pureed squash (Cucurbita moschata or C.maxima
>>is generally better for this than C.pepo), milk, eggs, molasses and
>>spices like cinnamon and ginger with only a lower crust. For a
>
> I have to admit, I'd never have thought of molasses in that.
>
>>healthier version, cut back on the eggs, use low fat milk and skip the
>>crust entirely. By not using a crust, you not only avoid loads of fat
>>but you can "bake" it in the microwave. Pumpkin pies are often served
>>with whipped cream or vanilla ice cream, but you can certainly skip
>>that as well.)
>
> Wot? I would have thought the pie would just be a convenient base for
> those edibles! :)
>
>
> Cheers, Phred.
>
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From:	Phred
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:24:52 GMT

In article <10r643v8t6td1f2@corp.supernews.com>, "Chuck" wrote:
>FORGOT TO MENTION. ive had sweet potatoes sliced as thin julienne's then
>deep fried and powdered lightly with powdered sugar, Served on holidays
>they are delicious. A Vietnamese treat I enjoy.

Yeah. The breeder I mentioned earlier has occasionally done similar
things with his lines of orange sweet bucks for the benefit of his
deserving colleagues.

In that case, they were presented as "chips" analogous to potato chips
(the "thin slice" supermarket style) with salt and/or other seasoning,
not with sugar. Went down very well with cold beer on a hot day. :-)

Cheers, Phred.

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From:	Chuck
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:15:02 GMT

avoids an
important detail. Namely, how the Truitts found out about Mary's
death in the middle of the night halfway around the world.

Someone must have either called or wired them. Why is this matter
never addressed in any version? The logical choice as contacts
would be the Angletons. This is apparently off limits for Ron. If
he drew attention to his lack of curiosity on this matter, it
would hint that something is being papered over in order to
conceal a point.

If that were so, then a previous occurrence in Jim Truitt's
career would bear mentioning, since it quite closely resembles
what he did later in 1976. In August of 1961, Truitt had called
Bradlee and said he had evidence that Kennedy had been previously
married before his wedding to Jackie, and that this fact had been
covered up. Both Bradlee and Truitt pursued the story. But before
they printed it they asked Kennedy about it. He referred them to
Pierre Salinger, his press secretary. Salinger had already heard
the charge from rightwing commentator Fulton Lewis. He had all
his points lined up and proved the story false. Bradlee's account
in Conversations With Kennedy (pp. 43-49) seems to suggest that
Truitt and Bradlee still worked on the story after they were
shown it was wrong.

Also intriguing is a flourish added in Rosenbaum's version, which
appears heavily reliant on the Truitts and Angletons as sources.
Rosenbaum writes that Mary's diary, although usually laid upon
her bedroom bookcase, was found in a locked steel box in her
studio. Rosenbaum doesn't probe as to why it was not found in its
usary&resting place. The locked steel box is not a part of any
other version of the story I know, including Tony Bradlee's, and,
in all versions, she supposedly found the diary. Of course, a
locked box sugge

From:	bae at cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Subject:	Re: Edibility of ornamental Ipomoea batatas?
Date:	Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:48:05 GMT

48. Paul Kennedy, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers (1987).

49. James Podgers, Greetings from Independent Hawaii, ABA Journal, June
1997, at 74.

50. See U.N. Security Council Resolution 1502 (2003).

51. James Petras, The Politics of the U.N. Tragedy, Rebelión, Aug. 24,
2003.

52. Francis A. Boyle, Is Bosnia the End of the Road for the United
Nations?, 6 Periodica Islamica, No. 2, at 45 (1996).

53. Denis Halliday, The U.N. Failed the Iraqi People, Socialist Worker,
Sept. 5, 2003. See also Karima Bennoune, 'Sovereignty vs. Suffering'?
Re-examining Sovereignty and Human Human Rights Through the Lens of
Iraq, 13 European Journal of International Law, No. 1, at 243-62 (2002).

54. Cynthia D. Wallace, Kellogg-Briand Pact (1928), 3 Encyclopedia of
Public International Law 236 (1982).

55. Werner Meng, Stimson Doctrine, 4 Encyclopedia of Public
International Law 230 (1982).

56. Michael J. Glennon, Why the Security Council Failed, Foreign
Affairs, May/June 2003, at 16.

57. Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer, Brave New World Order (1992).

58. Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, Bush Family Ties to Nazi
Germany - the Legacy of Prescott Herbert Bush, Global Outlook, No. 5, at
54 (Summer/Fall 2003).

59. Christopher Hitchens, The Trial of Henry Kissinger (2002).

60. Francis A. Boyle, The Bosnian People Charge Genocide (1996).

61. See generally Young Sok Kim, The International Criminal Court
(2003).

62. Louis B. Sohn, Cases on United Nations Law 527-609 (2d ed. 1967).

63. Leon Jaworski, The Right and the Power (1977); Bob Woodward & Carl
Bernstein, The Final Days (1976).

64. Howard Zinn, The Future of History (1999); Michael Parenti, History
as Mystery (1999).

65. William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1960).

Iraq is Moot
It's not about Iraq
or weapons of mass destruction
It's about corporate empire
and America's function
in the new world order:

America on the top,