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 | | From: | gte830u at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Two questions that are never brought up | | Date: | Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:54:22 GMT |
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Okay, I've attended church all my life. Once I started reading the
bible on my own, I hit a few bumps that my church never talks about -
nor any other church I've attended.
1) John 20:17 "Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my
Father..." Okay.....so why would Jesus say that? What would touching
him be a problem? Here's the kicker: THAT NIGHT Jesus was not only
touching people, but telling Thomas to touch his hands for proof of his
identity. The only equivalent (that I know) is when the priests go
into the holy of holies in the old testament. Does this mean Jesus was
raised to life, went into heaven and sprinkled his blood (somewhere) up
there as a passover lamb AFTER seeing Mary, but BEFORE seeing anyone
else?
2) Matthew 27:52-53 (Moments after Jesus' death) "The tombs were
opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were
raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered
the holy city and appeared to many." Yeah. I've heard a lot of
sermons, and not one on this passage. The only explanation I could
come up with here is the closing of Abraham's bosom, and the removing
the curse of sin by Jesus for old testament dudes. So what happened to
these walking zombies, so to speak, after that?
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| | From: | Pastor R.D. Weekly | | Subject: | Re: Two questions that are never brought up | | Date: | Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:48:48 GMT |
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Hi.
I'm sorry that nobody has yet responded to your post, I've just today seen
it.
1) Jesus told Mary not to touch Him for a very good reason. The principle of
firstfruits demands that the first of everything be presented to God in
completely undefiled form. That's why God always demanded the unspotted
lamb, and other perfect offerings (consider Cain and Abel's offerings). So,
since Jesus was the firstfruits of righteousness in and through the
resurrection, He had to be presented to the Father in undefiled form first,
without being touched by flesh.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. -
Romans 8:29
So, to answer your second question in this paragraph, Jesus did go to heaven
after meeting Mary but before presenting Himself to His disciples later on.
At that point, it was okay to touch Him because He had already presented
Himself to the Father.
2) The Bible doesn't record what happens to those people after they went
back into the city, so any answer would be pure speculation, which is
dangerous when talking about the Bible. So, I'll leave this particular
question open.
I will say that your interpretation that this could refer to the closing
(transferral, rather) of Abraham's bosom is a very good extrapolation.
However, the text doesn't say that all the bodies of the dead saints were
resurrected, but many. Many doesn't even imply "most", so it may not
necessarily refer to that, although it definitely "could". Very good
thought.
Yours in the love of Christ,
Pastor RD Weekly
http://forums.studythebible.us
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> Okay, I've attended church all my life. Once I started reading the
> bible on my own, I hit a few bumps that my church never talks about -
> nor any other church I've attended.
>
> 1) John 20:17 "Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my
> Father..." Okay.....so why would Jesus say that? What would touching
> him be a problem? Here's the kicker: THAT NIGHT Jesus was not only
> touching people, but telling Thomas to touch his hands for proof of his
> identity. The only equivalent (that I know) is when the priests go
> into the holy of holies in the old testament. Does this mean Jesus was
> raised to life, went into heaven and sprinkled his blood (somewhere) up
> there as a passover lamb AFTER seeing Mary, but BEFORE seeing anyone
> else?
>
> 2) Matthew 27:52-53 (Moments after Jesus' death) "The tombs were
> opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were
> raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered
> the holy city and appeared to many." Yeah. I've heard a lot of
> sermons, and not one on this passage. The only explanation I could
> come up with here is the closing of Abraham's bosom, and the removing
> the curse of sin by Jesus for old testament dudes. So what happened to
> these walking zombies, so to speak, after that?
>
>
>
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