The word "Samaritans" only appears in the Old Testament one time:

2 kings 17:24-29

"24. And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and
from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the
cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed
Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.

25. And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they
feared not the Lord: therefore the Lord sent lions among them, which slew
some of them.

26. Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, The nations which
thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner
of the God of the land: therefore he hath sent lions among them, and,
behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the
land.

27. Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the
priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and
let him teach them the manner of the God of the land.

28. Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came
and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the Lord.

29. Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the
houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in
their cities wherein they dwelt."

In the New Testament it appears:

Matthew 10:5-6 " 5. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them,
saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
Samaritans enter ye not:

6. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Luke 9:52-56 " 52. And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and
entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

53. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would
go to Jerusalem.

54. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt
thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even
as Elias did?

55. But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of
spirit ye are of.

56. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save
them. And they went to another village."

John, Chapter 4 that detail his encounter with the woman at the well in
Samaria

Acts 8:14-25

The Bible is very clear and teaches that the Lord is interested in only 3
groups of people: The Jew, the Gentile, and the Church. The CHURCH is made
up of Jews and Gentiles chosen by God to make up a brand new entity. In
Romans 9:27-29 Paul tells us that God, in His sovereignty gave opportunity
for Israel to come to Him. But most of Israel passed up the invitation. Paul
says only a seed, only a remnant responded to the message of grace.

At the rapture, just before the Tribulation, the Church will be called up to
meet Christ in the air. We will receive our new resurrected bodies and go to
heaven with him during this 7 year period, and be married to Christ in
Heaven. At the end of the Tribulation, we will return with Christ as he
separates the Sheep from the Goats. The Sheep, mostly Jews that became saved
during the tribulation, will enter into the millennial kingdom in their
living bodies of flesh and blood. They will have children during this 1,000
year period. Also, the bride of Christ will be with Christ to rule and reign
with Him during this 1000 year reign. At the end of this period, Satan will
be loosed, and billions of people will follow Satan, against God's anointed
Jesus Christ and Jesus will kill them all by the Word of His mouth. The
great white throne judgment will follow and all sinners will be judged based
upon their own works. Since they refused to rely upon the work performed by
Christ on the Cross at Calvary, they will be judged by their own
works-fornication, adultery, homouality, murder, etc. etc. etc. They will
receive their new bodies, that will live forever, and be cast into hell.

The Christian (Jew and Gentile Christian) will be judged at the Judgment
seat of Christ (The Bema Judgment). This is a judgment of rewards.

From:	TheDrewsk
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:32:24 GMT

Hehe....well let's see

I still question if you even read the verses I mention....? I just
quoted you 9 times the Samaritans are mentioned with Jesus in the
gospels only. There are also other places the Samaritans are mentioned
outside of the gospels (BibleGateway doesn't catch any variation of the
word!).

Samaritan, Samaritans, or Samaria is mentioned well over a hundred
times in the old testament.

A stumbling block for me? No, not at all. I have learned what I know
from the Holy Spirit through a study of the bible, and I can show you
in scripture why I believe it. So, if you have another point of view
about the Samaritans through scripture to counter what I've said above,
then be my guest! I would love to hear it. Hey, just read what I
quoted. I didn't write it.

Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another..........proverbs 27:17
Justin the Drewsk

From:	TheDrewsk
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:06 GMT

Amaze you? I just completely refuted everything you said. I don't get
it. I make a point about the samaritans, and you disagree by saying
they are not important. I show you how often they are mentioned, and
you have nothing to say to that. My argument is strong, with
scripture, something you cannot refute. By the way, Samaritans are
mentioned in the gospels almost as much as gentiles.

Next time you insult me and what I believe, try to be more clever - at
least give me a laugh.

Justin the Drewsk

From:	Steve Goltra
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:38:20 GMT

What I meant by "amaze" is that the doctrine you are posting here on this NG
is new doctrine. I can't find it in God's word.

I have been trying to make sense of it, and have responded to your specific
posts 11 times and have not received a response: 1) at least 5 posts that
you have not responded to (that are in direct response to your posts), that
are directed specifically to you on the thread of "The different gospels and
what they did"; 2) There are 6
posts written to you by me (again, that are in response to your posts, line
by line), that you have never responded to on the thread "Never changing
Gospel"

I would appreciate an answer to what I have posted, since I disagree with
90% of your doctrine. I have posted the reason for my disagreement, but have
never heard your response to each of my answers, my reasons for
disagreement, and I would expect you to answer my answers to your posts, the
same as I have posted my disagreement of same and backed it up with God's
Word.

Also, it would be helpful if you posted YOUR specific definition of TWO
THINGS: 1) What is your definition of GOSPEL and 2) what is your definition
of JUSTIFICATION.

God bless,

Steve Goltra

"TheDrewsk" wrote in message
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> Amaze you? I just completely refuted everything you said. I don't get
> it. I make a point about the samaritans, and you disagree by saying
> they are not important. I show you how often they are mentioned, and
> you have nothing to say to that. My argument is strong, with
> scripture, something you cannot refute. By the way, Samaritans are
> mentioned in the gospels almost as much as gentiles.
>
> Next time you insult me and what I believe, try to be more clever - at
> least give me a laugh.
>
> Justin the Drewsk
>
>

From:	TheDrewsk
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:49:37 GMT

Gentiles:
1) Not included into program until Acts 10 when they recieved Holy
Spirit. Did they recieve healing at times from Jesus? Yes!

2) Were they equivalent to the Jews before Acts 10? No. The Jews
recieved the Holy Spirit seven years before the gentiles did. (Acts
2-Acts 10) Jesus likened gentiles to "dogs" and the Jews to "children"
(Mark 7:27). Look how amazed the early leaders of the church (jews)
were that the gentiles were included! The church leaders "took issue"
with Peter for going "to uncircumcised men and ate with them" (Acts
11:1-3) Remember, Peter was the leader of the early church.

Jews:
1) God's chosen people (Exodus 19:6, Jeremiah 31:30, Ezekiel 36:25-7).
God made many promises to them in the old testament.

2) During the church age, there is neither jew nor gentile in the body
of Christ. Jews hearts' are currently "hardened" with a "veil" that
"remains unlifted"(2 Cor. 3:13-17) until they become a part of the
body, meaning that they aren't truly jews anymore anyway. This is
confirmed as one of Paul's mysteries in Romans 11:25-28.

Samaritans:
1) Originally Jews in the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the remaining
tribes outside of Benjamin and Judah. They were conquered and
dispersed and intermarried. Do they still have Jewish blood? Yes.
(Holman's Bible Dictionary, "Samaritans")

2) Relationship between Jews and Gentiles greatly strained during time
of Jesus (Luke 9:52-54; 10:25-37; 17:11-19). Yet Jesus talked of the
Samaritans as beloved Israel's rejection of Jesus, unlike gentiles.
(Luke 9:52-56) Jesus healed a Samaritan leper (Luke 17:16), honored a
Samaritan for his neighborliness (Luke 10:30-37), praised a Samaritan
for his gratitude (Luke 17:11-18), asked a drink of a Samaritan woman
(John 4:7), and preached to the Samaritans (John 4:40-42). Acts 1:8
also mentions Jews, Gentiles, THEN Samaritans as well. Phillip, a
deacon, opened a mission in Samaria (Acts 8:5). The Samaritans even
have their own bible! They also regard themselves as the true heirs to
the Mosaic tradition (Holman)

3) Not ministered to originally at the same time as the jews, and
mentioned specifically outside of Jews or Gentiles BY JESUS. (Matthew
10:6)

There it is. Although it is a bit off our original topic of Jesus
never preaching to the gentiles, it's important all the same, right?
So, the Samaritans had a different relationship to Jesus (and therefore
God) than the Jews or the Gentiles. That's why they are specifically
mentioned so often.

That's the price they payed for intermarriage, and worshiping other
gods.

I won't touch the Revelation part for now....
Justin the Drewsk

From:	Steve Goltra
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Wed, 4 Jan 2005 20:15:05 GMT

To The Point News--
Information Age, isn't it? So, let's distil Daycare and
Government-Funded Daycare into short and concise Impossible Things to
Believe Before Breakfast form:

1. A mother who works a full-time job and delegates to strangers the
raising of her children eight hours a day, five days a week does just as
good a job as a mother who hand-rears her children full time.

2. It makes great sense for the government to pay 10 to 15,000 dollars a
year to fund a daycare space for a child so its mother -- who pays
perhaps 2,000 dollars in taxes -- can be a contributing member of
society.

All you husbands and daycare daddies are just nodding like crazy.
--Makes sense to me, Dave.-- --Gotta have it. Government-Funded Daycare.
No way around that. Gotta have it.-- --A woman's right to choose! A
woman's right to choose!--

For the benefit of the rest of my readership, I decided to compose a
partial list of Impossible Things To Believe Before Breakfast (jotted
down over the course of an hour while working on a Cerebus page -- I
figured a dozen or so would get my point across).

I'll just continue the numbering from our Daycare entries.

3. A woman's doctor has more of a valid claim to participate in the
decision to abort a fetus than does the father of that fetus.

4. So long as a woman makes a decision after consulting with her doctor,
she is incapable of making an unethical choice.

[I was going to allow the Impossible Things to stand alone and --hatch
out-- however they might in each individual reader's mind once they had
been planted -- to mix a metaphor. However, in the aftermath of Carol
West's resignation, that seems unnecessarily naive, given the wilfulness
with which th

From:	Steve Goltra
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:57:40 GMT

Dear Drew: Your posts continue to amaze me. The Bible is clear- in God's
economy there exist three things of importance- The Jew, The Gentile and the
Church. If you want to spend your time and effort running around and into
rabbit holes, that is your prerogative.

God bless and God speed,

Steve Goltra
"TheDrewsk" wrote in message
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> Gentiles:
> 1) Not included into program until Acts 10 when they recieved Holy
> Spirit. Did they recieve healing at times from Jesus? Yes!
>
> 2) Were they equivalent to the Jews before Acts 10? No. The Jews
> recieved the Holy Spirit seven years before the gentiles did. (Acts
> 2-Acts 10) Jesus likened gentiles to "dogs" and the Jews to "children"
> (Mark 7:27). Look how amazed the early leaders of the church (jews)
> were that the gentiles were included! The church leaders "took issue"
> with Peter for going "to uncircumcised men and ate with them" (Acts
> 11:1-3) Remember, Peter was the leader of the early church.
>
> Jews:
> 1) God's chosen people (Exodus 19:6, Jeremiah 31:30, Ezekiel 36:25-7).
> God made many promises to them in the old testament.
>
> 2) During the church age, there is neither jew nor gentile in the body
> of Christ. Jews hearts' are currently "hardened" with a "veil" that
> "remains unlifted"(2 Cor. 3:13-17) until they become a part of the
> body, meaning that they aren't truly jews anymore anyway. This is
> confirmed as one of Paul's mysteries in Romans 11:25-28.
>
> Samaritans:
> 1) Originally Jews in the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the remaining
> tribes outside of Benjamin and Judah. They were conquered and
> dispersed and intermarried. Do they still have Jewish blood? Yes.
> (Holman's Bible Dictionary, "Samaritans")
>
> 2) Relationship between Jews and Gentiles greatly strained during time
> of Jesus (Luke 9:52-54; 10:25-37; 17:11-19). Yet Jesus talked of the
> Samaritans as beloved Israel's rejection of Jesus, unlike gentiles.
> (Luke 9:52-56) Jesus healed a Samaritan leper (Luke 17:16), honored a
> Samaritan for his neighborliness (Luke 10:30-37), praised a Samaritan
> for his gratitude (Luke 17:11-18), asked a drink of a Samaritan woman
> (John 4:7), and preached to the Samaritans (John 4:40-42). Acts 1:8
> also mentions Jews, Gentiles, THEN Samaritans as well. Phillip, a
> deacon, opened a mission in Samaria (Acts 8:5). The Samaritans even
> have their own bible! They also regard themselves as the true heirs to
> the Mosaic tradition (Holman)
>
> 3) Not ministered to originally at the same time as the jews, and
> mentioned specifically outside of Jews or Gentiles BY JESUS. (Matthew
> 10:6)
>
> There it is. Although it is a bit off our original topic of Jesus
> never preaching to the gentiles, it's important all the same, right?
> So, the Samaritans had a different relationship to Jesus (and therefore
> God) than the Jews or the Gentiles. That's why they are specifically
> mentioned so often.
>
> That's the price they payed for intermarriage, and worshiping other
> gods.
>
> I won't touch the Revelation part for now....
> Justin the Drewsk
>
>

From:	Steve Goltra
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:38:50 GMT

Drew said: "There it is. Although it is a bit off our original topic of
Jesus
> never preaching to the gentiles, it's important all the same, right?
> So, the Samaritans had a different relationship to Jesus (and therefore
> God) than the Jews or the Gentiles. That's why they are specifically
> mentioned so often."

Steve's response: The word "Samaritan" only appears once in the Old
Testament and 3 or 4 times in the New Testament. They are not mentioned
often at all. This is really a stumbling block for you, isn't it?

God bless,

Steve

"TheDrewsk" wrote in message
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> Gentiles:
> 1) Not included into program until Acts 10 when they recieved Holy
> Spirit. Did they recieve healing at times from Jesus? Yes!
>
> 2) Were they equivalent to the Jews before Acts 10? No. The Jews
> recieved the Holy Spirit seven years before the gentiles did. (Acts
> 2-Acts 10) Jesus likened gentiles to "dogs" and the Jews to "children"
> (Mark 7:27). Look how amazed the early leaders of the church (jews)
> were that the gentiles were included! The church leaders "took issue"
> with Peter for going "to uncircumcised men and ate with them" (Acts
> 11:1-3) Remember, Peter was the leader of the early church.
>
> Jews:
> 1) God's chosen people (Exodus 19:6, Jeremiah 31:30, Ezekiel 36:25-7).
> God made many promises to them in the old testament.
>
> 2) During the church age, there is neither jew nor gentile in the body
> of Christ. Jews hearts' are currently "hardened" with a "veil" that
> "remains unlifted"(2 Cor. 3:13-17) until they become a part of the
> body, meaning that they aren't truly jews anymore anyway. This is
> confirmed as one of Paul's mysteries in Romans 11:25-28.
>
> Samaritans:
> 1) Originally Jews in the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the remaining
> tribes outside of Benjamin and Judah. They were conquered and
> dispersed and intermarried. Do they still have Jewish blood? Yes.
> (Holman's Bible Dictionary, "Samaritans")
>
> 2) Relationship between Jews and Gentiles greatly strained during time
> of Jesus (Luke 9:52-54; 10:25-37; 17:11-19). Yet Jesus talked of the
> Samaritans as beloved Israel's rejection of Jesus, unlike gentiles.
> (Luke 9:52-56) Jesus healed a Samaritan leper (Luke 17:16), honored a
> Samaritan for his neighborliness (Luke 10:30-37), praised a Samaritan
> for his gratitude (Luke 17:11-18), asked a drink of a Samaritan woman
> (John 4:7), and preached to the Samaritans (John 4:40-42). Acts 1:8
> also mentions Jews, Gentiles, THEN Samaritans as well. Phillip, a
> deacon, opened a mission in Samaria (Acts 8:5). The Samaritans even
> have their own bible! They also regard themselves as the true heirs to
> the Mosaic tradition (Holman)
>
> 3) Not ministered to originally at the same time as the jews, and
> mentioned specifically outside of Jews or Gentiles BY JESUS. (Matthew
> 10:6)
>
> There it is. Although it is a bit off our original topic of Jesus
> never preaching to the gentiles, it's important all the same, right?
> So, the Samaritans had a different relationship to Jesus (and therefore
> God) than the Jews or the Gentiles. That's why they are specifically
> mentioned so often.
>
> That's the price they payed for intermarriage, and worshiping other
> gods.
>
> I won't touch the Revelation part for now....
> Justin the Drewsk
>
>

From:	TheDrewsk
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:49:04 GMT

Okay, from now on, if you really want a reply from me, you'll have to
email me. Honestly, I can't keep up with all the posts AND emails that
I am getting. Sorry if I haven't responded to everything, I've done my
best. I'd love to continue our talks Steve, but I'm afraid it will
have to be by email!

Justin the Drewsk

From:	Steve Goltra
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:32:29 GMT

Justin, if you were interested in the truth, you would answer my posts. My
posts have been nothing more than replies to your posts. I have, in good
faith, answered each of your posts, and quoted God's word. Once I have done
that, you have refused to respond. Do you see a pattern here? Your "new
gospel" is refuted by the Bible, God's Word. If what you were saying had any
merit whatsoever you would be able to respond with scripture that backs up
your position. Since you cannot do that, you have offered an excuse of why
you have not responded.

All who have followed any of this can see right through your sad excuse.

God bless,

Steve Goltra

"TheDrewsk" wrote in message
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> Okay, from now on, if you really want a reply from me, you'll have to
> email me. Honestly, I can't keep up with all the posts AND emails that
> I am getting. Sorry if I haven't responded to everything, I've done my
> best. I'd love to continue our talks Steve, but I'm afraid it will
> have to be by email!
>
> Justin the Drewsk
>
>

From:	TheDrewsk
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:48:46 GMT

So, where do the Samaritans fall - Jew or Gentile? (just trying to
understand)

Justin the Drewsk

From:	Steve Goltra
Subject:	Re: Jews and Gentiles & Church- Not Samaritans
Date:	Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:38:06 GMT

It doesn't matter.

"TheDrewsk" wrote in message
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> So, where do the Samaritans fall - Jew or Gentile? (just trying to
> understand)
>
> Justin the Drewsk
>
>