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 | | From: | Muz | | Subject: | Re: Eternal Security (OSAS) | | Date: | Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:09:13 GMT |
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 | >Of course they had choice!
>If they had no choice but to sin, then that means God is the one
responsible
>for sin (as you say in your other post). And this in itself would make
a God
>a sinner.
>Would them not sinning have ruined his plan? Why not accept them into
the
>ranks of the Angels? It would have ruined nothing. Another man could
be
>formed and given the same choice.
Answer this, then: What if God omnisciently and definately knows that
they will sin, but when the time comes, they do not? What was wrong?
God's knowledge, or man's choice?
>But the real question again is "HOW is God omniscient?"
>It is my understanding that God is outside of this universe. That as
big as
>>this universe is, it cannot encompass God. This universe was created
>specifically seperate from Gods direct will (He uses the Angels to do
all
>his work here) so that sin could exist. Because without sin every
person
>created would be automatons... individual unique automatons. The
Angels are
>awesomely powerful so dont think this in any way limits Gods influence
as
>they could if it was Gods will make EVERYONE worship God.... but again
if
>they did this everone would be automatons.
Who is Jesus Christ, then? God MUST be able to interact with us, if he
is to be Immanuel, God with us. The fact is that God does much of His
own work, here.
I would agree that God exists outside this universe, but that does not
imply that the entire timeline, including the future is fixed
(obviously the past is, but that's another story.) If the future is
fixed, then someone has fixed our decisions for us. Who could have
done that?
As for Job,check out Job 42:2-3
"2 "I know that Thou canst do all things, And that no purpose of Thine
can be thwarted. 3 'Who is this that hides counsel without
knowledge?' "Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know."
Job admits that everything he said is invalid.
The book of Job is intended to detail the human response to suffering
and to get us to identify with Job and his friends, so that in the end,
God can crush the pride of our human wisdom. To cite the laments of
Job and his friends is to make the same mistake they made.
Muz
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