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 | | From: | Steve Goltra | | Subject: | Re: Open View Theism | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:17:38 GMT |
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 | Muz said: "> There is simply no scriptural basis for this statement.
Nowhere is
> this incident called a test for Moses, nor is there any implicaiton
> that God isn't serious about destroying the nation. In fact, the
> evience points to the contrary. God's anger is burning towards them,
> because they've made a golden calf to worship"
Steve's response: This is not an attack on you in any way, only a response
to what you have posted:
Again, you have no understanding of God's Blood covenant relationship with
Israel. The Coveneant that God made with Abraham was a one sided covenant.
God was the only partner that had any obligations, as God walked through the
pool of blood with Christ, while a deep sleep had befallen Abraham. This
special covenant that God made with Abraham was without conditions, in
direct contrast to the blood covenants made between two men, that we read
about throughout the Old Testament.
Also, the law had not yet even been given to the Jews. Moses was on his way
down to do so. It is also very clear from God's word that the purpose of the
law was not to demand perfect conduct based upon the law, and thus earn
their way to heaven, but only to point out to them/us that there was no way
to keep the law- it is an impossibility. The only way to become saved was
through God's GRACE- Gods Riches At Christ's (the Messiah's) Expense. The
Atonement (the 10th day of Tishre) was a time that the Jews were called to
mourn for their sin. They even went into separate rooms to mourn for their
sins that they had committed over the previous year. God's word also tells
us that the blood of sheep and Goats never forgave sin, but only covered
them -and God was not even happy with these offerings. God would only accept
the once and for all final sacrifice for sin, Christ Jesus, to totally
forgive sin, for all time. It is only the believer who is focused on works
that has any belief that doing good deeds, and keeping the law will get
anyone to heaven, or provide them with brownie points. God is the one that
reads the heart, and knows the reasons that we do everything. The "things"
that we do, that are not done to glorify God will be burned before our eyes
like hay and stubble at the Bema Judgment (the Judgment seat of Christ).
Hebrews 10:1-13 tells us: 1. For the law having a shadow of good things to
come, and not the very
image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year
by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2. For then would
they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged
should have had no more conscience of sins.
3. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every
year.4. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should
take
away sins. 5. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice
and
offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6. In burnt
offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7. Then said I,
Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of
me,) to do thy will, O God. 8. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering
and burnt offerings and
offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which
are offered by the law;
9. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the
first, that he may establish the second.
10. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body
of Jesus Christ once for all.
11. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes
the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12. But this man,
after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,
sat down on the right hand of God; 13. From henceforth expecting till his
enemies be made his footstool.
I pointed out to you the inconsistencies of God's statements to Moses, about
how the Jews were Moses people and that Moses was the one that took the Jews
out of Egypt, etc. I guess that did not compute with you, or ?
God bless,
Steve Goltra
"Muz" wrote in message
news:EgEFd.6665$Ii4.2880@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Well, let's start with Moses...
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