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 | | From: | Steve Goltra | | Subject: | Re: Open View Theism | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:14:13 GMT |
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 | Again, I will try to be clear. God never followed through, at any time with
the annihilation of His covenant people. The blood covenant ritual "brought
into and made a part of all the children as full covenant partners.
Typically this consisted of boys and girls below the age of majority. In
Israel's case, that was 20 years old. In the case of the Abrahamic covenant,
which is an unconditional covenant, with the only condition that Abraham had
to comply with was to "leave"- Genesis 12:1 tells us "1. Now the Lord had
said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from
thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:"
Abraham complied with his part. From Genesis 12:2-3 we FIND SEVEN (7) "I
WILLS PROVIDED BY GOD (NOT SUZERIAN-VASSEL). There are never any other
requirements required of Abraham: "2. And I will make of thee a great
nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a
blessing: 3. And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that
curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
That's it, the Abrahamic covenant. Now fast forward to just one of the times
that God threatened to kill all of the Israelites, save Moses. Numbers
14:1-45 tells the story. God chose to let the "little ones" enter the land,
into His Rest (another Bible study). What is the definition of "little
ones"- those under 20 years old. The reference to "little ones" can be found
in Numbers 14:31 and the reference to who will not be allowed in the promise
land can be found in Numbers 14:29. The reason for this is again the
Abrahamic blood covenant ritual [Not "Suezarian-Vassel"]- How in the world
anyone can you compare the berius that God shares with Abraham to a
Suezarian-Vassel "whatever" should be very interesting- I would like to read
it!
[Of note here is that God never has followed through with His threat to
kill all of His people and leave one or two men alive. He has always kept a
remnant alive. The total dispersement took place in 70 A.D., after the Jews
rejection of their beloved Messiah. But God still prophesized that Israel
would be a Nation in one day- look it up in Isaiah 66:8. This is a prophecy
that was fulfilled when the U.N. made Israel a Nation by vote in 1948.
Joseph Stalin cast his tie breaking vote in favor of Israel (no one knows
why, except God), and it was official!- Isaiah 66:8 " 8. Who hath heard
such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring
forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion
travailed, she brought forth her children."]
As I have said before, God, who had a face to face relationship with Moses,
tested him. In the verses quoted above, Moses says a beautiful prayer to God
about this people, and God pardons all of them, even the older ones who will
not enter the promised land. They will be in heaven when we get there- all
of them, the young ones and older ones alike:
Moses prayer starts with Numbers 14:13 but I will only quote the following,
that satisfied the Lord that starts in verse 17. Moses understands that the
Jews are a covenant people, and that he is no better than the rest of them.
His personal relationship with God and his belief in God and the Messiah to
come is what makes him (Moses) righteous in God's eyes. That is something
that you and I need to know with all of our heart. It is so easy to look at
others who are not as "good as" we are, who do not pray as much as we do,
etc. etc. etc. and think that we are "superior" to them. Moses was under
tremendous temptation to feel that way, but time after time he proves to God
that he is not.
"...................17. And now, I beseech thee, let the power of my Lord
be great, according as thou hast spoken, saying, 18. The Lord is
longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and
by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
the children unto the third and fourth generation. 19. Pardon, I beseech
thee, the iniquity of this people according unto the greatness of thy mercy,
and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now. 20. AND
THE LORD SAID, I HAVE PARDONED ACCORDING TO THY WORD: "
That's it, Muz. I will not go any further on this thread. I really do not
expect you to follow this and I do not want to spend any more time with it.
God bless,
Steve
"Muz" wrote in message
news:HCGGd.9664$Ii4.6162@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >I take it that you did not read my post on the Blood Covenant ritual?
>>Abraham did not enter into a
>>"Suezarian-Vassel covenant" with a King. They entered into a berius, a
>>special type of blood covenant (berius), that is identical to the
> diatheke
>>covenant, that is found in the New Testament. In this special
> covenant, God
>>does all of the giving and Abrahams seed is the recipient.
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> These are not incompatible. Suezarian-Vassel covenants can be blood
> covenants.
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> However, if we consider what you say as true, then you have an even
> bigger problem with Exo 32, because God clearly threatens to destroy
> all of Israel, and is either lying to Moses, or threatening to break
> this blood covenant as you have constructed it.
> Which is it? God lying, or God breaking covenant?
>
> Muz
>
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