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 | | From: | Steve Goltra | | Subject: | Re: Open View Theism | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:21:19 GMT |
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 | Muz said: "> Well, you failed to deal with the obvious contradiction of your
own
> position, so there was no other logical conclusion"
Steve's response: For at least one week (since 1/14) I have posted
information on the Blood Covenant ritual, where two people become one. Part
of the ritual involves the exchange of belts between the parties. The belt
did not hold anything other than their weapons. What they were saying is
that each party would defend the other, with their lives, to the death.
Then, each party exchanged their robes. By doing this they were "putting on"
the other covenant partner, they were becoming one by putting on the others
"nature".
Since God had walked through the animals that had been cut down the
backbone, through the pool of blood, with God (Jesus Christ) and Abraham was
placed into a deep sleep, God has entered into a one sided Blood Covenant
relationship with Abraham and his seed. This covenant is an everlasting
Covenant. It was continued with Isaac, and again with Jacob. Jacob had 12
children, that created the 12 tribes. All of these tribes are part of the
covenant, to perpetuity. There is no way that God would ever annihilate his
people and only keep one person, Moses, from the tribe of Levi alive, and
kill everyone else. It is preposterous. God has sworn to defend them all,
forever.
I hope that is clear enough for you to understand. I really don't know what
else to say. This is a full defense of my position. God has never
annihilated his own people, the Jews, like He did to the heathen people of
Sodom and Gomorrah, and He never will.
Like I have said, this thread is going nowhere if you cannot understand this
covenant relationship that God had with Abraham and his seed.
God bless,
Steve
p.s. Please read what I posted on the Blood Covenant Ritual. It is more to
the point than the website that you referred me to.
"Muz" wrote in message
news:K_9Hd.9823$pZ4.5314@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >I am not "abandoning my position" on anything.
>
> Well, you failed to deal with the obvious contradiction of your own
> position, so there was no other logical conclusion.
>
>>I read the Bible through 5 times when Iwas in the New Age
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> I'm glad you found your way to Christ and the indwelling of the Holy
> Spirit. Welcome to the family.
>
>>It is quite
>>clear that what I have posted, as well as other's on this thread, have
> not
>>softened your heart or opened your eyes to the truth.
>
> Ah, yes, the last vestige of the defeated: "God told me that this is
> true, so you must be wrong in spite of my obvious lack of knowledge and
> inability to deal with the problems of my position."
>
> Honestly, Steve, discussion is about an examination of doctrines. Its
> purpose is to bring to the surface the errors and problems with one's
> position so that it may be refined. I've opened up and laid out my
> case, answered your questions, and have found our discussion
> beneficial. I suspect it is you that is unwilling to consider the
> problems we've encountered in your position, having cast it in
> concrete.
>
> I was not honestly expecting you to change your mind as a result of our
> conversation, but I had hoped for something more than this kind of
> conclusion.
>
> Muz
>
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