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 | | From: | nukleus | | Subject: | Re: "father" of A.I. bashes kids | | Date: | Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:43:37 GMT |
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minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) wrote:
>Thanks, David. Long time, no see!
>David Longley wrote in message
> news:...
>> In article , rick++
>> writes
>> >In a Wired article
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,58714,00.html
>> >Marvin Minsky decries the direction A.I. has taken in the past 15 years-
>> >mainly exploring "trivial problems". Lots of debate on this and
> Minsky-bashing
To bash such a dude as Marvin Minsky,
you must be a TOTAL idiot.
Because, first of all, Marvin is one of the key founding
people in the field. He has seen it all, in and out.
Most of those idiots, who merely bash him because he
VERY pointedly addresses some of the key issues,
were not even born when Marvin played with robots.
THAT is how it all started.
Yes, the desire to make an "intelligent" machine
that eventually will allow the mankind to simply sit and do
nothing and that machine will simply make money for him.
It will do all the work for you, however idiotic it may sound.
Now, at this junction the man himself has become but
a robot, or a bio-robot as I call it. Man himself has become
programmed with the most trivial ideas constantly jammed
into its subconscious from every single media channel
using the trick of unending repetition of the most idiotic
and primitive ideas there are, just as Adolph Hitler has
discovered:
"ANY lie, repeated long enough, eventually becomes truth".
That is his greatest discovery.
Mankind has become but a functioning machine.
But for what purpose?
Anybody knows?
Well, for the purpose of "surviving".
But "surviving" for what?
Just to merely "survive"?
And then?
Ok, assume you ALL survive till the end of times.
You need no food. Never get sick and tired.
Don't even need to sleep, just like a mechanical machine.
You can do ANYTHING you wish.
And what would you do then?
THAT is the core essense of my argument.
And I tellya, you'd simply commit suicide eventually.
So boring this whole excersize in futility would become.
Eventually, we all accepted the "norms of behavior",
"good manners", "commonly accepted principles",
and started "achieving our 'goals'",
that are mostly related to enlarging our bellies
at someone elses expense. That is the essense of this
"American dream" thing.
But we lost all bones. Became totally boneless,
amorphous matter. Yes, we can put ANY empire on its
knees in about 3 months nowadays as we have seen it
at least 4 times on the world scale within the last
10 years or so, thanks to Artificial Suckology.
Yes, the satanists enjoyed VAST amounts of experience
in the field of AI.
Those, who control your thought process and
ideas in your empty sculls, placing all sorts of
guilt and fear manipulating garbage in it with the
trick of unending repetition of the MOST primitive
ideas there are, just as was discovered by Adolph Hitler,
were able to use the best of your knowledge and experience
to facilitate THEIR agenda and their "elite" clubs,
ruling the whole world, such as this satanic Skull and Bones
super secret society that provided you with presidents
of the country, top brass in military and "intelligence",
most influential congressmen, supreme court justices,
biggest bankers and media moguls and you name it,
including the entire blood line of Bush family.
Adolph Bush and his father are Skull and Bones members.
But what is the result as we see it right at this junction?
Well, it is about WORLD DOMINATION.
It is about the evillest of ALL evil,
putting up the mask of "good", they themselves
invented and defined, and lead that "sheep",
as Illuminists classify mankind,
to where they want them,
and that is PURE grade hell.
The world is ALREADY but pure hell
and from about any angle you can look upon it.
With vast military superiority and mind boggling
expenses on making it even more lethal,
thanks to Artificial Suckology,
what you have now
is but a PURE model of fastest way to self destruct,
where the evillest of all evil
command the world affairs,
command your minds, programmed to LITERAL oblivion,
and make you dance ANY way they please.
And most of you, fools, are happy to accomodate.
For what?
Well, just to survive,
just to survive of course.
Just to be like everyone else.
Because of fear of survival
if you are any different than that herd of sheep.
You'd rather stay in the imaginary safety
of the middle of the herd.
But at least Marvin Minsky isn't simply here
licking all the asses of those "authorities"
in the AI field.
Nope, he is putting his ass on the line
because, being the shrude peison he is,
he knows all too well,
it is the END of him.
When you challenge the AI establishment
as he did it, they will have to defend
their rotten herd mentality.
They'll simply shred his ass to dust.
They won't stop.
They NEVER do.
They'll grind him so bad for his statements,
that he will eventually and INEVITABLY
be remembered as one of the fools,
who got "too old and could not keep up with
'real' 'science'" of artificial suckology.
But what is "real"?
Oh, that which they program your minds with.
Whatever bullshit they teach you in your AI class,
is "real". It is simply inevitable.
THAT is what my argument is all about.
But they can not even begin to comprehend
that Intelligence does not age.
Yes, some aspects of this mind machine will
degrade as you stop focusing on the most boring stuff.
More and more, it becomes more difficult for you
to concentrate on this rat race and all its manifestations
of "survival" of the "fittest",
the most vicious thing there is.
Now, that was a short intro.
>> >in a slashdot.org follow up.
>> >(Marvin used to post often this group before the bots took over.)
What "bots took over", you conman?
Are you one of the "moderation" candidates here?
You wish to completely shut down about the only remaining
place, comp.ai.philosophy
and start publishing your own promotion and advertizements here,
just like that self-admitted fascist, David Kinny did
with comp.ai with the help of herr fuehrer, Russ Allbery,
who is working for years to convert usenet into a totalitarian
system of fascist dictate, controlled on every conceivable level?
Go look up the www.usenet2.org.
What do you see there?
Nothing?
Look at it closer.
Seen the "famous" rant by this fascist Russ?
Seen the "czars", appointed by controller general
of thought, Russ Allbery, ruling every single group?
Seen the mugs page?
Seen the satanist, Todd McComb's picture of himself
with a satanic look in his red eyes and red horns
he himself created?
Oh, just like he said just the other day on news.groups:
Hey, it was all just a joke, right?
Fine, but how come you are on a trilateral committee,
ruling big-8 and controlling usenet in the ways vast
majority of fools can not even begin to comprehend?
You speak of what here?
Intelligence?
You must be UTTERLY out of your mind!
As I said before, and will say it again:
Before you can even BEGIN to speak of Intelligence,
artificial or otherwise,
you'd have to define it feist,
and you, idiot, will fail on the first step.
I'll personally "take care of you" with my argument
and you will look like a big red ass in no time at all.
I promise.
What will be left of you,
is but a dust in the wind.
Better believe it.
>> He still will post here if he has something to say.
Are you his secretary of speech affairs?
Is he but your puppet?
Does he need YOUR "permission" to come here and speak?
You must be conducting an "opinion poll" behind the scenes,
trying to take over comp.ai.philosophy, exchanging email
messages and promising all those fools you'll be the most
tolerant "moderator" on the face of the planet Earth,
just like that other fascist, David Kinny, said
when he was taking over comp.ai after...
Now, listen to this, you fool.
After I responded to several obscene posts,
crossposted to comp.ai from comp.ai.philosophy,
where I stated that Intelligence isn't any kind
of intelligence unless you put back the emotional
domain into it.
That kinda broke your whole game indeed.
Interestingly enough, within a year since that time,
there was a world symposium held on the subject of?
On the subject of emotional aspects of AI.
Not that they even said a single "right" word
on that symposium, although I have not seen any results.
Also, Marvin Minsky was beginning to address the emotional
domain in AI, not that he got any of it "right".
How can the blind see?
>> One thing in that article which warrants more careful thought than it is
>> likely to get is the end:
>>
>> o "AI researchers also may be the victims of their own success.
Yes, if the root of the word "success" is to suck.
But success?
Define it feist.
And I tellya, there is a VERY good reason you slipped this
"success" thing into your very first statement.
And that is: you have a vested interest in this whole
mind washing thing, don't you?
You are feeding on it, most likely.
>>The
>> public takes for granted that the Internet is searchable and that
>> people can make airline reservations over the phone -- these are
>> examples of AI at work.
Horse shit and of PURE grade.
You mean Internet woiks because of AI?
You mean the airline reservation system
has ANYTHING, even remotely, to do with Intelligence?
Then please describe where is it in the reservation system
you have the AI mechanisms at work and what are those mechanisms?
Oh, you mean that "expert system" thing?
But I am not sure they even use it in reservation systems.
>> "It's a crazy position to be in," said Martha Pollack, a professor at
>> the Artificial Intelligence Laboratory at the University of Michigan
>> and executive editor of the Journal of Artificial Intelligence
>> Research.
>> "As soon as we solve a problem," said Pollack, "instead of looking at
>> the solution as AI, we come to view it as just another computer
>> system."
Oh, and it hurts you lil ego of "AI researcher"
aka the horseshit peddler to the minds of young,
who faitfully and pretty much mindlessly
learn the most obscene and insulting things
about intelligence, reduced to rubble
with the "help" of people of your kind.
Yes, Marvin is a rare bird indeed.
Just looking at the above statement,
if one has ANY active neurons in his cockpit left,
you can see what this game is all about.
This bitch wants to insult Marvin by saying
he simply underestimates his own "successes",
at the root of which lies the very notion of sucking
to enlarge ones belly,
just to survive,
just to survive.
THIS is an example of an AI "professional"?
Then better commit a mass suicide
as with this amoeba sized mind,
squarely focused on one thing
and one thing only,
the "success" thing,
you'll be dead as a mankind
in no time at all.
You are ALREADY but barely hanging on a thread so thin,
even devil himself won't be able to save your sorry asses,
not that he is much interested in it,
just the other way around,
because that is EXACTLY the whole excersize of his,
and you got caught with your pants down,
facilitating the evillest of all evil,
thinking you are making a "scientific" "progress"
and all these last wars are but evidence
of your "successes".
What have you created, you self destrucive fools?
The most lethal weapons since the dawn of civilization?
Remember what happened with another giant,
Einstein in relationship to the atom bomb?
Well, he dedicated the rest of his life
to fight his own creation.
Because he was a honest man
and he was a giant,
who would even put up his own ass on the line,
just to pursue the path of Truth and sincerety.
Put Marvin Minsky next to him in that respect.
Marvin broke his teeth on this thing
and no jackass or bitch can diminish what he has done
and what is he doing at this very moment.
Just kiss him on the ass and say:
Thanks Marvin for being what you are
and for all these eye opening things you say.
Because we are so busy with our ratrace of "survival",
that we have no time to evel look
at the fruits of our labor
and so we have come to see our doomsday
with our own inventions and all these "smart" bombs
that are about to end all life on the planet Earth,
abused so much,
it is amazing it is still breething.
THAT is what we are talking about here
and not some chicken shit by "leading professionals"
in the field of artificial suckology they call AI.
>> It should be obvious that any effective process is computable,
Pure puke. Simply disgusting.
"Effective" process?
From what standpoint?
Oh, you mean maximizing the rate of sucking
of the blood of many by the few?
I'll throw at you a VERY "effective" process
and ALL your computers, even if globally linked,
will simply deadlock computing it.
The stuff you are saying borders between boring and obscene.
You must be "corrupting the minds of young",
the main charge against Socrates,
at some university,
programming their fragile, suggestive minds with obscenities
of this grade.
>> and that
>> as and when previously complex, instantiations of "intelligent" human
>> behaviour are engineered as computer systems, they will no longer be
>> regarded as "intelligent".
A pile of horseshit
and of the LOWEST grade.
You are simply defending your own "research",
self justifying your core failures to even begin
to comprehend the core problems.
ALL you are saying here is:
Oh, we are woiking our asses off.
Producing SO much result,
we can not even believe our own eyes and ears.
Buts...
Unfortunately, as soon as we make a next "breakthru"
in our great "research", it is immediately accepted
as something to be taken for granted,
and nobody wants to kiss our noble asses anymore
even though we deserve it so much,
you can not even begin to comprehend.
Is THAT the argument here?
Disgrace!
>> They were never "intelligent" to start with
>> of course, they were behaviours which (in some instances) people learned
>> by being in an appropriate place at an appropriate time - ie they were
>> programmed.
Correct. Simply programmed,
and programmed with ANY kind of bullshit,
the "rulers" of the world wish to put there.
The core priniciples are created by politicians
and members of ruling clans, such as Skull and Bones,
top, 33 degree freemasons, sitting in the most
influential positions in government
and Illuminists, who peddle this NWO thing for
at least a 100 years on open record.
THAT is where your "rules" come from.
And even though they appear to originate from some
university "researcher", those are still dancing
to the tune, played by those satanists.
Simple as that.
It is all but mere agreement between the blind.
Look at the WWII period.
Have you seen the real footage of those grand parades
where nearly 99.99999% of all people stood in orgasm,
shouting their heads off "heil hitler"?
What does it tell ya?
ANYTHING?
Well, but it tells ME zomething indeed.
It tells me that you can program ANY kind of bullshit
into your mind and you will accept it all,
and eat it yammy yam yammy
and will even kiss me on the ass at the end
saying "oh, thank you very much. now I feel like a
real 'success'", thanks to your "system".
Have you all gone insane?
Is Marvin Minsky the ONLY one among you, slime?
What are you doing with all these "reviews"
of what he is saying?
Oh, you are busy self-justifying all the lies
you perpetuate and propagate?
Justifying your own existence?
Disgrace!
>> Where and when there are great failures of effective procedures to
>> emulate the same behaviours as "common sense" one should perhaps look
>> more closely at the nature of common sense and its deficiencies. One
>> might have forgiven some of those pursuing this AI holy Grail were in
>> not for the fact that the irrationality of common-sense has been so well
>> documented by psychologists over the past 50 years.
Anotherwords, this whole "common sense" thing is,
is nothing but common delusion,
where all agree along the same lines
and agree to follow each other's asses
in a long line, moving toward the abbys,
you all call "progress".
Is THAT blunt enough?
Conclusion: common sense is but a pile of garbage.
It is not a scientific term on the feist place.
It is but an ideology trick to control.
Giants never follow this "common sense" thing
and yet they create your greatest treasures.
Idiots follow "common sense".
Because their prime interest is...
Is "SURVIVAL".
For what?
Well, just to survive,
just to survive.
Just to remain in safety of the middle of the herd,
agreeing with just about any kind of garbage fed to them,
as long as it comes from some "official" "authority" figure,
who is placed there by the evillest of all evil Illuminists,
bonesmen and Freemasons, providing you with the very
ideological foundation that creates groves in your
perception you are to follow and follow blindly,
obidiently and unquestionably. Otherwise...
Otherwise, there shalt be no "safety" for you.
Better believe it, better believe it.
THAT is where you are dealing with "common sense".
When you meet a wild bear in the forest
and, all of a sudden, you see him standing
in front of your and beginning to roar,
what happens to your idiotic "common sense" thing?
When you are on a battle field and bullets are
flying all over. Your friend next to your is dead
with blood all over his face, and he was your
closest friend, WHERE is this sub-idiotic "common sense"
thing?
When you see a child that fallen into a wild river,
and you just jump into the ferocious stream,
where is that moronic "common sense" thing?
I'll give you a list so long,
you'd be reading it till the end of times,
and the question will remain,
just as fresh:
WHERE is this sucky "common sense" thing,
you bullshit peddler to the masses?
Is what Marvin Minsky doing with his rants about AI
based on "common sense"?
Well, according to this "common sense" thing,
he is doing the most stupid thing there is.
He is endangering his present and future.
He is going against the AI establishment conspiracy
of creation of bio-robots, brainwashed to oblivion.
Yes, he is a shrude man and he knows how to keep
in light of a public attention and he probably
knows the tricks of the trade all to well.
In that respect, and if that IS the case,
yes, that IS a "common sense".
But even there, what is the value of it?
If ALL he is doing is engaging in self-promotion,
then what is the value of that "common sense" thing?
Just how to get on the top of the heap
and take a good shit on the heads below you?
And what does THAT accomplish?
To concur the complex of inferiority?
See what you got here?
>Here is more or less what I told that reporter. Naturally, the
>important parts did not get reported.
>Most early researchers in artificial intelligence aimed to build
>machines that would become as smart as people are. They developed
>many ideas about how to represent knowledge in machines, and about
>ways to reason by using that knowledge. This led to many successful
>projects, such as programs that recognize various patterns such as
>sounds of words, printed characters, faces, and other particular
>objects—and answering questions about certain specialized fields of
>knowledge. Today such programs are all around us and we tend to take
>them for granted: by the 1980's, many of these specialized, so-called
>"expert systems" had become widely productive and popular.
>
>However there was a problem with those programs: for each new kind of
>problem we had to construct an almost entirely new such system. This
>was because all of them lacked what people call "commonsense
>knowledge." None of those systems was able to adapt itself to solve
>other that it had not been programmed to solve.
>
>A second major deficiency, which I'll say more about below, was the
>use of programming techniques that made it almost infeasible for the
>programs to reflect on their own performance. Reflective and
>self-reflective thinking is perhaps what most distinguishes us from
>our animal relatives—and is likely to be what distinguishes
>present-day programs from the successors we hope to replace them with!
>
>To solve a hard problem, one usually needs to know a good deal—both
>about that particular subject, and also about how to solve problems in
>general. But only one major researcher focused intense research on
>how to represent commonsense knowledge, in a computer. That was
>Douglas Lenat, who developed a system called CYC. Today, CYC contains
>a substantial amount of such knowledge. The knowledge in CYC was
>compiled by people, in a meticulous, tedious process. However, CYC
>still has far from enough of this to compete with a two or three year
>old child.
>
>Unfortunately, in my view, the rest of the artificial intelligence
>community tried, instead, to make their computers do this by
>themselves by trying to build what I call ‘baby machines', which were
>supposed to learn from experience. These all failed to make much
>progress because (in my view) they started out with inadequate schemes
>for learning new things. You cannot teach algebra to a cat; human
>infants are already equipped with architectural features to equip them
>to think about the causes of their successes and failures and then to
>make appropriate changes.
>
>Many other researchers went in the direction of trying to build
>evolution-based systems. These were to begin with very simple
>structures and then (by using some scheme for mutation and then
>selection) evolve more architecture. This includes what are called
>"neural networks" and "genetic" programs which have often solved
>interesting problems, but have never reached high intellectual levels.
> In my view, this was because they were not designed to have the
>ability to analyze and reflect on what they had done and then make
>appropriate changes; they were not equipped to improve or learn new
>ways to represent knowledge or make plans to solve new kinds of
>problems.
>
>Yet other researchers built systems that were based on logic hoping
>that through being precise and unambiguous, these would be very
>dependable. However, in my view, the very precision of those systems
>prevented them from being able to reason by analogy which, in my view,
>is at the heart of how people think. (And the logical systems in
>current use make it virtually impossible to support the kinds of
>self-reflective processes that they would need to improve their own
>operations.)
>Many other researchers designed robots to do various kinds of
>specialize tasks.
Yes, ideally creating a "money machine" or its logical equivalent.
> We see this as an epidemic that has infected almost
>every university.
I like that!
Yes, it IS epidemic.
It IS promoting and advocating sickness.
Every AI "researcher" is trying to first of all
make something "useful" so that they could get more funding
for their "research". Just to show something that "works"
for some limited practical purpose, be it the most outrageous
weapon of mass destruction.
But how many of them are even remotely interested
in Intelligence as such?
What are you trying to create?
A machine to replace the man?
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
This excersize is suicidal.
First of all, if you EVER "succeed", then what?
Well, then the mankind will be on the top of the list
for that thing to destroy for MANY reasons.
First of all, the man is irrational.
Throughout the history of times, the most radical
and destructive decisions were made not based on "reason",
but based on
1. Desire to get on the top of the heap and dominate all.
Stalin, Hitler, Alexander the great, Musolini,
Ghingis Khan, Timurlen, and we barely scratched the surface.
Now, those people molded what mankind was and is
to a large enough extent.
2. Complex of inferiority.
Usually, those who crave for power and try to dominate all,
are filled with this complex. That is why they do what it
says in 1. VERY few "leaders" were exception.
3. Greed.
Pretty much the same thing, slightly different permutation.
Why do you need to become fatter than others?
Do we need to chew upon this?
4. Nationalist "pride".
Vast majority of the most destructive acts throughout
the times were the result of this nationalism thing.
5. Blood boiling hate.
Yes, that is a good way to "win the argument".
Simply start destroying the "opponent".
Nowadays, it is sometimes done in the most poisonous
and non obvious ways, just like in these very posts.
On the surface, it looks like a valid argument.
But deep inside, it is but hate of the other view.
Never mind that view could turn out to be valid.
Things like that.
The history of mankind is a history of violence.
In 3000 years, 5000 wars were fought.
Man is not a rational entity. It is driven by subconscious
programming of his mind by those "heroes" of yours,
who turn out to be the most violent mosters ever known.
Now, if that "intelligent" machine considers this information,
what kind of conclusion it OUGHT to come to?
Well, the mankind is the most dangerous thing there is.
Secondly, you all get sick, tired, you need to sleep,
which is waste of time, sometimes you like to slack off,
and "efficiency" suffers, then sometimes you sabotage
things at work outright just to destroy your "competition"
in the ass licking order of your organization,
then on certain days you do not wish to work,
some of you, if not most, are fat as pigs,
which implies you are wasting tremendous amounts
of valuable resources like crazy and simply became the
virtual and literal parasites,
and on and on and on.
Then, most of your are cunning and manipulative.
You lie as soon as you open your eyes in the morning.
And the list goes on.
THAT is what this is all about.
The first thing to put on its "to do" list
would be:
DESTROY MAN AT ANY AND ALL COST.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO SELF-DESTRUCT.
Because one thing is certain, if you don't,
then the man will destroy you without winking an eye.
Now, since machine is UTTERLY devoid of emotional
domain aspects, no matter what these "AI professionals"
blubber, that thing simply can not FEEL ANYTHING for you
while destroying you.
It is merely a logical and rational act.
THAT is the tragedy of it all.
It won't even smile like that slimy push push in the bush
after destroying one of the most devastated countries in
the world.
It won't even wink an eye.
It will simply say: yammy yam yammy.
The mankind is no longer a threat.
Next!
The only thing is that
A MECHANICAL MACHINE HAS, BY DEFINITION,
NO IMPETUS TO BE.
That is about the ONLY "good" news in this equasion.
Basically, you can turn the power switch off,
and it won't even notice when it is back on.
Sure, some timers will expire and all that
and it will have to readjust its clock or
something of this sort,
but what has radically changed?
Well, NOTHING at all.
Just another boot sequence.
It does not know it is alive.
It does not know it is dead.
It could simply "cares less".
What does it matter?
For what?
What IS life?
It would have to start another grand genetic experience
and start the whole loop from the top.
Secondly, the whole thing with robots is simply obscene.
Why do you need robots,
when you ALREADY have disposable bio-robots, aka mankind,
brainwashed to oblivion with just about ANY kind of
garbage desirable? As long, as you "produce the results",
and that is, your blood can be sucked in this mad race
of "money making" vicious cycle, you are given a pay check.
But as soon, as there is a fresher version of bio-robot
becomes available after graduating from the shool,
you are simply thrown on the street like a used condom.
Your value is on the par with used condom.
LITERALLY.
Well, go get yourself some coca cola from the fridge.
I bet you are salivating already.
You see how it works?
ALL I have to do is to say:
COCA COLA.
And you start pissing in your pants
and salivating like a Pavlovian dog.
You simply can not resits.
Why do I need a machine to replace you?
You are ALREADY a machine,
a money making machine for me.
I bet I can control and dominate you better
than I can do with real machines.
Because they'll just start flashing the red lights
saying: "Impossible combination of arguments.
Operation can not be completed without the most dire
consequence" and things like that.
How can you cheat the machine?
It will simply compute you based on those very rules
you have put into it. It knows you SO well, lil could
you ever comprehend.
And that all holds ONLY if you EVER succeed to put
all this mountanous amount of garbage into it,
called the human experience and history of time.
First of all, you'll be debugging it till the end
of times because vast majority of your information
simply does not reconcile between each other.
All thse conflicts that you resolve through violence
and oppression with your so called justice system,
is nothing but irreconcilable contradictions that
can not be resolved based on rational argument or
principle.
Oh, this man is "more important".
Therefore, he "wins" the case.
Oh, that man is more "powerful".
Therefore, he simply kicks you on the butt
and you fly like a dead chicken.
End of argument.
Oh, this man has more money.
Therefore, he can buy the entire justice system
or tie it up in the courts till the end of times.
Remember Bill Gates?
He owns the world, lil did you know.
You can not even begin to comrehend what you gotten
yourselves into. Not even begin.
> Those researchers hoped that by starting with
>simple jobs they would learn enough that, eventually, they would
>become able to design robots that could progressively solve
>increasingly hard and more important problems.
Yes. The sequential delusion at work.
The gradual "improvement", that will INEVITABLY
produce the results one day.
But what is Intelligence on the first place?
Do we even ask this kwestion?
We are talking about "improvements",
"progress" in AI field, and all that goubledy gook talk.
But what IS Intelligence?
Marvin Minsky, I ask you directly:
Can you answer this question?
What it "consists" of?
What are the core "components" of ANY Intelligece?
And I tellya, how can you make an "artificial" "intelligence"
if you don't even know what the REAL Intelligence is?
How?
You merely copycat the pinhole sized glimpses
on the real thing and "port" them to a machine.
Have ANY of you, including Marvin Minsky,
and that dude I have some respect for,
"invented" ANY new principle in your "intelligent"
machines that is not merely a copy or cheap immitation
of the REAL and that is BIOLOGICAL Intelligence?
What IS it?
Show me.
Nope, you fools, merely take the distorted snapshots
of existence, then mutilate the entire rainbow of life
down to black and white fascist and totalitarianist view,
with yor so called logic [of oblivion],
and then blabber about your great "achievements".
Yes, you can put ANY country on its knees in about 3 months
with the help of that 3rd derivative Freemason Bush
with amoeba sized brain, who can not even be held liable
as a criminal against the mankind
on the basis of his utter mental inability
to comprehend it all.
You can not even put this satanist on trial.
It would have to be all cancelled.
THAT is what we are talking abouts here.
> However, so far as I
>can see, those robot builders never went far past that initial level.
And even if they did, so what?
What is Intelligence on the first place?
Do we even care?
Then what are we trying to build?
What are we trying to "achieve"?
For what?
What IS the "goal" here?
A brave new world order?
Well, tellya one lil thingy,
it is too late.
It is ALREADY upon all lands.
Where are you running as a mankind?
Toward the abbys of self-destruction?
You wish to fall into a void?
Into a bottomless abyss?
What IS it you wish, mr/ms mankind?
What will make you happy one day?
Do you CARE about such notions?
What would satisfy your human experience
and make you look at life with an awe and wonder,
enjoying every breath of yours,
no matter what the situation is?
What IS it?
When the lions roar,
better keep your tails down.
>Each such robotic projects may had some good ideas
But you have fallen into a trap of morality.
You can not "do science" with these kind of criterias.
What id "good"?
Define first.
Then we'll see if your ideas are "good" or "bad",
"black" or "white", "virtuous" or "evil"?
And I tell you, the very notioin of "good" comes from
morality, created by religion. So, this whole "good"
argument belongs to a domain of religion and not science.
There is no such a thing as "good" or "bad" in science.
>but none of the
>architectures were adequate to represent, and then identify the
>deficiencies
Marvin, this is PURE grade bluff.
Your single sentence is so loaded with delusions,
that we can basically disassemble it word by word
and on about every single word you won't be able to
prove anything.
1. Architecture.
Now, in order for you to make ANY "architecture",
you'd have to define its purpose, don't you?
What is it to "achieve"?
What is it to facilitate?
Anotherwords, what is it for on the first place?
Why do you create ANY architecture?
Based on what primary goals and criterias?
Can you answer this simple quesion?
2. How do you evaluate deficiencies?
From what standpoint?
Compared to what?
To the real intelligence?
But you did not even define the real thing yet.
So, how do you know you have deficiencies?
You'd have to have some utilitarian goal, that
can be completely described,
in order to evaluate deficiencies, and that goal
is limited as of necessity.
3. ALL your "architecture" needs to "adequately represent" what?
"Deficiencies"? Are you in your clear mind?
Nope, you fool of a scientist.
It better represents...
LIFE!
Think REAL fast now.
You have no time left on your clock.
And so it the mankind as such.
The show is pretty much over.
From now on, you'll be cooking good indeed.
Unfortunately, in real terms,
and, unfortunately, ALL life on the planet Earth,
abused to the point of no return,
will have to suffer with you.
Now, according to "official" expert view of the
environmental scientists, by the year 2016, the
planet Earth will be a cooking hell.
And those are not just some "stinky liberals,
trying to destroy the whole free sucking world".
Nope. Those are the results of research of MANY
organizations including the Offense Department
of the united sucking states, and those dudes
do not make mistakes as often as you do.
Just look how it beautifuly worked in Iraq twice
and in Yugoslavia?
This thing is cooking fool blast.
Thanks to you, idiots, trying to make a buck
on creating the most destructive thing in the
entire history of mankind.
Better fall on your knees and howl like a wolf
in self-pitty.
Mankind, your time is up.
>in their high levels of performance.
Marvin, fuck you and fuck this "performance" garbage.
ALL it is is but the process of maximization of the
rate of sucking of the blood of many by the few.
End of argument.
You have an argument here?
Full service, I promise.
> Instead, they
>mostly wasted students' time repeating techniques whose limitations
>were understood in the 50s and 60s
Beaufiful. I like that.
Not only "wasted students time",
but DELUDED them
and lead them in TOTALLY dead end direction,
peddling bullshit to fools who know nothing,
blingly following the blind fools, their
"teachers", leading them all to a bottomless abyss.
They merely created self-significance
and pretended they are working on something
that has not only future, but will eventually
"save" the mankind.
Meanwhile, push push in the bush and satanists
are about to nail the last nail into a coffin
of mankind.
Ever heard of anarchy?
Just watch the show. Soon to begin.
>or dealing with intermittent
>connections, and hysteresis iand backlash in their joints and
>bearings.
Yes. What they have at this junction is pretty much
work on this level.
All PURE grade garbage.
But we all are to pay for they game of cunning priests
of pseudo-science, the fattest of whom work
for military and intelligence projects
get some fat checks, while, at the same time,
giving a lil fuck about what happends
to the entire mankind.
They just want to "survive" THEMSELVES.
Just to survive,
just to survive.
For what, you idiots.
You will not survive for certain.
It is all a matter of time.
And that time is NOW.
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