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Amplitude reduction in downsampling

Amplitude reduction in downsampling  
Lionel Lewis
 Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling  
Rune Allnor
 Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling  
Rune Allnor
 Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling  
Lionel Lewis
 Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling  
Jerry Avins
From:Lionel Lewis
Subject:Amplitude reduction in downsampling
Date:17 Jan 2005 19:45:22 -0800
Hi All,

According to the downsampling formula, the signal's amplitude will be
reduced by a factor of the downsampling factor, M.

Why I can't get that in Matlab?

Fs=8000;
n = (1:Fs)/(Fs)

s1=sin(2*pi*(Fs/8)*n); % sine waves

s2=s1(1:2:end); % downsampled by 2

S1 = fft(s1,512);
S2 = fft(s2,512);

w = (0:255)/256*(Fs/2);

plot(w,abs(S1(1:256)')); % spectrum of original waveform
plot(w,abs(S2(1:256)')); % spectrum of downsampled waveform
From:Rune Allnor
Subject:Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling
Date:18 Jan 2005 01:07:44 -0800

Lionel Lewis wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> According to the downsampling formula, the signal's amplitude will be
> reduced by a factor of the downsampling factor, M.
>
> Why I can't get that in Matlab?
....
> S1 = fft(s1,512);
> S2 = fft(s2,512);

Because you use the same FFT length, in terms of samples, in
both cases. If you think about it, an N point segment of the
downsampled time series is twice as long (in terms of physical
time) as an N-point segment of the original time series, and
thus contains twice as much energy. This cancels the lower
number of samples per unit time, and causes the spectral lines
to have the same amplitude.

Rune
From:Rune Allnor
Subject:Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling
Date:20 Jan 2005 03:26:00 -0800

Lionel Lewis wrote:
> Thank alot,
>
> why can't N simply be number of sample in the time domain. is it
> because of the computational cost?

If you ask about the FFT - yes. In the most efficient
(disregarding certain practical aspects) FFT implementations
N is a power of two.

If you ask about the downsampling, I don't see any reason
why N should be 2 or a power of 2, you could just as well
throw away 999 out of 1000 samples. Provided the signal
otherwise meets all the criteria for decimation.

The thing with downsampling is that you need to start
in physical time domain and compute the Fourier transform
of a series representing the physical time window T.
At different sampling rates, that would men different
numbers of samples.

> Is there a reason why N is always power of 2

It's an easy number to work with. It's the lowest number
where dwnsampling works, and that alone would make it a
very popular number among textbook authors...

Rune
From:Lionel Lewis
Subject:Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling
Date:19 Jan 2005 08:06:16 -0800
Thank alot,

why can't N simply be number of sample in the time domain. is it
because of the computational cost?
Is there a reason why N is always power of 2
From:Jerry Avins
Subject:Re: Amplitude reduction in downsampling
Date:Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:28:31 -0500
Lionel Lewis wrote:

> Thank alot,
>
> why can't N simply be number of sample in the time domain. is it
> because of the computational cost?
> Is there a reason why N is always power of 2

N can be any number for a Fourier transform. The fast Fourier transform
-- FFT -- is a particular way to perform a Fourier transform with great
computational efficiency, and it is most efficient when N is a power of
two. Variants have been written that have good efficiency when N is the
product of small integers. Programmers are a clever fellowship.

Jerry
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