admin wrote:
>
> Hello Friends!
>
> This is to announce a good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
> It has already 200 registered users!

Yep, and its probably a really poor shadow of this one.

Erik
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From:	Bhaskar Thiagarajan
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:16:23 -0800

"admin" wrote in message
news:f5ea693a.0501200146.103899c4@posting.google.com...
> Hello Friends!
>
> This is to announce a good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
> It has already 200 registered users!
>
> admin

I don't understand...what's the point of creating a new one and diluting the
user base if this one works just fine? I can only see ulterior motives (like
advertising) behind this.

Cheers
Bhaskar

From:	Symon
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:43:33 -0800

Hi Bhaskar,
Well, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but I can think of a few
advantages over Usenet.
1) Web based so more people can access it from work.
2) Moderated to cut down on troll/spam noise.
3) Less anonymous (I think phpBB logs IP addresses) to keep crazy people
away, and keep people a little more 'polite'!
4) One of the registered users is Elton John. Perhaps we can get free
tickets.
Cheers, Syms.

"Bhaskar Thiagarajan" wrote in message
news:35aatpF4k7susU1@individual.net...
> I don't understand...what's the point of creating a new one and diluting
the
> user base if this one works just fine? I can only see ulterior motives
(like
> advertising) behind this.
>

From:	Bhaskar Thiagarajan
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:08 -0800

"Symon" wrote in message
news:35acenF4l7b19U1@individual.net...
> Hi Bhaskar,
> Well, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but I can think of a
few
> advantages over Usenet.
> 1) Web based so more people can access it from work.

I can access usenet from work using a free news server. I find web based
forums a lot more difficult to use. In any case, I can always use Google
groups (web based) as an alternative.

> 2) Moderated to cut down on troll/spam noise.

Moderated groups (esp. web based) tend to slow down traffic. In the past,
I've had my posts show up after several hours (in 1 case a whole day).
Trolls and spam are easily dealt with - just control your twitchy fingers on
the keyboard and mouse. Best spam filter I know of is the brain that can
"ignore" :-)

> 3) Less anonymous (I think phpBB logs IP addresses) to keep crazy people
> away, and keep people a little more 'polite'!

I get a ton of spam in my email account because I used it to post on a web
based forum (even though the forum claims it guards my email). So I don't
buy this as a significant advantage.

> 4) One of the registered users is Elton John. Perhaps we can get free
> tickets.

You may have something here...as long as you can find enough DSP people who
also like EJ.

Cheers
Bhaskar

> Cheers, Syms.
>
> "Bhaskar Thiagarajan" wrote in message
> news:35aatpF4k7susU1@individual.net...
> > I don't understand...what's the point of creating a new one and diluting
> the
> > user base if this one works just fine? I can only see ulterior motives
> (like
> > advertising) behind this.
> >
>
>

From:	r_obert at REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:58 -0600

"Bhaskar Thiagarajan" wrote:

>
>You may have something here...as long as you can find enough DSP people who
>also like EJ.
>

He was good in the 70's and early 80's. But now I find him and his
music intolerable. :)

Robert

( modify address for return mail )

www.numbersusa.com
www.americanpatrol.com

From:	Jon Harris
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:51:48 -0800

The issue of web-based forums vs. Usenet vs. e-mail lists comes up every so
often. Sufficed to say, there are pros and cons to each method and there are
DSP-related groups using each of them. To me, the main distinguishing quality
of a forum is the quality of people that participate, much more so than the
implementation method.

FYI, for Symon, you case use Google as a web-based method to access Usenet
groups if you don't have direct access, though it certainly is an inferior
method IMHO.

"Symon" wrote in message
news:35acenF4l7b19U1@individual.net...
> Hi Bhaskar,
> Well, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but I can think of a few
> advantages over Usenet.
> 1) Web based so more people can access it from work.
> 2) Moderated to cut down on troll/spam noise.
> 3) Less anonymous (I think phpBB logs IP addresses) to keep crazy people
> away, and keep people a little more 'polite'!
> 4) One of the registered users is Elton John. Perhaps we can get free
> tickets.
> Cheers, Syms.
>
> "Bhaskar Thiagarajan" wrote in message
> news:35aatpF4k7susU1@individual.net...
> > I don't understand...what's the point of creating a new one and diluting
> the
> > user base if this one works just fine? I can only see ulterior motives
> (like
> > advertising) behind this.
> >
>
>

From:	Jerry Avins
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:37:44 -0500

Jon Harris wrote:

> The issue of web-based forums vs. Usenet vs. e-mail lists comes up every so
> often. Sufficed to say, there are pros and cons to each method and there are
> DSP-related groups using each of them. To me, the main distinguishing quality
> of a forum is the quality of people that participate, much more so than the
> implementation method.
>
> FYI, for Symon, you case use Google as a web-based method to access Usenet
> groups if you don't have direct access, though it certainly is an inferior
> method IMHO.

Many of the conditions that make access through Google inferior apply to
other web-based schemes. There may be better ways, but I haven't seem them.

Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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From:	Randy Yates
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	20 Jan 2005 14:34:12 -0500

"Symon" writes:

> Hi Bhaskar,
> Well, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but I can think of a few
> advantages over Usenet.
> 1) Web based so more people can access it from work.

That advantage is certainly nullified by web-to-usenet gateways such
as Google Groups and Supernews.

> 2) Moderated to cut down on troll/spam noise.

Again not an advantage as usenet groups can be moderated as well.

> 3) Less anonymous (I think phpBB logs IP addresses) to keep crazy people
> away, and keep people a little more 'polite'!

Possibly a real advantage.

> 4) One of the registered users is Elton John. Perhaps we can get free
> tickets.

I'd rather see Keith Emerson.

But seriously, folks...

No, but really. Seriously. Folks. The problem I see is not really
format-based but that one's attention on one topic is divided into 2
or more sources. That is what I abhor about starting a web-based forum
when a perfectly good one such as this already exists.
--
Randy Yates
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA
randy.yates@sonyericsson.com, 919-472-1124

From:	Jaime_Andrés_Aranguren_Cardona
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	21 Jan 2005 06:28:34 -0800

Hi, Sirs.

I subscribed to dsp-bg.info. Although of course it does not have the
knowledge base, niether in number of members, nor in the very vast
diversity of the member's background as comp.dsp, it has some
iteresting features.

I don't expect dsp-bg.info to be a competitor for comp.dsp, but somehow
it serves as a complement. As the ADSP group at Yahoo also complements
comp.dsp, specifically for issues related to Analog Devices' DSP chips
and tools.

One thing I like about this forum is the ability to send PM (Private
Message) to other members and attaching binaries, without disclosing
your e-mail address.

About comp.dsp: I usually access it from Google. It used to take
several hours for the postings to appear there. But with the new Beta
service, it got MUCH better. Here is the url, for those that don't
know: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.dsp/

I also have access from a newsserver, but in another place. Being able
to access it form the Internet helps with mobility, that's good for
comp.dsp, dsp-bg and adsp@yahoogroups.com

Just my opinions.

JaaC

Bhaskar Thiagarajan wrote:
> "admin" wrote in message
> news:f5ea693a.0501200146.103899c4@posting.google.com...
> > Hello Friends!
> >
> > This is to announce a good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
> > It has already 200 registered users!
> >
> > admin
>
> I don't understand...what's the point of creating a new one and
diluting the
> user base if this one works just fine? I can only see ulterior
motives (like
> advertising) behind this.
>
> Cheers
> Bhaskar

From:	Randy Yates
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	21 Jan 2005 10:14:07 -0500

"Jaime Andrés Aranguren Cardona" writes:
> [...]
> About comp.dsp: I usually access it from Google. It used to take
> several hours for the postings to appear there. But with the new Beta
> service, it got MUCH better. Here is the url, for those that don't
> know: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.dsp/

That was a Google problem, not a usenet problem. I've often noticed
that I get responses within minutes of posting, which means that the
round-trip response of the usenet servers, including the time for a
human to read and respond, is on the order of minutes (at least for
some folks).

There are at least two other reasons I would like to strongly discourage
alternate forums:

1. When searching for past information, one only needs
to search in one place and is guaranteed a more complete result.

2. When deciding to post a question, which forum do you post to?
If you choose mutually exclusively, you run the risk of not reaching
the knowledgable people you seek. If you choose both, you waste
time constructing two different posts.

The alternate forum concept is a very bad idea, in my opinion. What
advantages are there are far outweighed by the disadvantages.
--
Randy Yates
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA
randy.yates@sonyericsson.com, 919-472-1124

From:	Symon
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:46:59 -0800

Hi Randy,
Maybe what it needs is one of these open-source Linux types to write an
application which allows you to post to all three main types of group at
once, i.e. Usenet, email and BBS, in one fell click, and allow you to browse
the forum in the method of choice. I also quite like the Slashdot ratings
method where you can choose to only see posts rated highly by other users,
saving you from the worst spam/trolls/homework.
Whatever, like you and others say, it's the content that matters, and Usenet
presently wins on that.
Cheers, Syms.
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
news:xxpoefiyfuo.fsf@usrts005.corpusers.net...
> There are at least two other reasons I would like to strongly discourage
> alternate forums:
>
> 1. When searching for past information, one only needs
> to search in one place and is guaranteed a more complete result.
>
> 2. When deciding to post a question, which forum do you post to?
> If you choose mutually exclusively, you run the risk of not reaching
> the knowledgable people you seek. If you choose both, you waste
> time constructing two different posts.
>

From:	Jerry Avins
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:14:09 -0500

Symon wrote:

> Hi Randy,
> Maybe what it needs is one of these open-source Linux types to write an
> application which allows you to post to all three main types of group at
> once, i.e. Usenet, email and BBS, in one fell click, and allow you to browse
> the forum in the method of choice. I also quite like the Slashdot ratings
> method where you can choose to only see posts rated highly by other users,
> saving you from the worst spam/trolls/homework.
> Whatever, like you and others say, it's the content that matters, and Usenet
> presently wins on that.
> Cheers, Syms.

...

Why bother? What's the gain? Specialized forums, as for specific product
lines, make some sense. But when everybody starts his own club, dilution
saps the vitality of all.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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From:	Jaime_Andrés_Aranguren_Cardona
Subject:	Re: Good DSP forum - www.dsp-bg.info
Date:	21 Jan 2005 07:51:49 -0800

Hi Randy,

Randy Yates wrote:
> "Jaime Andr=E9s Aranguren Cardona" writes:
> > [...]
> > About comp.dsp: I usually access it from Google. It used to take
> > several hours for the postings to appear there. But with the new
Beta
> > service, it got MUCH better. Here is the url, for those that don't
> > know: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.dsp/
>
> That was a Google problem, not a usenet problem. I've often noticed

Yes. Google is what I was talking about. Google is what (seems to
have)improved.

> There are at least two other reasons I would like to strongly
discourage
> alternate forums:

That is your opinion, and it is shared by many here. That's
respectable. Please don't leave comp.dsp, we need you here.

JaaC