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 | | From: | jmdrake_98 at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: Async Array Devices and other new forth chips? | | Date: | 18 Jan 2005 08:02:32 -0800 |
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 | There is an x18 and 25x compiler and emulator in the colorForth
distribution.
There's some documentation on this here:
http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef01.html
Chuck et al are being quiet these days due to potentienal commercial
breakthroughs and due to this inane lawsuit by Patriot Scientific. But
you may get some help on the x18 and 25x compiler/emulator from the
colorForth mailing list.
Regards,
John M. Drake
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| | From: | Wayne | | Subject: | Re: Async Array Devices and other new forth chips? | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:29:53 +1000 |
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| Ohh..typical, they promise you something you want, and neglect to tell you
it's hidden right under your nose (sounds like life ;) It's a start.
still need to tal to them commercially and find out more. Thanks for that.
Did a recky on the Arm chips, the cores start at 0.06MW per Mhz, I think
that will halve if they introduce a 0.13 micro Cortex. Pretty good ratio,
within my max spec requirements, I think the x18 would get much les than
that. At least I won't have to resort to a PIC.
They are pretty quiet, Jeff is still posting here, so they must know of my
interest.
Wayne.
On 18 Jan 2005 08:02:32 -0800, wrote:
> There is an x18 and 25x compiler and emulator in the colorForth
> distribution.
> There's some documentation on this here:
>
> http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/euro/ef01.html
>
> Chuck et al are being quiet these days due to potentienal commercial
> breakthroughs and due to this inane lawsuit by Patriot Scientific. But
> you may get some help on the x18 and 25x compiler/emulator from the
> colorForth mailing list.
>
> Regards,
>
> John M. Drake
>
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| | From: | rickman | | Subject: | Re: Async Array Devices and other new forth chips? | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:46:48 -0500 |
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| Wayne wrote:
> Ohh..typical, they promise you something you want, and neglect to tell
> you it's hidden right under your nose (sounds like life ;) It's a
> start. still need to tal to them commercially and find out more.
> Thanks for that.
>
> Did a recky on the Arm chips, the cores start at 0.06MW per Mhz, I
> think that will halve if they introduce a 0.13 micro Cortex. Pretty
> good ratio, within my max spec requirements, I think the x18 would get
> much les than that. At least I won't have to resort to a PIC.
You don't say what speed range you are looking for. Do you need a very
low power processor or a high performance one? Both can be power
efficient, but there is a big difference between the two. Also, do you
need IP or a chip?
> They are pretty quiet, Jeff is still posting here, so they must know of
> my interest.
But they may expect you to actually contact them. That would also show
interest. :)
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Rick Collins
rick.collins@XYarius.com
Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company
Specializing in DSP and FPGA design http://www.arius.com
4 King Ave. 301-682-7772 Voice
Frederick, MD 21701-3110 GNU tools for the ARM http://www.gnuarm.com
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| | From: | Wayne | | Subject: | Re: Async Array Devices and other new forth chips? | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:00:40 +1000 |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:46:48 -0500, rickman
wrote:
> Wayne wrote:
>
>> Ohh..typical, they promise you something you want, and neglect to tell
>> you it's hidden right under your nose (sounds like life ;) It's a
>> start. still need to tal to them commercially and find out more.
>> Thanks for that.
>> Did a recky on the Arm chips, the cores start at 0.06MW per Mhz, I
>> think that will halve if they introduce a 0.13 micro Cortex. Pretty
>> good ratio, within my max spec requirements, I think the x18 would get
>> much les than that. At least I won't have to resort to a PIC.
>
> You don't say what speed range you are looking for. Do you need a very
> low power processor or a high performance one? Both can be power
> efficient, but there is a big difference between the two. Also, do you
> need IP or a chip?
I can start with tens of Khz or Ghz, it doesn't matter some applications
need more than others, what does matter is the power consumption and other
specs. I have emailed Chuck twice, so I'll wait, maybe he is on
holidays. Talking to me about product and applications has nothing to do
with any law suit. I suspect they have gone into a formal hush mode
before he storm (the April release). I hope they have something good.
People talkiing about Forth chip disasters, I was around when a forth chip
was the fastest, most powerfull, on the planet, I have seen it many
times. It is not enough to have a product and run a company, it is how
you run it and the product. That is one reason I got out of it years
ago. I could spin off dozens of applications that would be usefull, but
unless a business knows how to manage them, it is pointless doing them.
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| | From: | rickman | | Subject: | Re: Async Array Devices and other new forth chips? | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:49:42 -0500 |
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| Wayne wrote:
> I can start with tens of Khz or Ghz, it doesn't matter some
> applications need more than others, what does matter is the power
> consumption and other specs. I have emailed Chuck twice, so I'll wait,
> maybe he is on holidays. Talking to me about product and applications
> has nothing to do with any law suit. I suspect they have gone into a
> formal hush mode before he storm (the April release). I hope they have
> something good.
>
> People talkiing about Forth chip disasters, I was around when a forth
> chip was the fastest, most powerfull, on the planet, I have seen it
> many times. It is not enough to have a product and run a company, it
> is how you run it and the product. That is one reason I got out of it
> years ago. I could spin off dozens of applications that would be
> usefull, but unless a business knows how to manage them, it is
> pointless doing them.
I'm not talking about Forth chip disasters. I am trying to understand
your needs and I still know very little about what you require from a
stack processor. If you are interested in sharing your needs, I would
be interested in considering what might fit those requirements. Not
that you sound like you need help, but it would certainly be educational
to me.
--
Rick Collins
rick.collins@XYarius.com
Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company
Specializing in DSP and FPGA design http://www.arius.com
4 King Ave. 301-682-7772 Voice
Frederick, MD 21701-3110 GNU tools for the ARM http://www.gnuarm.com
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