He pit-stopped in Forth Worth.

That doesn't look like being related to Forth.
But all other items found by Google requiring
"in Forth" instead of Forth are on topic for Forth.

Sick of finding "back and forth" "and so forth" when
looking for Forth on the Internet? At last here is the
solution. It is unlikely that a Forth page has not Forth
preceded by "in" somewhere.

--
Groetjes Albert
--
Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
One man-hour to invent,
One man-week to implement,
One lawyer-year to patent.

From:	Guy Macon
Subject:	Re: He pit-stopped in Forth Worth
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:56:36 +0000

Albert van der Horst wrote:
>
>He pit-stopped in Forth Worth.
>
>That doesn't look like being related to Forth.
>But all other items found by Google requiring
>"in Forth" instead of Forth are on topic for Forth.
>
>Sick of finding "back and forth" "and so forth" when
>looking for Forth on the Internet? At last here is the
>solution. It is unlikely that a Forth page has not Forth
>preceded by "in" somewhere.

*very* good! Now that you have pointed this out, we can all
make sure that our forth web pages have that term in them.

From:	Coos Haak
Subject:	Re: He pit-stopped in Forth Worth
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:59:35 +0100

Op Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:56:36 +0000 schreef Guy Macon:

> Albert van der Horst wrote:
>>
>>He pit-stopped in Forth Worth.
>>
>>That doesn't look like being related to Forth.
>>But all other items found by Google requiring
>>"in Forth" instead of Forth are on topic for Forth.
>>
>>Sick of finding "back and forth" "and so forth" when
>>looking for Forth on the Internet? At last here is the
>>solution. It is unlikely that a Forth page has not Forth
>>preceded by "in" somewhere.
>
> *very* good! Now that you have pointed this out, we can all
> make sure that our forth web pages have that term in them.

I'v just Googled this and after about 30 hits, the
Forth Valley in Scotland pops up, but only sparingly.
I think we must allow this, the bridge is an icon on
my little site.
No other interferences I saw in the first 100 hits.

Go Forth and thou shalt eat spinach, as we say here!

--
Coos
home.hccnet.nl/j.j.haak/forth.html

From:	Albert van der Horst
Subject:	Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	21 Jan 2005 18:06:22 GMT

In article <10utbbcs5ci4669@corp.supernews.com>,
Guy Macon <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
>
>Albert van der Horst wrote:
>>
>>He pit-stopped in Forth Worth.
>>
>>That doesn't look like being related to Forth.
>>But all other items found by Google requiring
>>"in Forth" instead of Forth are on topic for Forth.
>>

>
>*very* good! Now that you have pointed this out, we can all
>make sure that our forth web pages have that term in them.

So all you who have written something in Forth and published
it on the net, please specify "in Forth" in the keyword section
of the page.
I suggest that implementors specify "Forth implementation".

--

Groetjes Albert
--
Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
One man-hour to invent,
One man-week to implement,
One lawyer-year to patent.

From:	Guy Macon
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:13:51 +0000

Albert van der Horst wrote:
>
>Guy Macon wrote:
>>
>>*very* good! Now that you have pointed this out, we can all
>>make sure that our forth web pages have that term in them.
>
>So all you who have written something in Forth and published
>it on the net, please specify "in Forth" in the keyword section
>of the page.

....and somewhere in the body. Google ignores anything that is
in the keyword part of the head but not in the body - too many
cheaters were abusing the system.

>I suggest that implementors specify "Forth implementation".

Excellent idea.

From:	dkelvey at hotmail.com
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	21 Jan 2005 16:01:02 -0800

Hi
How about "Forth Inside". Of course in both keywords and body.
Dwight

From:	Albert van der Horst
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	22 Jan 2005 13:35:46 GMT

In article <1106352062.840236.202170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
>Hi
>How about "Forth Inside". Of course in both keywords and body.

The advantage of the "in forth" convention is that a
great many pages already can be found using it.
"I wrote this assembler in forth because ..."
"Other implementation of b-tree's in forth can be found .."

45 of the 46 html files on my home page contain "forth".
15 of them contain the phrase "in Forth".
If this is any indication, approximately one third of the
Forth relevant information can be found already using
"in Forth".

As Coos Haak has investigated, there are relatively few
false positives. They would certainly go down with your
convention, but they are hardly a problem.

If someone wants to investigate this, look into the first
1000 hits for forth in google that actually refer to Forth.
(You will have to skip a great many more ...)
Than find how many are missed, if you search for "in forth".

>Dwight
>

--
--
Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
One man-hour to invent,
One man-week to implement,
One lawyer-year to patent.

From:	Anton Ertl
Subject:	search engine terms (was: He pit-stopped in Forth Worth)
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:00:25 GMT

Albert van der Horst writes:
>Sick of finding "back and forth" "and so forth" when
>looking for Forth on the Internet?

Forth language
Forth programming
Forth code

Hmm, my pages seem to have fallen from grace on google.

- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/ansforth/forth200x.html

From:	Albert van der Horst
Subject:	Re: search engine terms (was: He pit-stopped in Forth Worth)
Date:	19 Jan 2005 23:18:08 GMT

In article <2005Jan19.200025@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl wrote:
>Albert van der Horst writes:
>>Sick of finding "back and forth" "and so forth" when
>>looking for Forth on the Internet?
>
>Forth language
>Forth programming
>Forth code
>
>Hmm, my pages seem to have fallen from grace on google.

Not mine.

Forth reverse engineering ==> 1 from 448,000 (!)
Forth regular expressions ==> 31 from 448,000
Intel 386 assembler ==> 1 from 35,600
Dec alpha assembler ==> 1 and 2 from 68,000
Motorola assembler ==> 4 from 123,000

I played this game today to mention in a job application
for a commercial website.

I am pleased that people looking for assemblers will at least
find some Forth assemblers.

My website has 45 files with Forth in it.
From those 15 contain the exact phrase 'in forth'.
Only 2,2,0 contain phrases of the sort 'forth code'.

>- anton
>--
>M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
>comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
>New standard: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/ansforth/forth200x.html

--
--
Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
One man-hour to invent,
One man-week to implement,
One lawyer-year to patent.

From:	Guy Macon
Subject:	Re: search engine terms
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:29:25 +0000

Albert van der Horst wrote:

>Forth reverse engineering ==> 1 from 448,000 (!)
>Forth regular expressions ==> 31 from 448,000
>Intel 386 assembler ==> 1 from 35,600
>Dec alpha assembler ==> 1 and 2 from 68,000
>Motorola assembler ==> 4 from 123,000
>
>I played this game today to mention in a job application
>for a commercial website.

I am not getting the numbers you list above.
I get a different #1 for each search phrase.

BTW, here is how I am doing on my target search phrases:

electrical engineer resume 1 out of 793,000
electronic engineer resume 1 out of 644,000
electronics engineer resume 1 out of 330,000
real-time engineer resume 1 out of 173,000
embedded engineer resume 1 out of 161,000
toy engineer resume 1 out of 22,600
microcontroller engineer resume 1 of 10,700
engineer resume 4 out of 3,690,000 (2nd resume)
los angeles engineer 6 out of 2,000,000 (1st resume)
orange county engineer 2 out of 435,000 (1st resume)
toy engineer 11 out of 422,000 (1st resume)
714 resume 3 out of 140,000 (1st resume)
forth engineer resume 4 out of 164,000 (4th resume)
microcontroller resume 4 out of 29,400 (4th resume)

--
Guy Macon

From:	Albert van der Horst
Subject:	Re: search engine terms
Date:	20 Jan 2005 10:15:11 GMT

In article <10uugdubceljl1e@corp.supernews.com>,
Guy Macon wrote:
>
>Albert van der Horst wrote:
>

>>
>>I played this game today to mention in a job application
>>for a commercial website.
>
>I am not getting the numbers you list above.
>I get a different #1 for each search phrase.

Those scores have whims, shades of intelligence.
I hope it holds for googling from the Netherlands
until they have hired me. I observed once that
``tomato game'' scored one in google. Now it is nowhere
to be seen. (I actually have a tomato throwing game on
my site for download.)

>
>BTW, here is how I am doing on my target search phrases:
>

>electrical engineer resume 1 out of 793,000

As a matter of fact your site is brilliant and deserves
a score like that. Google is really able to sniff out
good websites. Tricks are no substitute for providing
relevant content.
Google is doing just a good job in scoring my site
first for "Forth reverse engineering".

I plan to place more resume information about myself
on my page. I hope you don't mind if I pinch some idea's.

>
>--
>Guy Macon
>

Groetjes Albert

--
--
Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
One man-hour to invent,
One man-week to implement,
One lawyer-year to patent.

From:	Guy Macon
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:51:57 +0000

dkelvey@hotmail.com wrote:

>How about "Forth Inside". Of course in both keywords and body.

Do a web search and see how many of the existing Forth webpages
contain the string "in Forth" (and how many non-Forth pages come
up). Now do the same with "Forth Inside."

From:	Paul E. Bennett
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:26:44 +0000

Guy Macon wrote:

>
> dkelvey@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>How about "Forth Inside". Of course in both keywords and body.
>
> Do a web search and see how many of the existing Forth webpages
> contain the string "in Forth" (and how many non-Forth pages come
> up). Now do the same with "Forth Inside."

There is quite a difference between putting the terms in quotes and not
doing so.

forth inside 4,470,000 (not all first page links on Forth programming)
"forth inside" 26,400 (not all first page links on Forth programming)
in forth 32,800,000 (not all first page links on Forth programming)
"in forth" 69,000 (fist two pages on Forth programming topics)

Interesting.

--
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From:	Guy Macon
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:55:44 +0000

Paul E. Bennett wrote:
>
>Guy Macon wrote:
>
>> dkelvey@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>How about "Forth Inside". Of course in both keywords and body.
>>
>> Do a web search and see how many of the existing Forth webpages
>> contain the string "in Forth" (and how many non-Forth pages come
>> up). Now do the same with "Forth Inside."
>
>There is quite a difference between putting the terms in quotes and not
>doing so.
>
>forth inside 4,470,000 (not all first page links on Forth programming)
>"forth inside" 26,400 (not all first page links on Forth programming)
>in forth 32,800,000 (not all first page links on Forth programming)
>"in forth" 69,000 (fist two pages on Forth programming topics)
>
>Interesting.

Without the quotes it finds any page with those two words anywhere
on the page. With the quotes it finds only pages with the phrase.
What makes "in forth" so nice is the lack of off-topic results.

From:	Bernd Paysan
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:15:35 +0100

Guy Macon wrote:
> Without the quotes it finds any page with those two words anywhere
> on the page. With the quotes it finds only pages with the phrase.
> What makes "in forth" so nice is the lack of off-topic results.

Actually, without quotes, Google simple drops the "in", because it's such a
frequent word that few web-pages don't contain it.

--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/

From:	Albert van der Horst
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	22 Jan 2005 23:39:58 GMT

In article <7os9c2-1gn.ln1@vimes.paysan.nom>,
Bernd Paysan wrote:
>Guy Macon wrote:
>> Without the quotes it finds any page with those two words anywhere
>> on the page. With the quotes it finds only pages with the phrase.
>> What makes "in forth" so nice is the lack of off-topic results.
>
>Actually, without quotes, Google simple drops the "in", because it's such a
>frequent word that few web-pages don't contain it.

You and Macon seem very knowledgeable about Google.
Hence my question.

Does it make sense to put "in Forth" (so somehow quoted) in
a keywords section of a web page? Would it be treated differently
then the same without quotes? And ... how does one go about this,
because the keywords are already quoted:
keyword content="Forth language motorola 6809 ... "

>
>--
>Bernd Paysan

Groetjes Albert
--

--
Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
One man-hour to invent,
One man-week to implement,
One lawyer-year to patent.

From:	Guy Macon
Subject:	Re: Keyword "in Forth" for Forth website.
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:46:28 +0000

Albert van der Horst wrote:

>Does it make sense to put "in Forth" (so somehow quoted) in
>a keywords section of a web page? Would it be treated differently
>then the same without quotes? And ... how does one go about this,
>because the keywords are already quoted:
>keyword content="Forth language motorola 6809 ... "

The way to do try to convey that "motorola 6809" is a phrase
would be: "Forth, language, motorola-6809, ... " The commas
are supposed to be seperators, and the dash is supposed to
be a combiner.

That being said, none of the major search engines pay any attention
at all to any word list you put in the head of your HTML document.
I put one in anyway, but I keep it short, because it is a waste of
bandwidth, and I make sure that every word/phrase in it is in the
body of the HTML document.