On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:23:10 +0000, bazad wrote
(in article <1099610632.WMPzoDaumuqWTf3bftp48g@teranews>):

> Could you recommend a book about Objective C?

Stephen Kochan's "Programming in Objective-C". See -

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From:	Laurent Deniau
Subject:	Re: Book Recommendations
Date:	Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:27:42 +0100

Ian Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:23:10 +0000, bazad wrote
> (in article <1099610632.WMPzoDaumuqWTf3bftp48g@teranews>):
>
>
>>Could you recommend a book about Objective C?
>
>
> Stephen Kochan's "Programming in Objective-C". See -
>
>

I have seen this book cited many times on this newsgroup but I would
like to say that this is only an *introduction* to Objective-C, really
newbies oriented.

BTW the full title of the book is "Programming in Objective-C, A
Complete Introduction to the Objectice-C Language" and I believe that
the word *introduction* should not be omitted.

I also would like to say that I was quite disappointed by the level and
the topics covered during the reading. More than half of the book is
only on C. Not very interesting indeed since better books on C exist
(e.g. C A Reference Manual, Harbison & Steele) and interesting points of
Objective-C are not really covered. Probably because of the background
of the author. I am not against this book but I would recommand it only
to beginners in both C and Objective-C.

I prefer the Objective-C Pocket Reference from A.M. Duncan. It says much
more in 130p than the S.G. Kochan's in 570p (and it's cheaper).

a+, ld.

From:	bazad
Subject:	Re: Book Recommendations
Date:	05 Nov 2004 10:31:19 -0800

Laurent Deniau writes:

> I have seen this book cited many times on this newsgroup but I would
> like to say that this is only an *introduction* to Objective-C, really
> newbies oriented.
>
> BTW the full title of the book is "Programming in Objective-C, A
> Complete Introduction to the Objectice-C Language" and I believe that
> the word *introduction* should not be omitted.
>
> I also would like to say that I was quite disappointed by the level
> and the topics covered during the reading. More than half of the book
> is only on C. Not very interesting indeed since better books on C
> exist (e.g. C A Reference Manual, Harbison & Steele) and interesting
> points of Objective-C are not really covered. Probably because of the
> background of the author. I am not against this book but I would
> recommand it only to beginners in both C and Objective-C.
>
> I prefer the Objective-C Pocket Reference from A.M. Duncan. It says
> much more in 130p than the S.G. Kochan's in 570p (and it's cheaper).
>
> a+, ld.

Thank you.

I don't need a lot of introduction to programming. Online tutorials
tend to be at this level. They gave me an idea about what Objective C
is, but not the details.

From:	Stephen Kochan
Subject:	Re: Book Recommendations
Date:	5 Nov 2004 16:12:54 -0800

> More than half of the book is only on C. Not very interesting indeed since better books on C exist
> (e.g. C A Reference Manual, Harbison & Steele) ...

Yes, I also have a C programming book "Programming in C," that I
wrote over 20 years ago (and just recently revised). If you read the
introduction, you will see that the purpose of this book was to teach
Objective-C without assuming prior C programming knowledge. I won't
restate the case here (it's also in the intro), but I don't think the
best approach to learning Objective-C is by first learning C.
Feedback from readers affirm this approach...many have been waiting
for a book to learn Objective-C without having to learn C first.

>
> I prefer the Objective-C Pocket Reference from A.M. Duncan. It says much
> more in 130p than the S.G. Kochan's in 570p (and it's cheaper).
>

I think the Pocket Reference is a good book, but it serves a
completely different audience. There's no way a novice programmer, or
a programmer that doesn't already know C can lean Objective-C from
that book.

Steve Kochan

From:	Ian Robinson
Subject:	Re: Book Recommendations
Date:	Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:29:31 +0000

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:27:42 +0000, Laurent Deniau wrote
(in article ):

> I have seen this book cited many times on this newsgroup but I would
> like to say that this is only an *introduction* to Objective-C, really
> newbies oriented.

As a visit to the URL would have shown. People don't need spoon feed
everything.

Ian

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From:	Alan J. Salmoni
Subject:	Re: Book Recommendations
Date:	30 Nov 2004 07:34:25 -0800

Having tried Kochan's book, I have to say that I found it quite good.
Although not new to C, I am in no way totally familiar with it and
found going over some C stuff to be quite useful. The Objective- C
information is good too, but like I said I am new to the field.

It all depends upon what you want: if you are already a C wizard and
comfortable with OOP in other languages (particularly SmallTalk?), then
it is unlikely the book will suit you so go for what Laurent
recommends. Otherwise, Kochan's book is quite nice and comfortable.
Alan.

From:	David Stes
Subject:	Re: Book Recommendations
Date:	Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:39:15 GMT

bazad wrote:
> Could you recommend a book about Objective C?

The FAQ has some pointers.