The Mutt manual at /usr/doc/mutt/manual.txt explains the "index" and
"pager"
but never explains what is the "file browser".
Is this an "imap" thing?

Does the "file browser" mean the "index"? If not what?

Thanks,
Larry Alkoff

From:	Sven Guckes
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	16 Jan 2005 19:48:47 GMT

* Austin Reed [2005-01-16]:
> The Mutt manual at /usr/doc/mutt/manual.txt explains the "index"
> and "pager" - but never explains what is the "file browser".
> Is this an "imap" thing?

no.. it's part of the dialog where you get to choose a folder.

> Thanks,
> Larry Alkoff

Austin Reed == Larry Alkoff ?

Sven

From:	Austin Reed
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:06:03 GMT

On 16 Jan 2005 19:48:47 GMT, Sven Guckes wrote:

>* Austin Reed [2005-01-16]:
>> The Mutt manual at /usr/doc/mutt/manual.txt explains the "index"
>> and "pager" - but never explains what is the "file browser".
>> Is this an "imap" thing?
>
>no.. it's part of the dialog where you get to choose a folder.
I"ve never seen that. When does it appear?

Are you referring the screen that comes up when I issue "c ?" ?
I thought that was the index.

>
>> Thanks,
>> Larry Alkoff
>
>Austin Reed == Larry Alkoff ?
Yes, guess I'll have to deep 6 Austin.

>Sven

From:	Michael Tatge
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:48:11 +0100

On 2005-01-16, Austin Reed wrote:
> The Mutt manual never explains what is the "file browser".
> Is this an "imap" thing?
>
> Does the "file browser" mean the "index"? If not what?

Hit c? there you are right in the file browser. It's the thing with
which you are browsing files obviously.

Michael

From:	Sven Guckes
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	17 Jan 2005 20:57:22 GMT

* Michael Tatge [2005-01-17]:
> On 2005-01-16, Austin Reed wrote:
>> The Mutt manual never explains what is the "file browser".
>> Is this an "imap" thing?
>> Does the "file browser" mean the "index"? If not what?
>
> Hit c? there you are right in the file browser. It's
> the thing with which you are browsing files obviously.

you are talking to someone who is using an invalid address -
and i'm not so sure about the validity of the name, either.
i doubt to them there is anything such as "obvious".. *ehem*

Sven

From:	Larry Alkoff
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:49:52 GMT

On 17 Jan 2005 20:57:22 GMT, Sven Guckes wrote:

>* Michael Tatge [2005-01-17]:
>> On 2005-01-16, Austin Reed wrote:
>>> The Mutt manual never explains what is the "file browser".
>>> Is this an "imap" thing?
>>> Does the "file browser" mean the "index"? If not what?
>>
>> Hit c? there you are right in the file browser. It's
>> the thing with which you are browsing files obviously.
>
>you are talking to someone who is using an invalid address -
>and i'm not so sure about the validity of the name, either.
>i doubt to them there is anything such as "obvious".. *ehem*
>
>Sven

There's no need to flame Sven.
_I_ know where I am and my name too.

It's not obvious at all, which is why I have to pin it down so I can
continue learning about Mutt in an organized fashion.

The muttmanual talks about the Index - I understand that just fine.
It also talks about an IMAP Browser (hence my question about "IMAP
thing" ) and a WWW Browser but nowhere does it say or even imply that
the "File Browser" is the "Index".

That's something I would expect a "Manual" to define a little more
clearly.

So my question, just to make absolutely sure:
Does the "File Browser" mean the "Index".

BTW, I like the term File Browser much better than Index.

Larry

From:	Sven Guckes
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	18 Jan 2005 18:08:01 GMT

* Larry Alkoff [2005-01-18]:
> So my question, just to make absolutely sure:
> Does the "File Browser" mean the "Index".

no.

Sven

From:	Theo Vermeulen
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	18 Jan 2005 16:58:35 GMT

Larry Alkoff wrote:
> So my question, just to make absolutely sure:
> Does the "File Browser" mean the "Index".

Index is where you choose your mails
file browsers is where you choose your mailbox.

Index:

1 Jan 15 I_Am_A_Spammer (200) Huge c0Xor for fr33
2 Jan 15 I_Am_Your_Friend (100) WHAT exactly is your name?
3 Jan 15 I_Am_Your_Friend (130) `->

Filebrowser:

1 drwxr-xr-x 50 larry larry 5320 Jan 18 17:49 ../
2 -rw------- 1 larry larry 153532015 Jan 15 10:00 Spam.In
3 -rw------- 1 larry larry 86130 Jan 12 16:12 Sent

I hope this is clear enough. (it took me long enough to type it)

Greetings

Theo Vermeulen

From:	Larry Alkoff
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:46:40 GMT

On 18 Jan 2005 16:58:35 GMT, Theo Vermeulen
wrote:

>Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> So my question, just to make absolutely sure:
>> Does the "File Browser" mean the "Index".
>
>
>Index is where you choose your mails
>file browsers is where you choose your mailbox.
>
>Index:
>
>1 Jan 15 I_Am_A_Spammer (200) Huge c0Xor for fr33
>2 Jan 15 I_Am_Your_Friend (100) WHAT exactly is your name?
>3 Jan 15 I_Am_Your_Friend (130) `->
>
>
>Filebrowser:
>
>1 drwxr-xr-x 50 larry larry 5320 Jan 18 17:49 ../
>2 -rw------- 1 larry larry 153532015 Jan 15 10:00 Spam.In
>3 -rw------- 1 larry larry 86130 Jan 12 16:12 Sent
>
>I hope this is clear enough. (it took me long enough to type it)
>Theo Vermeulen

Thank you for your reply Theo. I think I finally "got it".

Apparently I have been thinking of your Filebrowser above as the Index
and and your Index above as the Pager.

The Filebrowser shows both mailbox files and directories.

If you press Enter on a subdirectory, you are still in the Browser.

If you press Enter on a mailbox you are in the Index list of email
headers.

If you press Enter on a header you are in the Pager which shows the
message body with a mini-Index on top.

My confusion comes from the Mutt manual:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
2.3. Reading Mail - The Index and Pager

Similar to many other mail clients, there are two modes in which
mail is read in Mutt. The first is the index of messages in the
mailbox, which is called the ``index'' in Mutt. The second mode is
the display of the message contents. This is called the ``pager.''
---------------------------------------------------------------------

What the manual does not state is that there is a third mode of using
the Filebrowser to get to the Index to view the headers and
subsequently to the Pager to see the contents.

I'm used to bi-modal programs (like vi) so when the manual says there
are two modes that was my starting point.

In fact Mutt's three modes are similiar to a standard 3-pane mail
client except that the modes are not all visible at the same time.

Please reply to tell me if this understanding is correct.

Thanks,
Larry Alkoff

From:	Peter H. Coffin
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:10:44 -0600

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:46:40 GMT, Larry Alkoff wrote:
> Thank you for your reply Theo. I think I finally "got it".
>
> Apparently I have been thinking of your Filebrowser above as the Index
> and and your Index above as the Pager.
>
> The Filebrowser shows both mailbox files and directories.
>
> If you press Enter on a subdirectory, you are still in the Browser.
>
> If you press Enter on a mailbox you are in the Index list of email
> headers.
>
> If you press Enter on a header you are in the Pager which shows the
> message body with a mini-Index on top.

Yes.

>
> My confusion comes from the Mutt manual:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2.3. Reading Mail - The Index and Pager
>
> Similar to many other mail clients, there are two modes in which
> mail is read in Mutt. The first is the index of messages in the
> mailbox, which is called the ``index'' in Mutt. The second mode is
> the display of the message contents. This is called the ``pager.''
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What the manual does not state is that there is a third mode of using
> the Filebrowser to get to the Index to view the headers and
> subsequently to the Pager to see the contents.

But that is not about reading mail. The File Browser is about selecting
a mailbox, which must be done and completed BEFORE any mail reading can
happen.

> I'm used to bi-modal programs (like vi) so when the manual says there
> are two modes that was my starting point.
>
> In fact Mutt's three modes are similiar to a standard 3-pane mail
> client except that the modes are not all visible at the same time.
>
> Please reply to tell me if this understanding is correct.

Plus or minus some odd vocabulary, this is correct. Your trouble has
stemmed from being over-broad about grouping functions into "modes" of a
larger concept. This is exactly why Index and File Browser have
different names, to prevent this kind of mistaken association.

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immediately come after me for revenge.
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From:	gregor herrmann
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:56:19 +0100

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:10:44 -0600, Peter H. Coffin wrote:

>> What the manual does not state is that there is a third mode of using
>> the Filebrowser to get to the Index to view the headers and
>> subsequently to the Pager to see the contents.
> But that is not about reading mail. The File Browser is about selecting
> a mailbox, which must be done and completed BEFORE any mail reading can
> happen.

And the file browser appears when selecting an attachment, too.

gregor
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From:	Peter H. Coffin
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:42:20 -0600

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:49:52 GMT, Larry Alkoff wrote:
> It's not obvious at all, which is why I have to pin it down so I can
> continue learning about Mutt in an organized fashion.
>
> The muttmanual talks about the Index - I understand that just fine.
> It also talks about an IMAP Browser (hence my question about "IMAP
> thing" ) and a WWW Browser but nowhere does it say or even imply that
> the "File Browser" is the "Index".

Why should it?

> That's something I would expect a "Manual" to define a little more
> clearly.

It's pretty clear. There is no statement or implication that the File
Browser is the Index.

> So my question, just to make absolutely sure:
> Does the "File Browser" mean the "Index".

No.

> BTW, I like the term File Browser much better than Index.

Aww.... Isn't that sweet... So unfortunate that the two terms don't mean
the same thing! Do you like "cheeseburger" better than "shark" as well?

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From:	Paul Walker
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:17:40 +0000 (UTC)

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:42:20 -0600, Peter H. Coffin wrote:

> Aww.... Isn't that sweet... So unfortunate that the two terms don't mean
> the same thing! Do you like "cheeseburger" better than "shark" as well?

Well, you can eat both of them. It's just that McDonald's don't serve shark.

--
Paul

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and it really loosened him up." -- Comments from MIT course evaluation guide

From:	Hendrik Mangels
Subject:	Re: What is the "file browser"
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:06:47 +0100

Paul Walker:
> It's just that McDonald's don't serve shark.

Are you sure? Some things there taste like squirrel, maybe others
taste like shark. Maybe for your convenience they just name it
different...

Hendrik