Hi,

I have a list of contacts which I send updates regularly.
This list has recently increased.

In the alias section of my .muttrc I have set up a group in an external
file :

source ~/emailing/clients.txt

clients.txt looks like :

alias clients , \
my@client.ca, \
...

If clients.txt is too long (it is almost 1500 contacts), Mutt complains
and returns an error at startup.

Moreover (and presumably as a consequence), if I try to email this group
of recipients, the Bcc: line ends before the list of recepients is
complete.

So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing with Mutt that he
or she would share with me?

I have been thinking of cutting my clients.txt file into several smaller
files, until it becomes accepted by Mutt, but I find it not very
satisfying.

Many thanks in advance,
--
Sébastien Mengin
www.luxediteur.com

From:	Hendrik Mangels
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:23:47 +0100

Sébastien Mengin:
> So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing with Mutt
> that he or she would share with me?

We could tell you - but then we'd have to kill you.

Hendrik

From:	Sébastien Mengin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:20:49 GMT

Le 19-01-2005, Hendrik Mangels a écrit :
> Sébastien Mengin:
>> So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing with Mutt
>> that he or she would share with me?
>
> We could tell you - but then we'd have to kill you.

:-)))

--
Sébastien Mengin
www.luxediteur.com

From:	Sven Guckes
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	19 Jan 2005 21:21:12 GMT

* Sébastien Mengin [2005-01-19]:
> I have a list of contacts which I send updates regularly. This list
> has recently increased. .. If clients.txt is too long (it is almost
> 1500 contacts), Mutt complains and returns an error at startup. [etc]
> So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing
> with Mutt that he or she would share with me?

man fastmail

and if you spam with mutt then
you had better not get caught...

Sven

From:	Sébastien Mengin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:20:24 GMT

Le 19-01-2005, Sven Guckes a écrit :
> man fastmail

Thanks.

> and if you spam with mutt then
> you had better not get caught...

I was sure I would be suspected of it. Damn. How one can send
information to all its contact without being suspected of spamming
activity?... Paranoid era...

--
Sébastien Mengin
www.luxediteur.com

From:	Hendrik Mangels
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:05:22 +0100

Sébastien Mengin:
> I was sure I would be suspected of it. Damn. How one can send
> information to all its contact without being suspected of
> spamming activity?... Paranoid era...

,----[ ]
| If clients.txt is too long (it is almost 1500 contacts), Mutt
| complains and returns an error at startup.
`----

1500 individuals are interested in what you are writing...
Who are you, Stephen King? ;-)

Hendrik

From:	Sébastien Mengin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:01:22 GMT

Le 19-01-2005, Hendrik Mangels

a écrit :

> ,----[ ]
>| If clients.txt is too long (it is almost 1500 contacts), Mutt
>| complains and returns an error at startup.
> `----
>
> 1500 individuals are interested in what you are writing...
> Who are you, Stephen King? ;-)

I'm not a writer. We are publisher (luxediteur.com, as mentionned in my
signature of my original post...).
And yes: we have approx 1500 contacts who want to get updates about our
work.

Sincerely,
--
Sébastien

From:	Tero Tilus
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:22:56 +0000 (UTC)

Sébastien Mengin kirjoitteli:
> I'm not a writer. We are publisher (luxediteur.com, as mentionned in
> my signature of my original post...). And yes: we have approx 1500
> contacts who want to get updates about our work.

Wouldn't a mailing list manager do better than plain MUA? I would
setup ezmlm list for this kinda job. That way you also ease out the
delivery management and archival.

--
Tero Tilus ########### http://www.iki.fi/tero.tilus/
http://www.maahinkainen.org/ ## http://www.effi.org/

From:	Sébastien Mengin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:03:04 GMT

Le 20-01-2005, Tero Tilus a écrit :
> Wouldn't a mailing list manager do better than plain MUA? I would
> setup ezmlm list for this kinda job. That way you also ease out the
> delivery management and archival.

Yes, you're right.
I'm studying Mailman and Eoc (http://liw.iki.fi/liw/eoc/).

Thanks everybody for your answers !
--
Sébastien

From:	Sven Guckes
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	20 Jan 2005 02:33:27 GMT

* Sébastien Mengin [2005-01-20]:
> * Hendrik Mangels :
> > 1500 individuals are interested in what you are writing...
> > Who are you, Stephen King? ;-)
>
> I'm not a writer. We are publisher (luxediteur.com,
> as mentionned in my signature of my original post...).
> And yes: we have approx 1500 contacts who
> want to get updates about our work.

ever heard about blogs and rss?
let *them* decide what and when
to fetch the news - and *how*.
email newsletters was yesterday.

Sven

From:	Sébastien Mengin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:47:05 GMT

Le 20-01-2005, Sven Guckes a écrit :
> ever heard about blogs and rss?

Yep. RSS is on the way on our website.

> let *them* decide what and when
> to fetch the news - and *how*.
> email newsletters was yesterday.

We are not here to promote new tools.

Email newsletter is, at least in the network we work in, still accurate
and efficient.

Nevertheless, you're right: would be better that they are free of what
and when... we will offer both RSS and email newsletter as soon as
possible.

Sincerely,
--
Sébastien

From:	Peter H. Coffin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:21:13 -0600

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:31:24 GMT, Sébastien Mengin wrote:
> So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing with Mutt that he
> or she would share with me?

Yes. Use a real mailing list manager. I like Mailman, personally. Users
can manage their own subscriptions with it then.

--
9. If a self-destruct mechanism is necessary, it will not be a large red button
labelled "Danger: Do Not Push". The big red button marked "Do Not Push" will
instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough to disregard it.
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord

From:	Sébastien Mengin
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:55:38 GMT

Le 19-01-2005, Peter H. Coffin a écrit :
>> So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing with Mutt that he
>> or she would share with me?
>
> Yes. Use a real mailing list manager. I like Mailman, personally. Users
> can manage their own subscriptions with it then.

I think it's what I am going to do, finaly.
Thanks for the advice.

--
Sébastien

From:	Alan Connor
Subject:	Re: Large number of recipient
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:08:14 GMT

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:31:24 GMT, Sébastien Mengin
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a list of contacts which I send updates regularly. This
> list has recently increased.
>
> In the alias section of my .muttrc I have set up a group in an
> external file :
>
> source ~/emailing/clients.txt
>
> clients.txt looks like :
>
> alias clients , \ my@client.ca, \ ...
>
> If clients.txt is too long (it is almost 1500 contacts), Mutt
> complains and returns an error at startup.
>
> Moreover (and presumably as a consequence), if I try to email
> this group of recipients, the Bcc: line ends before the list of
> recepients is complete.
>
> So, does anybody have an experience of mass emailing with Mutt
> that he or she would share with me?
>
> I have been thinking of cutting my clients.txt file into
> several smaller files, until it becomes accepted by Mutt, but I
> find it not very satisfying.
>

You could create the mail put it in a file, then do:

$SENDMAIL -t < file

If you use Mutt to compose the mail, and postpone it, remove
the

From you@yourdomain.net Wed Jan 19 17:56:09 2005

....at the top before running the command. $SENDMAIL will add
its own.

AC