Overheard:

"Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."

Whether this is good or bad depends on your biases. Remember that those
who sell short, an increase in th eprice of a stock they hold is a
bad thing.

Programming languages are apolitical (with the exception of a short lived
Berkly commentary on BSD in the 70s which went something like "There is no
wheel group in BSD because this creates a bourgeoisie set of class
distinction between users. Unix is a non-fascist operating system."

By the way, if anyone still has the original of th eabove quote, I would
love to hear from you!!

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:04:43 -0800, tgm102 wrote:

> Robert C. Martin wrote:
>
> ...[rip]...
>
>
>> This isn't a slam against Java; I think Java is very cool. But Java
> is
>> not THE answer. Nor is it an unqualified improvement over C++. It
> is
>> just another interesting language. Thats all.
>
>
> . You are correct in every way, except Java /is/ the answer and
> is an unqualified improvement over C++.
>
>
> ...[rip]...

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..................................................
I put instant coffee in a microwave and almost went back in time. -- Steven Wright

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From:	Thomas G. Marshall
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:59:03 GMT

Rod Davison coughed up:
> Overheard:
>
> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++
> has made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."

How about this instead:

[...] C is like using a sharp knife with no handle.
C++ makes the knife double sided.
Java turns it into a spoon.
C# tries to sharpen the edges of the spoon.

That's somethin', com'n from a java guy like me....

....[thwack]...

--
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From:	Dimitri Maziuk
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:22:16 +0000 (UTC)

Thomas G. Marshall sez:
> Rod Davison coughed up:
>> Overheard:
>>
>> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++
>> has made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."
>
>
> How about this instead:
>
> [...] C is like using a sharp knife with no handle.
> C++ makes the knife double sided.
> Java turns it into a spoon.

There is no spoon.

Dima
--
Tlaloc: What was Elrond's second name?
Gruber: Hubbard --

From:	P.Hill
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:58:41 -0800

Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> There is no spoon.

That's too Zen for me!

From:	Robert C. Martin
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:43:03 -0600

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:58:41 -0800, "P.Hill"
wrote:

>Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
>> There is no spoon.
>
>That's too Zen for me!

Free your mind.

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but to set a limit to infinite error."
-- Bertolt Brecht, Life of Galileo

From:	The Ghost In The Machine
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:01:33 GMT

In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Rod Davison

wrote
on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:02:34 -0500
:
> Overheard:
>
> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
> made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."

One wonders what C# did. :-)

>
> Whether this is good or bad depends on your biases. Remember that those
> who sell short, an increase in th eprice of a stock they hold is a
> bad thing.
>
> Programming languages are apolitical (with the exception of a short lived
> Berkly commentary on BSD in the 70s which went something like "There is no
> wheel group in BSD because this creates a bourgeoisie set of class
> distinction between users. Unix is a non-fascist operating system."
>
> By the way, if anyone still has the original of th eabove quote, I would
> love to hear from you!!

An odd comment considering that "root" is absolute dictator. :-)

>
> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:04:43 -0800, tgm102 wrote:
>
>> Robert C. Martin wrote:
>>
>> ...[rip]...
>>
>>
>>> This isn't a slam against Java; I think Java is very cool. But Java
>> is
>>> not THE answer. Nor is it an unqualified improvement over C++. It
>> is
>>> just another interesting language. Thats all.
>>
>>
>> . You are correct in every way, except Java /is/ the answer and
>> is an unqualified improvement over C++.
>>
>>
>> ...[rip]...
>

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It's still legal to go .sigless.

From:	Jörn W. Janneck
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:51:24 -0800

"The Ghost In The Machine" wrote in
message news:065bb2-r2f.ln1@sirius.athghost7038suus.net...
> In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Rod Davison
>
> wrote
> on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:02:34 -0500
> :
> > Overheard:
> >
> > "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
> > made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."
>
> One wonders what C# did. :-)

it took the glued knife in the sheath, sharpened part of the sheath, and
spray painted the whole thing with glitter paint. then, ms patented it.

;-)

-- j

From:	Mike Schilling
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:35:06 GMT

"The Ghost In The Machine" wrote in
message news:065bb2-r2f.ln1@sirius.athghost7038suus.net...
> In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Rod Davison
>
> wrote
> on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:02:34 -0500
> :
>> Overheard:
>>
>> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
>> made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."
>
> One wonders what C# did. :-)

Painted the sheath, which had previously been brown, light brown.

From:	Robert C. Martin
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:50:49 -0600

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:01:33 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

>In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Rod Davison
>
> wrote
>on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:02:34 -0500
>:
>> Overheard:
>>
>> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
>> made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."
>
>One wonders what C# did. :-)

Reinvented the knife, the sheath, and the glue.

-----
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Object Mentor Inc. | blog: www.butunclebob.com
The Agile Transition Experts | web: www.objectmentor.com
800-338-6716

"The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom,
but to set a limit to infinite error."
-- Bertolt Brecht, Life of Galileo

From:	The Ghost In The Machine
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:01:42 GMT

In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Robert C Martin

wrote
on Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:50:49 -0600
<5gb8u0p8h0lbtnhpdg8s84rgmu4l2v7k2c@4ax.com>:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:01:33 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
> wrote:
>
>>In comp.lang.java.advocacy, Rod Davison
>>
>> wrote
>>on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:02:34 -0500
>>:
>>> Overheard:
>>>
>>> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
>>> made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."
>>
>>One wonders what C# did. :-)
>
> Reinvented the knife, the sheath, and the glue.

Doncha mean "re-innovated"? :-)

[.sigsnip]

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It's still legal to go .sigless.

From:	Boudewijn Dijkstra
Subject:	Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake (oh puleez)
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:21:08 +0100

"Rod Davison" schreef in bericht
news:pan.2005.01.10.19.02.24.396627@rogers.remove.com...
> Overheard:
>
> "Programming with C is like using a sharp knife with no handle. C++ has
> made the knife much sharper. Java glued the knife in the sheath."

How about: Java surrounded the knife with a maze.