Hi, I'm a 25 yr web pressman who just got shoved into the PP
department after someone walked out. Been about a month now and it's
going ok...but I have an error I haven't seen before.
When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
"number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
the PDF's from this customer are like this.

Steve

From:	Lee Blevins
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:35:18 -0500

wrote:

> Hi, I'm a 25 yr web pressman who just got shoved into the PP
> department after someone walked out. Been about a month now and it's
> going ok...but I have an error I haven't seen before.
> When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
> "number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
> file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
> the PDF's from this customer are like this.
>
> Steve

That's a very vague postscript error. It could mean that the program was
expecting an integer and received a long integer or float.

I'd suggest opening the PDF in Acrabat and checking the document info
(in the file menu.)

IF the pdf version is greater than 1.3 you're probably going to have
some difficulty with this document trying to use it in Quark 4 or
sending to older rips.

This is why Acrobat 6 is going to be a very valuable tool for you.

Acrobat 6 has a PDFX1a validation tool in it.

IF the pdf doesn't conform to X1a specs you're going to have a rough
ride in commercial printing.

It's well worth investing in Acrobat 6 if you haven't already. It allows
you to preview separations and print separation as well as make and
validate PDFX1a.

If you're still using Quark 4 it's time to tell the boss to get with the
program. Move on, upgrade. Lugging around this old software and outdated
rips will only make the difficult job of taking whatever customers throw
at you even more difficult.

From:	user at home.now
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:18:52 GMT

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:58:48 GMT, user@home.now wrote:

>When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
>"number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
>file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
>the PDF's from this customer are like this.

Hurray, I managed to remove all the OPI information and was allowed to
import that PDF, hopefully it will work for all the problem pages,
thanks to Mike Powell for that tip.

I'm such a rookie at this. :)

Steve

From:	Mike Powell
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	08 Jan 2005 03:10:50 GMT

user@home.now wrote in news:fjdtt0hapcefvlgiir6n00vd6tfaa5a99n@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:58:48 GMT, user@home.now wrote:
>
>>When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
>>"number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
>>file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
>>the PDF's from this customer are like this.
>
> Hurray, I managed to remove all the OPI information and was allowed to
> import that PDF, hopefully it will work for all the problem pages,
> thanks to Mike Powell for that tip.
>

Glad to be able to help.

I just posted another message in response to your previous post before I
read this one. This message makes my other post redundant.

BTW: I'm also a pressman who made the jump to prepress.

Regards

Mike

From:	Dragons Fire
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:20:38 GMT

In article <5lqst0p7tm43kgj6mleltgk4lsir47bivv@4ax.com>,
wrote:

> Hi, I'm a 25 yr web pressman who just got shoved into the PP
> department after someone walked out. Been about a month now and it's
> going ok...but I have an error I haven't seen before.
> When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
> "number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
> file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
> the PDF's from this customer are like this.
>
> Steve

I've had PDFs with the same problem and through 'trial and error'
within acrobat have been able to identify that it was a blank object
that was the entire size of the PDF.

By clicking and dragging around the entire page with the 'touchup
object tool' you can determine if you have one of these objects within
your PDF.

After the corrupt object is gone you should be able to 'export to EPS.

And if you really want to know which object is giving you the problem,
go into acrobat and start deleting one object at a time and attempt to
export it to EPS. As soon as you get it to work you know the last
object you deleted was the culprit.

It's a crude method, but it works alot better than having to make 'tif'
files of a PDF.

Best regards,
Dfire

From:	Dennis Gordon
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:36:52 GMT

If you're really desperate to run the job, you can save the PDF out as a 600
dpi TIF and place that. Not an elegant solution, but it'll work usually...

wrote in message
news:5lqst0p7tm43kgj6mleltgk4lsir47bivv@4ax.com...
> Hi, I'm a 25 yr web pressman who just got shoved into the PP
> department after someone walked out. Been about a month now and it's
> going ok...but I have an error I haven't seen before.
> When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
> "number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
> file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
> the PDF's from this customer are like this.
>
> Steve

From:	Mike Powell
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	07 Jan 2005 11:06:27 GMT

user@home.now wrote in news:5lqst0p7tm43kgj6mleltgk4lsir47bivv@4ax.com:

> Hi, I'm a 25 yr web pressman who just got shoved into the PP
> department after someone walked out. Been about a month now and it's
> going ok...but I have an error I haven't seen before.
> When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
> "number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
> file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
> the PDF's from this customer are like this.
>
> Steve
>

Check for OPI comments in the PDFs

Regards

Mike

From:	user at home.now
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:51:57 GMT

On 07 Jan 2005 11:06:27 GMT, Mike Powell
wrote:

>> When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
>> "number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
>> file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
>> the PDF's from this customer are like this.

>Check for OPI comments in the PDFs

I'll try and respond to all the responses so far...thanks BTW.

Pitstop Inspector says there is no OPI information.
Pitstop Preflight gives me 8 pages of OPI information.

The PDF is version 1.3.

From what I've managed to read in this group so far it seems that a
PDF workflow like ours is basically crappy, but it's all I've got
right now, maybe showing the bossman some of these messages will help
me out ;)

I've saved to TIFF on other occasions, mostly on black pages only
though, 600 dpi makes it kinda rough looking even for us coldset web
guys....rather not resort to that on the color/cover pages. 1200 dpi
just takes forever.

Steve

From:	Mike Powell
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	08 Jan 2005 03:06:48 GMT

user@home.now wrote in news:mibtt0d2gd8lv6nc4q4j36ifdopt8hasmh@4ax.com:

> On 07 Jan 2005 11:06:27 GMT, Mike Powell
> wrote:
>
>
>>> When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it, it says
>>> "number out of range" tried to output it from Acrobat as an EPS or PS
>>> file to redistill it, but it gives me the same error. About half of
>>> the PDF's from this customer are like this.
>
>
>>Check for OPI comments in the PDFs
>
> I'll try and respond to all the responses so far...thanks BTW.
>
> Pitstop Inspector says there is no OPI information.
> Pitstop Preflight gives me 8 pages of OPI information.
>

Use a Pitstop Action to remove the OPI comments, then try the file again.

The existence of OPI comments does not preclude the inclusion of the high
res data.

Regards

Mike

From:	Aandi Inston
Subject:	Re: PDF to postscript error. Number out of range.
Date:	Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:03:25 GMT

user@home.now wrote:

>Hi, I'm a 25 yr web pressman who just got shoved into the PP
>department after someone walked out. Been about a month now and it's
>going ok...but I have an error I haven't seen before.
>When trying to use a PDF in Quark 4.1 to inposition it

You don't have any proper imposition tools lurking around the
department? Using XPress for imposition of PDFs has a "last resort"
air to it...
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