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 | | From: | Andrew Schoenfeld | | Subject: | Indesign Scaling | | Date: | Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:03:14 -0500 |
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 | I'm wondering if anyone has had to deal with this...
In my shop, (as in others I'm sure) we occasionally have to "strip" images
into documents supplied to us by our clients where they have FPO images in
place. In Quark, this involved duplicating the picture box, importing the
correct hi-res image, then scaling and rotating it until it was aligned with
the image in the box below it. When it was as close as possible, the image
is copied from the top box, pasted into the back box, and the top box is
deleted. As I'm sure some of you know, after you do this a couple thousand
times, it becomes pretty quick and easy.
A similar procedure works in
InDesign as well, once you get used to the differences between the selection
tool and the direct selection tool. However, Indesign allows for a kind of
"double scaling", wherein the content frame can have a scale factor AND the
content itself can have an additional scaling factor, with the final scale
of the image being the product of the two. For instance, if a frame has a
scale of 50% and the image ALSO has a scale of 50%, the image is actually
placed at 25%. The problem comes in when I duplicate a client's box and try
to scale my hi-res image in the box - if I enter a numerical value in the
percentage field when I have the content selected, that value automatically
gets multiplied by the frame scale, which results in the wrong scale. For
the example above, its easy to do the math in your head, but when the frame
is scaled to 67% and I am trying to tweak the content by tenths of a
percent, it becomes impossible. The only work-around I've come up with is to
make an entirely new frame (exactly on top of the client's box, same size)
with a scale of 100%, and then work from there. It works, but it is time
consuming.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have any advice for me? Do you
have this problem as well?
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| | From: | Eric Gill | | Subject: | Re: Indesign Scaling | | Date: | Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:28:17 GMT |
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| Andrew Schoenfeld wrote in
news:BE047F62.A90%andy@urbanstudionyc.com:
> Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have any advice for me? Do
> you have this problem as well?
No.
Select "Reset scaling to 100% to get rid of any scaling factor on the
frame. (Flyout on the Transform palette, or you can assign a keyboard
shortcut).
And get used to using the direct select tool to do the scaling, moving, and
rotation. Save yourself a bunch of headache and time.
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| | From: | M Black | | Subject: | Re: Indesign Scaling | | Date: | Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:15:04 +0000 |
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| Andrew Schoenfeld wrote:
> I'm wondering if anyone has had to deal with this...
>
> In my shop, (as in others I'm sure) we occasionally have to "strip" images
> into documents supplied to us by our clients where they have FPO images in
> place. In Quark, this involved duplicating the picture box, importing the
> correct hi-res image, then scaling and rotating it until it was aligned with
> the image in the box below it. When it was as close as possible, the image
> is copied from the top box, pasted into the back box, and the top box is
> deleted. As I'm sure some of you know, after you do this a couple thousand
> times, it becomes pretty quick and easy.
>
> A similar procedure works in
> InDesign as well, once you get used to the differences between the selection
> tool and the direct selection tool. However, Indesign allows for a kind of
> "double scaling", wherein the content frame can have a scale factor AND the
> content itself can have an additional scaling factor, with the final scale
> of the image being the product of the two. For instance, if a frame has a
> scale of 50% and the image ALSO has a scale of 50%, the image is actually
> placed at 25%. The problem comes in when I duplicate a client's box and try
> to scale my hi-res image in the box - if I enter a numerical value in the
> percentage field when I have the content selected, that value automatically
> gets multiplied by the frame scale, which results in the wrong scale. For
> the example above, its easy to do the math in your head, but when the frame
> is scaled to 67% and I am trying to tweak the content by tenths of a
> percent, it becomes impossible. The only work-around I've come up with is to
> make an entirely new frame (exactly on top of the client's box, same size)
> with a scale of 100%, and then work from there. It works, but it is time
> consuming.
> Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have any advice for me? Do you
> have this problem as well?
You are supposed to be able to turn off the "scale content" in the
Object/Scale box. it doesn't work - at least in version 2.02 (Mac system
9.2).
Create a picture frame.
Make sure the "scale content" box is unchecked.
Do all the following in the Transform palette (not the dialog box).
Scale it by 50%. Place a picture in it. The picture gets placed at 50%.
Scale the picture only to 75%.
The box remains at 50%. The picture is now 75%.
Now scale the box to 150%. You will find that the box is at 150% but the
picture is now at 225%.
I think what's happened here is that the box has been scaled by a factor
of 3 (50% to 150%) so the picture is scaled by a factor of 3.
So it seems you can scale the content independently, but not the box. So
unchecing the "scale content" box in the Object/transform/scale dialog
has no effect. I'm using version 2.02. Perhaps this has been fixed.
The other confusing thing is that when you use the transform palette you
see that the picture has already been scaled to 50%. If you now type 75%
instead of 50% you get a picture scaled to 75%.
If, however, you do it in the Object/transform/scale dialog box, first
scaling to 50% and then scaling to 75%, you end up having scaled it to
37.5%. This is because the dialog box starts each scaling job at 100%,
regardless of what has happened before. 37.5 is 75% of 50.
It may be something like this that you're finding. Personally I find it
confusing to have the dialog and the palette working differently.
Useful, I suppose, but confusing. And unchecking the "scale content"
just doesn't work. Has it been fixed?
Maire Black
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