Typed this up for posting to Typo-L at work, but thought people here might get
a kick out of it.

For various reasons we've wound up w/ Quark XPress 6 here at work, and picked
up David Blatner's book on it. Aside from having to get a new copy of the book
'cause the index in the first printing was messed up, I found the following
things typographically objectionable:

p.v - third and fourth lines from the bottom breaks
``...11
PM...'' (w/ PM as small caps)

p.8 - end of ``Mini Improvements'' bullet list breaks
``...DeviceN col-
or (page 697).''

p.8 - next paragraph breaks
``...If you use any third-par-
ty XTensions,...''

p. 11 - middle of text breaks
``...for over 15
years and...''

p. 59 - middle of page breaks
``...because we did-
n't save frequently enough....''

p.61 - upper middle of page --- same thing
``...XPress 5 did-
n't let you link...''

pg.63 ``Tip: Fill 'Er Up with Backups'' --- the ' is a left quote, not an
apostrophe / right quote

pg.77 - bottom of page. Ends one sentence, starts another one leaving only
``... on things. I'' on pg. 77 continuing with
``wish there were even more menus,...'' on pg. 79

p.85 - upper middle of page
``...(at 72
ppi, you can zoom....''

p.85 hyphen at bottom of page
``...jump to a differ-
``ent page....'' (on page 86)

Same thing happens on pg. 87/88 for the word ``extend-ed''

pg.86 - second paragraph --- there's a _three_ word stack on the right column
`` ...add the
....simply the
.... in the''

pg. 129 - two word stack of
``... I
.... I''

There were more two-word stacks than I would care to count.

pg. 131 - hyphen at end of page
``...like the posi-
....ition of the text...'' (page 132)

All of the above is especially reprehensible in light of pg.363 where
hyphenation and justification is discussed and the author says,
``(The New York Times breaks ``doesn't'' after the ``s,'' but it's a newspaper,
after all.)''

(should there be a comma in with that ``s''? Wouldn't it've been better to've
set that as an italic _s_?)

(and the author _still_ hasn't figured out how Pantone colour numbers are
derived---guess he never worked in a print shop mixing ink)

William

--
William Adams
http://members.aol.com/willadams
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

From:	Mac Townsend
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:30:04 -0000

I don't know if PeachPit Press (Publisher of the Real World series) has
started outsourcing composition to India. I do know that McGraw-Hill
Osborne fired their entire in-house composition team and sent all the
work to India.

In <20050121154623.11909.00000136@mb-m03.aol.com> William F. Adams wrote:
> Typed this up for posting to Typo-L at work, but thought people here
> might get a kick out of it.
>
> For various reasons we've wound up w/ Quark XPress 6 here at work, and
> picked up David Blatner's book on it. Aside from having to get a new
> copy of the book 'cause the index in the first printing was messed up,
> I found the following things typographically objectionable:
>
> p.v - third and fourth lines from the bottom breaks
> ``...11
> PM...'' (w/ PM as small caps)
>
> p.8 - end of ``Mini Improvements'' bullet list breaks
> ``...DeviceN col-
> or (page 697).''
>
> p.8 - next paragraph breaks
> ``...If you use any third-par-
> ty XTensions,...''
>
> p. 11 - middle of text breaks
> ``...for over 15
> years and...''
>
> p. 59 - middle of page breaks
> ``...because we did-
> n't save frequently enough....''
>
> p.61 - upper middle of page --- same thing
> ``...XPress 5 did-
> n't let you link...''
>
> pg.63 ``Tip: Fill 'Er Up with Backups'' --- the ' is a left quote, not
> an apostrophe / right quote
>
> pg.77 - bottom of page. Ends one sentence, starts another one leaving
> only ``... on things. I'' on pg. 77 continuing with ``wish there
> were even more menus,...'' on pg. 79
>
> p.85 - upper middle of page
> ``...(at 72
> ppi, you can zoom....''
>
> p.85 hyphen at bottom of page
> ``...jump to a differ-
> ``ent page....'' (on page 86)
>
> Same thing happens on pg. 87/88 for the word ``extend-ed''
>
> pg.86 - second paragraph --- there's a _three_ word stack on the right
> column `` ...add the ....simply the .... in the''
>
> pg. 129 - two word stack of
> ``... I
> .... I''
>
> There were more two-word stacks than I would care to count.
>
> pg. 131 - hyphen at end of page
> ``...like the posi-
> ....ition of the text...'' (page 132)
>
> All of the above is especially reprehensible in light of pg.363 where
> hyphenation and justification is discussed and the author says,
> ``(The New York Times breaks ``doesn't'' after the ``s,'' but it's a
> newspaper, after all.)''
>
> (should there be a comma in with that ``s''? Wouldn't it've been
> better to've set that as an italic _s_?)
>
> (and the author _still_ hasn't figured out how Pantone colour numbers
> are derived---guess he never worked in a print shop mixing ink)
>
> William
>
>

From:	William F. Adams
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	21 Jan 2005 23:26:19 GMT

mactno said:
>I don't know if PeachPit Press (Publisher of the Real World series) has
>started outsourcing composition to India.

I would assume that this book on Quark XPress was typeset in Quark by the
author---I believe the colophon says as much, but I didn't get that far.

William

--
William Adams
http://members.aol.com/willadams
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

From:	Ted
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:03:25 -0500

> >I don't know if PeachPit Press (Publisher of the Real World series) has
> >started outsourcing composition to India.
>
> I would assume that this book on Quark XPress was typeset in Quark by the
> author---I believe the colophon says as much, but I didn't get that far.
>
Don't assume that, I doubt he had time to do that with all the conferences,
lectures and book writing he does.

Ted

From:	Jono Moore
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:51:07 GMT

William F. Adams wrote:

> (and the author _still_ hasn't figured out how Pantone colour numbers are
> derived---guess he never worked in a print shop mixing ink)

The colour number; 032, 072, etc? I always figured it was just the order
they made them in or something like that. It's just a number. But who
knows, there may be some arcane reasoning behind it.

From:	John Culleton
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:20:21 -0500

William F. Adams wrote:

>
> (and the author _still_ hasn't figured out how Pantone colour numbers are
> derived---guess he never worked in a print shop mixing ink)
>
> William
>
>

Nor have I. So how are they derived? Edumicate me please.
--
John Culleton
Able Indexers and Typesetters

From:	John Doherty
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:00:15 -0600

In article <20050121154623.11909.00000136@mb-m03.aol.com>,
willadams@aol.com (William F. Adams) wrote:

> All of the above is especially reprehensible in light of pg.363 where
> hyphenation and justification is discussed and the author says,
> ``(The New York Times breaks ``doesn't'' after the ``s,'' but it's a
> newspaper, after all.)''

> (should there be a comma in with that ``s''? Wouldn't it've been better to've
> set that as an italic _s_?)

Don't know about that, but I'd be willing to bet the NYT doesn't make
that word break as a matter of policy. He may have seen it once, but if
so, I'll bet it was just a mistake.

--

From:	William F. Adams
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	21 Jan 2005 23:28:36 GMT

jdoherty said:
(re: NYT H&J and breaking ``does-n't'')
>Don't know about that, but I'd be willing to bet the NYT doesn't make
>that word break as a matter of policy. He may have seen it once, but if
>so, I'll bet it was just a mistake.

Agreed. It just struck me as a case of people in glass houses and all that
given the two breakings of ``did-n't'' which I found before I tired of looking.

William

--
William Adams
http://members.aol.com/willadams
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

From:	John Doherty
Subject:	Re: Real World QuarkXPress 6 typographic foibles
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:32:04 -0600

In article <20050121182836.27405.00000169@mb-m17.aol.com>, William F.
Adams wrote:

> jdoherty said:
> (re: NYT H&J and breaking ``does-n't'')

>> Don't know about that, but I'd be willing to bet the NYT doesn't
>> make that word break as a matter of policy. He may have seen it
>> once, but if so, I'll bet it was just a mistake.

> Agreed. It just struck me as a case of people in glass houses and
> all that given the two breakings of ``did-n't'' which I found before
> I tired of looking.

Oh, yeah -- and from your examples, it sounds like that guy lives in a
house made of very thin glass. :-)

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