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Basic Question about creating PDF files

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Ed Lake
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John Doherty
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Ed Lake
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Ed Lake
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Ed Lake
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Ed Lake
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John Doherty
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600
I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.

I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.

Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
that says,

"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
print to a file."

Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
follows:

"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Mac Townsend
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:30:01 -0000
Use the "winsteng" driver from adobe

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=44&
platform=Windows

when you run it you'll be asked for a ppd to use. use the generic
postscript printer that is included. When you get to the part of how to
connect it, that's when you select file.
From:Aandi Inston
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:11:44 GMT
Mac Townsend wrote:

>Use the "winsteng" driver from adobe
>
>http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=44&
>platform=Windows

That kind of confirms my point.
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From:Stuarrt B. Henlis
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:48:31 GMT

"Ed Lake" wrote in message
news:sdSdnfRw4qNPE2_cRVn-tw@giganews.com...
>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the cover),
>but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>
> I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
> looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I EXPORT
> a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>
> Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message that
> says,
>
> "To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
> print to a file."
>
> Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I can't
> find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as follows:
>
> "Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
> Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
> printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:39:12 -0600
Stuarrt B. Henlis wrote:

> "Ed Lake" wrote in message
> news:sdSdnfRw4qNPE2_cRVn-tw@giganews.com...
>
>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the cover),
>>but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>
>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I EXPORT
>>a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>
>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message that
>>says,
>>
>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>print to a file."
>>
>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I can't
>>find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as follows:
>>
>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:John Doherty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:58:18 -0600
In article , Ed Lake wrote:

> I'd assumed that Quark Xpress would include the necessary software
> to create .pdf files.

It does. It sounds as if your stumbling block is getting a PostScript
"printer" (a logical printer, that is, not a physical one) configured
on Windows.

Earlier, you said:

> "Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start
> -> Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of
> the printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer > printer> -> Properties -> Details -> Print to the following port ->
> FILE)."

> Unfortunately, When I get to the last step, I can't stop there. The
> Windows XP software then asks me to choose a printer manufacturer
> and a printer model.

Right. I don't use QXP on Windows, but I would think that the Jaws
software bundled with QXP6 includes a driver you can select at that
point, and that would be the best choice. You might be able to get by
with choosing some more or less generic model (e.g., Apple
LaserWriter), but you won't get support for custom paper sizes and
other niceties.

So when you get to that point, click "Have disk...", pop in the QXP
installation CD, poke around, and see what you can find. Or at least,
that's what I'd do.

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From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:24:51 -0600
John Doherty wrote:

> In article , Ed Lake wrote:
>
>
>>I'd assumed that Quark Xpress would include the necessary software
>>to create .pdf files.
>
>
> It does. It sounds as if your stumbling block is getting a PostScript
> "printer" (a logical printer, that is, not a physical one) configured
> on Windows.
>
> Earlier, you said:
>
>
>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start
>>-> Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of
>>the printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer >>printer> -> Properties -> Details -> Print to the following port ->
>>FILE)."
>
>
>>Unfortunately, When I get to the last step, I can't stop there. The
>>Windows XP software then asks me to choose a printer manufacturer
>>and a printer model.
>
>
> Right. I don't use QXP on Windows, but I would think that the Jaws
> software bundled with QXP6 includes a driver you can select at that
> point, and that would be the best choice. You might be able to get by
> with choosing some more or less generic model (e.g., Apple
> LaserWriter), but you won't get support for custom paper sizes and
> other niceties.
>
> So when you get to that point, click "Have disk...", pop in the QXP
> installation CD, poke around, and see what you can find. Or at least,
> that's what I'd do.
>
> --
>
>
Quark says I have to assign "DeviceN" to create .pdf files. I did that.
But I may have screwed up something. When I set up the new printer,
it asked me to give it a name, and I called it "Quark". Maybe I have to
call it "DeviceN". I'll give that a try.

It could be some silly problem like that.

Thanks.

Ed
From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:10:05 -0500
In article <1333321.cxEdSL455g@dupree.null.not>,
John Doherty wrote:

> In article , Ed Lake wrote:
>
> > I'd assumed that Quark Xpress would include the necessary software
> > to create .pdf files.
>
> It does. It sounds as if your stumbling block is getting a PostScript
> "printer" (a logical printer, that is, not a physical one) configured
> on Windows.
>
> Earlier, you said:
>
> > "Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start
> > -> Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of
> > the printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer > > printer> -> Properties -> Details -> Print to the following port ->
> > FILE)."
>
> > Unfortunately, When I get to the last step, I can't stop there. The
> > Windows XP software then asks me to choose a printer manufacturer
> > and a printer model.
>
> Right. I don't use QXP on Windows, but I would think that the Jaws
> software bundled with QXP6 includes a driver you can select at that
> point, and that would be the best choice. You might be able to get by
> with choosing some more or less generic model (e.g., Apple
> LaserWriter), but you won't get support for custom paper sizes and
> other niceties.
>
> So when you get to that point, click "Have disk...", pop in the QXP
> installation CD, poke around, and see what you can find. Or at least,
> that's what I'd do.
>
> --


Has anyone asked Ed if he's read the documentation for Quark for all of
this?
From:John Doherty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:12:03 -0600
In article , Elmo
P. Shagnasty wrote:

> Has anyone asked Ed if he's read the documentation for Quark for all
> of this?

He said he's read some documentation, but he's new at all this. Sounds
like he'll get it figured out, though.

--
From:Mac Townsend
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:27:14 -0000
"little incomplete" is not precisely the term I'd use. But it is
probably more polite than my choice.


Aandi Inston wrote:
> However, a pre-press shop without Acrobat Professional seems a little
> incomplete..
From:The_Victor
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:12:57 -0500
Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
" Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.

As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.

They are located at:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
click away.

Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
it, I'll be happy to post it.


On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
wrote:

>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>
>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>
>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>that says,
>
>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>print to a file."
>
>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>follows:
>
>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600
I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
(I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)

I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".

All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
assumed that Quark would create something better or different.

Thanks.

Ed


The_Victor wrote:

> Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
> " Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
> the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
> the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
> doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
> a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>
> As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
> a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
> Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>
> They are located at:
> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
> A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
> Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
> dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
> trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
> its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
> with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
> click away.
>
> Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
> it, I'll be happy to post it.
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
> wrote:
>
>
>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>
>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>
>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>that says,
>>
>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>print to a file."
>>
>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>follows:
>>
>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:09:03 -0500
In article ,
Ed Lake wrote:

> I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
> from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
> release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".

Let's think about this: if your book printer does NOT want your
original Quark files, then why does he recommend that you use Quark?

If your book printer does NOT want your original Quark files, then why
would you listen to him when he says to use Quark?

If all he wants is PDF files, then you spent a HUGE amount of money for
Quark--all for nothing. Because if he wants a PDF, he really doesn't
give a rat's ass what you typeset the book with.
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:43:52 -0600
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article ,
> Ed Lake wrote:
>
>
>>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".
>
>
> Let's think about this: if your book printer does NOT want your
> original Quark files, then why does he recommend that you use Quark?
>
> If your book printer does NOT want your original Quark files, then why
> would you listen to him when he says to use Quark?
>
> If all he wants is PDF files, then you spent a HUGE amount of money for
> Quark--all for nothing. Because if he wants a PDF, he really doesn't
> give a rat's ass what you typeset the book with.
>

Technically, I haven't yet picked a Book Manufacturer. I talked with
some local printers, and I checked over the web sites for a half dozen
Book Manufacturers, and I talked with one of them, they all seem to
consider Quark Xpress to be the standard.

I wrote my book with WORD and printed .pdf files from that. But there
were font problems and other problems when I created the .pdf files.
Garamond seems to be different on Windows XP than on Windows 98. There
may be some way around it, but I just bought Quark Xpress and converted.

I'm on Quark Xpress now, so there's no point in saying there's some way
I could have done it with WORD. The money is spent, and it's all
typeset on Quark. There's no going back. Everything looks great no
matter where I print it. I just want to create the .pdf files the right
way. I'm not a techie, so I'm worried about problems that may not
really exist.

On Monday, I'll call the most likely Book Manufacturer that I'll be
using, and maybe they can answer the questions.

My biggest problem may be a fear of getting into a situation that will
delay my book for weeks or months. It may be a problem that doesn't
really exist.

Thanks.

Ed
From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:34:43 -0500
In article ,
Ed Lake wrote:

> Technically, I haven't yet picked a Book Manufacturer. I talked with
> some local printers, and I checked over the web sites for a half dozen
> Book Manufacturers, and I talked with one of them, they all seem to
> consider Quark Xpress to be the standard.

For what THEY do. You don't do what THEY do.



> I wrote my book with WORD and printed .pdf files from that. But there
> were font problems and other problems when I created the .pdf files.

That had nothing to do with Word, trust me.




> On Monday, I'll call the most likely Book Manufacturer that I'll be
> using, and maybe they can answer the questions.

You need their process for making PDF files that they will accept. Each
printer has his own process. Generally it involves Adobe Acrobat, the
Distiller component, and that printer's specific job options settings
file.

But since you did go the Quark route, you've eliminated most, if not
all, the objections just about any printer could raise concering you
giving them source files. They should all happily take your Quark files
as is, with no effort.
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:20:40 -0600
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article ,
> Ed Lake wrote:
>
>
>>Technically, I haven't yet picked a Book Manufacturer. I talked with
>>some local printers, and I checked over the web sites for a half dozen
>>Book Manufacturers, and I talked with one of them, they all seem to
>>consider Quark Xpress to be the standard.
>
>
> For what THEY do. You don't do what THEY do.
>

But I AM doing what they do. I'm typesetting a book. One thing I
noticed about WORD vs Quark is that Quark compensates for the "gutter"
(i.e., the thin strip where the pages are glued together). It also
makes certain the "gutter" is on the right on even numbered pages and on
the left on odd numbered pages. WORD doesn't have any such capability,
as far as I can tell.

I also had a real problem creating page numbers of this type: i, ii,
iii, iv, v, etc. and not printing a number on the first page. There
were all sorts of problems with WORD that go away with Quark, although
with Quark a lot of it is done by hand and not automatically (or if it
can be done automatically, I didn't find out how to do it before I
finished the book.)

I'll try again tomorrow morning to use Quark to create a .pdf file. I
have an idea what the problem may be. I'll report back after I've given
it a try.

Thanks.

Ed


>
>
>
>>I wrote my book with WORD and printed .pdf files from that. But there
>>were font problems and other problems when I created the .pdf files.
>
>
> That had nothing to do with Word, trust me.
>
>
>
>
>
>>On Monday, I'll call the most likely Book Manufacturer that I'll be
>>using, and maybe they can answer the questions.
>
>
> You need their process for making PDF files that they will accept. Each
> printer has his own process. Generally it involves Adobe Acrobat, the
> Distiller component, and that printer's specific job options settings
> file.
>
> But since you did go the Quark route, you've eliminated most, if not
> all, the objections just about any printer could raise concering you
> giving them source files. They should all happily take your Quark files
> as is, with no effort.
>
From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:07:01 -0500
In article ,
Ed Lake wrote:

> > For what THEY do. You don't do what THEY do.
> >
>
> But I AM doing what they do. I'm typesetting a book.

Ummmm....quite frankly, you're doing a very small subset of what they do.




> One thing I
> noticed about WORD vs Quark is that Quark compensates for the "gutter"
> (i.e., the thin strip where the pages are glued together). It also
> makes certain the "gutter" is on the right on even numbered pages and on
> the left on odd numbered pages. WORD doesn't have any such capability,
> as far as I can tell.

Yes, it does. As someone once said (very recently), you can do anything
in Word. However, you can't do anything easily in Word...
From:Aandi Inston
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:10:12 GMT
Ed Lake wrote:

>I also had a real problem creating page numbers of this type: i, ii,
>iii, iv, v, etc. and not printing a number on the first page. There
>were all sorts of problems with WORD that go away with Quark, although
>with Quark a lot of it is done by hand and not automatically (or if it
>can be done automatically, I didn't find out how to do it before I
>finished the book.

Most shops build up a large collection of Quark "XTensions",
commercial products to automate the tasks that they need to do often.
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From:John Doherty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:58:11 -0600
In article , Elmo
P. Shagnasty wrote:

> You need their process for making PDF files that they will accept.
> Each printer has his own process. Generally it involves Adobe
> Acrobat, the Distiller component, and that printer's specific job
> options settings file.

FWIW, I don't find that to be true. We ship PDF files for hundreds of
books every year, and we make them all the same way, no matter who
the printer is. Sometimes we don't even know who the printer will be
when we make the PDF. Doesn't matter -- we'd do the same thing anyway
and it all works just fine.

> But since you did go the Quark route, you've eliminated most, if not
> all, the objections just about any printer could raise concering you
> giving them source files. They should all happily take your Quark
> files as is, with no effort.

They might charge him more.

--
From:The_Victor
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:18:23 -0500
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:09:03 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
wrote:

>If all he wants is PDF files, then you spent a HUGE amount of money for
>Quark--all for nothing. Because if he wants a PDF, he really doesn't
>give a rat's ass what you typeset the book with.

Ahh, not so. Try typesetting a book with MS Word. Anyone will find
a higer appreciation as well as monetary compensation for a real
layout utility.
From:The_Victor
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:18:27 -0500
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600, Ed Lake
wrote:

>I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
>don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
> (I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)

Post script files are simple ASCII text documents that define a page
to a printer. You can make them with anything. I actually program
some of them by hand

As for the Textronic, not all printers are postscript printers.
Having the Textronic description in your "print to file" printer will
ensure that you're producing an appropreate .ps.

Earlier I didn't see that you already have an HP laser, and that
should be sufficient for a .ps file. if you want an accurate match in
page desctiption from your printed Hp document to your PS file, I
would simply duplicate your HP printer and set the copy to Print To
File and use that to generate a .ps file.

I've looked up PrimoPDF and if your able to launch it, you should be
able to browse to the .ps file that you made and Primo should take
care of the rest.

>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".

If your output is a PDF, it should be fine as long as your fonts are
embedded. If not, simply supply the fonts with your PDF to your
service provider. Without Acrobat, you'll have to check the fonts
you use to see if embedding is allowed because many PC TrueType fonts
do not allow embedding. Right click, open Properties and check the
embedding tab.

>All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
>provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
>files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
>assumed that Quark would create something better or different.

PDF is a standard created by Adobe, not Quark, so you won't get a
better result with the export feature. It is only there for a matter
of convienence.

As for self publishing most printhouses will use "digital printers"
AKA fast copiers not a real press. As long as you use a decent stock
paper, no one outside of the industry will really notice the
difference.

>Thanks.
>
>Ed
>
>
>The_Victor wrote:
>
>> Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
>> " Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
>> the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
>> the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
>> doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
>> a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>>
>> As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
>> a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
>> Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>>
>> They are located at:
>> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
>> A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
>> Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
>> dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
>> trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
>> its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
>> with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
>> click away.
>>
>> Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
>> it, I'll be happy to post it.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>>
>>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>>
>>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>>that says,
>>>
>>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>>print to a file."
>>>
>>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>>follows:
>>>
>>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0600
Thanks. Check my other responses. I included a link to a .pdf file of
my Chapter 6. That might explain things better.

Ed


The_Victor wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600, Ed Lake
> wrote:
>
>
>>I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
>>don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
>> (I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)
>
>
> Post script files are simple ASCII text documents that define a page
> to a printer. You can make them with anything. I actually program
> some of them by hand
>
> As for the Textronic, not all printers are postscript printers.
> Having the Textronic description in your "print to file" printer will
> ensure that you're producing an appropreate .ps.
>
> Earlier I didn't see that you already have an HP laser, and that
> should be sufficient for a .ps file. if you want an accurate match in
> page desctiption from your printed Hp document to your PS file, I
> would simply duplicate your HP printer and set the copy to Print To
> File and use that to generate a .ps file.
>
> I've looked up PrimoPDF and if your able to launch it, you should be
> able to browse to the .ps file that you made and Primo should take
> care of the rest.
>
>
>>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>
>>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>
>>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".
>
>
> If your output is a PDF, it should be fine as long as your fonts are
> embedded. If not, simply supply the fonts with your PDF to your
> service provider. Without Acrobat, you'll have to check the fonts
> you use to see if embedding is allowed because many PC TrueType fonts
> do not allow embedding. Right click, open Properties and check the
> embedding tab.
>
>
>>All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
>>provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
>>files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
>>assumed that Quark would create something better or different.
>
>
> PDF is a standard created by Adobe, not Quark, so you won't get a
> better result with the export feature. It is only there for a matter
> of convienence.
>
> As for self publishing most printhouses will use "digital printers"
> AKA fast copiers not a real press. As long as you use a decent stock
> paper, no one outside of the industry will really notice the
> difference.
>
>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>The_Victor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
>>>" Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
>>>the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
>>>the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
>>>doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
>>>a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>>>
>>>As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
>>>a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
>>>Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>>>
>>>They are located at:
>>>http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
>>>A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
>>>Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
>>>dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
>>>trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
>>>its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
>>>with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
>>>click away.
>>>
>>>Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
>>>it, I'll be happy to post it.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>>>
>>>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>>>
>>>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>>>that says,
>>>>
>>>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>>>print to a file."
>>>>
>>>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>>>follows:
>>>>
>>>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:The_Victor
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:47:08 -0500
Looks good and passes the pre-flight, though it is jammed in the upper
left corner. The only reason that would be a problem is because
Postscript reads a page definition from the lower left corner.

You should check with your printer. Some prefer a PDf at actual size
because thier software takes care of the rest, some want crops
centered in the middle of a page, especially if you have bleeds(which,
based on 1 chapter, it looks like you don't). Some also don't care
and some will want the source files.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0600, Ed Lake
wrote:

>Thanks. Check my other responses. I included a link to a .pdf file of
>my Chapter 6. That might explain things better.
>
>Ed
>
>
>The_Victor wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600, Ed Lake
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
>>>don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
>>> (I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)
>>
>>
>> Post script files are simple ASCII text documents that define a page
>> to a printer. You can make them with anything. I actually program
>> some of them by hand
>>
>> As for the Textronic, not all printers are postscript printers.
>> Having the Textronic description in your "print to file" printer will
>> ensure that you're producing an appropreate .ps.
>>
>> Earlier I didn't see that you already have an HP laser, and that
>> should be sufficient for a .ps file. if you want an accurate match in
>> page desctiption from your printed Hp document to your PS file, I
>> would simply duplicate your HP printer and set the copy to Print To
>> File and use that to generate a .ps file.
>>
>> I've looked up PrimoPDF and if your able to launch it, you should be
>> able to browse to the .ps file that you made and Primo should take
>> care of the rest.
>>
>>
>>>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>>
>>>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>>
>>>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".
>>
>>
>> If your output is a PDF, it should be fine as long as your fonts are
>> embedded. If not, simply supply the fonts with your PDF to your
>> service provider. Without Acrobat, you'll have to check the fonts
>> you use to see if embedding is allowed because many PC TrueType fonts
>> do not allow embedding. Right click, open Properties and check the
>> embedding tab.
>>
>>
>>>All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
>>>provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
>>>files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
>>>assumed that Quark would create something better or different.
>>
>>
>> PDF is a standard created by Adobe, not Quark, so you won't get a
>> better result with the export feature. It is only there for a matter
>> of convienence.
>>
>> As for self publishing most printhouses will use "digital printers"
>> AKA fast copiers not a real press. As long as you use a decent stock
>> paper, no one outside of the industry will really notice the
>> difference.
>>
>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>The_Victor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
>>>>" Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
>>>>the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
>>>>the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
>>>>doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
>>>>a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>>>>
>>>>As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
>>>>a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
>>>>Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>>>>
>>>>They are located at:
>>>>http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
>>>>A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
>>>>Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
>>>>dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
>>>>trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
>>>>its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
>>>>with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
>>>>click away.
>>>>
>>>>Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
>>>>it, I'll be happy to post it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>>>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>>>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>>>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>>>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>>>>that says,
>>>>>
>>>>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>>>>print to a file."
>>>>>
>>>>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>>>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>>>>follows:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>>>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>>>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:32:07 -0600
It's a 9x6 paperback. The printing is the right size. But maybe the
..pdf file should show 9x6 images and not 8-1/2x11 images? I don't know
if there's any option on PrimoPDF to change the size of the output. I
think it assumes it's going to be printed on a printer.

But, you're right. I'll have to check with my Book Manufacturer to see
if I truly have a problem or not. And, if I have a problem, whether
they can help me with it or not.

Thanks.

Ed


The_Victor wrote:

> Looks good and passes the pre-flight, though it is jammed in the upper
> left corner. The only reason that would be a problem is because
> Postscript reads a page definition from the lower left corner.
>
> You should check with your printer. Some prefer a PDf at actual size
> because thier software takes care of the rest, some want crops
> centered in the middle of a page, especially if you have bleeds(which,
> based on 1 chapter, it looks like you don't). Some also don't care
> and some will want the source files.
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0600, Ed Lake
> wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks. Check my other responses. I included a link to a .pdf file of
>>my Chapter 6. That might explain things better.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>The_Victor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
>>>>don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
>>>>(I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)
>>>
>>>
>>>Post script files are simple ASCII text documents that define a page
>>>to a printer. You can make them with anything. I actually program
>>>some of them by hand
>>>
>>>As for the Textronic, not all printers are postscript printers.
>>>Having the Textronic description in your "print to file" printer will
>>>ensure that you're producing an appropreate .ps.
>>>
>>>Earlier I didn't see that you already have an HP laser, and that
>>>should be sufficient for a .ps file. if you want an accurate match in
>>>page desctiption from your printed Hp document to your PS file, I
>>>would simply duplicate your HP printer and set the copy to Print To
>>>File and use that to generate a .ps file.
>>>
>>>I've looked up PrimoPDF and if your able to launch it, you should be
>>>able to browse to the .ps file that you made and Primo should take
>>>care of the rest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>>>
>>>>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>>>
>>>
>>>>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".
>>>
>>>
>>>If your output is a PDF, it should be fine as long as your fonts are
>>>embedded. If not, simply supply the fonts with your PDF to your
>>>service provider. Without Acrobat, you'll have to check the fonts
>>>you use to see if embedding is allowed because many PC TrueType fonts
>>>do not allow embedding. Right click, open Properties and check the
>>>embedding tab.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
>>>>provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
>>>>files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
>>>>assumed that Quark would create something better or different.
>>>
>>>
>>>PDF is a standard created by Adobe, not Quark, so you won't get a
>>>better result with the export feature. It is only there for a matter
>>>of convienence.
>>>
>>>As for self publishing most printhouses will use "digital printers"
>>>AKA fast copiers not a real press. As long as you use a decent stock
>>>paper, no one outside of the industry will really notice the
>>>difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The_Victor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
>>>>>" Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
>>>>>the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
>>>>>the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
>>>>>doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
>>>>>a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
>>>>>a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
>>>>>Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>>>>>
>>>>>They are located at:
>>>>>http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
>>>>>A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
>>>>>Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
>>>>>dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
>>>>>trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
>>>>>its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
>>>>>with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
>>>>>click away.
>>>>>
>>>>>Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
>>>>>it, I'll be happy to post it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>>>>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>>>>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>>>>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>>>>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>>>>>that says,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>>>>>print to a file."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>>>>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>>>>>follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>>>>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>>>>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:John Doherty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:02:35 -0600
In article , Ed Lake wrote:

> It's a 9x6 paperback. The printing is the right size. But maybe
> the .pdf file should show 9x6 images and not 8-1/2x11 images?

That would be good. It might also be nice for the PDF page size to be
larger than that, say, 7" x 10", so you can fit the 6" x 9" page plus
crop marks on it.

> I don't know if there's any option on PrimoPDF to change the size of
> the output.

It's a matter of choosing the right options when you "print" from QXP.
You want to use a "Printer Type" that supports variable paper sizes,
so you can specify the exact size you need.

If you choose a 12 pt mark offset in QXP, then a "Paper Width" 1"
larger than the trim size will be exactly right. You can leave the
depth on "Automatic" and QXP will figure it out.

--
From:The_Victor
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:44:43 -0500
You should be able to print out of quark at a custom page size if
needed.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:32:07 -0600, Ed Lake
wrote:

>It's a 9x6 paperback. The printing is the right size. But maybe the
>.pdf file should show 9x6 images and not 8-1/2x11 images? I don't know
>if there's any option on PrimoPDF to change the size of the output. I
>think it assumes it's going to be printed on a printer.
>
>But, you're right. I'll have to check with my Book Manufacturer to see
>if I truly have a problem or not. And, if I have a problem, whether
>they can help me with it or not.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ed
>
>
>The_Victor wrote:
>
>> Looks good and passes the pre-flight, though it is jammed in the upper
>> left corner. The only reason that would be a problem is because
>> Postscript reads a page definition from the lower left corner.
>>
>> You should check with your printer. Some prefer a PDf at actual size
>> because thier software takes care of the rest, some want crops
>> centered in the middle of a page, especially if you have bleeds(which,
>> based on 1 chapter, it looks like you don't). Some also don't care
>> and some will want the source files.
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0600, Ed Lake
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thanks. Check my other responses. I included a link to a .pdf file of
>>>my Chapter 6. That might explain things better.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>The_Victor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
>>>>>don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
>>>>>(I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Post script files are simple ASCII text documents that define a page
>>>>to a printer. You can make them with anything. I actually program
>>>>some of them by hand
>>>>
>>>>As for the Textronic, not all printers are postscript printers.
>>>>Having the Textronic description in your "print to file" printer will
>>>>ensure that you're producing an appropreate .ps.
>>>>
>>>>Earlier I didn't see that you already have an HP laser, and that
>>>>should be sufficient for a .ps file. if you want an accurate match in
>>>>page desctiption from your printed Hp document to your PS file, I
>>>>would simply duplicate your HP printer and set the copy to Print To
>>>>File and use that to generate a .ps file.
>>>>
>>>>I've looked up PrimoPDF and if your able to launch it, you should be
>>>>able to browse to the .ps file that you made and Primo should take
>>>>care of the rest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>>>>
>>>>>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If your output is a PDF, it should be fine as long as your fonts are
>>>>embedded. If not, simply supply the fonts with your PDF to your
>>>>service provider. Without Acrobat, you'll have to check the fonts
>>>>you use to see if embedding is allowed because many PC TrueType fonts
>>>>do not allow embedding. Right click, open Properties and check the
>>>>embedding tab.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
>>>>>provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
>>>>>files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
>>>>>assumed that Quark would create something better or different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PDF is a standard created by Adobe, not Quark, so you won't get a
>>>>better result with the export feature. It is only there for a matter
>>>>of convienence.
>>>>
>>>>As for self publishing most printhouses will use "digital printers"
>>>>AKA fast copiers not a real press. As long as you use a decent stock
>>>>paper, no one outside of the industry will really notice the
>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The_Victor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
>>>>>>" Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
>>>>>>the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
>>>>>>the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
>>>>>>doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
>>>>>>a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
>>>>>>a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
>>>>>>Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They are located at:
>>>>>>http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
>>>>>>A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
>>>>>>Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
>>>>>>dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
>>>>>>trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
>>>>>>its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
>>>>>>with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
>>>>>>click away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
>>>>>>it, I'll be happy to post it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>>>>>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>>>>>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>>>>>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>>>>>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>>>>>>that says,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>>>>>>print to a file."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>>>>>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>>>>>>follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>>>>>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>>>>>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:12:04 -0600
>> You should be able to print out of quark at a custom page size if
>> needed.


Yeah, I think so, too. I have an idea what the problem may be. I'll
give it a try tomorrow. Today I was doing three things at once:
building the index, proof-reading and trying to solve the .pdf problem.

I'll try working on the .pdf problem tomorrow before I get back into
building the index and proof-reading. I think I may just have given the
wrong name to the printer I set up for the Quark .pdfs.

Thanks.

Ed


The_Victor wrote:
> You should be able to print out of quark at a custom page size if
> needed.
>
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:32:07 -0600, Ed Lake
> wrote:
>
>
>>It's a 9x6 paperback. The printing is the right size. But maybe the
>>.pdf file should show 9x6 images and not 8-1/2x11 images? I don't know
>>if there's any option on PrimoPDF to change the size of the output. I
>>think it assumes it's going to be printed on a printer.
>>
>>But, you're right. I'll have to check with my Book Manufacturer to see
>>if I truly have a problem or not. And, if I have a problem, whether
>>they can help me with it or not.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>The_Victor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Looks good and passes the pre-flight, though it is jammed in the upper
>>>left corner. The only reason that would be a problem is because
>>>Postscript reads a page definition from the lower left corner.
>>>
>>>You should check with your printer. Some prefer a PDf at actual size
>>>because thier software takes care of the rest, some want crops
>>>centered in the middle of a page, especially if you have bleeds(which,
>>>based on 1 chapter, it looks like you don't). Some also don't care
>>>and some will want the source files.
>>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks. Check my other responses. I included a link to a .pdf file of
>>>>my Chapter 6. That might explain things better.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The_Victor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:45:16 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't follow what you're saying about creating a Tekronix printer. I
>>>>>>don't see what that would accomplish in the way of creating a .pdf file.
>>>>>>(I can already create .ps files, whatever they are.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Post script files are simple ASCII text documents that define a page
>>>>>to a printer. You can make them with anything. I actually program
>>>>>some of them by hand
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the Textronic, not all printers are postscript printers.
>>>>>Having the Textronic description in your "print to file" printer will
>>>>>ensure that you're producing an appropreate .ps.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earlier I didn't see that you already have an HP laser, and that
>>>>>should be sufficient for a .ps file. if you want an accurate match in
>>>>>page desctiption from your printed Hp document to your PS file, I
>>>>>would simply duplicate your HP printer and set the copy to Print To
>>>>>File and use that to generate a .ps file.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've looked up PrimoPDF and if your able to launch it, you should be
>>>>>able to browse to the .ps file that you made and Primo should take
>>>>>care of the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the output
>>>>>
>>>>>>from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like "Ghostscript APFL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If your output is a PDF, it should be fine as long as your fonts are
>>>>>embedded. If not, simply supply the fonts with your PDF to your
>>>>>service provider. Without Acrobat, you'll have to check the fonts
>>>>>you use to see if embedding is allowed because many PC TrueType fonts
>>>>>do not allow embedding. Right click, open Properties and check the
>>>>>embedding tab.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>All the Book Manufacturers I see who do self-publishing want you to
>>>>>>provide .pdf files. They evidently burn their printing plates from .pdf
>>>>>>files. The .pdf files I'm creating for testing look fine. I just
>>>>>>assumed that Quark would create something better or different.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>PDF is a standard created by Adobe, not Quark, so you won't get a
>>>>>better result with the export feature. It is only there for a matter
>>>>>of convienence.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for self publishing most printhouses will use "digital printers"
>>>>>AKA fast copiers not a real press. As long as you use a decent stock
>>>>>paper, no one outside of the industry will really notice the
>>>>>difference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The_Victor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since you don't have a PostScript printer, what you're doing with the
>>>>>>>" Print to the following port -> FILE)." is the correct way to go. At
>>>>>>>the promt for selecting a printer, most documentation suggent using
>>>>>>>the "Tektronix Phaser 840" printer. Even though you don't own one, it
>>>>>>>doesn't matter. Iit will still use the printer descriptions to define
>>>>>>>a distillable .ps (or .prn) file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As for the PrimoPDF package, I've no advice, BUT if your looking for
>>>>>>>a powerful free method of making PDFs, you'll need to download the
>>>>>>>Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They are located at:
>>>>>>>http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get850.htm
>>>>>>>A WORD TO THE WISE THOUGH, It is a developer tool and not youre
>>>>>>>Windows drag and drop interface. If you have little experience
>>>>>>>dealing with the command line and windows environment, you may have
>>>>>>>trouble setting up and executing it properly. However, in my opinoin,
>>>>>>>its more powerful, efficient and faster than the Acrobat package, and
>>>>>>>with a simple script, your PDFs will be nothing more than a double
>>>>>>>click away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Though its really well documented, if you want more information on
>>>>>>>it, I'll be happy to post it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:36:48 -0600, Ed Lake
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>>>>>>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>>>>>>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
>>>>>>>>looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
>>>>>>>>EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>>>>>>>>that says,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>>>>>>>>print to a file."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>>>>>>>>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>>>>>>>>follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>>>>>>>>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>>>>>>>>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:John Doherty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:04:21 -0600
In article , Ed Lake wrote:

> I'll have to find out whether my Book Manufacturer can use the
> output from PrimoPDF before I go with more software like
> "Ghostscript APFL release 8.5 as well as GSview for the PC".

It turns out that this PrimoPDF stuff is just a front end to
ghostscript, so you already have and are using it.

--
From:Aandi Inston
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:06:25 GMT
Ed Lake wrote:

>Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>that says,
>
>"To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
>print to a file."
>
>Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
>follows:
>
>"Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Mike Koewler
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:39:20 -0500
Ed Lake wrote:

> I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
> close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
> cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>
> I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how everything
> looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what happens when I
> EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf file.
>
> Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
> that says,
>
> "To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up to
> print to a file."
>
> Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
> can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are as
> follows:
>
> "Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
> Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
> printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:35:18 -0600
Mike Koewler wrote:

> Ed Lake wrote:
>
>> I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>> close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>> cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>>
>> I've been using a free software package (PrimoPdf) to see how
>> everything looks on my HP laser printer, but I need to see what
>> happens when I EXPORT a chapter directly from Quark to create a .pdf
>> file.
>>
>> Right now, when I click on FILE/EXPORT/Layout as PDF I get a message
>> that says,
>>
>> "To save a layout as a PDF file, a PostScript printer must be set up
>> to print to a file."
>>
>> Okay. How do I do that? I've gone through the instructions, and I
>> can't find how to set up a PostScript Printer. The instructions are
>> as follows:
>>
>> "Note: To map a printer to a file, add a PostScript printer (Start ->
>> Settings -> Printers -> Add Printer). Then set the properties of the
>> printer to print to file (Start -> Settings -> Printer
From:Lee Blevins
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:31:01 -0500
Ed Lake wrote:

> I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
> close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
> cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.

There are many ways to get a PS printer installed but since you're
investing such a large effort in typesetting a book I'd suggest you
purchase Acrobat Professional.

It has everything you need in it.
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:53:06 -0600
Lee Blevins wrote:

> Ed Lake wrote:
>
>
>>I just bought Quark 6.5 about a week ago. My 264 page book is getting
>>close to being typeset (all I have left to do is the index and the
>>cover), but I can't figure out how to create .pdf files.
>
>
> There are many ways to get a PS printer installed but since you're
> investing such a large effort in typesetting a book I'd suggest you
> purchase Acrobat Professional.
>
> It has everything you need in it.

Thanks, but I just spent hundreds of dollars to buy Quark Xpress. I
assumed it would do the job. The book printers I've talked with seem to
love it. They seem to look down on other typesetting software. I just
can't believe that I need additional software to create .pdf files from
Quark Xpress. That's something I didn't expect.

I'm done all the typesetting the book - except for the Index. I expect
to be done with the Index tomorrow or Monday. Than all I have to wait
for is the ISBN number, and I have to create the cover.

Plus, I need to find out whether my book manufacturer can use the .pdf
files created by PrimoPDF. Is there really any difference? I have no
idea. It looks fine. It prints great on my HP Laserjet 1100.

Right now, I don't know if I have a problem or not. If my book
manufacturer can't use the output from PrimoPDF, then I've got a problem.

Thanks.

Ed
From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:06:27 -0500
In article ,
Ed Lake wrote:

> Thanks, but I just spent hundreds of dollars to buy Quark Xpress. I
> assumed it would do the job. The book printers I've talked with seem to
> love it. They seem to look down on other typesetting software. I just
> can't believe that I need additional software to create .pdf files from
> Quark Xpress.

Have one of these vaunted book printers do it for you.
From:Aandi Inston
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:14:34 GMT
Ed Lake wrote:

>Thanks, but I just spent hundreds of dollars to buy Quark Xpress. I
>assumed it would do the job. The book printers I've talked with seem to
>love it. They seem to look down on other typesetting software. I just
>can't believe that I need additional software to create .pdf files from
>Quark Xpress. That's something I didn't expect.

This is a very common beginner's misapprehension: they think there is
a design tool that does everything. Far from it. QuarkXPress is
nothing but a layout tool. It doesn't do photos: professionals buy
Photoshop. It doesn't do art: pros buy Illustrator or Freehand.

Up until 5.0 it very specifically didn't make PDF files; but it had a
PDF export filter that would link to Acrobat.

XPress 6 and later DOES include the tools to export PDF files. It may
be very good, but is viewed with some suspicion. Using some free
software is going to be greeted with outright alarm. There is a
general expectation that you will have used Acrobat. But, above all,
you have to work with your printer to find out what they require. Some
will want XPress native files (probably XPress 5.0 though); some will
want PDFs. Some want InDesign files. DON'T GUESS or try to find out
best practice without involving your printer.
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From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:31:34 -0600
Aandi Inston wrote:

> Ed Lake wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks, but I just spent hundreds of dollars to buy Quark Xpress. I
>>assumed it would do the job. The book printers I've talked with seem to
>>love it. They seem to look down on other typesetting software. I just
>>can't believe that I need additional software to create .pdf files from
>>Quark Xpress. That's something I didn't expect.
>
>
> This is a very common beginner's misapprehension: they think there is
> a design tool that does everything. Far from it. QuarkXPress is
> nothing but a layout tool. It doesn't do photos: professionals buy
> Photoshop. It doesn't do art: pros buy Illustrator or Freehand.
>
> Up until 5.0 it very specifically didn't make PDF files; but it had a
> PDF export filter that would link to Acrobat.
>
> XPress 6 and later DOES include the tools to export PDF files. It may
> be very good, but is viewed with some suspicion. Using some free
> software is going to be greeted with outright alarm. There is a
> general expectation that you will have used Acrobat. But, above all,
> you have to work with your printer to find out what they require. Some
> will want XPress native files (probably XPress 5.0 though); some will
> want PDFs. Some want InDesign files. DON'T GUESS or try to find out
> best practice without involving your printer.
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>

> XPress 6 and later DOES include the tools to export PDF files.


Ah! Right! I remember reading that before I bought Quark Xpress.
That's why I was surprised that I couldn't find an easy way to do it. I
just may be interpreting something incorrectly. It's possible that all
I have to do is create a FILE printer called "DeviceN".

It's probably just a simple problem, but I'm not much of a techie.

Thanks.

Ed
From:The_Victor
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:14:47 -0500
>XPress 6 and later DOES include the tools to export PDF files. It may
>be very good, but is viewed with some suspicion. Using some free
>software is going to be greeted with outright alarm.
What are the suspicions regarding Jaws and PC Quark 6? I'm thinking
of migrating to Onyx Postershop for large format output and I know
that Jaws is an key component of that.
From:Aandi Inston
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:06:53 GMT
The_Victor wrote:

>>XPress 6 and later DOES include the tools to export PDF files. It may
>>be very good, but is viewed with some suspicion. Using some free
>>software is going to be greeted with outright alarm.
>What are the suspicions regarding Jaws and PC Quark 6?

They are mostly suspicions as far as I can see. The QuarkXPress
community is frequently very conservative. Indeed, many of them view
XPress 6 with great suspicion, and some don't trust 5.
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From:John Doherty
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:56 -0600
In article , Ed Lake wrote:

> Plus, I need to find out whether my book manufacturer can use the
> .pdf files created by PrimoPDF.

I don't know anything about that, but what the book manufacturer is
going to want is a PDF file that has all the fonts it uses embedded
in it, preferably subsetted. Are there color photos in your book, or
any other color? If so, it should be CMYK color, not RGB. They might
also have some other preferences regarding things like crop marks,
etc., and if your book contains elements that bleed off the page, you
need to account for that, too.

If PrimoPDF can produce a PDF file like that, then it might be fine.
But if it can't, it won't.

But you shouldn't need to buy anything at this point. See my other
post in this thread.

--
From:Ed Lake
Subject:Re: Basic Question about creating PDF files
Date:Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:20:55 -0600
John Doherty wrote:
> In article , Ed Lake wrote:
>
>
>>Plus, I need to find out whether my book manufacturer can use the
>>.pdf files created by PrimoPDF.
>
>
> I don't know anything about that, but what the book manufacturer is
> going to want is a PDF file that has all the fonts it uses embedded
> in it, preferably subsetted. Are there color photos in your book, or
> any other color? If so, it should be CMYK color, not RGB. They might
> also have some other preferences regarding things like crop marks,
> etc., and if your book contains elements that bleed off the page, you
> need to account for that, too.
>
> If PrimoPDF can produce a PDF file like that, then it might be fine.
> But if it can't, it won't.
>
> But you shouldn't need to buy anything