do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
cerberian filter.

From:	Lars M. Hansen
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:01:03 -0500

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:59:13 -0800, abspc spoketh

>do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
>then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
>use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
>was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
>belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
>and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
>party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
>network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
>cerberian filter.

Sorry, it's very early on a saturday morning, I haven't read the entire
thread...

Yes, you can daisy chain your routers like this:

Internet -> Router1 -> Router2 -> LAN

So, if Router1 has load balancing and port filtering and Router2 has the
content filtering, this is a viable solution.

There's a couple of gotchas:
1. Make sure that if Router1 assigns DHCP addresses, that they are not
in the same range as Router 2. Router2 will not appreciate having the
same network on both the LAN and the WAN side.

2. The speed of your internet connection is dependent on the slowest
link. Some of these broadband routers are slower than others, so make
sure both your routers are rated for a higher speed than your internet
connection.

3. Connections: Your cable/dsl modem plugs into the WAN port of router1.
Router1's LAN port plugs into Router2's WAN port, and your computers
plugs into the LAN port(s) on Router2.

Lars M. Hansen
http://www.hansenonline.net
(replace 'badnews' with 'news' in e-mail address)

From:	abspc
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:35:28 -0800

Lars M. Hansen wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:59:13 -0800, abspc spoketh
>
>
>>do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
>>then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
>>use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
>>was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
>>belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
>>and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
>>party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
>>network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
>>cerberian filter.
>
>
> Sorry, it's very early on a saturday morning, I haven't read the entire
> thread...
>
> Yes, you can daisy chain your routers like this:
>
> Internet -> Router1 -> Router2 -> LAN
>
> So, if Router1 has load balancing and port filtering and Router2 has the
> content filtering, this is a viable solution.
>
> There's a couple of gotchas:
> 1. Make sure that if Router1 assigns DHCP addresses, that they are not
> in the same range as Router 2. Router2 will not appreciate having the
> same network on both the LAN and the WAN side.
>
> 2. The speed of your internet connection is dependent on the slowest
> link. Some of these broadband routers are slower than others, so make
> sure both your routers are rated for a higher speed than your internet
> connection.
>
> 3. Connections: Your cable/dsl modem plugs into the WAN port of router1.
> Router1's LAN port plugs into Router2's WAN port, and your computers
> plugs into the LAN port(s) on Router2.
>
> Lars M. Hansen
> http://www.hansenonline.net
> (replace 'badnews' with 'news' in e-mail address)

Oh, I thought that router 2 would not use wan connection port at all.
why would it?

In IP set up, what numbers would i give the belkin router for IP as
router 2? i think i am confused on how to assign the ip numbers for the
belkin since i think the belkin would not want to get IP from router 1.
i would give belkin router 2 a static ip right? and what ip would it be?

Router 1 dhcp server enabled. router 2 static ip but not in the same
range as router 1? I'm a little confused slightly. couldn't i give
router 2 say 192.168.1.6 and router 1 is a dhcp server and things work?

From:	E.
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:07:40 +1100

abspc wrote:

> do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
> then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
> use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
> was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
> belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
> and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
> party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
> network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
> cerberian filter.

Do you mean WAN <->routerA<-LanA->routerB<-LanB->client PC's.
If so, the answer is yes, but you must use different IP ranges for each
LAN, and may have to add a static route to the internal LANB.

E.g. Router A has IP address 192.168.0.1 on LAN A (192.168.0.0/24),
Router B has address 192.168.0.2 on LANA and 192.168.50.1 on LANB
(192.168.50.0/24). On RouterA and entry telling it to reach 192.168.50.0
via 192.168.0.2
192.168.50.x network clients would have a gateway address of
192.168.50.1, and routerB would have a gateway address of 192.168.0.1

Add 2 more networks (with different IP ranges, of course) and you've got
something similar to my current home network.
E.

From:	abspc
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:18:55 -0800

E. wrote:
> abspc wrote:
>
>> do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
>> then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something
>> and use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web
>> sites? I was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is
>> a known belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a
>> new router and if the new router did not have a web filter like that
>> uses a third party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the
>> belkin up to the network, not as a router, but a normal device using
>> its built in cerberian filter.
>
>
> Do you mean WAN <->routerA<-LanA->routerB<-LanB->client PC's.
> If so, the answer is yes, but you must use different IP ranges for each
> LAN, and may have to add a static route to the internal LANB.
>
> E.g. Router A has IP address 192.168.0.1 on LAN A (192.168.0.0/24),
> Router B has address 192.168.0.2 on LANA and 192.168.50.1 on LANB
> (192.168.50.0/24). On RouterA and entry telling it to reach 192.168.50.0
> via 192.168.0.2
> 192.168.50.x network clients would have a gateway address of
> 192.168.50.1, and routerB would have a gateway address of 192.168.0.1
>
> Add 2 more networks (with different IP ranges, of course) and you've got
> something similar to my current home network.
> E.

No, one network only. So, router A is main router. 192.168.1.1 and it
has no web categories filtering.

Router B is my belkin router which dchp server disabled. 192.168.1.2
would be its ip. it does have true web content filtering parental
control allowing you to select categories to block.

I just do not know if the web filtering in the belkin would work. i just
have to test it i guess.

From:	datacide
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	21 Jan 2005 04:35:06 -0800

As far as I am aware the Belkin router is an adsl/wan router and not a
lan router.
As such, I presume that the web filtering is applied from the LAN ->
Internet, i.e. using the actual belkin router function.
In that light, you cannot use the webfiltering functionality as you
would have to connect your client pc's to the belkin appiance, and then
route to the new router. due to aforementioned reasons not possible
(i.e. you cannot daisychain your soho routers as they need a direct
adsl connection)

regards
dc

From:	abspc
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:21:26 -0800

datacide wrote:
> As far as I am aware the Belkin router is an adsl/wan router and not a
> lan router.
> As such, I presume that the web filtering is applied from the LAN ->
> Internet, i.e. using the actual belkin router function.
> In that light, you cannot use the webfiltering functionality as you
> would have to connect your client pc's to the belkin appiance, and then
> route to the new router. due to aforementioned reasons not possible
> (i.e. you cannot daisychain your soho routers as they need a direct
> adsl connection)
>
>
> regards
> dc
>

Why are you talking ADSL? It's a home based broadband router, not just
an adsl router.

Anyway it can be done, it is a router, but can act as a switch/wirelesss
accesspoint as well. The belkin being behind another router will work
and the parental control still is enabled, the only way to disable it is
with password or just reset to factory defaults, so it should be fine.
all computers going through the belkin then through the main router. i
don't think the parental control cares if it's a switch or the dchp is
enabled. the content filtering just works and it works. i would have to
try it though.

but since i think i found the router i will get, i won't need to since
the router i might get, it has content filtering proviced by cerberian,
the same in the belkin, plus the router has some really good and
advanced features the belkin doesn't even come close to doing.

From:	Duane Arnold
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:43:55 GMT

abspc wrote in news:20050119175942.213$y5@news.newsreader.com:

> do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
> then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
> use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
> was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
> belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
> and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
> party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
> network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
> cerberian filter.
>

The second router has to be configured to be a switch and plugged into one
of the LAN ports on the gateway router. There can be only one router with
DCHP enabled acting as the gateway.

The link is talking about connecting two 54g(s) together using the RJ45
Cat5 cables. The principle is the same no matter what type of routers you
hook together.

http://tinyurl.com/5sjf3

Duane :)

From:	abspc
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:33:15 -0800

Duane Arnold wrote:
> abspc wrote in news:20050119175942.213$y5@news.newsreader.com:
>
>
>>do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
>>then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
>>use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
>>was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
>>belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
>>and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
>>party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
>>network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
>>cerberian filter.
>>
>
>
> The second router has to be configured to be a switch and plugged into one
> of the LAN ports on the gateway router. There can be only one router with
> DCHP enabled acting as the gateway.
>
> The link is talking about connecting two 54g(s) together using the RJ45
> Cat5 cables. The principle is the same no matter what type of routers you
> hook together.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5sjf3
>
> Duane :)
>

Thank you Duane. So it should be possible if the belkin is not dhcp
enabled and acting only as a client?

From:	Duane Arnold
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:32:58 GMT

abspc wrote in news:20050119193347.304$n3@news.newsreader.com:

> Duane Arnold wrote:
>> abspc wrote in
>> news:20050119175942.213$y5@news.newsreader.com:
>>
>>
>>>do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
>>>then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something
>>>and use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web
>>>sites? I was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is
>>>a known belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a
>>>new router and if the new router did not have a web filter like that
>>>uses a third party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the
>>>belkin up to the network, not as a router, but a normal device using
>>>its built in cerberian filter.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The second router has to be configured to be a switch and plugged
>> into one of the LAN ports on the gateway router. There can be only
>> one router with DCHP enabled acting as the gateway.
>>
>> The link is talking about connecting two 54g(s) together using the
>> RJ45 Cat5 cables. The principle is the same no matter what type of
>> routers you hook together.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5sjf3
>>
>> Duane :)
>>
>
> Thank you Duane. So it should be possible if the belkin is not dhcp
> enabled and acting only as a client?
>

The router would become a switch since the router has a built in switch
that it uses as a router and would not a router anymore, which is better
than a hub. The router would be in a switch and not a router mode. All
machines connected to the now switch that was a router would get its IP
form the gateway router.

http://tinyurl.com/leps

Duane :)

From:	abspc
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:39:59 -0800

Duane Arnold wrote:
> abspc wrote in news:20050119175942.213$y5@news.newsreader.com:
>
>
>>do you know if it is possible to run say a router as the main router,
>>then use a belkin not as a router, but a normal device or something and
>>use the cerberian web filter in it to filter the net for web sites? I
>>was thinking that since the belkin can not port block, it is a known
>>belkin problem and they have no fix right now, i would get a new router
>>and if the new router did not have a web filter like that uses a third
>>party for categories and what not, I'd want to hook the belkin up to the
>>network, not as a router, but a normal device using its built in
>>cerberian filter.
>>
>
>
> The second router has to be configured to be a switch and plugged into one
> of the LAN ports on the gateway router. There can be only one router with
> DCHP enabled acting as the gateway.
>
> The link is talking about connecting two 54g(s) together using the RJ45
> Cat5 cables. The principle is the same no matter what type of routers you
> hook together.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5sjf3
>
> Duane :)
>

Duane, the only thing here is that if I connected my belkin as a switch,
not the main router, I need to use the built in parental control and I
don't know if that would work if the routing function is off. I guess
it's try and see. However I have no router right now other then this belkin.

I was thinking if it works, I might buy the HotBrick dual wan port the
Firewall LB2 router which does not do true web filtering using
categories, but my belkin does. So I'd use the belkin for the category
filtering, and the hot brick for the router part stuff.

From:	Duane Arnold
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:24:41 GMT

>
> I was thinking if it works, I might buy the HotBrick dual wan port the
> Firewall LB2 router which does not do true web filtering using
> categories, but my belkin does. So I'd use the belkin for the category
> filtering, and the hot brick for the router part stuff.
>

I guess you can try. ;-)

Duane :)

From:	abspc
Subject:	Re: 2 routers connected to one lan question
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:53:07 -0800

Duane Arnold wrote:
>>I was thinking if it works, I might buy the HotBrick dual wan port the
>>Firewall LB2 router which does not do true web filtering using
>>categories, but my belkin does. So I'd use the belkin for the category
>>filtering, and the hot brick for the router part stuff.
>>
>
>
> I guess you can try. ;-)
>
> Duane :)

I dunno what to get Duane. I need really the main router to have content
filtering via web categories and i got no idea what does for like say
$220 or less that's any good.