 | | From: | Jeremy Smith | | Subject: | What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:37:13 +0000 |
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 | Hello,
I was wondering if anyone with some experience of how recruiters work
could offer me some advice.
I'm a recent-graduate based in Teeside, UK and have had no actual
experience with them until now.
I applied for a software engineering (C++) job via a standard job-search
website. Sent my CV etc. to, what I now realise, was a recruiter.
Apparently they sent my CV to the company (not telling me who of
course). My CV was 'accepted' and so now I have to go for an interview
with the recruitment company (and then onto a full interview with the
actual company, assuming I 'pass').
Now, since this interview was arranged I have discovered who the company
is. They have made their own (no recruiter involved) advertisements to
other job sites which I had not seen before. A couple (!) of recruiters
called me today asking for the same various skills and one of them told
me the name of the company (after I'd said I was pretty sure I'd already
been applied to this job). A quick search on the net reveals the wording
of the advertisements is the same in places so I am sure this is the
same company (I have a few other indicators but I'd rather not reveal
them for the sake of anonymity - basically, I'm sure).
I am looking for some advice and info on the following:
Why would a company use the services of recruiters if it was going to
advertise itself in various places (with CVs being sent directly to
them)? If the company didn't have the resources surely they'd leave the
recruiter to it?
Is it standard practice to enlist several recruiters for the same job?
And the crunch question...
Should I make contact with the actual company? Am I at a disadvantage
compared to someone who did not go through a recruiter (i.e. the other
is effectively 'cheaper' to hire)? I'd probably play it rather coy -
claiming to have found their ad and wondering if it was the same job I'd
already applied to via X recruiter (pretty much the truth).
Would the company appreciate this? Or is there legal problems with the
recruiter now involved (even though they've told me nothing)?
I'm assuming the company does not know who I am either - that is, the CV
they were sent would have blanked my contact details?
I apologise for all the questions - I'm just very new to this and have
no experience with how recruiters work and their relationship with the
companies they work for. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jerry
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| | From: | William | | Subject: | Re: What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:51:06 -0600 |
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| "Jeremy Smith" wrote in message
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> Why would a company use the services of recruiters if it was going to
> advertise itself in various places (with CVs being sent directly to
> them)? If the company didn't have the resources surely they'd leave the
> recruiter to it?
The recruiter may have just lifted the company's ad in an attempt
to gather clients it could vet for the position and offer to the
company, charging for the vetting process. There may be a contract
involved which obligates the company to hire through the recruiter
if the recruiter provides the contact, but it may also be that the
recruiter just offered the contacts on spec with the aforementioned
vetting process as a sweetner to make paying the fee worthwhile.
You could probably ask the company if they are the ones
dealing with the recruiter (pretend you aren't really sure) and, if
so, ask if they prefer to (or have to) go through the recruiter.
(You could just put that on the cover letter of your CV - to
my mind it would suggest you're both really interested in the
company, and interested in doing the right thing. Not a bad
impression to give.)
-Wm
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| | From: | Amadeus | | Subject: | Re: What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | 13 Jan 2005 11:43:35 -0800 |
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| Who cares about the contract with recruiter :-)
If you screw recruiter it usually does not create any problems, so many
of them around and most of IT recruiters won't bother even to call you
back. Company which hired you - they may have to pay recruiter even if
they got your resume directly. Some may decided not to hire you if they
can foresee this problem, so don't tell your employer where else you've
sent your resume to. I have not heard from anyone loosing their job
because some recruiter asked for money after., so do what is best for
you.
Why so many recruiters advertising one positions ? because recruiters
are broke now. They will call bugging HR and they will offer to send
candidates for free only for promise to get paid if their candidate
will be hired.
You'll be blacklisted by recruiter ? is that matters to you ? Maybe -
This days companies receiving 1000s of resumes which they keep in
"database" or garbage bin for clarity. Recruiter can bring your resume
up to their attention if he or she believes that you can get the job -
and that helps a lot sometimes is the only way to get job is to have
recruiter to push you in. And even if you sent your resume directly
earlier they'd pay to recruiter who brought it to their attention, I've
heard MS does it, Amazon does it and others too. . . Recruiter may have
"special relationship" with HR in big company, I've eaten chokolate
left by recruiter on HR's table many times :-)
Alex.
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| | From: | Juhan Leemet | | Subject: | Re: What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:58:16 -0300 |
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| On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:43:35 -0800, Amadeus wrote:
> Who cares about the contract with recruiter :-)
> If you screw recruiter it usually does not create any problems...
Not so sure. Recruiters have more (expensive?) lawyers than we do. The
recruiter can threaten to sue the company that might hire you, and thereby
"queer the deal". It would not be worth it for the company to hire you and
have to fight the recruiters lawyer(s). They would rather hire someone
else, who is not encumbered by potential litigation.
> You'll be blacklisted by recruiter ? is that matters to you ? ...
Who does he share his blacklist with? Is he "primary recruiter" for anyone?
--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.
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| | From: | Jonathan Allan | | Subject: | Re: What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:58:37 -0600 |
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| Jeremy Smith wrote:
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
What contract have you signed with the recruiter? What are you legally
obligated to do?
Jonathan
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| | From: | Jeremy Smith | | Subject: | Re: What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:42:21 +0000 |
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| Jonathan Allan wrote:
> Jeremy Smith wrote:
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>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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> What contract have you signed with the recruiter? What are you legally
> obligated to do?
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> Jonathan
No contract. Only communication so far has been via phone. Recruiter
posted job to a job site, I replied (sending CV etc.) and it's gone from
there. The recruitment agency has been the liason between me and the
company.
Russ
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| | From: | William | | Subject: | Re: What to do about a recruiter? | | Date: | Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:42:16 -0600 |
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| "Jonathan Allan" wrote in message
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> Jeremy Smith wrote:
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> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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> What contract have you signed with the recruiter? What are you legally
> obligated to do?
The other question is what contract the company has signed with the
recruiter. Once they've been contacted by the recruiter for a
specific candidate, they may not be able to deal with that candidate
directly. -Wm
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