Thanks again to Paul the A2 world has four Apple ][ Boogie
music mp3's online for listening and/or downloads. More to
come (I think) - keep checking the folder:

http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/Music/Apple.%20Boogie/
Ripples is a real jewel!

From:	Doctor Roberts
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	17 Jan 2005 21:23:29 -0800

From:	carbide at egine.com
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	20 Jan 2005 17:49:42 -0800

Richard Bennett wrote:

>
> You alone have destroyed the Apple // community and any incentive for
> developers to continue supporting it.

Yeah right- in your fantasy world. No doubt developers would still be
making big bucks programming for the Apple II... if only it weren't for
Tom.
BWAHAHAHAHA!

And yet... funny how piracy was and is rampant in the MS OS world, but
that platform thrives.

-Paul

From:	TaDa Pope
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	24 Jan 2005 05:22:53 GMT

>Subject: Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
>From: carbide@egine.com
>Date: 1/20/2005 5:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1106272182.239732.28490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>
>
>Richard Bennett wrote:
>
>>
>> You alone have destroyed the Apple // community and any incentive for
>> developers to continue supporting it.
>
>Yeah right- in your fantasy world. No doubt developers would still be
>making big bucks programming for the Apple II... if only it weren't for
>Tom.
>BWAHAHAHAHA!
>
>And yet... funny how piracy was and is rampant in the MS OS world, but
>that platform thrives.
>
>-Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Windows XP is all I use on my Dell.
I haven't used an Apple computer
for years now. I suspect they will
blame me for all the piracy on this
platform now.

Tangents are infinite in all of nature in
all universes constantly and at random.
* D OUOSVAVV M *
*PUBLIUS ENIGMA*
Oh Joy!
The Psychedelic Pope
Patron Saint of the Internet

http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/

From:	Doctor Roberts
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	19 Jan 2005 21:15:12 -0800

I actually have that Blue Cheer album in the cover in mint condition
and autographed by all the band members at their reunion concert
at Wolfgangs Club in San Francisco -- many years ago.

I gave the band several hash
oil soaked joints and they smoked out on them before coming on.
They knew me as Doctor Tom and dedicated their first song - Dr. Please'
to me.

I think I'll go get the album cover and lick on it for a while.
SERIOUSLY!

From:	Exegete
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:32:42 -0600

Doctor Roberts wrote:

> I actually have that Blue Cheer album in the cover in mint condition
> and autographed by all the band members at their reunion concert
> at Wolfgangs Club in San Francisco -- many years ago.
>
> I gave the band several hash
> oil soaked joints and they smoked out on them before coming on.
> They knew me as Doctor Tom and dedicated their first song - Dr. Please'
> to me.
>
> I think I'll go get the album cover and lick on it for a while.
> SERIOUSLY!
>
mental image
mental image

If I were a cat, I'd hack up a hair ball!

Roy

From:	Doctor Roberts
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	19 Jan 2005 09:45:32 -0800

Why even bother with anything involving the Apple II then?
Because we want to!

From:	Richard Bennett
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:37:04 +1100

On 19 Jan 2005 09:45:32 -0800, "Doctor Roberts"
wrote:

>Why even bother with anything involving the Apple II then?
>Because we want to!

Get off the weed Turdbag.

Go back to your usual sector-editing and theft of other people's work
you retarded basket case.

Why the hell are you shafting the African's with your mindless pirated
cesspit called apple2.org.za ? can't you just FOAD and stop sucking
the last bit of blood left in the Apple // world ? Obviously not,
since the meds you're on are not working - must be the weed that's
tripping you out eh - old he of the fake PhD.

You alone have destroyed the Apple // community and any incentive for
developers to continue supporting it. I hope you rot in the sewer
with your pirated filth.

And is it still Charles or is it Turdbag Dorktor Roberts ? Might want
to get that old head examined for empty space - your pea sized brain
might put in an appearance.

From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:12:28 +1100

Thank you to the csa2 gnome who brought this to my attention.

I'm not sure who's been trying to impersonate me recently, but the post
below by Richard Bennett certainly isn't me. If you're going to abuse ol'
turdbag, at least use your real name OK?

For starters, that's no longer my name... The last time I posted in this
most prestigious and historic forum was about 5 years ago, and I'd assumed
that the NTTP RFC was now on display in a museum somewhere, locked inside
a glass cabinet, with brown stain splatter marks around the base.

Like, Usenet? Get outa here, I seriously didn't realise this shite hole
was still operational.

Although I am surprised old turdbag's still alive. I thought he'd died a
few years back, of complications with his perennial ring infection. But I
guess it is that time of year...

So yeah, anyone posting under Richard Bennett isn't me. Although I'm
assuming the usual suspects have already tried me and found me guilty. No
matter, 'twould be expected...

In article , Richard Bennett
wrote:

> On 19 Jan 2005 09:45:32 -0800, "Doctor Roberts"
> wrote:
>
> >Why even bother with anything involving the Apple II then?
> >Because we want to!
>
> Get off the weed Turdbag.
>
> Go back to your usual sector-editing and theft of other people's work
> you retarded basket case.
>
> Why the hell are you shafting the African's with your mindless pirated
> cesspit called apple2.org.za ? can't you just FOAD and stop sucking
> the last bit of blood left in the Apple // world ? Obviously not,
> since the meds you're on are not working - must be the weed that's
> tripping you out eh - old he of the fake PhD.
>
> You alone have destroyed the Apple // community and any incentive for
> developers to continue supporting it. I hope you rot in the sewer
> with your pirated filth.
>
> And is it still Charles or is it Turdbag Dorktor Roberts ? Might want
> to get that old head examined for empty space - your pea sized brain
> might put in an appearance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From:	carbide at egine.com
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	19 Jan 2005 11:43:04 -0800

Simon Williams wrote:

> I'm one of the unfortunate few who can actually
> hear a substantial difference between CD and even high quality
mp3s...

Ah- well then, you should be able to listen to those mp3's and pick out
the dropouts. I ripped them with a freeware pc program called MP3
Direct Cut, which has a graphical display of the music. It was evident
that this tape had a lot of dropouts- places where the amplitude would
very briefly drop to zero. In the old days, cassettes for computer data
would be certified to be free of those.

I found that I couldn't hear those dropouts, even with the visual
feedback of exactly when they occurred.

-Paul

From:	Mike
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	18 Jan 2005 12:28:05 -0600

In article <1105989398.915414.159380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Docktor Tom" wrote:

> Thanks again to Paul the A2 world has four Apple ][ Boogie
> music mp3's online for listening and/or downloads. More to
> come (I think) - keep checking the folder:
>
> http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/Music/Apple.%20Boogie/
> Ripples is a real jewel!

While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother with
128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.

Mike

From:	Sean Fahey
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:39:22 GMT

"Mike" wrote in message
news:abc-79F65A.13193818012005@28-74.newscene.com...

> While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother with
> 128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.

Since they were sampled from tape, why bother going over 128? Isn't CD
quality for most people at around 160? This isn't a troll, I'm just curious
why you feel they should have been sampled higher - I am not an audio
engineer.

From:	Mike
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	18 Jan 2005 21:58:07 -0600

In article ,
"Sean Fahey" wrote:

> "Mike" wrote in message
> news:abc-79F65A.13193818012005@28-74.newscene.com...
>
> > While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother with
> > 128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.
>
> Since they were sampled from tape, why bother going over 128? Isn't CD
> quality for most people at around 160? This isn't a troll, I'm just curious
> why you feel they should have been sampled higher - I am not an audio
> engineer.

Ah, OK. Sorry, I came in late. 128k is probably good enough for
cassette tape - especially commercial, pre-recorded tapes.

However, I have cassette tapes that I have recorded myself on a high
quality deck using DBX noise reduction that certainly sound better than
this, and would benefit from higher bit rates. 192k is the minimum I
use. I normally use 256k if it's CBR, or around 192k for VBR.

Mike

From:	Simon Williams
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:26:51 GMT

Sean Fahey wrote:

> "Mike" wrote in message
> news:abc-79F65A.13193818012005@28-74.newscene.com...
>
> > While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother with
> > 128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.
>
> Since they were sampled from tape, why bother going over 128? Isn't CD
> quality for most people at around 160? This isn't a troll, I'm just curious
> why you feel they should have been sampled higher - I am not an audio
> engineer.

_most_ people can't tell the diff between CD and 128K... my hearing's
not quite 20-20* but I'm one of the unfortunate few who can actually
hear a substantial difference between CD and even high quality mp3s...
(and I'm 37 and have played in some rather loud rock bands!) To me, 128K
sounds very close to a commercially duped tape; 192K sounds like a good
homemade tape and 256K sounds close, but not quite CD quality. That
being said, I regularly encode my sample mp3s at 48K just to keep the
files small, which sounds very much like good shortwave reception.
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From:	Moll
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:49:55 GMT

Mike wrote:
> In article <1105989398.915414.159380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Docktor Tom" wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks again to Paul the A2 world has four Apple ][ Boogie
>>music mp3's online for listening and/or downloads. More to
>>come (I think) - keep checking the folder:
>>
>>http://www.apple2.org.za/gswv/me/Music/Apple.%20Boogie/
>>Ripples is a real jewel!
>
>
> While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother with
> 128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.
>
> Mike

I think 128's fine for tape rips.

Moll.

From:	Docktor Tom
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	17 Jan 2005 11:27:17 -0800

Anybody want to convert these to play on any of the Apple II
series computers? A IIgs conversion would be nice!

From:	Quantum Cat
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:42:56 -0500 (EST)

Hiya, Dorktor!

> Anybody want to convert these to play on any of the Apple II
> series computers?

It's a simple enough process, Tom... Oh, I mean for most PhDless folks.
I suppose the more PhD's you have, the more difficult the task would
be, which is why you always have to have someone else do this kind of
thing for you. ;)

> A IIgs conversion would be nice!

I suppose. If you have a dozen megabytes free on a hard drive. I'd
consider it to be a waste of space. But then I consider you to be a
waste of space. ;)

Keep taking your meds!

--
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From:	Doctor Roberts
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	20 Jan 2005 10:31:13 -0800

Roy in the next few weeks time I'm going to put it up on ebay
for auction. BTW, I decided not to lick it. I'm already high
enough.

From:	Quantum Cat
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:10:06 -0500 (EST)

Docktor Robber wrote:

> Roy in the next few weeks time I'm going to put it up on ebay
> for auction.

Perhaps someone will buy it for the DNA sample you left, so they can
tailor a virus specifically for you! Hmmmmmm... ;)

> BTW, I decided not to lick it. I'm already high enough.

How fortunate for you that you're perpetually high. Most of humanity
draws the line at huffing their own intestinal gases though. You're a
pioneer, I guess. ;)

Keep taking your meds!

--
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From:	Doctor Roberts
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	22 Jan 2005 12:21:11 -0800

Yes it sure is. When I got into the PC and left the Apple behind
I've found every type of platform emulator for the PC. I wonder if
anybody ever made a Nintendo emulator for the Apple II series?

From:	carbide at egine.com
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	18 Jan 2005 11:00:54 -0800

Sean Fahey wrote:
> "Mike" wrote in message
> news:abc-79F65A.13193818012005@28-74.newscene.com...
>
> > While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother
with
> > 128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.
>
> Since they were sampled from tape, why bother going over 128? Isn't
CD
> quality for most people at around 160? This isn't a troll, I'm just
curious
> why you feel they should have been sampled higher - I am not an audio
> engineer.

Exactly. I use 192K for CD's (according to what experts have written,
more is overkill) but with cassettes you'd just get hi fi hiss. No
point. File size was an issue, too, since I don't have a high-bandwidth
connection. It would have taken twice as long to upload at 256K.

The acid test- is there anyone who'd put money on their ability to
distinguish these songs ripped at 128K and 256K? All eight, listen to
both versions, and consistently distinguish the 128K from the 256K?
I know I couldn't do it. I doubt if many people could either.
-Paul

From:	Michael J. Mahon
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	18 Jan 2005 19:58:39 GMT

Paul (carbide@egine.com) wrote:

>Sean Fahey wrote:
>> "Mike" wrote in message
>> news:abc-79F65A.13193818012005@28-74.newscene.com...
>>
>> > While I appreciate the effort, I have to wonder - why even bother
>with
>> > 128k MP3s? They should be at least 192, and preferably 256k.
>>
>> Since they were sampled from tape, why bother going over 128? Isn't
>CD
>> quality for most people at around 160? This isn't a troll, I'm just
>curious
>> why you feel they should have been sampled higher - I am not an audio
>> engineer.
>
>Exactly. I use 192K for CD's (according to what experts have written,
>more is overkill) but with cassettes you'd just get hi fi hiss. No
>point. File size was an issue, too, since I don't have a high-bandwidth
>connection. It would have taken twice as long to upload at 256K.
>
>The acid test- is there anyone who'd put money on their ability to
>distinguish these songs ripped at 128K and 256K? All eight, listen to
>both versions, and consistently distinguish the 128K from the 256K?
>I know I couldn't do it. I doubt if many people could either.

From what I know about me, I suspect that the median age of
the Apple II community is getting to the point where anything
beyond 10kHz is just for politeness. ;-)

-michael

New Applesoft BASIC interface for NadaNet networking!
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

From:	carbide at egine.com
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:16:37 -0800

Michael J. Mahon wrote:
> Paul (carbide@egine.com) wrote:
>
>
> From what I know about me, I suspect that the median age of
> the Apple II community is getting to the point where anything
> beyond 10kHz is just for politeness. ;-)
>

Heh heh! I hadn't considered that, but you definitely lose the high
freqs with age. I remember taking an electronics class when in my 20's.
Someone complained about the whine from a TV flyback xformer. The
teacher said "Just wait a few years. You won't hear it anymore!"
-Paul

From:	Matthew Russotto
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:43:34 -0600

In article <1106082997.167733.221310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
>
>Michael J. Mahon wrote:
>> Paul (carbide@egine.com) wrote:
>>
>>
>> From what I know about me, I suspect that the median age of
>> the Apple II community is getting to the point where anything
>> beyond 10kHz is just for politeness. ;-)
>>
>
>Heh heh! I hadn't considered that, but you definitely lose the high
>freqs with age. I remember taking an electronics class when in my 20's.
>Someone complained about the whine from a TV flyback xformer. The
>teacher said "Just wait a few years. You won't hear it anymore!"

I'm 33 and I can still hear it. Not enough rock concerts in my youth,
I imagine.

From:	Michael J. Mahon
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	19 Jan 2005 17:18:41 GMT

Matthew Russotto wrote:

>In article <1106082997.167733.221310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> wrote:
>>
>>Michael J. Mahon wrote:
>>> Paul (carbide@egine.com) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From what I know about me, I suspect that the median age of
>>> the Apple II community is getting to the point where anything
>>> beyond 10kHz is just for politeness. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>Heh heh! I hadn't considered that, but you definitely lose the high
>>freqs with age. I remember taking an electronics class when in my 20's.
>>Someone complained about the whine from a TV flyback xformer. The
>>teacher said "Just wait a few years. You won't hear it anymore!"
>
>I'm 33 and I can still hear it. Not enough rock concerts in my youth,
>I imagine.

Wait another 20 years! ;-)

I used to hear flybacks, too.

Then I enjoyed Blue Cheer in concert...

Of course, my youthful days of pounding piles of potassium chlorate
and sulfur mixture with a hammer have probably had some cumulative
effect, too. ;-)

"Boys love noise."

-michael

New Applesoft BASIC interface for NadaNet networking!
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

From:	Exegete
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:29:45 -0600

Michael J. Mahon wrote:

> Matthew Russotto wrote:
>
>
>>In article <1106082997.167733.221310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Michael J. Mahon wrote:
>>>
>>>>Paul (carbide@egine.com) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From what I know about me, I suspect that the median age of
>>>>the Apple II community is getting to the point where anything
>>>>beyond 10kHz is just for politeness. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Heh heh! I hadn't considered that, but you definitely lose the high
>>>freqs with age. I remember taking an electronics class when in my 20's.
>>>Someone complained about the whine from a TV flyback xformer. The
>>>teacher said "Just wait a few years. You won't hear it anymore!"
>>
>>I'm 33 and I can still hear it. Not enough rock concerts in my youth,
>>I imagine.
>
>
> Wait another 20 years! ;-)
>
> I used to hear flybacks, too.
>
> Then I enjoyed Blue Cheer in concert...

Now there's a band one hasn't heard of in a while...

Summer Time Blues!

Roy

>
> Of course, my youthful days of pounding piles of potassium chlorate
> and sulfur mixture with a hammer have probably had some cumulative
> effect, too. ;-)
>
> "Boys love noise."
>
> -michael
>
> New Applesoft BASIC interface for NadaNet networking!
> Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

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From:	GarberStreet
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:59:05 -0500

Exegete wrote in message
news:41eea79e$1_1@127.0.0.1...
: Michael J. Mahon wrote:
:
: > Matthew Russotto wrote:
: >
: >
: >>In article <1106082997.167733.221310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>>Michael J. Mahon wrote:
: >>>
: >>>>Paul (carbide@egine.com) wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>From what I know about me, I suspect that the median age of
: >>>>the Apple II community is getting to the point where anything
: >>>>beyond 10kHz is just for politeness. ;-)
: >>>>
: >>>
: >>>Heh heh! I hadn't considered that, but you definitely lose the high
: >>>freqs with age. I remember taking an electronics class when in my 20's.
: >>>Someone complained about the whine from a TV flyback xformer. The
: >>>teacher said "Just wait a few years. You won't hear it anymore!"
: >>
: >>I'm 33 and I can still hear it. Not enough rock concerts in my youth,
: >>I imagine.
: >
: >
: > Wait another 20 years! ;-)
: >
: > I used to hear flybacks, too.
: >
: > Then I enjoyed Blue Cheer in concert...
:
: Now there's a band one hasn't heard of in a while...
:
: Summer Time Blues!
:
: Roy

Not to mention the many renditions by other artists. :o)

Apple II Forever, and Apple II Together,
Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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From:	Simon Williams
Subject:	Re: Apple ][ Boogie - mp3 music online
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:25:07 GMT

> > Then I enjoyed Blue Cheer in concert...
>
> Now there's a band one hasn't heard of in a while...

I recall back in '81 or so, a friend of mine heard the urban myth about
the label of that album being a giant hit of acid. He tried licking his
brother's record, but got caught (and subsequently beat up) before
managing to get too high.

-s

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