 | | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:39:16 GMT |
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 | %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
Serious inquiries only please.
Replies to this message will not be received.
Contact info is at the URL.
BR,
OPCOM
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| | From: | Mark Crispin | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:37:31 -0800 |
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| On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, CJT wrote:
> I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
> an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
> who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
> probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.
I have to agree -- unless a museum is interested in the entire collection,
it would be better to break it up. There are pieces that collectors would
find quite desirable, but taking the entire lot is more than most can bite
off.
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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| | From: | Jan van Mastbergen | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:02:38 +0100 |
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| Stupid question perhaps but have you considered HP?
Jan van Mastbergen
"patrick jankowiak" wrote in message
news:UNkId.22036$iC4.14857@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM
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| | From: | Bill Gunshannon | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 16:01:22 GMT |
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|
| In article <41F3196B.4080708@swbell.net>,
patrick jankowiak writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>> In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>>>including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>>>Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>>>on thier website.
>>>>
>>>>bill
>>>>
>>>
>>>Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>>>Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>>>discussed in a forum.
>>>
>>>Thanks Bill.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
>> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
>> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
>> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
>> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
>> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
>> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
>> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
>> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>>
>> bill
>>
>
> I have some experience with such entities. Unless permanent space
> is allocated, items are often eventually disposed of
> unceremoniously and in an ugly manner. I witnessed this at the
> "texas broadcast museum". The volunteers were suddenly locked
> out, and the BOD privately sold off many assets to line their
> own pockets, and the stuff that was too big to sell was trashed
> (including the Voice of America broadcasting console and an
> ancient 5000 watt RCA AM transmitter) and the place now converted
> to guided tours hands-off, beginning and ending in the gift shop
> which had been the tech lab where exhibits were serviced.. May
> the BOD rot for that disgrace.
>
> I am not saying that's what would happen, but I am concerned for
> the future of our historical charges and the legacy they bespeak.
>
That can happen no matter where the items go, as should be
evident given the history of the Boston Computer Museum.
I am configdent that so long as I could continue to garner
corportate sponsorship in the form of small (small to any
real corporation) grants to cover operating expenses like
payroll for the workers/curators [mostly drawn from the
ranks of students which would a) keep the cost down,
b) make the operation even more in-line with the mission
of the University, and c) provide experience and learning
to the students that I personally think would be invaluable]
and acquisition of additional exhibits, keeping space would
not be a problem.
bill
--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include
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| | From: | Bill Gunshannon | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 15:04:18 GMT |
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| In article <41F31B4C.9030206@swbell.net>,
patrick jankowiak writes:
> John Smith wrote:
>
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>>In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>>Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>
>>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>>>>Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>>>>including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>>>>Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>>>>on thier website.
>>>>>
>>>>>bill
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>>>>Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>>>>discussed in a forum.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Bill.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
>>>for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
>>>few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
>>>the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
>>>don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
>>>My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
>>>come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
>>>make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
>>>guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Smithsonian ought to be interested in something like this.
>>
>>
> I just shot them an e-mail.
I doubt they are interested and I wouldn't trust them with it
even if they said they were.
bill
--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include
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| | From: | Bill Gunshannon | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 17:09:31 GMT |
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| In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
Keith Cayemberg writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>
>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>> on thier website.
>>
>> bill
>>
> Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
> Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
> discussed in a forum.
>
> Thanks Bill.
>
I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
bill
--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include
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| | From: | John Smith | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:53:33 -0500 |
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| Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>> http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>> on thier website.
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>> Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>> Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>> discussed in a forum.
>>
>> Thanks Bill.
>>
>
> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
The Smithsonian ought to be interested in something like this.
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:35:00 GMT |
|
|
| John Smith wrote:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>>In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>>>Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>>>including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>>>Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>>>on thier website.
>>>>
>>>>bill
>>>>
>>>
>>>Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>>>Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>>>discussed in a forum.
>>>
>>>Thanks Bill.
>>>
>>
>>I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
>>for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
>>few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
>>the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
>>don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
>>My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
>>come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
>>make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
>>guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>
>
>
> The Smithsonian ought to be interested in something like this.
>
>
I just shot them an e-mail.
Patrick
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:27:01 GMT |
|
|
| Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <41f284c5$0$812$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>
>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>>>including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>>>Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>>>on thier website.
>>>
>>>bill
>>>
>>
>>Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
>>Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
>>discussed in a forum.
>>
>>Thanks Bill.
>>
>
>
> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>
> bill
>
I have some experience with such entities. Unless permanent space
is allocated, items are often eventually disposed of
unceremoniously and in an ugly manner. I witnessed this at the
"texas broadcast museum". The volunteers were suddenly locked
out, and the BOD privately sold off many assets to line their
own pockets, and the stuff that was too big to sell was trashed
(including the Voice of America broadcasting console and an
ancient 5000 watt RCA AM transmitter) and the place now converted
to guided tours hands-off, beginning and ending in the gift shop
which had been the tech lab where exhibits were serviced.. May
the BOD rot for that disgrace.
I am not saying that's what would happen, but I am concerned for
the future of our historical charges and the legacy they bespeak.
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
OPCOM
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:40:54 GMT |
|
|
| Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>
> bill
>
Bill,
I wish we could do this. There's a hell of a datacenter here just waiting to be unzipped. It's what we wanted.. (makes me want to listen to "all we ever wanted" by Bauhaus) Man I am trying to keep a good mindset but this step is
getting me down. It has to be done though.
OPCOM
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| | From: | John Smith | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:24:05 -0500 |
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| patrick jankowiak wrote:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
>> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
>> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
>> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
>> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
>> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
>> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
>> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
>> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
>>
>> bill
>>
>
> Bill,
>
> I wish we could do this. There's a hell of a datacenter here just
> waiting to be unzipped. It's what we wanted.. (makes me want to
> listen to "all we ever wanted" by Bauhaus) Man I am trying to keep a
> good mindset but this step is getting me down. It has to be done
> though.
Maybe there's an unused hanger at Davis Monthan AFB (the "Boneyard") in
Arizona that the collection can be housed in :-) or Area 51 ;-)
Or maybe Hollywood would want them to use in a sci-fi movie.....sort of like
the scene in 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' where Flight 19's planes
emerge out of the swirling sandstorm.....
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| | From: | Morten Reistad | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:01:38 GMT |
|
|
| In article <41F31CAE.6000803@swbell.net>,
patrick jankowiak wrote:
>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I have wanted to start a computer museum here at the University
>> for a long time. I figured if I could get commitments from a
>> few corporations for operating funds I could probably convince
>> the University to give me the necessary space. But I really
>> don't know how to go about finding corporate sponsers. :-(
>> My idea is to have a real hands on facility where people can
>> come in and actually play with the equipment. I would also
>> make as much of it as I could available on the INTERNET with
>> guest accounts. But, I'm probably just dreaming again.
Corporate sponsors are just as shallow. We need to come up
with a workable museum first.
>
>I wish we could do this. There's a hell of a datacenter here just waiting to be unzipped. It's what we wanted.. (makes me
>want to listen to "all we ever wanted" by Bauhaus) Man I am trying to keep a good mindset but this step is
> getting me down. It has to be done though.
>
>OPCOM
A computer museum will need large amounts of space; as well as
access to largish amounts of energy when someone decides to run
the machines. Much can be mocked up for the standard visitor, using
emulators to show software on the correct terminals. But machines
must be kept intact. We also have the issue of documentation.
Such space fast becomes the major problem. It cannot be in or very
near major cities, because land is too expensive there. And the scale
of this is big enough for a full theme park.
So why not do this?
Make a theme park around technology development and preservation.
Remember that the audience is a premium one for many locations.
The nerds or wannabees that visit such places have above average
income, are not very inclined to boozing and gambling, and tend
to leave the facilities without damage.
It will have to be located somewhere outside the mainstream, and
must be the magnet for people itself. Just like Disney World.
-- mrr
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| | From: | Keith Cayemberg | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:23:27 +0100 |
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| patrick jankowiak wrote:
> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM
Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
History of computing organizations
http://vmoc.museophile.org/#orgs
Computer History Association of California (CHAC)
http://www.chac.org/chac/
Computer History Museum
http://www.computerhistory.org/
Computer Museum of America
http://www.computer-museum.org/
American Computer Museum
http://www.compustory.com/
University of Virginia Computer Science: Computer Museum
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html
University of Amsterdam Computer Museum
http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/
Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute
http://www.blinkenlights.com/
VintageTech
http://www.vintagetech.com/
ClassicCmp
http://www.classiccmp.org/
Deutsches Museum, München
http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum
http://www.hnf.de/
MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
http://www.tcm.org/
The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc.
http://www.osfn.org/rcs/
Science Museum - London
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
The Jefferson Computer Museum
http://www.threedee.com/jcm/
Cheers!
Keith Cayemberg
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:17:30 GMT |
|
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| I have not contacted all of those, I will try to contact them.
Thanks,
OPCOM
Keith Cayemberg wrote:
> patrick jankowiak wrote:
>
>> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>
>> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>
>> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>
>> Serious inquiries only please.
>> Replies to this message will not be received.
>> Contact info is at the URL.
>>
>> BR,
>> OPCOM
>
>
>
> Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
> rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
> find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
>
>
> History of computing organizations
> http://vmoc.museophile.org/#orgs
>
> Computer History Association of California (CHAC)
> http://www.chac.org/chac/
>
> Computer History Museum
> http://www.computerhistory.org/
>
> Computer Museum of America
> http://www.computer-museum.org/
>
> American Computer Museum
> http://www.compustory.com/
>
> University of Virginia Computer Science: Computer Museum
> http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/museum.html
>
> University of Amsterdam Computer Museum
> http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/
>
> Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute
> http://www.blinkenlights.com/
>
> VintageTech
> http://www.vintagetech.com/
>
> ClassicCmp
> http://www.classiccmp.org/
>
> Deutsches Museum, München
> http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
>
> HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum
> http://www.hnf.de/
>
> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
> http://www.tcm.org/
>
> The Retro-Computing Society of RI, Inc.
> http://www.osfn.org/rcs/
>
> Science Museum - London
> http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
>
> The Jefferson Computer Museum
> http://www.threedee.com/jcm/
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Keith Cayemberg
>
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| | From: | Michael Unger | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:53:01 +0100 |
|
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| On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:
> Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
> rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
> find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
>
> [...]
>
> Deutsches Museum, München
> http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> [...]
Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course
running their own web server ...
Michael
--
Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.
My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.
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| | From: | Keith Cayemberg | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:46 +0100 |
|
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| Michael Unger wrote:
> On 2005-01-22 12:23, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:
>
>
>>Have you contacted the computer museum community? Although many
>>rely on donations, by such a collection, they might even try to
>>find a sponsor (or sponsors) to acquire the collection for them.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Deutsches Museum, München
>>http://www.weller.to/mus/mus_dm.htm
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>[...]
>
>
> Where did you see _that_ URL?? They ("Deutsches Museum") are of course
> running their own web server ...
>
>
>
> Michael
>
OOPS!
K.C.
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| | From: | Christian Corti | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:40:31 +0100 |
|
|
| In alt.sys.pdp11 Keith Cayemberg wrote:
> HNF - Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum
> http://www.hnf.de/
Don't give anything to them if you don't want it to be put somewhere in
a corner or in the cellar and be handled by a staff that really doesn't
know what they have. Even though they have lots of money they are not what
a real computer museum should be (having technical staff, being able to
repair and operate the machines, etc.). As the name implies they are
more a forum for social events (conferences etc.) than a museum.
Christian
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| | From: | VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:58:59 GMT |
|
|
| In article , patrick jankowiak writes:
>%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
>Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
>http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
>Serious inquiries only please.
>Replies to this message will not be received.
>Contact info is at the URL.
>
>BR,
>OPCOM
Could I pay you to ship me DECtalk rack back?
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:12:20 GMT |
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| VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article , patrick jankowiak writes:
>
>>%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>>Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>
>>Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>
>>http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>
>>Serious inquiries only please.
>>Replies to this message will not be received.
>>Contact info is at the URL.
>>
>>BR,
>>OPCOM
>
>
> Could I pay you to ship me DECtalk rack back?
>
Yes. Please send your receiving information to the e-mail
address shown at:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
Anyone who has donated something is welcome to ask it back.
It is only fair and there is no issue.
I may not be able to reliably monitor these newsgroups
and therefore not receive messages from them or reply
in an efficient manner, so anyone wishing to contact
me for any reason, to ask something back, say hello,
whatever, should use the contact info on the web page at:
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
I would also like to say that if anyone within the DEC
community has a better idea of how to handle and preserve this
collection I am open to suggestions. I would prefer it,
as would have John Wisniewski and the other principals,
to be shown in a museum. It was our intent.
No course of action is set in stone.
BR,
Opcom / Patrick Jankowiak
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| | From: | Bill Gunshannon | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 21:49:42 GMT |
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| In article ,
"Jan van Mastbergen" writes:
> Stupid question perhaps but have you considered HP?
Sure send it to HP. That's probably the quickest way to get it into
a landfill. They don't see any value in their current no Windows
technology. How much value do you think they would place on old
equipment like VAXen, or PDP's?
bill
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| | From: | Bill Gunshannon | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 16:10:04 GMT |
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| In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
Keith Cayemberg writes:
>
>
> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
> http://www.tcm.org/
>
Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
on thier website.
bill
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| | From: | Keith Cayemberg | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:52:20 +0100 |
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| Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>
>>
>>MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>http://www.tcm.org/
>>
>
>
> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
> on thier website.
>
> bill
>
Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
discussed in a forum.
Thanks Bill.
Cheer!
Keith Cayemberg
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:19:05 GMT |
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| Thanks for the update.
Is nothing sacred?
OPCOM
Keith Cayemberg wrote:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>
>> In article <41f237b0$0$821$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>,
>> Keith Cayemberg writes:
>>
>>>
>>> MoS | Museum of Science, Boston
>>> http://www.tcm.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this the place that trashed all their real computer stuff
>> including stuff that had been donated by people like Dennis
>> Ritchie? I sure didn't see anything vintage computer related
>> on thier website.
>>
>> bill
>>
> Could be. That is maybe why they are no longer call themselves "The
> Computer Museum" (TCM). Then it is good that such proposals are
> discussed in a forum.
>
> Thanks Bill.
>
> Cheer!
>
> Keith Cayemberg
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| | From: | CJT | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:34:49 GMT |
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| patrick jankowiak wrote:
> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM
I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:13:41 GMT |
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| Nothing sacred will be scrapped.
OPCOM
CJT wrote:
> patrick jankowiak wrote:
>
>> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>
>> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>
>> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>
>> Serious inquiries only please.
>> Replies to this message will not be received.
>> Contact info is at the URL.
>>
>> BR,
>> OPCOM
>
>
> I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
> an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
> who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
> probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.
>
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| | From: | CJT | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:23:07 GMT |
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| patrick jankowiak wrote:
> Nothing sacred will be scrapped.
I'm glad to hear that.
I don't know the best way to do it, but perhaps selling a fraction
of the items could fund placement of the rest in a suitable facility
at a university or similar institution.
>
> OPCOM
>
> CJT wrote:
>
>> patrick jankowiak wrote:
>>
>>> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
>>> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>>>
>>> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>>>
>>> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>>>
>>> Serious inquiries only please.
>>> Replies to this message will not be received.
>>> Contact info is at the URL.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>> OPCOM
>>
>>
>>
>> I've always wanted a PDP-8 like the one I learned on (perhaps it was
>> an 8/e), but I doubt there are many people other than scrap dealers
>> who are in a position to take all that as one lot. Which means it'll
>> probably end up being destroyed -- a real shame, IMHO.
>>
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| | From: | patrick jankowiak | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:58:16 GMT |
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| May I ask those interested in this discussion
to make sure to CC or post comments relating
to this thread to the comp.os.vms newsgroup?
I do not mean to impose, but as the point of
contact for the collection, I do want to
read every comment because I value all of
the opinions of the DEC community, and I
have limited access to the groups.
I think comp.os.vms is the most widely
available (If I am wrong please correct me,
it's been a log time since I have done news).
Patrick J.
patrick jankowiak wrote:
> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
>
> BR,
> OPCOM
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| | From: | Michael Unger | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:27:25 +0100 |
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| On 2005-01-23 04:58, "patrick jankowiak" wrote:
> May I ask those interested in this discussion
> to make sure to CC or post comments relating
> to this thread to the comp.os.vms newsgroup?
[fup2 comp.os.vms done]
> [...]
>
> I think comp.os.vms is the most widely
> available (If I am wrong please correct me,
> it's been a log time since I have done news).
"Info-VAX" is still available if you don't have direct access to news
groups ...
> [...]
Michael
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| | From: | prep at prep.synonet.com | | Subject: | Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:59:55 +0800 |
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| patrick jankowiak writes:
> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM, <21-JAN-2005 22:21:50.00> %%%%%%%%%%%
> Device DEC$MUSEUM: DFWCUG_HCPS has been dismounted.
>
> Normally would not post for sale but this is special.
>
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
>
> Serious inquiries only please.
> Replies to this message will not be received.
> Contact info is at the URL.
This should be posted to Alt.folklaw.computers...
Be nice to recover it to here, but space and shipping cost!!
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