Hi,

I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is usual,
there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way overpriced,
so I'm looking at getting one from the UK.

The phone itself will work I'm sure, but I was wondering whether anyone
here has a UK sourced phone who can confirm that the Caller ID (CLID)
feature on such a phone will work over here. I've Google'd till I'm blue
in the face, and all I can find is that Ireland uses some ETSI standard
for CLID. I'm assuming that the UK do the same , but I'd like to confirm
this first.

TIA

--
Alun

From:	Cardinal Chunder
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:32:55 +0000

Alun Saunders wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is usual,
> there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way overpriced,
> so I'm looking at getting one from the UK.
>
> The phone itself will work I'm sure, but I was wondering whether anyone
> here has a UK sourced phone who can confirm that the Caller ID (CLID)
> feature on such a phone will work over here. I've Google'd till I'm blue
> in the face, and all I can find is that Ireland uses some ETSI standard
> for CLID. I'm assuming that the UK do the same , but I'd like to confirm
> this first.
>
> TIA
>

It works on my BT branded phone which even has a UK style phone jack and
uses an adapter. Some phones can even do SMS these days which sounds
like a cute feature assuming it's not too expensive.

Argos, Roches and online retailers like Viking Direct have a fair range
of phones to choose from.

From:	Brian
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:23:17 -0000

"Cardinal Chunder" wrote in message
news:cruani08r7@news3.newsguy.com...
> Alun Saunders wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is usual,
>> there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way overpriced, so
>> I'm looking at getting one from the UK.
>>
>> The phone itself will work I'm sure, but I was wondering whether anyone
>> here has a UK sourced phone who can confirm that the Caller ID (CLID)
>> feature on such a phone will work over here. I've Google'd till I'm blue
>> in the face, and all I can find is that Ireland uses some ETSI standard
>> for CLID. I'm assuming that the UK do the same , but I'd like to confirm
>> this first.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>
> It works on my BT branded phone which even has a UK style phone jack and
> uses an adapter. Some phones can even do SMS these days which sounds like
> a cute feature assuming it's not too expensive.
>
> Argos, Roches and online retailers like Viking Direct have a fair range of
> phones to choose from.

Woodies have a siemens handset that I picked up. Only 29.99 and it had 30%
off....It's a gigaset A11 if that's any use to you.

Brian.

From:	Timothy Murphy
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:31:35 +0000

Alun Saunders wrote:

> I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is usual,
> there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way overpriced,
> so I'm looking at getting one from the UK.

Have you looked at Aldi and Lidl?
They have had quite cheap DECT phones recently.

> The phone itself will work I'm sure, but I was wondering whether anyone
> here has a UK sourced phone who can confirm that the Caller ID (CLID)
> feature on such a phone will work over here.

I have 3 BT phones I bought on eBay (BT Trio)
and caller-ID works OK on them.

I also had 2 German Siemens DECT phones before,
and caller-ID worked on these.
They were actually the best DECT phones I've had,
but both died after about 2 years.

The Eircom DECT phone is a Siemens phone.
It is very good, in my opinion, but greatly over-priced.
You can almost certainly buy the same phone (Gigaset)
more cheaply from Germany.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

From:	Alun Saunders
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:42:12 +0000

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Alun Saunders wrote:
>> I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is
>> usual, there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way
>> overpriced, so I'm looking at getting one from the UK.
>
> Have you looked at Aldi and Lidl? They have had quite cheap DECT
> phones recently.

They tend to be pretty low-end though. Features like the phonebook tend
to pretty restricted and quite crude. Some aren't GAP compatible etc.
etc. Plus they're usually only either single or twin packs without the
possibility to get a matching additional handset.

>> The phone itself will work I'm sure, but I was wondering whether
>> anyone here has a UK sourced phone who can confirm that the Caller
>> ID (CLID) feature on such a phone will work over here.
>
> I have 3 BT phones I bought on eBay (BT Trio) and caller-ID works OK
> on them.
>
> I also had 2 German Siemens DECT phones before, and caller-ID worked
> on these. They were actually the best DECT phones I've had, but both
> died after about 2 years.

That's good news.

We've got a very old Philips DECT twin set at the moment, but it isn't
GAP compatible (meaning we can't add an arbitrary manufacturer's GAP
compatible handset) and we can't get hold of an extra handset for it.

> The Eircom DECT phone is a Siemens phone. It is very good, in my
> opinion, but greatly over-priced. You can almost certainly buy the
> same phone (Gigaset) more cheaply from Germany.

I'd already discounted them :) They're really taking the piss with those
prices.

--
Alun

From:	Des O'Donoghue
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:38:57 +0000

Alun Saunders wrote:

> Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
>> Alun Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is
>>> usual, there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way
>>> overpriced, so I'm looking at getting one from the UK.
>>
>>
>> Have you looked at Aldi and Lidl? They have had quite cheap DECT
>> phones recently.
>
>
> They tend to be pretty low-end though. Features like the phonebook tend
> to pretty restricted and quite crude. Some aren't GAP compatible etc.
> etc.

GAP compatibility seems to be on a basic level - eg just allowing the
handset operate on your home network. I have a few siemens units and
they won't transfer their phonebooks even though they have the feature
but are different models.

that said I think the Siemens are the job ! And eBay or somewhere else
is your man to get them...

I have had corkless units bought in France, Germany and the UK and all
have operated ok with CLI.

From:	Alun Saunders
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:58:43 +0000

Des O'Donoghue wrote:

>> They tend to be pretty low-end though. Features like the phonebook tend
>> to pretty restricted and quite crude. Some aren't GAP compatible etc.
>> etc.
>
> GAP compatibility seems to be on a basic level - eg just allowing the
> handset operate on your home network. I have a few siemens units and
> they won't transfer their phonebooks even though they have the feature
> but are different models.
>
> that said I think the Siemens are the job ! And eBay or somewhere else
> is your man to get them...
>
> I have had cordless units bought in France, Germany and the UK and all
> have operated ok with CLI.

I wasn't aware that GAP compatibility also included the possibility of
transferring phonebooks, I thought it was just to do with being able to
register handsets from different manufacturers. I hadn't seen it in any
of the downloadable manuals I'd managed to find on the internet, but it
would be damn useful with 3 handsets!

--
ALun

From:	Des O'Donoghue
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:52 +0000

Alun Saunders wrote:

> Des O'Donoghue wrote:
>
>>> They tend to be pretty low-end though. Features like the phonebook tend
>>> to pretty restricted and quite crude. Some aren't GAP compatible etc.
>>> etc.
>>
>>
>> GAP compatibility seems to be on a basic level - eg just allowing the
>> handset operate on your home network. I have a few siemens units and
>> they won't transfer their phonebooks even though they have the feature
>> but are different models.
>>
>> that said I think the Siemens are the job ! And eBay or somewhere else
>> is your man to get them...
>>
>> I have had cordless units bought in France, Germany and the UK and all
>> have operated ok with CLI.
>
>
> I wasn't aware that GAP compatibility also included the possibility of
> transferring phonebooks, I thought it was just to do with being able to
> register handsets from different manufacturers. I hadn't seen it in any
> of the downloadable manuals I'd managed to find on the internet, but it
> would be damn useful with 3 handsets!
>

Oops.. may have misled you ! Some of the Siemens range have that ability
and indeed their manuals talk about how to integrate them into different
networks and I would have thought that if the all have the feature then
the feature could be used across the network but it seems not to be. So
I suppose I thought that Siemens would have implemented GAP and a wee
bit extra on top for their own phones..

Anyways the 4110 comfort has the phonebook feature - its about 2 years
old now so maybe they are going cheap somewhere (as distinct from going
ringring)

From:	Cerumen
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:29:00 -0000

"Alun Saunders" wrote in message
news:10u4qse96k990e3@news.supernews.com...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking at getting a 3 handset DECT phone setup and, as is usual,
> there's bugger all to be had here and what there is is way overpriced,
> so I'm looking at getting one from the UK.
>
> The phone itself will work I'm sure, but I was wondering whether anyone
> here has a UK sourced phone who can confirm that the Caller ID (CLID)
> feature on such a phone will work over here. I've Google'd till I'm blue
> in the face, and all I can find is that Ireland uses some ETSI standard
> for CLID. I'm assuming that the UK do the same , but I'd like to confirm
> this first.
>
I can only confirm that my "stand alone" caller display unit works in both
UK and here (it was bought in UK) but that does not really answer the
question as far as the handset you are considering. Will the suppliers not
tell you?

--

Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

From:	Alun Saunders
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:18 +0000

Cerumen wrote:
> "Alun Saunders" wrote in message

> I can only confirm that my "stand alone" caller display unit works in both
> UK and here (it was bought in UK) but that does not really answer the
> question as far as the handset you are considering. Will the suppliers not
> tell you?

I assume the circuitry inside a phone with caller display is the same as
that in a standalone caller display box, so that puts my mind at rest.

I've tried contacting a few by email but have had conflicting answers so
far.

--
Alun

From:	Snowbat
Subject:	Re: Caller display and UK phones
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:56:31 -0200

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:18 +0000, Alun Saunders wrote:

> Cerumen wrote:
>> "Alun Saunders" wrote in message
>
>> I can only confirm that my "stand alone" caller display unit works in both
>> UK and here (it was bought in UK) but that does not really answer the
>> question as far as the handset you are considering. Will the suppliers not
>> tell you?
>
> I assume the circuitry inside a phone with caller display is the same as
> that in a standalone caller display box, so that puts my mind at rest.
>
> I've tried contacting a few by email but have had conflicting answers so
> far.

http://www.ainslie.org.uk/callerid/cli_faq.htm#Q_6 gives an overview of
caller-id standards and points out there are three in use in the UK,
the CCA format being similar to (compatible with?) the system used in Ireland.