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 | | From: | Anthony | | Subject: | Ireland's Shame?! | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:47:53 +0000 |
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 | A JEWISH human rights organisation has called for the vandalised statue
of IRA leader Sean Russell to be left unrestored in a Dublin park as a
symbol of Ireland's "shame" for staying neutral in World War Two.
Russell spent some time in Germany during the war, acting as an adviser
to the Hitler regime. His supporters ... say he was pro-German only
because that country was at war with Britain.
Trained in sabotage techniques near Berlin, Russell's mission at the
time of his death was to foster a coup in Ireland and to attack British
military installations in the North.
His statue in Fairview Park was recently left headless and
responsibility was claimed by an youths claiming to be anti-fascists.
The Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Paris has called for it to be left
unrestored as an enduring symbol of Ireland's "shame."
Shimon Samuels, director for international affairs at thecentre, the
world's largest Jewish human rights organisation, said: "It's a blot on
the history of Ireland, but blots have to see the public light... We're
not iconoclasts but I think the destruction of something like this has a
meaning, and we would ask for it to be left there as a lesson of what
Irish neutrality was all about."
The Irish National Graves Association (INGA), which takes care of the
memorials of republicans across the country, said it had received many
letters of outrage and donations over the desecration.
Matt Doyle, secretary of the INGA, said the association was working to
repair or replace the badly damaged memorial with the support of the family.
“The family were obviously upset. Russell was buried at sea so there is
no grave, so this gave some solace to the family,” Mr Doyle said.
Nuremburg War Crimes Trial witness Erwin Lahousen, who had been the key
figure in an aborted pre-war plot to assassinate Hitler, said Russell
completely disagreed with Nazi philosophy and had blasted their attempts
to convert him.
Mr Lahousen said the republican leader wanted help to achieve
independence but stressed there must be no strings attached.
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| | From: | Howard9 | | Subject: | Re: Ireland's Shame?! | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:28:08 -0000 |
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| In article ,
anthonynixon@eircom.net says...
> A JEWISH human rights organisation has called for the vandalised statue
> of IRA leader Sean Russell to be left unrestored in a Dublin park as a
> symbol of Ireland's "shame" for staying neutral in World War Two.
>
Indeed it is one of the most shameful acts in the history of our State.
An act of cynical and amoral indifference that has and will continue to
cast a shadow over our people for many decades to come.
We should at least make some attempt to atone for this appalling act by
erecting some kind of monument and also start taking part in the annual
celebration of the courageous Irishmen that defied this pitiful cynicism
to fight against the same Nazis that the Irish Government sympathised
with.
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Howard
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| | From: | Uthur | | Subject: | Re: Ireland's Shame?! | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:02:07 -0000 |
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| (Nasty top post ahoy)
Ireland's shame my hole! The Irish of today should feel no more shame
over the nefarious activities of that tosser than modern Germans should
feel over the crimes of the Nazi's circa 1945. This is just utter utter
irrational horseshit. It is illogical and impossible to ask one person to
feel shame for the immoral actions of another. To quote Roy Keane - they
can stick it up their bollox!
You could make a better case that they should be ashamed for the criminal
acts of Israel, or the nefarious activities of French troops still stationed
in parts of Africa - at least that is happening today. But I wouldn't even
make that case - it is still horshit. One person should *never* be asked to feel
shame over the actions of another - be they the same nationality, religion
or even a blood relation. I reckon Bertie should publically tell them to fuck
off.
Uthur
"Anthony" wrote in message
news:d39Gd.45653$Z14.25201@news.indigo.ie...
>A JEWISH human rights organisation has called for the vandalised statue of IRA leader Sean Russell to be left unrestored in a
>Dublin park as a symbol of Ireland's "shame" for staying neutral in World War Two.
>
> Russell spent some time in Germany during the war, acting as an adviser to the Hitler regime. His supporters ... say he was
> pro-German only because that country was at war with Britain.
>
> Trained in sabotage techniques near Berlin, Russell's mission at the time of his death was to foster a coup in Ireland and to
> attack British military installations in the North.
>
> His statue in Fairview Park was recently left headless and responsibility was claimed by an youths claiming to be anti-fascists.
>
> The Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Paris has called for it to be left unrestored as an enduring symbol of Ireland's "shame."
>
> Shimon Samuels, director for international affairs at thecentre, the world's largest Jewish human rights organisation, said: "It's
> a blot on the history of Ireland, but blots have to see the public light... We're not iconoclasts but I think the destruction of
> something like this has a meaning, and we would ask for it to be left there as a lesson of what Irish neutrality was all about."
>
> The Irish National Graves Association (INGA), which takes care of the memorials of republicans across the country, said it had
> received many letters of outrage and donations over the desecration.
>
> Matt Doyle, secretary of the INGA, said the association was working to repair or replace the badly damaged memorial with the
> support of the family.
>
> "The family were obviously upset. Russell was buried at sea so there is no grave, so this gave some solace to the family," Mr
> Doyle said.
>
> Nuremburg War Crimes Trial witness Erwin Lahousen, who had been the key figure in an aborted pre-war plot to assassinate Hitler,
> said Russell completely disagreed with Nazi philosophy and had blasted their attempts to convert him.
>
> Mr Lahousen said the republican leader wanted help to achieve independence but stressed there must be no strings attached.
>
>
>
>
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| | From: | Anthony | | Subject: | Re: Ireland's Shame?! | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:41 +0000 |
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| Uthur wrote:
>... One person should *never* be asked to feel
> shame over the actions of another - be they the same nationality, religion
> or even a blood relation. I reckon Bertie should publically tell them to fuck
> off.
>
> Uthur
Well, you know Bertie... he's more likely to apologise to them and blame
Sinn Fein (as usual).
But you are right when you say "One person should never be asked to feel
shame over the actions of another". After all, who in this day and age
would ask the Jews to feel shame over the crucifixion?
I really wish Bertie Ahern would have some backbone and tell the
blockheads at the "Simon Wiesenthal Centre" to go fuck themselves. I
looked up Wiesenthal.com and was disgusted at the politically-motivated
headlines on their website. (Below) In particular, they defend Israel
actions in occupied Palestine and condemn the UN and EU countries for
criticising Israel.
After doing some reading up on it I have concluded that it is
essentially a Zionist organisation that flouts the holocaust for its own
political reasons, but under the guise of promoting tolerance.
--
Here are some of the headlines:
"FOR ISRAELIS-EVERYDAY IS 9/11"
"Revoke Yasser Arafat's Nobel Peace Prize"
"World's Democracies Should Follow U.S. Lead In Combating Global
Antisemitism"
"SWC TO IRISH PRIME MINISTER: EXPEL GREEK RACIST PARTY FROM YOUR
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENTARY GROUP"
"WIESENTHAL CENTER TO IRISH PRESIDENT: EXCLUSION OF ANTISEMITISM FROM UN
RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE RESOLUTION IS TANTAMOUNT TO AN ACT OF ANTISEMITISM"
"IRELANDS WITHDRAWAL OF UN ANTISEMITISM RESOLUTION IS A VICTORY FOR
CAMPAIGN TO ISOLATE AND DELEGITIMIZE THE JEWISH PEOPLE"
"SWC TO IRISH PRIME MINISTER ON HUNT MUSEUM: IRELAND IS THE ONLY WORLD
WAR II NEUTRAL TO HAVE NEVER CONFRONTED ITS DEALINGS WITH NAZI GERMANY"
"ANTISEMITISM AND RACISM AS POLICY IN THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY"
"ISRAEL'S HONOR AND SOUL SHOULD NOT BE UP FOR GRABS" (an article on why
East Jerusalem should "remain" part of Israel.)
"SWC URGES CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO TAKE A STRONG STAND AGAINST EQUATING
ZIONISM WITH RACISM"
"BUSH ADMINISTRATION RIGHT TO CONSIDER BOYCOTT OF UN CONFERENCE"
"SWC CONDEMNS EUROPEAN NATIONS DECISION TO TAKE IN PALESTINIAN MILITANTS
AS REFUGEES"
"BERLIN LEGITIMIZES ANTISEMITIC TERRORISTS IN BEIRUT"
"YESTERDAY EUROPEAN JEWS, TODAY THE STATE OF ISRAEL - Stop Boycott Of
Israeli Fruit"
"Letter to Mel Gibson: I have been a critic of your film; 'The Passion
of the Christ' which I sincerely believe portrays the Jews in a very
negative manner and can once again stereotype them as being collectively
responsible for the death of Jesus."
"WIESENTHAL CENTER PROTESTS REFUSAL BY IRISH HOTELIER TO HOST ISRAELI
JEWISH GUESTS"
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| | From: | Spartanicus | | Subject: | Re: Ireland's Shame?! | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:55:59 +0000 |
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| Anthony wrote:
[snip]
Please spare ie.general from this type of posts, try
alt.irish.republican or ie.politics
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Spartanicus
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| | From: | Des O'Donoghue | | Subject: | Re: Ireland's Shame?! | | Date: | Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:34:33 +0000 |
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| Anthony wrote:
> A JEWISH human rights organisation has called for the vandalised statue
> of IRA leader Sean Russell to be left unrestored in a Dublin park as a
> symbol of Ireland's "shame" for staying neutral in World War Two.
>
Indeed. What about the numbers of Irish troops killed either by the
Israeli forces in Lebanon or Israeli-backed forces ?
See here for an example:
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0390/D.0390.198905230018.html
Reference to the 45 who died in Lebanon:
http://www.military.ie/pr/07-07-2001.htm
Strange no-one ever targets Sweden for being Neutral...but then again
Sweden is a big customer of Israeli armaments manufacturers - see
http://www.svenska-freds.se/english/2002-SE.pdf
I don't think we have anything to apologise for. Ireland was young and
had been born out of a vicious cycle of violence and had little-or-no
appetite for more. To many people the country allying itself with its
former invader would have been distinctly unpalatable (to say the least).
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