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 | | From: | jackeroo | | Subject: | Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:45:08 GMT |
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 | If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were known
to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
Seems to me the state government fell down, no nets, no patrols, no signs?
So the come out after the event jumping on the sharks so you wont notice
them doing some of the things they ought to have done and havent?
So dont take it out on the sharks? Without proper precautions you might as
well say you are jumping into a sharks mouth at mealtime, and just because
in most cases the shark does not like the taste and spits you out, that you
will always get away with it?
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| | From: | Sylvia Else | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:17:51 +1100 |
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jackeroo wrote:
> If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were known
> to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
Big cats are usually rather wary of humans. Evolution seems to have
taught them that we're dangerous. When a cat does start attacking
humans, it is quite normal for authorities to find it and kill it.
There lots of sharks out there, and lots of humans in the sea. Mostly
the sharks leave the humans alone. If an individual shark starts being
unhealthily interested in humans, then it makes sense to kill it, not
just to eliminate the elevated threat that it represents, but also to
obviate the risk that it will pass its interest in humans on to its
offspring via its genes.
Sylvia.
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| | From: | jackeroo | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he tripedon a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:21:06 GMT |
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"Sylvia Else" wrote in message
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> jackeroo wrote:
> > If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were
known
> > to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
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> Big cats are usually rather wary of humans. Evolution seems to have
> taught them that we're dangerous. When a cat does start attacking
> humans, it is quite normal for authorities to find it and kill it.
Only if the animal shows signs of preferring human prey.
And I've just realized , I dont know what I was watching the other dayon TV
I think it was sharks and cats or somrthing saturday, but this guy who
worked as a guard at some African lion park rode a bike to work and was
attacked. And as they showed the track he rode down at dusk and a shortcut
he decided to take because he could hear the lions in the bush?
If anyone else saw it as I had to take off at that stage.
But I would not have gone down that track except maybe in a car?
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> There lots of sharks out there, and lots of humans in the sea. Mostly
> the sharks leave the humans alone. If an individual shark starts being
> unhealthily interested in humans, then it makes sense to kill it, not
> just to eliminate the elevated threat that it represents, but also to
> obviate the risk that it will pass its interest in humans on to its
> offspring via its genes.
Yeah, good theory, problem is i know of a few occasions when the wrong
shark/s were killed and the real culprit killied years later, if ever.
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> Sylvia.
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| | From: | Henrietta | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he tripedon a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:32:06 +1100 |
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| jackeroo wrote:
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> But I would not have gone down that track except maybe in a car?
This has obvious aspects of AQI, which throws an interesting light on the
author.
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| | From: | Henrietta | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:28:15 +1100 |
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| Sylvia Else wrote:
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> jackeroo wrote:
>> If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were
>> known to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
>
> Big cats are usually rather wary of humans. Evolution seems to have
> taught them that we're dangerous. When a cat does start attacking
> humans, it is quite normal for authorities to find it and kill it.
>
> There lots of sharks out there, and lots of humans in the sea. Mostly
> the sharks leave the humans alone. If an individual shark starts being
> unhealthily interested in humans, then it makes sense to kill it, not
> just to eliminate the elevated threat that it represents, but also to
> obviate the risk that it will pass its interest in humans on to its
> offspring via its genes.
Some of my best friends are sharks. You just leave them alone. Go for
bunyips!
You must be one of them trolls.
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| | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:24:32 GMT |
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| Oh, you've done a survey of sharks to generalise about them leaving humans
alone? It's only when one turns feral, goes "man-eater", that we need
worry? I doubt it; if a shark is hungry, and sees something edible, it'll
go for it. If a white pointer comes inshore, it may be because humans have
reduced its fish stock further out.
Humans hunt all other species; there are no evolutionary restraints on us.
We have latest technology to assist in mass extermination of fish, sharks,
and other species. Only thing which'll slow our predation is when stocks
get exhausted and extinction of other species threatens our own - then it'll
probably be too late.
When a shark or crocodile or lion kills a human, our natural instinct is
to seek revenge; but the animal concerned is only "doing what comes
naturally", not acting out of malice, so why condemn it? We can avoid it,
or remove it to some other location; or build a safe swimming area by using
pylons and wire mesh - but killing an already endangered species?
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"Sylvia Else" wrote in message
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> jackeroo wrote:
> > If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were
known
> > to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
>
> Big cats are usually rather wary of humans. Evolution seems to have
> taught them that we're dangerous. When a cat does start attacking
> humans, it is quite normal for authorities to find it and kill it.
>
> There lots of sharks out there, and lots of humans in the sea. Mostly
> the sharks leave the humans alone. If an individual shark starts being
> unhealthily interested in humans, then it makes sense to kill it, not
> just to eliminate the elevated threat that it represents, but also to
> obviate the risk that it will pass its interest in humans on to its
> offspring via its genes.
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> Sylvia.
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| | From: | Sylvia Else | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:13:41 +1100 |
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Don H wrote:
> Oh, you've done a survey of sharks to generalise about them leaving humans
> alone?
I don't have to do a survey. The inverse assertion immediately leads to
a prediction (lots of humans eaten by sharks) that is manifestly false.
> When a shark or crocodile or lion kills a human, our natural instinct is
> to seek revenge; but the animal concerned is only "doing what comes
> naturally", not acting out of malice, so why condemn it?
The animal is not killled to seek revenge, but simply to prevent that
particular animal from killing a human again. The purpose is not to
punish the animal, so the animal's motivation is not relevant.
Sylvia.
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| | From: | Warren | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:08:05 GMT |
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| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:13:41 +1100, Sylvia Else
wrote:
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>Don H wrote:
>> Oh, you've done a survey of sharks to generalise about them leaving humans
>> alone?
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>I don't have to do a survey. The inverse assertion immediately leads to
>a prediction (lots of humans eaten by sharks) that is manifestly false.
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>> When a shark or crocodile or lion kills a human, our natural instinct is
>> to seek revenge; but the animal concerned is only "doing what comes
>> naturally", not acting out of malice, so why condemn it?
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>The animal is not killled to seek revenge, but simply to prevent that
>particular animal from killing a human again. The purpose is not to
>punish the animal, so the animal's motivation is not relevant.
Surely the SA Premier's motivation to get votes.
>Sylvia.
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| | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:49:38 GMT |
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| It's hard for us Humans to view Nature objectively.
We're the most efficient and dangerous predator on Earth, yet still go
gunning for any other species which presumes to attack us.
Of course, if an individual is attacked by shark or croc or whatever, such
person has every right to defend self and kill opponent.
And if we want to go swimming in ocean waters, or croc-infested lagoons,
then we either clear the area of predators, or don't swim there.
Sharks and crocs are part of the eco-system; they have a role in the
so-called "balance of nature". Their numbers are kept in check by natural
forces - just as our proliferation will one day be checked; probably by a
population crash of dramatic proportions.
Sharks will choose easier (smaller) prey, given a choice, and a shark
which becomes a "man-eater" as a preferred option, thus seems an oddity.
There are large sharks which prey on large mammals, and these can be
regarded as our foes - but will they deliberately target a human, as
distinct from a seal? I don't think so. They'll attack a human or seal,
whichever happens to be nearby.
We can, of course, hunt down and kill any shark which attacks a human
(provided we identify the right one). It certainly won't do it again; nor
will its offspring, as it won't have any. We can look forward to thus
breeding a race of pacifist, human-benign, sharks; which may take a long
time coming. It's more likely, meantime, we'll kill off all sharks; problem
solved.
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"Sylvia Else" wrote in message
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> Don H wrote:
> > Oh, you've done a survey of sharks to generalise about them leaving
humans
> > alone?
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> I don't have to do a survey. The inverse assertion immediately leads to
> a prediction (lots of humans eaten by sharks) that is manifestly false.
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> > When a shark or crocodile or lion kills a human, our natural instinct is
> > to seek revenge; but the animal concerned is only "doing what comes
> > naturally", not acting out of malice, so why condemn it?
>
> The animal is not killled to seek revenge, but simply to prevent that
> particular animal from killing a human again. The purpose is not to
> punish the animal, so the animal's motivation is not relevant.
>
> Sylvia.
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| | From: | Don H | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:58:05 GMT |
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| Nark the Shark (Me'n You, on Menu)
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I'm sea prowler, Nark the Shark.
I like to spoil your fun.
If you swim where I do lurk,
You'll end up in my tum.
I only do it to annoy,
'Cos I am long and mean.
I like to have a piece of you,
As lunchtime "Corps, Marine".
They call me thus "man eater",
Which really isn't fair;
As I was merely passing by;
You happened to be there.
You were in my habitat,
I often am in yours;
But only on the dinner plate,
And then between your jaws.
Yes, my name is Nark the Shark,
You've come to seek revenge.
But soon I'll just a relic be,
Like Dodo, or Stonehenge.
So, it's goodbye, from Nark the Shark,
For me, no human morsel.
But when I'm gone, no more cuisine -
As shark fin, that's "Soup, Dorsal".
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"jackeroo" wrote in message
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> If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were known
> to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
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> Seems to me the state government fell down, no nets, no patrols, no signs?
> So the come out after the event jumping on the sharks so you wont notice
> them doing some of the things they ought to have done and havent?
>
> So dont take it out on the sharks? Without proper precautions you might as
> well say you are jumping into a sharks mouth at mealtime, and just because
> in most cases the shark does not like the taste and spits you out, that
you
> will always get away with it?
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| | From: | Jefferson | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:12:01 +1100 |
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"jackeroo" wrote in message
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> If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were known
> to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
You're right, it's absurd.
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> Seems to me the state government fell down, no nets, no patrols, no signs?
Equally absurd would be to blame the government. The government does not
have some kind of general responsibility to net, patrol and sign every beach
where a shark might be swimming. It's the other way around. People have
responsibility for their own choices.
> So the come out after the event jumping on the sharks so you wont notice
> them doing some of the things they ought to have done and havent?
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> So dont take it out on the sharks? Without proper precautions you might as
> well say you are jumping into a sharks mouth at mealtime, and just because
> in most cases the shark does not like the taste and spits you out, that
> you
> will always get away with it?
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| | From: | veritas | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped | | Date: | Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:37:04 GMT |
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| Moron!
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| | From: | Boxer | | Subject: | Re: Leave the sharks alone? Wold you kill all the mussels if he triped on a shell? | | Date: | Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:09:08 GMT |
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"jackeroo" wrote in message
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> If you took of in a motor bike in an area in Africa where lions were known
> to hunt, should we shoot the lion that brings you down?
>
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> Seems to me the state government fell down, no nets, no patrols, no signs?
> So the come out after the event jumping on the sharks so you wont notice
> them doing some of the things they ought to have done and havent?
>
> So dont take it out on the sharks? Without proper precautions you might as
> well say you are jumping into a sharks mouth at mealtime, and just because
> in most cases the shark does not like the taste and spits you out, that
> you
> will always get away with it?
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Lions don't attack motorcyclists out of professional courtesy.
Boxer
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