 | | From: | Peter Lowrie | | Subject: | ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:32 +1300 |
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 | The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others? How
does one go about making their own petrol?
:-) Peter
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| | From: | Ian | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:57:29 +1300 |
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| In article <16777031.oT9NV7xuJJ@xbox.pelnet.net>,
peterlowrie@consultant.com says...
> The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
>
> I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others? How
> does one go about making their own petrol?
>
> :-) Peter
>
I've seen it up to 118.9/l in CHCH.
Toluene is only an ingredient in New Zealands shit petrol that we pay so
dearly for. The main ingredient should be crude oil.
The Germans perfected synthetic fuels and lubricants during WW2 using
coal as a starting point. You might try Googling that.
cheerio,
Ian.
--
Feasting on the rotting spendour of western civilisations last golden
age.
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| | From: | dickydoo | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:16:21 +1300 |
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| Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out Auckland's
woes.
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| | From: | Dave - Dave.net.nz | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:20:28 +1300 |
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| dickydoo wrote:
> Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out Auckland's
> woes.
on the subject of traffic woes... someone was complaining about the rush
hour in Dunedin...
it happens on one street, over a distance of ~1km, for ~20 mins a day,
where traffic is slowed to ~35km/h instead of the 100km/h that the road
actually is.
I laughed and walked away from them at that point... they had no idea
what the rest of the country has to put up with.
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| | From: | thing | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:10:02 +1300 |
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| Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> dickydoo wrote:
>
>> Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out
>> Auckland's
>> woes.
>
>
> on the subject of traffic woes... someone was complaining about the rush
> hour in Dunedin...
>
> it happens on one street, over a distance of ~1km, for ~20 mins a day,
> where traffic is slowed to ~35km/h instead of the 100km/h that the road
> actually is.
>
> I laughed and walked away from them at that point... they had no idea
> what the rest of the country has to put up with.
They should go live in London and cummute from somewhere in Surrey.
regards
Thing
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| | From: | cowboyz | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:25:07 +1300 |
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dickydoo wrote:
> Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out
> Auckland's woes.
Maybe if Auckland let a few V8s drive round and round in circles for a
couple of days a year they would have the money to sort out their roads??
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| | From: | Lawrence DčOliveiro | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:02:43 +1300 |
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| In article , "cowboyz"
wrote:
>Maybe if Auckland let a few V8s drive round and round in circles for a
>couple of days a year they would have the money to sort out their roads??
I thought that idea was scrapped precisely because it would have made
the problems worse.
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| | From: | Bruce Sinclair | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:32:59 GMT |
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| In article , "cowboyz" wrote:
>dickydoo wrote:
>> Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out
>> Auckland's woes.
>
>Maybe if Auckland let a few V8s drive round and round in circles for a
>couple of days a year they would have the money to sort out their roads??
Nope. They've had these woes for at least 40 years. If they can't be
bothered to fix it in that time, I'd suggest they don't care much ... and
neither should the rest of us :)
Bruce
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If it was Us, what did that make Me ? After all, IŽm one of Us. I must be.
IŽve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
of themselves as one of Them. WeŽre always one of Us. ItŽs Them that do
the bad things. <=> Terry Pratchett. Jingo.
Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
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| | From: | Lawrence DčOliveiro | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:07:02 +1300 |
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| In article ,
bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) wrote:
>[Auckland have] had these woes for at least 40 years. If they can't be
>bothered to fix it in that time, I'd suggest they don't care much ... and
>neither should the rest of us :)
Unfortunately Auckland is such a large factor in the entire country's
economy that any problems there _do_ impact the rest of us. Most of us
may choose not to live there, but we still depend on it for a lot of
things, like it or not.
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| | From: | cowboyz | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:22:22 +1300 |
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Peter Lowrie wrote:
> The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
>
> I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others?
> How does one go about making their own petrol?
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> :-) Peter
First you find a country with alot of oil and claim they have WMD.........
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| | From: | Bok | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:16:40 +1300 |
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| Peter Lowrie wrote:
> The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
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> I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others?
Straight chained (aliphatic) hydrocarbons e.g. C8H15, ring structured
hydrocarbons such as toluene (C7H8), benzene and miscellaneous additives.
> How does one go about making their own petrol?
I'll let you know once I've registered my patent :-) In the meantime you
could try biogas as a potentially low cost alternative fuel if you can
source the raw meterials cheaply.
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| | From: | Peter Lowrie | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:06:54 +1300 |
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| Bok wrote:
> Peter Lowrie wrote:
>> The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
>>
>> I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others?
> Straight chained (aliphatic) hydrocarbons e.g. C8H15, ring structured
> hydrocarbons such as toluene (C7H8), benzene and miscellaneous additives.
>
> > How does one go about making their own petrol?
> I'll let you know once I've registered my patent :-) In the meantime you
> could try biogas as a potentially low cost alternative fuel if you can
> source the raw meterials cheaply.
Seriously Bok, you're not going to patent a petrol recipe. I've never gotten
'roundtuit but I muse about making methanol from food oil, add a bit of
ethanol and toluene but it would probably work out more expensive than at
the pump.
Peter
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| | From: | Bok | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:02:16 +1300 |
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| Peter Lowrie wrote:
> Seriously Bok, you're not going to patent a petrol recipe.
Not Today no :)
> I've never gotten 'roundtuit but I muse about making methanol from food oil, add a bit of
> ethanol and toluene but it would probably work out more expensive than at
> the pump.
Probably exhaust a lot of smoke too. Viscosity could be an issue for
petrol injection systems. Might be feasible for a diesel engine though.
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| | From: | Roger Johnstone | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | 19 Jan 2005 06:09:19 GMT |
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| In <355jttF4i3j54U1@individual.net> Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> dickydoo wrote:
>> Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out
>> Auckland's woes.
>
> on the subject of traffic woes... someone was complaining about the
> rush hour in Dunedin...
>
> it happens on one street, over a distance of ~1km, for ~20 mins a day,
> where traffic is slowed to ~35km/h instead of the 100km/h that the
> road actually is.
>
> I laughed and walked away from them at that point... they had no idea
> what the rest of the country has to put up with.
'The rest of the country?'
Speak for yourself!
--
Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand
http://vintageware.orcon.net.nz/
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No Silicon Heaven? Preposterous! Where would all the calculators go?
Kryten, from the Red Dwarf episode "The Last Day"
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| | From: | Dave - Dave.net.nz | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:29:38 +1300 |
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| Roger Johnstone wrote:
>>>Is it going up again at the end of March by 5c to help sort out
>>>Auckland's woes.
>>I laughed and walked away from them at that point... they had no idea
>>what the rest of the country has to put up with.
> 'The rest of the country?'
> Speak for yourself!
heh, that was kinda my point, guess it was missed on some/most :)
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| | From: | Ross | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:35:58 +1300 |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:32 +1300, Peter Lowrie
wrote:
>The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
>
>I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others? How
>does one go about making their own petrol?
>
>:-) Peter
Get any carbon based waste (lawn clippings, chicken guts, whatever).
Add heat and pressure in the right amount for a couple of days (or
weeks... can't remember). Voila! You have oil. Now split that up by
distillation. For a better description look up "anything into oil"
with a search engine. The proper term for this is thermal
depolymerization process, or TDP.
But do you have to use petrol? Do you have at least one leg and own a
bicycle?
Ross
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| | From: | Kent Smith | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:42:45 +1300 |
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| Ross wrote:
> But do you have to use petrol? Do you have at least one leg and own a
> bicycle?
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That'd be great for towing the caravan. :)
-KENT
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| | From: | Lawrence D'Oliveiro | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:04:00 +1300 |
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| In article <8ilpu0lgadqe72qhqt1gvdchc12b6bravo@4ax.com>,
Ross wrote:
>Do you have at least one leg and own a bicycle?
Need at least one arm as well. Bit difficult otherwise.
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| | From: | dickydoo | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:53:27 +1300 |
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> >Do you have at least one leg and own a bicycle?
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> Need at least one arm as well. Bit difficult otherwise.
You loose them when you buy a house!
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| | From: | thing | | Subject: | Re: ratcheting petrol prices | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:48:00 +1300 |
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| Peter Lowrie wrote:
> The price of petrol went up yet again today, 114c/l.
>
> I know that one ingredient in petrol is toluene, what are the others? How
> does one go about making their own petrol?
>
> :-) Peter
Practically speaking you cannot, what seems to be practical though is
bio-deisel.
From the little I have read you collect the old KFC deep fry oil and
convert it, docs on the www.
I think I saw 117c last night.
regards
Thing
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