Hi folks

I have been told by a friend that maybe someone here could help me.

I have just been given a Transonic 5.1 DVD player (Model TC1386DV) as a
thankyou present. I was wondering if this could be made multi zone with
a code change as the markings on the back seem to indicate that it is
set up as a zone 4 only player? If so, does anyone know the required
'how too'?

Any and all help appreciated.

Cheers.

From:	The Ranger
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:25:19 +1300

Hi guys

Well, I had no idea what such a simple question would trigger. I have
access to zone 2 DVDs collected by my brother from the time he lived in
Europe and I figured I would ask.

Thanks for the input. When I get home in a couple of weeks I'll just
grab one of his DVDs and see if it works.

Cheers.

From:	Daver
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:29:57 +1300

Have you tried it? Nearly all DVD sold here are region free despite the
label.

"The Ranger" wrote in message
news:1104590460.498812@ftpsrv1...
> Hi folks
>
> I have been told by a friend that maybe someone here could help me.
>
> I have just been given a Transonic 5.1 DVD player (Model TC1386DV) as a
> thankyou present. I was wondering if this could be made multi zone with
> a code change as the markings on the back seem to indicate that it is
> set up as a zone 4 only player? If so, does anyone know the required
> 'how too'?
>
> Any and all help appreciated.
>
> Cheers.
>

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:45:38 +1300

"Daver" wrote in message
news:cr7in6$ei7$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> Have you tried it? Nearly all DVD sold here are region free despite the
> label.
>
> "The Ranger" wrote in message
> news:1104590460.498812@ftpsrv1...
> > Hi folks
> >
> > I have been told by a friend that maybe someone here could help me.
> >
> > I have just been given a Transonic 5.1 DVD player (Model TC1386DV) as a
> > thankyou present. I was wondering if this could be made multi zone with
> > a code change as the markings on the back seem to indicate that it is
> > set up as a zone 4 only player? If so, does anyone know the required
> > 'how too'?
> >
> > Any and all help appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
>
>

All new movies available at the video store are also zone 4.
They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
are the distributors for DVD here.

You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months before
it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
that before release for resale or hire at the same time.

Cheers,
Gavin.

From:	Mackin
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:37:39 +1300

> Gavin Stephens wrote:

> All new movies availabe at the video store are also zone 4.
> They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
> large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
> or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
> offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
> is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
> are the distributors for DVD here.
>
> You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months before
> it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
> that before release for resale or hire at the same time.
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin.

Gavin Stephen's comments are downright wrong and somewhat offensive IMHO.

It is *not* illegal to import zone 1 (or any other zone) DVD's into NZ. You
can order a zone 1 DVD from Amazon.com and have it here within a few days
if you want (transport costs will be high though).

You can also import & sell any zone DVD in NZ as long as you have them
classified by the Office of Film and Literature Classification who are part
of the Dept of Internal Affairs.

What *is* illegal is for a movie hire company to *rent* anything other than
zone 4 DVD's. This is because the zone 1 disc's are often available at the
same time the movie is screening here in the cinema.

As for the comment "You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months
before it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after that
before release for resale or hire at the same time". Who the fuck are you
to be telling me that I'm "pretty desperate". Kindly keep this kind of
smart arse blather to yourself. You might also want to do some research
into who makes the laws in NZ, last time I checked it wasn't Village
Roadshow.

FYI, zone 1 disc's are often better quality and contain more features/extras
than their zone 4 counterparts. Hollywood DVD's are seldom released before
the movie is available on the big screen here because the studios wait
'till after screening has finished in the US. At best a movie might be
available at the same time as it's screening here.

Due to the favourable exchange rate ordering from Amazon.com at the moment
is cheaper than buying locally if you purchase a few disc's at a time so
you can spread the cost of shipping. The last lot I purchased (8 disc's)
worked out about two thirds of the NZ price.

As long as you have a Zone one capable player and an NTSC capable TV you can
import and play Zone one DVD's legally to your hearts content.

Mackin.

From:	Kevin
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:49:38 +1300

"Mackin" wrote in message
news:nUKBd.4433$mo2.257337@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > Gavin Stephens wrote:
>
>
>
> > All new movies availabe at the video store are also zone 4.
> > They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
> > large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
> > or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
> > offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
> > is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
> > are the distributors for DVD here.
> >
> > You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months before
> > it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
> > that before release for resale or hire at the same time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gavin.
>
> Gavin Stephen's comments are downright wrong and somewhat offensive IMHO.
>
> It is *not* illegal to import zone 1 (or any other zone) DVD's into NZ.
You
> can order a zone 1 DVD from Amazon.com and have it here within a few days
> if you want (transport costs will be high though).
>
> You can also import & sell any zone DVD in NZ as long as you have them
> classified by the Office of Film and Literature Classification who are
part
> of the Dept of Internal Affairs.
>
> What *is* illegal is for a movie hire company to *rent* anything other
than
> zone 4 DVD's. This is because the zone 1 disc's are often available at
the
> same time the movie is screening here in the cinema.
>
> As for the comment "You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months
> before it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
that
> before release for resale or hire at the same time". Who the fuck are you
> to be telling me that I'm "pretty desperate". Kindly keep this kind of
> smart arse blather to yourself. You might also want to do some research
> into who makes the laws in NZ, last time I checked it wasn't Village
> Roadshow.
>
> FYI, zone 1 disc's are often better quality and contain more
features/extras
> than their zone 4 counterparts. Hollywood DVD's are seldom released
before
> the movie is available on the big screen here because the studios wait
> 'till after screening has finished in the US. At best a movie might be
> available at the same time as it's screening here.
>
> Due to the favourable exchange rate ordering from Amazon.com at the moment
> is cheaper than buying locally if you purchase a few disc's at a time so
> you can spread the cost of shipping. The last lot I purchased (8 disc's)
> worked out about two thirds of the NZ price.
>
> As long as you have a Zone one capable player and an NTSC capable TV you
can
> import and play Zone one DVD's legally to your hearts content.
>
> Mackin.
>

Still a bit wrong, VideoEasy still rent a significant number of Zone1 disks.

George C Scott

From:	Mackin
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:49:12 +1300

Kevin wrote:

>
> Still a bit wrong, VideoEasy still rent a significant number of Zone1
> disks.

Interesting. I've not seen a zone one disc at Video Ezy for some time,
maybe some older disc's that they had before the law changed?

All the recent releases I've hired have been Zone 4.

Mackin.

From:	E. Scrooge
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300

"Mackin" wrote in message
news:nUKBd.4433$mo2.257337@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> Gavin Stephens wrote:
>
>
>
>> All new movies availabe at the video store are also zone 4.
>> They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
>> large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
>> or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
>> offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
>> is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
>> are the distributors for DVD here.
>>
>> You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months before
>> it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
>> that before release for resale or hire at the same time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Gavin.
>
> Gavin Stephen's comments are downright wrong and somewhat offensive IMHO.
>
> It is *not* illegal to import zone 1 (or any other zone) DVD's into NZ.
> You
> can order a zone 1 DVD from Amazon.com and have it here within a few days
> if you want (transport costs will be high though).
>
> You can also import & sell any zone DVD in NZ as long as you have them
> classified by the Office of Film and Literature Classification who are
> part
> of the Dept of Internal Affairs.
>
> What *is* illegal is for a movie hire company to *rent* anything other
> than
> zone 4 DVD's. This is because the zone 1 disc's are often available at
> the
> same time the movie is screening here in the cinema.
>
> As for the comment "You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months
> before it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
> that
> before release for resale or hire at the same time". Who the fuck are you
> to be telling me that I'm "pretty desperate". Kindly keep this kind of
> smart arse blather to yourself. You might also want to do some research
> into who makes the laws in NZ, last time I checked it wasn't Village
> Roadshow.
>
> FYI, zone 1 disc's are often better quality and contain more
> features/extras
> than their zone 4 counterparts. Hollywood DVD's are seldom released
> before
> the movie is available on the big screen here because the studios wait
> 'till after screening has finished in the US. At best a movie might be
> available at the same time as it's screening here.
>
> Due to the favourable exchange rate ordering from Amazon.com at the moment
> is cheaper than buying locally if you purchase a few disc's at a time so
> you can spread the cost of shipping. The last lot I purchased (8 disc's)
> worked out about two thirds of the NZ price.
>
> As long as you have a Zone one capable player and an NTSC capable TV you
> can
> import and play Zone one DVD's legally to your hearts content.
>
> Mackin.

You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on a
region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.

The Warehouse and other places have NTSC DVDs for sale, usually special
interest ones, may even be region free.

Also the onscreen menu of the Transonic is damn near exactly the same as the
DSE menu, which leads one to suggest that the guts is made in the same
outfit over in China for a lot of players that are then cased and badged
possibly by either the same outfit or other outfits that are involved with
each brand. The failure rate of Mustek seems to feature quite a bit by
those that have bought them for some reason.
Dick Smith staff will tell you that some players won't play SVCDs when in
fact the players can and even list all the formats they can play in their
DSE player manuals.

E. Scrooge

From:	Ian
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:54:06 +1300

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge"
wrote:

>You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on a
>region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
>player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.

Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo vcr/dvd
player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't look as
good as true NTSC.

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:56:46 +1300

"Ian" wrote in message
news:gekft0p88a0li1ps258q4nhaqaek3cs183@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge" (*sling)>
> wrote:
>
> >You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on a
> >region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
> >player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.
>
> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo
vcr/dvd
> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't
look as
> good as true NTSC.
>

I wonder how progressive DVD players re-mix the PAL interlaced video on
them,
I would imange it would be harder on PAL than NTSC with all that 3:1
pull-down
conversion stuff I'm still coming to grips with.

Gavin.

From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:10:28 +1300

Gavin Stephens wrote:

> I wonder how progressive DVD players re-mix the PAL interlaced video on
> them,
> I would imange it would be harder on PAL than NTSC with all that 3:1
> pull-down
> conversion stuff I'm still coming to grips with.

Its bloody difficult, and with pal progressive the output is at 50Hz which has
unacceptable flickering on it. 60Hz progressive still has a 3:2 pulldown but
they are full frames instead of fields.

Interlacing makes working with video hard, and to think the really smart yanks
decided to make one of there hdtv resolutions interlaced.

From:	The Cryptkeeper
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:05:22 +1300

"Ian" wrote in message
news:gekft0p88a0li1ps258q4nhaqaek3cs183@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge" > (*sling)>
> wrote:
>
>>You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on a
>>region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
>>player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.
>
> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo
> vcr/dvd
> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't
> look as
> good as true NTSC.

You can select the TV type from the menu. If you want just select it for a
NTSC TV, which should give the results you're after.

E. Scrooge

From:	E. Scrooge
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:12:50 +1300

"The Cryptkeeper" wrote in message
news:1104663926.493388@ftpsrv1...
>
> "Ian" wrote in message
> news:gekft0p88a0li1ps258q4nhaqaek3cs183@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge" >> (*sling)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on a
>>>region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
>>>player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.
>>
>> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo
>> vcr/dvd
>> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't
>> look as
>> good as true NTSC.
>
> You can select the TV type from the menu. If you want just select it for
> a NTSC TV, which should give the results you're after.
>
> E. Scrooge

Oops... didn't get the name changed back before sending that post. :-)

E. Scrooge

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	3 Jan 2005 19:46:27 +1300

Out from under a rock popped E. Scrooge and said

> Oops... didn't get the name changed back before sending that post. :-)

If you switch to XNews you can set up multiple identities. You can also
choose which server you want to post to, if you have multiple servers
configured.

--
rob singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	God
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	3 Jan 2005 19:47:41 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Robert Singers and said

> Out from under a rock popped E. Scrooge and said
>
>> Oops... didn't get the name changed back before sending that post. :-)
>
> If you switch to XNews you can set up multiple identities. You can also
> choose which server you want to post to, if you have multiple servers
> configured.

Yes very wise.

From:	Col~
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:46:49 +1300

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:12:50 +1300, "E. Scrooge"
wrote:

>
>"The Cryptkeeper" wrote in message
>news:1104663926.493388@ftpsrv1...
>>
>> "Ian" wrote in message
>> news:gekft0p88a0li1ps258q4nhaqaek3cs183@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge" >>> (*sling)>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on a
>>>>region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
>>>>player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.
>>>
>>> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo
>>> vcr/dvd
>>> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't
>>> look as
>>> good as true NTSC.
>>
>> You can select the TV type from the menu. If you want just select it for
>> a NTSC TV, which should give the results you're after.
>>
>> E. Scrooge
>
>Oops... didn't get the name changed back before sending that post. :-)
>
>E. Scrooge
>

E. Scrooge, Cryptkeeper, Dracula , James ..
--

Col

Col's law.
Thinly sliced cabbage..

From:	E. Scrooge
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:56 +1300

"Col~" wrote in message
news:BN=XQUBgjWWb9c+XqNgjOtpkz8ix@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:12:50 +1300, "E. Scrooge" (*sling)>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"The Cryptkeeper" wrote in message
> >news:1104663926.493388@ftpsrv1...
> >>
> >> "Ian" wrote in message
> >> news:gekft0p88a0li1ps258q4nhaqaek3cs183@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge" > >>> (*sling)>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on
a
> >>>>region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
> >>>>player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.
> >>>
> >>> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo
> >>> vcr/dvd
> >>> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't
> >>> look as
> >>> good as true NTSC.
> >>
> >> You can select the TV type from the menu. If you want just select it
for
> >> a NTSC TV, which should give the results you're after.
> >>
> >> E. Scrooge
> >
> >Oops... didn't get the name changed back before sending that post. :-)
> >
> >E. Scrooge
> >
>
> E. Scrooge, Cryptkeeper, Dracula , James ..
> --
>
> Col

Hardly a great surprise, Bradman, Col, Col:, Col~, plus other names you've
posted under.
The Cryptkeeker was quite fitting in reply to someone in the thread of the
other group, and the email address was still unchanged since I wasn't trying
to mislead anyone.
And I have never posted as Dracula, it was Count Dracula actually.

E. Scrooge

From:	Adder
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:17:45 +1300

In article <1104692783.788713@ftpsrv1> in nz.tech on Mon, 3 Jan 2005
08:03:56 +1300, E. Scrooge says...

> Hardly a great surprise, Bradman, Col, Col:, Col~, plus other names you've
> posted under.

Col has never posted anything other, and that is his real name, your name
is not ebenezer is it

From:	E. Scrooge
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:10:17 +1300

"Adder" wrote in message
news:MPG.1c43b8c3dc726c198979e@news.paradise.net.nz...
> In article <1104692783.788713@ftpsrv1> in nz.tech on Mon, 3 Jan 2005
> 08:03:56 +1300, E. Scrooge says...
>
>> Hardly a great surprise, Bradman, Col, Col:, Col~, plus other names
>> you've
>> posted under.
>
> Col has never posted anything other, and that is his real name, your name
> is not ebenezer is it

Well Adder you had better add that Col has indeed posted under other names.

And just before you butt out, unlike you and someone else, I use a working
NZ email address.

E. Scrooge

From:	Col~
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:41:26 +1300

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:10:17 +1300, "E. Scrooge"
wrote:

>
>"Adder" wrote in message
>news:MPG.1c43b8c3dc726c198979e@news.paradise.net.nz...
>> In article <1104692783.788713@ftpsrv1> in nz.tech on Mon, 3 Jan 2005
>> 08:03:56 +1300, E. Scrooge says...
>>
>>> Hardly a great surprise, Bradman, Col, Col:, Col~, plus other names
>>> you've
>>> posted under.
>>
>> Col has never posted anything other, and that is his real name, your name
>> is not ebenezer is it
>
>Well Adder you had better add that Col has indeed posted under other names.
>
>And just before you butt out, unlike you and someone else, I use a working
>NZ email address.
>
>E. Scrooge
>
Is that scrooge@slingshot.co.nz your real address ?

--

Col

Col's law.
Thinly sliced cabbage..

From:	E. Scrooge
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:38:26 +1300

"Col~" wrote in message
news:Tj3ZQfFU=veOsz5Y=DcGV6Dy9=Oi@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:10:17 +1300, "E. Scrooge" (*sling)>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Adder" wrote in message
> >news:MPG.1c43b8c3dc726c198979e@news.paradise.net.nz...
> >> In article <1104692783.788713@ftpsrv1> in nz.tech on Mon, 3 Jan 2005
> >> 08:03:56 +1300, E. Scrooge says...
> >>
> >>> Hardly a great surprise, Bradman, Col, Col:, Col~, plus other names
> >>> you've
> >>> posted under.
> >>
> >> Col has never posted anything other, and that is his real name, your
name
> >> is not ebenezer is it
> >
> >Well Adder you had better add that Col has indeed posted under other
names.
> >
> >And just before you butt out, unlike you and someone else, I use a
working
> >NZ email address.
> >
> >E. Scrooge
> >
> Is that your real address ?
>
> --
>
> Col

I see you still haven't got the nerve to let your posts be archived.

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525
X-No-Archive: yes

If it bothers you that much you shouldn't be posting at all, or at least do
posts that you're not ashamed to have archived.
It also helps to hide the real number of posts that you do.

E. Scrooge

From:	Col~
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:40:02 +1300

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:03:56 +1300, "E. Scrooge"
wrote:

>
>"Col~" wrote in message
>news:BN=XQUBgjWWb9c+XqNgjOtpkz8ix@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:12:50 +1300, "E. Scrooge" >(*sling)>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"The Cryptkeeper" wrote in message
>> >news:1104663926.493388@ftpsrv1...
>> >>
>> >> "Ian" wrote in message
>> >> news:gekft0p88a0li1ps258q4nhaqaek3cs183@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:14:05 +1300, "E. Scrooge" >> >>> (*sling)>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>You don't need a NTSC capable TV at all to watch NTSC region 1 DVDs on
>a
>> >>>>region free Transonic / DSE / and most likely Mustek DVD players. The
>> >>>>player will convert the NTSC signal to PAL for a PAL TV.
>> >>>
>> >>> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo
>> >>> vcr/dvd
>> >>> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't
>> >>> look as
>> >>> good as true NTSC.
>> >>
>> >> You can select the TV type from the menu. If you want just select it
>for
>> >> a NTSC TV, which should give the results you're after.
>> >>
>> >> E. Scrooge
>> >
>> >Oops... didn't get the name changed back before sending that post. :-)
>> >
>> >E. Scrooge
>> >
>>
>> E. Scrooge, Cryptkeeper, Dracula , James ..
>> --
>>
>> Col
>
>Hardly a great surprise, Bradman, Col, Col:, Col~, plus other names you've
>posted under.
>The Cryptkeeker was quite fitting in reply to someone in the thread of the
>other group, and the email address was still unchanged since I wasn't trying
>to mislead anyone.

I never said you were trying to mislead anyone

>And I have never posted as Dracula, it was Count Dracula actually.

You are right. Count ... Pity your spelling is not too good though.
>

--

Col

Col's law.
Thinly sliced cabbage..

From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:06:27 +1300

Ian wrote:

> Can these be forced to output NTSC? My Yukai unit can, but the combo vcr/dvd
> player I recently got for the old lady converts to PAL, and it doesn't look as
> good as true NTSC.

You have to find out what these players idea of convert is, if its PAL-60, then
that should be fine as the difference in colour is hardly noticable, but if it
drops it to pal-50 then its usually horriblely shuddery.

Keep in mind that on component or RGB there is no difference between the 2 other
then some horribly complex things involving a colour gaumlet or something.

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:37:42 +1300

"Mackin" wrote in message
news:nUKBd.4433$mo2.257337@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > Gavin Stephens wrote:
>
>
>
> > All new movies availabe at the video store are also zone 4.
> > They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
> > large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
> > or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
> > offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
> > is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
> > are the distributors for DVD here.
> >
> > You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months before
> > it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
> > that before release for resale or hire at the same time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gavin.
>
> Gavin Stephen's comments are downright wrong and somewhat offensive IMHO.
>
> It is *not* illegal to import zone 1 (or any other zone) DVD's into NZ.
You
> can order a zone 1 DVD from Amazon.com and have it here within a few days
> if you want (transport costs will be high though).
>
> You can also import & sell any zone DVD in NZ as long as you have them
> classified by the Office of Film and Literature Classification who are
part
> of the Dept of Internal Affairs.
>
> What *is* illegal is for a movie hire company to *rent* anything other
than
> zone 4 DVD's. This is because the zone 1 disc's are often available at
the
> same time the movie is screening here in the cinema.
>
> As for the comment "You'd be pretty desperate to see a movie a few months
> before it arrives on the big screen here, then only a few months after
that
> before release for resale or hire at the same time". Who the fuck are you
> to be telling me that I'm "pretty desperate". Kindly keep this kind of
> smart arse blather to yourself. You might also want to do some research
> into who makes the laws in NZ, last time I checked it wasn't Village
> Roadshow.
>
> FYI, zone 1 disc's are often better quality and contain more
features/extras
> than their zone 4 counterparts. Hollywood DVD's are seldom released
before
> the movie is available on the big screen here because the studios wait
> 'till after screening has finished in the US. At best a movie might be
> available at the same time as it's screening here.
>
> Due to the favourable exchange rate ordering from Amazon.com at the moment
> is cheaper than buying locally if you purchase a few disc's at a time so
> you can spread the cost of shipping. The last lot I purchased (8 disc's)
> worked out about two thirds of the NZ price.
>
> As long as you have a Zone one capable player and an NTSC capable TV you
can
> import and play Zone one DVD's legally to your hearts content.
>
> Mackin.
>
>
>
>

They distribute movies in New Zealand on behalf of most major film
companies, who
do NOT make Zone 1 discs available for retail in Zone 4 regions. I wonder
why
they went to such huge investments in DVD enryption and regional scripting
if
they wanted everyone to beat them to the big screen and rip off their sales
potential?
Why they thretened to take legal action against those importing Zone 1
titles in
to NZ, but can't track down small private transcations as well as commercial
sellers. They don't make the law, but the law protects their works.

The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
those who import these works that are not for release in this country
until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half the
reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?

I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
customs.

And the words arse and fuck aren't blather, a violent vocab' I sense.

From:	Brendan
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:20:57 +1300

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:37:42 +1300, Gavin Stephens wrote:

> They distribute movies in New Zealand on behalf of most major film
> companies, who do NOT make Zone 1 discs available for retail in Zone 4
> regions.

They do this so they can milk extra profit from it. It's a marketing tool
of ZERO legal standing, and possibly even anti-competitive.

They lose no money when people buy a zone 1 dvd - the film companies still
get paid either way. (You lose though - you pay more for less with a zone 4
dvd).

Additionally, most DVD players ignore the zoning in dvd's any way and will
play anything. Bloody stupid idea in the first place.

> I wonder why they went to such huge investments in DVD enryption and
> regional scripting if they wanted everyone to beat them to the big
> screen and rip off their sales potential?

'huge investment' - get off it! It was a kludge from the word go and the
best thing that can be said about it was it is an encumbrance. Universally
ignored, even by DVD player manufacturers.

Society is not beholding to film companies; we do not OWE them a living.
The only people helped by these artificial differences between theater and
DVD are the film companies. Not you nor me.

They are not starving. They do not need special protection.

> Why they thretened to take legal action against those importing Zone 1
> titles in to NZ, but can't track down small private transcations as well
> as commercial sellers. They don't make the law, but the law protects
> their works.

What a load of CRAP.

NO ONE has been threatened with 'legal action' for importing zone 1 dvd's,
because it is NOT illegal. Nor should it be.

The reason why video rental shops do not stock them is because zone 1
dvd's are not approved by the censor. They are not approved because no one
wants to pay thousands of dollars to GET each to GET them approved.

The film companies pay the thousands for zone 4 dvd's to be approaved.
Each. Only z4. That is why zone 4's are available for rental. Nothing
else. Only that reason.

> The industry has already kicked up a big storm over those who import
> these works that are not for release in this country until they are
> ready to be released on the film companies terms, they hold the
> respective rights to how and where and when films get released.

We make the laws here Gav. Not Hollywood. And our laws say it's ok.

> Otherwise those film companies are being ripped off before ticket sales
> potential on the NZ big screen first. As half the reason for getting
> Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?

They are not being 'ripped off'. And even if they were, they could remedy
the problem by releasing the films here at the same time as in the USA.

Also, why should NZ make laws to benefit Hollywood ? Or local theater
owners ?

Can I have a law that enforces profits for MY business too, then ? Can I
make up some stupid marketing scam, and then have a law enforce it too
please ?

> I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of items that
> should be in the not allowed section under a private importer. It
> shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be customs.

Customs enforces the law. The law says it's OK. So you are talking a load
of crap.

> And the words arse and fuck aren't blather, a violent vocab' I sense.

English from Yoda taking, are you ?

--

.... Brendan

"This is *not* a football game, Netcom!" -- The Opry House

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From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:00:26 +1300

Brendan wrote:

> NO ONE has been threatened with 'legal action' for importing zone 1 dvd's,
> because it is NOT illegal. Nor should it be.

For personal use it isnt, for sale/rental it is since the last change to the
copyright laws

> The reason why video rental shops do not stock them is because zone 1
> dvd's are not approved by the censor. They are not approved because no one
> wants to pay thousands of dollars to GET each to GET them approved.
>
> The film companies pay the thousands for zone 4 dvd's to be approaved.
> Each. Only z4. That is why zone 4's are available for rental. Nothing
> else. Only that reason.

The place opposite burgerfuel in mt eden used to bring heaps of Z1 discs in and
get them censor approved and sell them, the cost isnt 1000s, hundreds yeah..

The issue that stops them doing it now is the ammended copyright act that
specifically gives movies a 6 month exclusivity from there first relese to when
anyone can parallel import them.

From:	A
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:36:52 +1300

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:00:26 +1300, Richard wrote:

>Brendan wrote:
>
>> NO ONE has been threatened with 'legal action' for importing zone 1 dvd's,
>> because it is NOT illegal. Nor should it be.
>
>For personal use it isnt, for sale/rental it is since the last change to the
>copyright laws
>
>> The reason why video rental shops do not stock them is because zone 1
>> dvd's are not approved by the censor. They are not approved because no one
>> wants to pay thousands of dollars to GET each to GET them approved.
>>
>> The film companies pay the thousands for zone 4 dvd's to be approaved.
>> Each. Only z4. That is why zone 4's are available for rental. Nothing
>> else. Only that reason.
>
>The place opposite burgerfuel in mt eden used to bring heaps of Z1 discs in and
>get them censor approved and sell them, the cost isnt 1000s, hundreds yeah..

The figure IIRC is around $1200 for a title. If it has been classified
already by someone else then the price drops a fair bit but you still
have to pay something. Also just because its out in Z4 doesn't mean
you don't have to get the Z1 version classified as it could be a
different edit/cut with different special features.

Those outfits which use to parallel import them (before the law was
changed) sold new release movies for $70+ when you could import them
yourself for $50 - and they should be able to get them even cheaper in
bulk. I use to think they were price gouging but if they had to pay
$1200 to classify a movie and only sold 100 copies of it then that's
effectively a $12 surcharge per movie.

From:	Brendan
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:31:36 +1300

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:36:52 +1300, A wrote:

>>The place opposite burgerfuel in mt eden used to bring heaps of Z1 discs in and
>>get them censor approved and sell them, the cost isnt 1000s, hundreds yeah..
>
> The figure IIRC is around $1200 for a title. If it has been classified
> already by someone else then the price drops a fair bit but you still
> have to pay something.

You'd think the bigger rental chains would fund it.

But if they do have this stupid law that parallel imports are not allowed
for 6 months after our theaters get them, you can see why they can't.
Vested interests win again...

I'd like to stress though that this law does NOT apply to private people,
as Gavin claimed. Only business.

Fucking scam. I want a law to protect my profits from other consultants! No
one is allowed to bring in another consultant until *I* have had six months
to look at the problem!

> Those outfits which use to parallel import them (before the law was
> changed) sold new release movies for $70+ when you could import them
> yourself for $50 - and they should be able to get them even cheaper in
> bulk. I use to think they were price gouging but if they had to pay
> $1200 to classify a movie and only sold 100 copies of it then that's
> effectively a $12 surcharge per movie.

It's all stupid. They could download the movies over the internet and burn
them to DVD for stuff all if Hollywood would let them.

Instead we have to fuck around with victorian style distribution systems...

Well, more and more people don't though, do they ? They download pirated
versions and Hollywood gets nothing. Serves them right for price gouging.

And before some wabbit bleats about the expense of films and Hollywood
crashing: don't care. Don't give the slightest fuck whatsoever. It'd even
be good if it happened. Put some competition and reality back into the
business. They'd have to compete on merit, not market dominance.

--

.... Brendan

"It's good to know that if I behave strangely enough, society will take full responsibility for me." -- Ashleigh Brilliant

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From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:44:44 +1300

Brendan wrote:

>>The figure IIRC is around $1200 for a title. If it has been classified
>>already by someone else then the price drops a fair bit but you still
>>have to pay something.
>
>
> You'd think the bigger rental chains would fund it.

And lose there ability to buy zone 4 rental discs from what I heard.

Bloody scam those rental discs, and I had one where I wasnt able to fast foward
thru about 3 mins of crap before the movie.

> But if they do have this stupid law that parallel imports are not allowed
> for 6 months after our theaters get them, you can see why they can't.
> Vested interests win again...

> I'd like to stress though that this law does NOT apply to private people,
> as Gavin claimed. Only business.
>
> Fucking scam. I want a law to protect my profits from other consultants! No
> one is allowed to bring in another consultant until *I* have had six months
> to look at the problem!

> It's all stupid. They could download the movies over the internet and burn
> them to DVD for stuff all if Hollywood would let them.

Heh, not in NZ they cant.... 8 gigs takes a long time too, would be faster and
cheaper to get a box full fedexed here.

> Well, more and more people don't though, do they ? They download pirated
> versions and Hollywood gets nothing. Serves them right for price gouging.

Yeah, but a majority of people are happy to put up with a vastly inferior
product just to see it sooner or to not have to pay a few $. The biggest
annoyance IMHO with DVDs is the discs them selves, and the cases they come in.
The pirate ones in asia are packed much more sensably, just a disc in a sleve,
so they take less space up

From:	Brendan
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:07:23 +1300

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:44:44 +1300, Richard wrote:

> And lose there ability to buy zone 4 rental discs from what I heard.

That'd be another reason for a commerce commission with real TEETH.

> Bloody scam those rental discs, and I had one where I wasnt able to fast foward
> thru about 3 mins of crap before the movie.

Yeah, stupid that. Some players can be modified to get around that. Mod an
xbox.

>> It's all stupid. They could download the movies over the internet and burn
>> them to DVD for stuff all if Hollywood would let them.
>
> Heh, not in NZ they cant.... 8 gigs takes a long time too, would be faster and
> cheaper to get a box full fedexed here.

Maybe. But the same principal applies.

>> Well, more and more people don't though, do they ? They download pirated
>> versions and Hollywood gets nothing. Serves them right for price gouging.
>
> Yeah, but a majority of people are happy to put up with a vastly inferior
> product just to see it sooner or to not have to pay a few $. The biggest
> annoyance IMHO with DVDs is the discs them selves, and the cases they come in.
> The pirate ones in asia are packed much more sensably, just a disc in a sleve,
> so they take less space up

They could use 5cm sized disks with blu-ray or mpeg4 as well. I don't see
why they charge more for dvd's when buying a film anyway. They are much
simpler to make.

--

.... Brendan

.... because computers are happiest when we avoid describing them in anthropomorphic terms.
(from the preface of an O'Rielly book)

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From:	Brendan
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:40:35 +1300

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:00:26 +1300, Richard wrote:

> Brendan wrote:
>
>> NO ONE has been threatened with 'legal action' for importing zone 1 dvd's,
>> because it is NOT illegal. Nor should it be.
>
> For personal use it isnt, for sale/rental it is since the last change to the
> copyright laws

They are allowed to import them. Just not rent or sell them ;) So we are
both right. (I didn't go into the distinction in the prior post; thought it
was obvious).

>> The film companies pay the thousands for zone 4 dvd's to be approaved.
>> Each. Only z4. That is why zone 4's are available for rental. Nothing
>> else. Only that reason.
>
> The place opposite burgerfuel in mt eden used to bring heaps of Z1 discs in and
> get them censor approved and sell them, the cost isnt 1000s, hundreds yeah..

I'll believe you.

> The issue that stops them doing it now is the ammended copyright act that
> specifically gives movies a 6 month exclusivity from there first relese to when
> anyone can parallel import them.

Doesn't apply to private people importing them for their own use however,
as was Gavin's claim.

Aside from that, that law is a stupid one and should be removed. The
citizens of NZ are not in the business of making special laws to protect
special interests (like theater owners).

--

.... Brendan

One's the Pope. One's a chimp. They're detectives.
'The Pope and the Chimp' coming this fall to NBC

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From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	2 Jan 2005 22:49:13 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said

Gavin can you please set your wrap size to something smaller 76 is the
standard for IE. Tool | Options | News Sending Format | Plain Text
Settings.

> They distribute movies in New Zealand on behalf of most major film
> companies, who
> do NOT make Zone 1 discs available for retail in Zone 4 regions. I
> wonder why
> they went to such huge investments in DVD enryption and regional
> scripting if
> they wanted everyone to beat them to the big screen and rip off their
> sales potential?

Look everyone knows that Zoning is for marketing reasons. Very few people
like it and IIRC when it was tested under Australian law it was found to be
illegal.

> Why they thretened to take legal action against those importing Zone 1
> titles in
> to NZ, but can't track down small private transcations as well as
> commercial sellers. They don't make the law, but the law protects
> their works.

Copyright protects their works, but it does not protect zoning.

> The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
> those who import these works that are not for release in this country
> until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
> hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
> released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
> off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half
> the reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?

Complete and utter bullshit. The distriution companies aren't getting
ripped off. They're getting paid for the DVDs. What it does is decrease
people going to Cinemas and distorts the "grossing figures" which exclude
DVD sales.

> I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
> items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
> importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
> customs.

I've already posted the links to NZ legislation that proves you're talking
absolute nonsense on this point.

> And the words arse and fuck aren't blather, a violent vocab' I sense.

That sentence doesn't parse well.

--
rob singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:55:25 +1300

"Robert Singers" wrote in message
news:Xns95D2E82302921rsingers@IP-Hidden...
> Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said
>
> Gavin can you please set your wrap size to something smaller 76 is the
> standard for IE. Tool | Options | News Sending Format | Plain Text
> Settings.

Mine is already at 76, and I counted one of your lines being 75 aswell.
might be because I press enter at the end of some lines rather than
just keep typing, might be wrapping wrong because of that?

I noticed newsgroups seem to be picky about they way you type or
post, I'm guessing there is a logical reason my brain escapes me on.
I've never heard someone complain about the flash speed of my cars
turn signals, so it kinda surprises me when people are a little more
set in their ways with something as globally loose as the Internet.

>
> > They distribute movies in New Zealand on behalf of most major film
> > companies, who
> > do NOT make Zone 1 discs available for retail in Zone 4 regions. I
> > wonder why
> > they went to such huge investments in DVD enryption and regional
> > scripting if
> > they wanted everyone to beat them to the big screen and rip off their
> > sales potential?
>
> Look everyone knows that Zoning is for marketing reasons. Very few people
> like it and IIRC when it was tested under Australian law it was found to
be
> illegal.
>
> > Why they thretened to take legal action against those importing Zone 1
> > titles in
> > to NZ, but can't track down small private transcations as well as
> > commercial sellers. They don't make the law, but the law protects
> > their works.
>
> Copyright protects their works, but it does not protect zoning.
>
> > The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
> > those who import these works that are not for release in this country
> > until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
> > hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
> > released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
> > off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half
> > the reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?
>
> Complete and utter bullshit. The distriution companies aren't getting
> ripped off. They're getting paid for the DVDs. What it does is decrease
> people going to Cinemas and distorts the "grossing figures" which exclude
> DVD sales.
>
> > I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
> > items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
> > importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
> > customs.
>
> I've already posted the links to NZ legislation that proves you're talking
> absolute nonsense on this point.
>
> > And the words arse and fuck aren't blather, a violent vocab' I sense.
>
> That sentence doesn't parse well.
>
> --
> rob singers
> pull finger to reply
> Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:31:42 +1300

"Gavin Stephens" wrote in message
news:yqQBd.4481$mo2.261356@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "Robert Singers" wrote in message
> news:Xns95D2E82302921rsingers@IP-Hidden...
> > Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said
> >
> > Gavin can you please set your wrap size to something smaller 76 is the
> > standard for IE. Tool | Options | News Sending Format | Plain Text
> > Settings.
>
> Mine is already at 76, and I counted one of your lines being 75 aswell.
> might be because I press enter at the end of some lines rather than
> just keep typing, might be wrapping wrong because of that?

Ok something is screwy with it, I didn't use enter at all in another post
and it still didn't wrap correctly. I wonder if this does in this long
sentence correctly or whether it just doesn't want to go along with what
it's being told to do. :o/

>
> I noticed newsgroups seem to be picky about they way you type or
> post, I'm guessing there is a logical reason my brain escapes me on.
> I've never heard someone complain about the flash speed of my cars
> turn signals, so it kinda surprises me when people are a little more
> set in their ways with something as globally loose as the Internet.
>
> >
> > > They distribute movies in New Zealand on behalf of most major film
> > > companies, who
> > > do NOT make Zone 1 discs available for retail in Zone 4 regions. I
> > > wonder why
> > > they went to such huge investments in DVD enryption and regional
> > > scripting if
> > > they wanted everyone to beat them to the big screen and rip off their
> > > sales potential?
> >
> > Look everyone knows that Zoning is for marketing reasons. Very few
people
> > like it and IIRC when it was tested under Australian law it was found to
> be
> > illegal.
> >
> > > Why they thretened to take legal action against those importing Zone 1
> > > titles in
> > > to NZ, but can't track down small private transcations as well as
> > > commercial sellers. They don't make the law, but the law protects
> > > their works.
> >
> > Copyright protects their works, but it does not protect zoning.
> >
> > > The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
> > > those who import these works that are not for release in this country
> > > until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
> > > hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
> > > released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
> > > off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half
> > > the reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?
> >
> > Complete and utter bullshit. The distriution companies aren't getting
> > ripped off. They're getting paid for the DVDs. What it does is decrease
> > people going to Cinemas and distorts the "grossing figures" which
exclude
> > DVD sales.
> >
> > > I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
> > > items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
> > > importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
> > > customs.
> >
> > I've already posted the links to NZ legislation that proves you're
talking
> > absolute nonsense on this point.
> >
> > > And the words arse and fuck aren't blather, a violent vocab' I sense.
> >
> > That sentence doesn't parse well.
> >
> > --
> > rob singers
> > pull finger to reply
> > Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere
>
>

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	3 Jan 2005 19:41:03 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said

> Ok something is screwy with it, I didn't use enter at all in another post
> and it still didn't wrap correctly. I wonder if this does in this long
> sentence correctly or whether it just doesn't want to go along with what
> it's being told to do. :o/

If you look at the same tab, there's a check box that says something like
reply in the same format as the original message. Make sure that's turned
on and your default posting format is text.

--
rob singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:08:41 +1300

Gavin Stephens wrote:

> I noticed newsgroups seem to be picky about they way you type or
> post, I'm guessing there is a logical reason my brain escapes me on.
> I've never heard someone complain about the flash speed of my cars
> turn signals, so it kinda surprises me when people are a little more
> set in their ways with something as globally loose as the Internet.

HTML posts solve the wrapping with quotes problem, but introduce a whole lot of
other issues with muppets using it, so is generally frowned upon.

The 76 is enough to allow 3 levels of quoting before it starts to wrap like a
zipper.

From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:15:07 +1300

Gavin Stephens wrote:

> The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
> those who import these works that are not for release in this country
> until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
> hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
> released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
> off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half the
> reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?

No, I like getting a dual layer so I get a decent image quality and DTS sound
instead of the inferior single layer local releases in a lot of cases.

Go have a look at the superbit DVDs, and compare that against the typical
compressed to hell zone 4 release.

For a while it was legal to parallel import DVDs, but the lame govt bowed to the
pressure from the US to change that, if they want to make money off a theatrical
release in NZ, then they should stop treating it like a 3rd world market and
have simultanious releases

> I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
> items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
> importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
> customs.

Private imports are allowed, authough its a grey area if amazon should be
selling, they sure dont allow you to buy lots of electronics internationally.

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:29:57 +1300

"Richard" wrote in message news:41d7d720$1_1@127.0.0.1...
> Gavin Stephens wrote:
>
> > The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
> > those who import these works that are not for release in this country
> > until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
> > hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
> > released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
> > off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half
the
> > reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?
>
> No, I like getting a dual layer so I get a decent image quality and DTS
sound
> instead of the inferior single layer local releases in a lot of cases.
>
> Go have a look at the superbit DVDs, and compare that against the typical
> compressed to hell zone 4 release.
>
> For a while it was legal to parallel import DVDs, but the lame govt bowed
to the
> pressure from the US to change that, if they want to make money off a
theatrical
> release in NZ, then they should stop treating it like a 3rd world market
and
> have simultanious releases

I wouldn't be surpised if customs are similar to MAF, a shipping agent
friend
of mine said you wouldn't beleive how little percentage as in 10% of
containers
coming in at a lot of warfs that actually get checked right through.

With digital delivery of stuff, which I think was how they did the Matrix
Revolutions
didn't they? for a world wide release will help bridge the gap more and
more. Rather
than wait on huge reels of film being duplicated and shipped way down the
track to
other countries.

>
> > I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
> > items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
> > importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
> > customs.
>
> Private imports are allowed, authough its a grey area if amazon should be
> selling, they sure dont allow you to buy lots of electronics
internationally.

Yeah I'm finding that at the moment with commercial grade sound cards
for PC's. Wasn't that the whole thing over the Intel Itanium processor when
George W Bush was going on about restricting exports of the USA so
we don't get their cream of the crop technology..... like the ball point
pen,
like we can't get it from any other country.

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:48:33 +1300

"Gavin Stephens" wrote in message
news:WWQBd.4487$mo2.261011@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "Richard" wrote in message
news:41d7d720$1_1@127.0.0.1...
> > Gavin Stephens wrote:
> >
> > > The industry has already kicked up a big storm over
> > > those who import these works that are not for release in this country
> > > until they are ready to be released on the film companies terms, they
> > > hold the respective rights to how and where and when films get
> > > released. Otherwise those film companies are being ripped
> > > off before ticket sales potential on the NZ big screen first. As half
> the
> > > reason for getting Zone 1's are for the newness of them, no?
> >
> > No, I like getting a dual layer so I get a decent image quality and DTS
> sound
> > instead of the inferior single layer local releases in a lot of cases.
> >
> > Go have a look at the superbit DVDs, and compare that against the
typical
> > compressed to hell zone 4 release.
> >
> > For a while it was legal to parallel import DVDs, but the lame govt
bowed
> to the
> > pressure from the US to change that, if they want to make money off a
> theatrical
> > release in NZ, then they should stop treating it like a 3rd world market
> and
> > have simultanious releases

I found another storey written in June 2004
http://www.bellgully.com/resources/resource_00008.asp that has an excemption
for private or personal use that still allows for it under the 2003
amendment act. Unless there's been something newer it may over-ride the
right of distribution clause, even though they've changed it that many times
lately to keep the US companies happy as you mention.

>
> I wouldn't be surpised if customs are similar to MAF, a shipping agent
> friend
> of mine said you wouldn't beleive how little percentage as in 10% of
> containers
> coming in at a lot of warfs that actually get checked right through.
>
> With digital delivery of stuff, which I think was how they did the Matrix
> Revolutions
> didn't they? for a world wide release will help bridge the gap more and
> more. Rather
> than wait on huge reels of film being duplicated and shipped way down the
> track to
> other countries.
>
> >
> > > I guess NZ doesn't enforce very good customs management of
> > > items that should be in the not allowed section under a private
> > > importer. It shouldn't be Amazon's job to monitor this, should be
> > > customs.
> >
> > Private imports are allowed, authough its a grey area if amazon should
be
> > selling, they sure dont allow you to buy lots of electronics
> internationally.
>
> Yeah I'm finding that at the moment with commercial grade sound cards
> for PC's. Wasn't that the whole thing over the Intel Itanium processor
when
> George W Bush was going on about restricting exports of the USA so
> we don't get their cream of the crop technology..... like the ball point
> pen,
> like we can't get it from any other country.
>
>

From:	Mackin
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:24:56 +1300

Gavin Stephens blathered:

> I found another storey written in June 2004
> http://www.bellgully.com/resources/resource_00008.asp that has an
> excemption for private or personal use that still allows for it under the
> 2003 amendment act. Unless there's been something newer it may over-ride
> the right of distribution clause, even though they've changed it that many
> times lately to keep the US companies happy as you mention.

Why don't you just read what the Office of Film and Literature
Classification has to say on their website. This has already been posted
in this thread but I'll post it again because you obviously need some help:

http://www.censorship.govt.nz/news11.html

And try reading the posts before you reply to them!!!

Mackin.

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:30:32 +1300

"Mackin" wrote in message
news:tKRBd.4492$mo2.262085@news.xtra.co.nz...
> Gavin Stephens blathered:
>
>
>
> > I found another storey written in June 2004
> > http://www.bellgully.com/resources/resource_00008.asp that has an
> > excemption for private or personal use that still allows for it under
the
> > 2003 amendment act. Unless there's been something newer it may over-ride
> > the right of distribution clause, even though they've changed it that
many
> > times lately to keep the US companies happy as you mention.
>
>
>
> Why don't you just read what the Office of Film and Literature
> Classification has to say on their website. This has already been posted
> in this thread but I'll post it again because you obviously need some
help:
>
> http://www.censorship.govt.nz/news11.html
>
> And try reading the posts before you reply to them!!!

I will, the link I included refers to the 2003 act which didn't come in to
effect until 7 months after the date of which the link you posted was
published or further out of date. So I would suggest the same perhaps.

>
> Mackin.

From:	Mackin
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:18:44 +1300

Gavin Stephens wrote:

>
>
> I will, the link I included refers to the 2003 act which didn't come in to
> effect until 7 months after the date of which the link you posted was
> published or further out of date. So I would suggest the same perhaps.
>

Fair comment, I failed to notice the date. My apologies.

However, it still doesn't alter the fact that a DVD *can* be legally
imported for *private use*. So buying a zone one DVD from Amazon for your
own use is perfectly legal.

Mackin.

From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:36:14 +1300

Mackin wrote:

> Why don't you just read what the Office of Film and Literature
> Classification has to say on their website. This has already been posted
> in this thread but I'll post it again because you obviously need some help:
>
> http://www.censorship.govt.nz/news11.html

Copyright is different, and those were the acts that were changed to allow and
then disallow the parallel importing of things.

From:	newsreader
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:58:00 +1300

What a load of cobblers !!!

Is that Woger ?

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	2 Jan 2005 19:00:50 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said

> All new movies available at the video store are also zone 4.
> They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
> large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
> or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
> offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
> is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
> are the distributors for DVD here.

Village Roadshow don't create Law in New Zealand

http://www.censorship.govt.nz/news11.html

Look under F in http://www.legislation.govt.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-
set=pal_statutes

--
rob "forgive the big words" singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:41:45 +1300

"Robert Singers" wrote in message
news:Xns95D2C169C33ADrsingers@IP-Hidden...
> Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said
>
> > All new movies available at the video store are also zone 4.
> > They don't stock any Zone 1's etc.. because the fine is to
> > large per offence. Anything other than Zone 1 is not imported
> > or distributed in New Zealand in any legal way. It is a criminal
> > offence to import/export zone 1's to New Zealand, as this
> > is not permited as far as I'm aware by village roadshow who
> > are the distributors for DVD here.
>
> Village Roadshow don't create Law in New Zealand
>
> http://www.censorship.govt.nz/news11.html
>
> Look under F in http://www.legislation.govt.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-
> set=pal_statutes
>
> --
> rob "forgive the big words" singers
> pull finger to reply
> Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

Although it's still the recording labels rights even before classifications
that must be upheld by law, glad you pointed out without it being
classified,
they still should not be legal to obtain.

Gavin.

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	2 Jan 2005 22:51:04 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said

> Although it's still the recording labels rights even before
> classifications that must be upheld by law, glad you pointed out
> without it being classified,
> they still should not be legal to obtain.

You didn't read anything did you. It clearly states it's not illegal to
import them, and if you had dug further you would have found no legislation
that protects zoning.

--
rob singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:20:14 +1300

"Robert Singers" wrote in message
news:Xns95D2E87327C3Ersingers@IP-Hidden...
> Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said
>
> > Although it's still the recording labels rights even before
> > classifications that must be upheld by law, glad you pointed out
> > without it being classified,
> > they still should not be legal to obtain.
>
> You didn't read anything did you. It clearly states it's not illegal to
> import them, and if you had dug further you would have found no
legislation
> that protects zoning.
>
> --
> rob singers
> pull finger to reply
> Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

I might have to read some more back in to the copyrighty act like the
following which
i'm sure covers something.

One of the core rights granted to copyright owners under section 16(1)(b) of
the Copyright Act 1994 is the exclusive right to issue copies of a work to
the public (sometimes referred to as "the right of distribution").

I might read more on this as I would at a guess think there's something in
this section
that talks about these kinds of issues and the copyright holders rights in
this manner.
Proberly been replaced by the amendment's afterwards though.

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	3 Jan 2005 19:39:56 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said

>> You didn't read anything did you. It clearly states it's not illegal
>> to import them, and if you had dug further you would have found no
>> legislation that protects zoning.
>
> I might have to read some more back in to the copyrighty act like the
> following which
> i'm sure covers something.
>
> One of the core rights granted to copyright owners under section
> 16(1)(b) of the Copyright Act 1994 is the exclusive right to issue
> copies of a work to the public (sometimes referred to as "the right of
> distribution").

That prevents illegal duplication, not legal sales, which is exactly what
purchasing the DVD from stores like Amazon in.

> I might read more on this as I would at a guess think there's
> something in this section
> that talks about these kinds of issues and the copyright holders
> rights in this manner.
> Proberly been replaced by the amendment's afterwards though.

Before you do, you need to try and grok that zoning is a *marketing*
tool.

--
rob singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	Gavin Stephens
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:45:42 +1300

"Robert Singers" wrote in message
news:Xns95D2E87327C3Ersingers@IP-Hidden...
> Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said
>
> > Although it's still the recording labels rights even before
> > classifications that must be upheld by law, glad you pointed out
> > without it being classified,
> > they still should not be legal to obtain.
>
> You didn't read anything did you. It clearly states it's not illegal to
> import them, and if you had dug further you would have found no
legislation
> that protects zoning.
>
> --
> rob singers
> pull finger to reply
> Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

I would have thought such large works would be covered by international
laws of some sorts to protect them from this sort of thing, their material
being released in countries the companis do not wish to release it to before
they begin duplication/distribution for that country after release on the
big
screen first.

Mind you, we do have some things the government can not keep up
with, nothing new there.

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	3 Jan 2005 19:40:47 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Gavin Stephens and said

> I would have thought such large works would be covered by
> international laws of some sorts to protect them from this sort of
> thing, their material being released in countries the companis do not
> wish to release it to before they begin duplication/distribution for
> that country after release on the big
> screen first.

You don't seem to understand that things such as zoning and producing
faulty CDs as a copy protection measure are very borderline under many
countries fair trading act. It would be bad law if a law did exist.

> Mind you, we do have some things the government can not keep up
> with, nothing new there.

Hopefully they won't pass any more bad law.

--
rob singers
pull finger to reply
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere

From:	The Ranger
Subject:	Re: Warehouse Transonic TC1386DV DVD player
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:23:18 +1300