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 | | From: | francois simonneau | | Subject: | display problem on opera 7364c (7.60 preview 4 | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:43:53 +0100 |
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 | Hi all
using Opera for a while there some site with does not work properly while
with firefox it works correctly
Here is an exemple
http://www.ducasse-online.com/frame_net/index.html
the problem is on the left panel. if you view this page with opera in
Author Mode (identifiy as Opera)
you get the picture of Alain Ducasse and the main topic but NOT the detail
of each major topic
if you view tis page in user mode then you see the topic and sub topic but
the picture is pushed at the botton of the left panel and the panel if a
lot longer than exepcted (try scroll it down with the mouse wheel)
with FF the page is displaying correctly
Here is another exemple
http://www.michaelpage.fr/index.html
the middle of the page disapeared and it's work fine with firefox
please fix theses problems or explain me what i'm doing wrong . I really
thing opera is better but theses small display problems are painful. Each
time a site does not work i need to move to firefox
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| | From: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek | | Subject: | Re: display problem on opera 7364c (7.60 preview 4 | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:47:24 +0100 |
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| On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:43:53 +0100, francois simonneau wrote:
> Hi all
> using Opera for a while there some site with does not work properly while
> with firefox it works correctly
>
> Here is an exemple
> http://www.ducasse-online.com/frame_net/index.html
>
> the problem is on the left panel. if you view this page with opera in
> Author Mode (identifiy as Opera)
> you get the picture of Alain Ducasse and the main topic but NOT the
> detail
> of each major topic
>
> if you view tis page in user mode then you see the topic and sub topic
> but the picture is pushed at the botton of the left panel and the panel
> if a
> lot longer than exepcted (try scroll it down with the mouse wheel)
>
> with FF the page is displaying correctly
No it isn't. Compare with MSIE: the left menu is supposed to be collapsed,
and opening on clicking the menu headers. Apparently Firefox gets lucky on
this page, because if misses out from the dynamic menu script completely.
The script only has forks for browsers that claim to support
'document.all' and 'document.layers', and Firefox supports neither. There
is no 'else' branch, nor a branch for modern browsers released after 1998.
> Here is another exemple
> http://www.michaelpage.fr/index.html
> the middle of the page disapeared and it's work fine with firefox
Seems to work fine in Opera 8 beta 1 as well.
> please fix theses problems or explain me what i'm doing wrong . I really
> thing opera is better but theses small display problems are painful. Each
> time a site does not work i need to move to firefox
Sometimes it helps to change the browser ID and reload the site. Sometimes
this doesn't help because Opera simply doesn't support functionaity the
site is using (but this is rare) or because of a bug in Opera. But most
often because the script doesn't take into consideration that there are
more than two browsers in the world, or that Opera 7 and Opear 8 are for
more capable in handling scripts than Opera 5 and 6, while the scripts
haven't been updated in years. Please contact the authors of those sites.
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The Web is a procrastination apparatus: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek
It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
|http://my.opera.com/Rijk/journal
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| | From: | francois | | Subject: | Re: display problem on opera 7364c (7.60 preview 4 | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:44:06 +0100 |
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:47:24 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:43:53 +0100, francois simonneau wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> using Opera for a while there some site with does not work properly
>> while
>> with firefox it works correctly
>>
>> Here is an exemple
>> http://www.ducasse-online.com/frame_net/index.html
>>
>> the problem is on the left panel. if you view this page with opera in
>> Author Mode (identifiy as Opera)
>> you get the picture of Alain Ducasse and the main topic but NOT the
>> detail
>> of each major topic
>>
>> if you view tis page in user mode then you see the topic and sub topic
>> but the picture is pushed at the botton of the left panel and the panel
>> if a
>> lot longer than exepcted (try scroll it down with the mouse wheel)
>>
>> with FF the page is displaying correctly
>
> No it isn't. Compare with MSIE: the left menu is supposed to be
> collapsed, and opening on clicking the menu headers. Apparently Firefox
> gets lucky on this page, because if misses out from the dynamic menu
> script completely. The script only has forks for browsers that claim to
> support 'document.all' and 'document.layers', and Firefox supports
> neither. There is no 'else' branch, nor a branch for modern browsers
> released after 1998.
>
OK I understand your argument and if you think at user point of view, you
are saying that the site is not build correctly and the user has no luck
if it use opera because opera is written correctly
this is a bit provocative, I recognise that. Nevertheless i find on time
to time sites with works with opera & not with FF
SO what to do ? (and changing opera identify does not help all the time)
I propose each time i find one a i sent to the news group
>> Here is another exemple
>> http://www.michaelpage.fr/index.html
>> the middle of the page disapeared and it's work fine with firefox
strange it really does not work for me whether i'm identifying as opera,FF
or MSIE, opera configuration problem ?
>
> Seems to work fine in Opera 8 beta 1 as well.
>
>> please fix theses problems or explain me what i'm doing wrong . I really
>> thing opera is better but theses small display problems are painful.
>> Each
>> time a site does not work i need to move to firefox
>
> Sometimes it helps to change the browser ID and reload the site.
> Sometimes this doesn't help because Opera simply doesn't support
> functionaity the site is using (but this is rare) or because of a bug in
> Opera. But most often because the script doesn't take into consideration
> that there are more than two browsers in the world, or that Opera 7 and
> Opear 8 are for more capable in handling scripts than Opera 5 and 6,
> while the scripts haven't been updated in years. Please contact the
> authors of those sites.
>
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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| | From: | francois | | Subject: | Re: display problem on opera 7364c (7.60 preview 4 | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:08:52 +0100 |
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:47:24 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:43:53 +0100, francois simonneau wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> using Opera for a while there some site with does not work properly
>> while
>> with firefox it works correctly
>>
>> Here is an exemple
>> http://www.ducasse-online.com/frame_net/index.html
>>
>> the problem is on the left panel. if you view this page with opera in
>> Author Mode (identifiy as Opera)
>> you get the picture of Alain Ducasse and the main topic but NOT the
>> detail
>> of each major topic
>>
>> if you view tis page in user mode then you see the topic and sub topic
>> but the picture is pushed at the botton of the left panel and the panel
>> if a
>> lot longer than exepcted (try scroll it down with the mouse wheel)
>>
>> with FF the page is displaying correctly
>
> No it isn't. Compare with MSIE: the left menu is supposed to be
> collapsed, and opening on clicking the menu headers. Apparently Firefox
> gets lucky on this page, because if misses out from the dynamic menu
> script completely. The script only has forks for browsers that claim to
> support 'document.all' and 'document.layers', and Firefox supports
> neither. There is no 'else' branch, nor a branch for modern browsers
> released after 1998.
>
OK I understand your argument and if you think at user point of view, you
are saying that the site is not build correctly and the user has no luck
if it use opera because opera is written correctly
this is a bit provocative, I recognise that. Nevertheless i find on time
to time sites with works with opera & not with FF
SO what to do ? (and changing opera identify does not help all the time)
I propose each time i find one a i sent to the news group
>> Here is another exemple
>> http://www.michaelpage.fr/index.html
>> the middle of the page disapeared and it's work fine with firefox
strange it really does not work for me whether i'm identifying as opera,FF
or MSIE, opera configuration problem ?
>
> Seems to work fine in Opera 8 beta 1 as well.
>
>> please fix theses problems or explain me what i'm doing wrong . I really
>> thing opera is better but theses small display problems are painful.
>> Each
>> time a site does not work i need to move to firefox
>
> Sometimes it helps to change the browser ID and reload the site.
> Sometimes this doesn't help because Opera simply doesn't support
> functionaity the site is using (but this is rare) or because of a bug in
> Opera. But most often because the script doesn't take into consideration
> that there are more than two browsers in the world, or that Opera 7 and
> Opear 8 are for more capable in handling scripts than Opera 5 and 6,
> while the scripts haven't been updated in years. Please contact the
> authors of those sites.
>
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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| | From: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek | | Subject: | Re: display problem on opera 7364c (7.60 preview 4 | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:49:08 +0100 |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:08:52 +0100, francois wrote:
...
> OK I understand your argument and if you think at user point of view, you
> are saying that the site is not build correctly and the user has no luck
> if it use opera because opera is written correctly
Yes, that happens on several sites. Mind you: I'm not blaming websites for
every problem Opera has. But in the case of dynamic menus, Opera 7.5 is
perfectly capable of handling all the common scripts, as long as it they
are presented in the right way. That usually means that the scripts need
to have either no browser-detection, or up-to-date browser detection.
> this is a bit provocative, I recognise that. Nevertheless i find on time
> to time sites with works with opera & not with FF
> SO what to do ? (and changing opera identify does not help all the time)
> I propose each time i find one a i sent to the news group
That is fine by me. Unless the issue is specific for the latest beta
release (which means we probably can quickly fix it as well), the group
opera.page-display is the right newsgroup for such messages. Or
opera.general is want a bigger audience. Along with telling us though,
please also tell the webmaster. They might sometimes not respond or
respond negatively, but if no-one tells them their sites don't work in
Opera they are unlikely to fix their site.
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The Web is a procrastination apparatus: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek
It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
|http://my.opera.com/Rijk/journal
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| | From: | Andrew Gregory | | Subject: | Re: display problem on opera 7364c (7.60 preview 4 | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:27:41 +0800 |
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| On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:43:53 +0100, francois simonneau
wrote:
> using Opera for a while there some site with does not work properly while
> with firefox it works correctly
>
> Here is an exemple
> http://www.ducasse-online.com/frame_net/index.html
>
> with FF the page is displaying correctly
Actually, no. The menu should collapse to hide the sub-items. Compare IE,
for example. IE looks like Opera, except you can click on the headings to
open them out. In Opera, disable Javascript and reload the page. The page
is actually using some extremely old code designed for NS4/IE4! I can't
figure out why the click-to-open-sub-menus isn't working in Opera. The
script is using CSS clipping to chop up the menu image (that entire side
menu is one image), and it appears that doing that disables the image map
hot-clickable areas.
There are now much better menu scripts readily available. The site really
should update to a newer one that works in *modern* browsers.
> http://www.michaelpage.fr/index.html
> the middle of the page disapeared and it's work fine with firefox
I see no difference between Opera and Firefox?
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Andrew Gregory
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