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 | | From: | Lance Obermeyer | | Subject: | Re: Pervasive PostgreSQL Announcement | | Date: | Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:31:27 -0600 |
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 | Just to clarify, our product name is "Pervasive Postgres" I've tried to be consistent in referring to my version as "Pervasive Postgres" and the community version as "PostgreSQL". I've instructed others in my company to try and be precise in their use of the two terms as well. Also, nobody else could ever have used the term "Pervasive Postgres" since "Pervasive" is a registered trademark. A random person is still free to use the term "MyCompany Postgres", since "Postgres" is a generic term, not registered as anybody's trademark.
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From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net]
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Cc: Simon Riggs; Bruce Momjian; josh@agliodbs.com;
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Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Pervasive PostgreSQL Announcement
Am Dienstag, 11. Januar 2005 13:42 schrieb Robert Treat:
> Whose trademark would it infringe upon?
The point is, they are claiming trademark on a name that was hitherto free for
everyone to use.
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| | From: | Peter Eisentraut | | Subject: | Re: Pervasive PostgreSQL Announcement | | Date: | Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:22:57 +0100 |
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| Am Dienstag, 11. Januar 2005 16:31 schrieb Lance Obermeyer:
> Also, nobody
> else could ever have used the term "Pervasive Postgres" since "Pervasive"
> is a registered trademark. A random person is still free to use the term
> "MyCompany Postgres", since "Postgres" is a generic term, not registered as
> anybody's trademark.
I'm not even so much worried about Pervasive claiming a trademark on a name
that is generally considered some kind of "community property", whatever that
means. What I'm puzzled about is that you are clearly aware that
"PostgreSQL" is a registered trademark, and that you try to sidestep that
problem by calling your product "Postgres". Everyone who is even slightly
familiar with trademark regulations knows that that doesn't work. At the
same time you are undermining our eternal effort to teach people the correct
name of our product. So that leaves me to believe either (a) the legal
department of Pervasive is incompetent, or (b) the marketing department of
Pervasive is incompetent, or (c) you are trying to get away with something,
or (d) you are trying to lay claim on the name "PostgreSQL" through the
backdoor. Please educate us.
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| | From: | Elein Mustain | | Subject: | Re: Pervasive PostgreSQL Announcement | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:29:15 -0800 |
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| One more significant point is that Pervasive is trying to
"say out loud" that with this product they are or trying to be
part of the postgres community. They are not trying to usurp
the word but rather join in the frey.
--elein
PS: Please, please approve my posts...my smtp is broken
from my usual address :-(
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 06:22:57PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 11. Januar 2005 16:31 schrieb Lance Obermeyer:
> > Also, nobody
> > else could ever have used the term "Pervasive Postgres" since "Pervasive"
> > is a registered trademark. A random person is still free to use the term
> > "MyCompany Postgres", since "Postgres" is a generic term, not registered as
> > anybody's trademark.
>
> I'm not even so much worried about Pervasive claiming a trademark on a name
> that is generally considered some kind of "community property", whatever that
> means. What I'm puzzled about is that you are clearly aware that
> "PostgreSQL" is a registered trademark, and that you try to sidestep that
> problem by calling your product "Postgres". Everyone who is even slightly
> familiar with trademark regulations knows that that doesn't work. At the
> same time you are undermining our eternal effort to teach people the correct
> name of our product. So that leaves me to believe either (a) the legal
> department of Pervasive is incompetent, or (b) the marketing department of
> Pervasive is incompetent, or (c) you are trying to get away with something,
> or (d) you are trying to lay claim on the name "PostgreSQL" through the
> backdoor. Please educate us.
>
> --
> Peter Eisentraut
> http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
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| | From: | Joshua D. Drake | | Subject: | Re: Pervasive PostgreSQL Announcement | | Date: | Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:33:06 -0800 |
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> I'm not even so much worried about Pervasive claiming a trademark on a name
> that is generally considered some kind of "community property", whatever that
> means. What I'm puzzled about is that you are clearly aware that
> "PostgreSQL" is a registered trademark, and that you try to sidestep that
> problem by calling your product "Postgres". Everyone who is even slightly
> familiar with trademark regulations knows that that doesn't work. At the
> same time you are undermining our eternal effort to teach people the correct
> name of our product. So that leaves me to believe either (a) the legal
> department of Pervasive is incompetent, or (b) the marketing department of
> Pervasive is incompetent, or (c) you are trying to get away with something,
> or (d) you are trying to lay claim on the name "PostgreSQL" through the
> backdoor. Please educate us.
Or perhaps, they are just protecting their collective business
interests. I seriously doubt that Pervasive has any level of ulterior
motive here. They are a business, they want to make money.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>
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