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 | | From: | John Hansen | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:02:37 +1100 |
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 | Folks,
Asking this again as it seems my question got lost, or at least unanswered.
Why not just contact IBM, and get their opinion?
As I said before, we might just get a promise of a full licence for if/when the patent is granted.
.... John
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| | From: | Joshua D. Drake | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:12:16 -0800 |
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John Hansen wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Asking this again as it seems my question got lost, or at least unanswered.
>
>Why not just contact IBM, and get their opinion?
>
>
1. We don't have attorneys to do so.
2. The PostgreSQL community is not a legal entity it can license to.
3. It would take weeks if not months to get an answer
4. The patent isn't issed yet.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>As I said before, we might just get a promise of a full licence for if/when the patent is granted.
>
>... John
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| | From: | Jonah H. Harris | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:49:54 -0700 |
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| We could still get their opinion.
I have a couple aquaintances at IBM that I can try to contact about it.
Rather than assume what IBM will do, why not just ask them? If they
don't respond, they don't respond. If they do respond, it's better than
us guessing.
Yes, it's only going to matter if the patent is issued, but why not make
an effort to get some info from them?
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> John Hansen wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Asking this again as it seems my question got lost, or at least
>> unanswered.
>>
>> Why not just contact IBM, and get their opinion?
>>
>>
> 1. We don't have attorneys to do so.
> 2. The PostgreSQL community is not a legal entity it can license to.
> 3. It would take weeks if not months to get an answer
> 4. The patent isn't issed yet.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>
>> As I said before, we might just get a promise of a full licence for
>> if/when the patent is granted.
>>
>> ... John
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| | From: | Tom Lane | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:57:22 -0500 |
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| "Jonah H. Harris" writes:
> I have a couple aquaintances at IBM that I can try to contact about it.
> Rather than assume what IBM will do, why not just ask them? If they
> don't respond, they don't respond. If they do respond, it's better than
> us guessing.
People seem to be assuming that asking IBM is a zero-risk thing. It's not.
If they are forced to deal with the issue, they might well feel that
they have to take action that we'd not like; whereas as long as it's not
officially in front of them, they can pretend to ignore us.
This is not a whole lot different from our situation today: now that the
issue of the pending patent is officially in front of us, we have to
deal with it.
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| | From: | Joshua D. Drake | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:58:05 -0800 |
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Jonah H. Harris wrote:
> We could still get their opinion.
>
> I have a couple aquaintances at IBM that I can try to contact about
> it. Rather than assume what IBM will do, why not just ask them? If
> they don't respond, they don't respond. If they do respond, it's
> better than us guessing.
>
> Yes, it's only going to matter if the patent is issued, but why not
> make an effort to get some info from them?
Well I believe it is Core's decision to make.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drkae
>
>
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>> John Hansen wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Asking this again as it seems my question got lost, or at least
>>> unanswered.
>>>
>>> Why not just contact IBM, and get their opinion?
>>>
>>>
>> 1. We don't have attorneys to do so.
>> 2. The PostgreSQL community is not a legal entity it can license to.
>> 3. It would take weeks if not months to get an answer
>> 4. The patent isn't issed yet.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joshua D. Drake
>>
>>
>>> As I said before, we might just get a promise of a full licence for
>>> if/when the patent is granted.
>>>
>>> ... John
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| | From: | Greg Stark | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 20:13:50 -0500 |
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"Joshua D. Drake" writes:
> John Hansen wrote:
>
> >Folks,
> >
> >Asking this again as it seems my question got lost, or at least unanswered.
> >
> >Why not just contact IBM, and get their opinion?
> >
> 1. We don't have attorneys to do so.
> 2. The PostgreSQL community is not a legal entity it can license to.
> 3. It would take weeks if not months to get an answer
> 4. The patent isn't issed yet.
Don't forget:
5. They would also have to license everyone else who might want to repackage
or use Postgres. Such as Fujitsu, a big competitor of theirs.
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| | From: | Bruce Momjian | | Subject: | Re: ARC patent | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:34:06 -0500 (EST) |
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| John Hansen wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Asking this again as it seems my question got lost, or at least
> unanswered.
>
> Why not just contact IBM, and get their opinion?
>
> As I said before, we might just get a promise of a full licence for
> if/when the patent is granted.
I doubt we can get a license that would cover companies that package
PostgreSQL. While I don't think they would attack them I also don't
think they can give a blanket approval in writing.
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