On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:14:03 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6144406609&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
>
>World's gone mad 8-(
________

Mad is right. Your son can't even use it 'cause there's no bottle in
the Thermos!!

Marshall

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:43:44 +0000

In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=
>
>World's gone mad 8-(

World???????

--
Ronnie

From:	Forest Duck
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:34:16 -0600

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:9hmpu0l064egtv3hqbol14hvln766g3l32@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=
>>
>>World's gone mad 8-(
>
>
> World???????
>
>
>
> Ronnie

Actually, for a person of means, it matters little if you are talking
lunchboxes or art. If he is a true collector, 12000.00 is a small amount to
pay for an object of his/her desires.
We can argue the lasting value question forever, even the intrinsic value of
one over the other, but, for that one individual, at this particular time,
nothing matters except the possesion of THE LUNCHKIT!
People from Europe and Japan pay over 100.00 for a pear of worn out Levi's
too.
I applaud the seller, and, the buyer. Thanks for spreading the money around.

--
Texas Lurker
Bob Hay
forkaduck@yahoo.com

From:	Marshall Schuon
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:40:12 -0500

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:34:16 -0600, "Forest Duck"
wrote:

>People from Europe and Japan pay over 100.00 for a pear of worn out Levi's
>too.
>I applaud the seller, and, the buyer. Thanks for spreading the money around.

_________

$100 ought to buy a peach of a pear! What say ye, Doug?

Marshall

From:	Smorgass Bored
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:20:32 -0500

$100 ought to buy a peach of a pear! What say ye, Doug?
Marshall

(*<~ I think you should get a pair of pears for $100..

and, a seedless watermelon.. imo
NEXT,

Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~

From:	Janice Hudnall
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:46:32 -0500

Hurray! A real discussion.... seems like old times! Welcome back Mr. Dennis
Janice

From:	Roy Dennis
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:12:14 -0000

Thanks Janice. Don't be formal, it's "Roy".

Just think of all the sneering about *bay on this forum some 3 - 4 years
ago. Now it's brought us all together again ;>). Incidentally one of the
reasons *bay is referred to as yAbe or *bay, etc is because the Trojans kept
trapping the reference to the "proper" name. My memory is coming back!
--
Roy Dennis
Please visit my new website
www.deepingsnews.org.uk

"Janice Hudnall" wrote in message
news:Qs9Id.37$dW3.16@fe39.usenetserver.com...
> Hurray! A real discussion.... seems like old times! Welcome back Mr.
Dennis
> Janice
>
>
>

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:51:32 +0000

In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:

>People from Europe >snip< pay over 100.00 for a pear of worn out Levi's
>too.

Where!! from Oxfam you mean? Some how, I don't think so. One could buy a
NEW pair of "worn-out" 501s (or even NEW worn and ripped ones - fashion
ya know?) for less than a 100 bucks - Oxfam!! even cheaper.

But whatever. I don't think there would be too many in Europe who would
pay TWELVE THOUSAND bucks for a kid's lunchbox.

>I applaud the seller, and, the buyer. Thanks for spreading the money around.

Yea, with seller and buyer, care in the community springs to mind.

With that much money to waste, send some bucks to the starving and dying
in Africa, why don't ya?

--
Ronnie

From:	Forest Duck
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:14:40 -0600

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:mppqu056ufhea24bg5e1sbk8c6opusaaah@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:
>
>
>>People from Europe >snip< pay over 100.00 for a pear of worn out Levi's
>>too.
>
> Where!! from Oxfam you mean? Some how, I don't think so. One could buy a
> NEW pair of "worn-out" 501s (or even NEW worn and ripped ones - fashion
> ya know?) for less than a 100 bucks - Oxfam!! even cheaper.
>
> But whatever. I don't think there would be too many in Europe who would
> pay TWELVE THOUSAND bucks for a kid's lunchbox.
>
>>I applaud the seller, and, the buyer. Thanks for spreading the money
>>around.
>
> Yea, with seller and buyer, care in the community springs to mind.
>
>
> With that much money to waste, send some bucks to the starving and dying
> in Africa, why don't ya?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From Business Week online: (quote)
For those in the market for classic American threads, Levi's 501 blue jeans
costs $106.74 at Levi's stores in London.
http://yahoo.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2004/nf2004128_2328.htm

You may also check out the US Aid to The Sudan here.
http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/sudan/darfur.html

--
Texas Lurker
Bob Hay
forkaduck@yahoo.com

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:38:24 +0000

In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:

>From Business Week online: (quote)
>For those in the market for classic American threads, Levi's 501 blue jeans
>costs $106.74 at Levi's stores in London.
>http://yahoo.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2004/nf2004128_2328.htm
>

Whatever the hell Levi's jeans has got to do with anything FWIW

Hi Bob. Which part of "Levi's Store - London" in the article do you not
understand? ... is that the Regent Street one or the Kensington High
Street branch? - Get into the real world - (Women's fashion) Levi's
more like 20-40 quid or 30-60€uro.

100USD = (approx) 55GBP
100USD = (approx) 77€uro

And quite honestly USA Foreign Policy regarding Sudan has been
disgraceful to say the least. The USA should deal with Sudan as a
country, not bomb and sanction it, merely treating it as a font for
terrorism.

Your Government is currently so guilt ridden it's set to devour itself
with its own self-righteousness.

--
Ronnie

From:	Marshall Schuon
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:41:44 -0500

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:38:24 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

>
>
>Your Government is currently so guilt ridden it's set to devour itself
>with its own self-righteousness.
____

Ah, but Bush has made no mistakes. Just ask him.

Marshall

From:	proudmari
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:58:39 -0800

aliron@nowhere.net.org (Ronnie=A0McKinley)

>Your Government is currently so guilt
> ridden it's set to devour itself with its
> own self-righteousness.

>Ronnie

Only Ronnie McKinley could turn a light-hearted thread about a
collectible lunchbox into a self-righteous, hate-filled tirade against
America.

Great way to promote your supposed agenda of 'World Peace' Ronnie.

proudmari

From:	Forest Duck
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:39 -0600

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:utgsu0p3cpu3b3bp7gv7h6caqn6523kh99@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:
>
>
>>From Business Week online: (quote)
>>For those in the market for classic American threads, Levi's 501 blue
>>jeans
>>costs $106.74 at Levi's stores in London.
>>http://yahoo.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2004/nf2004128_2328.htm
>>
>
> Whatever the hell Levi's jeans has got to do with anything FWIW
>
>
> Hi Bob. Which part of "Levi's Store - London" in the article do you not
> understand? ... is that the Regent Street one or the Kensington High
> Street branch? - Get into the real world - (Women's fashion) Levi's
> more like 20-40 quid or 30-60?uro.
>
> 100USD = (approx) 55GBP
> 100USD = (approx) 77?uro
>
> And quite honestly USA Foreign Policy regarding Sudan has been
> disgraceful to say the least. The USA should deal with Sudan as a
> country, not bomb and sanction it, merely treating it as a font for
> terrorism.
>
>
> Your Government is currently so guilt ridden it's set to devour itself
> with its own self-righteousness.
>
> Ronnie

All I'm saying is, what someone pays for an object they desire is not
anyone's business. While you may say they are crazy, I just don't think
it's that big a deal. At least not when you compare it to the cost of a
copper bathtub for 5000 US. (per 1998 Miller's) I know what you think of
Millers and I also think book prices are too high in this instance.
As I said before, if someone wants to buy some item of interest to them, and
they have the means, they should be able to buy it at any price they are
willing to pay. He may have cut a check for 200,000 the day before for the
victims of the Tsunami. Who knows. And who are we to judge?

--
Texas Lurker
Bob Hay
forkaduck@yahoo.com

From:	Andy Dingley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:16:18 +0000

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:39 -0600, "Forest Duck"
wrote:

>As I said before, if someone wants to buy some item of interest to them, and
>they have the means, they should be able to buy it at any price they are
>willing to pay.

Indeed they should. But this is a piece of crap - for that price they
could have bought something worth having.

This is an elitist attitude, and proudly so. If you _can_ have any
notion of "fine art", you have to accept the existence of some
standard of objective quality, not just personal interest.

If I were rich, and I wanted to collect the "history of post-Ford
consumerism through children's artefacts", then I might well spend
$12K on a nice Japanese giant robot toy of the era. They're cute, I
can see the attraction of collecting the bright tin toys (and even
lunchboxes) of the period. But this thing is ugly - it's a prototype,
not even a finished product. Can anyone really claim that the
_lunchbox_ is a significant enough step in the history of consumption
to be worth $12K ? Elvis' suit, Churchill' cigar stub from Yalta,
those have a significance that this thing just does not.

I'm not rich - $12K is something I might spend, I might even spend it
on a hobby, but not on a one-off collectible of _any_ quality. But
there are plenty of people around who do have that sort of dispoable
cash. This isn't about condemning a collector who spends $12K, it's
about a mere _lunchbox_.

--
Smert' spamionam

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:26 +0000

In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:

>All I'm saying is, what someone pays for an object they desire is not
>anyone's business. While you may say they are crazy, I just don't think
>it's that big a deal. At least not when you compare it to the cost of a
>copper bathtub for 5000 US.

Andy Dingbat sums it up nicely.

Whichever, which way you try to cut it, the thing is a useless piece of
shite and is merely a fickle of little or no importance. Wasted money
which IMO could be spent on something more meaningful and significant in
the antique or collectible context.

Yeap, it's his/her money, they can shoot it up their vein for all I
really care. Amounts to the same thing.

--
Ronnie

From:	Marshall Schuon
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:46:06 -0500

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:26 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

>
>Yeap, it's his/her money, they can shoot it up their vein for all I
>really care. Amounts to the same thing.
_____

In fact, people been shooting Hopalong into their veins for a good
long time now.

M.

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT

"Marshall Schuon" wrote in message
news:9couu0hqih5bhe6pi1enr4fkvoi6c4v4m0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:26 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Yeap, it's his/her money, they can shoot it up their vein for all I
>>really care. Amounts to the same thing.
> _____
>
> In fact, people been shooting Hopalong into their veins for a good
> long time now.
>
> M.

......as well as , the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, and several other American
pop culture icons. Any dealer with half a brain knows that prototypes are
the most sought after item in any series.
A couple of years ago, i watched GI Joe prototype action figures and hand
painted boxes go in the 20-30k range. (on e-bay)
If a customer had walked into ronnies store and dropped a thousand on a
lunch box, i guess that would be a different story , right? We have all made
a living ( albeit modest) from individuals who just "gotta have" that
"widget". A smart dealer knows what may connect with a given customer even
if the dealer his/her self , may not have any interest or connection to the
piece. We are dealers, not judges on a given persons buying habits. I will
note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie" .......much like his "save
the children" anti US bullshit.

>

From:	Andy Dingley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:56:08 +0000

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
wrote:

>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"

Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!

Taking $12K off people who want to buy lunchboxes is just
redistribution of wealth from the gullible. It works for me.

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:08:09 GMT

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
news:adovu0ddrhup1hncjo1sq2b9p0ggsceibk@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
> wrote:
>
>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>
> Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
> godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!

yeah.....its tough being me.

>
>
> Taking $12K off people who want to buy lunchboxes is just
> redistribution of wealth from the gullible. It works for me.

......'specially if you're the receiver......and the redistribution is
mutually agreeable. but if person "A" reaches into person "B's pocket and
hands it to person "C" (the Canadian method) then thats not so cool , is it?

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:52:19 +0000

In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
> wrote:
>
>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>
>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!

Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North of the
border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:57:39 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:porvu050fdo889830f6e71c8r9tkg8f3g3@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>>
>>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
>>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!
>
>
> Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North of the
> border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.

Friggin' right, my pompous Churchillian cyber nemesis........If you wish to
see just how redneck I am, just google over to "Tubby's Garage" and check
out my recent interview with car and driver magazine where they have a
wonderful pic of my "redneckedness".......

>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Andy Dingley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:16:29 +0000

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:57:39 GMT, "Sanity"
wrote:

>just google over to "Tubby's Garage"

To quote Google

"Did you mean: Bubba's Garage"

From:	Marshall Schuon
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:17:04 -0500

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:16:29 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:57:39 GMT, "Sanity"
> wrote:
>
>>just google over to "Tubby's Garage"
>
>To quote Google
>
>"Did you mean: Bubba's Garage"
_______

Yeah, I love that!

Marshall

PS: I was once asked to do a NY Times piece on new uses for old gas
stations, and I found one place in which a station had been converted
into an art school. They used the old vehicle lift as a platform for
nude models in order to give students various perspectives. It made a
good story that ran in the lower righthand corner of Page One of the
paper's Home Section. Unfortunately, the story in the opposite corner
had a headline that referred to "Preorgasmic Women." My own informal
survey showed that absolutely no one even noticed MY story. :(

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:02:24 GMT

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
news:hv31v0hsqj2dtcv78g7um8eni44gd8vf93@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:57:39 GMT, "Sanity"
> wrote:
>
>>just google over to "Tubby's Garage"
>
> To quote Google
>
> "Did you mean: Bubba's Garage"

"Tubby's bar" in Florida is funny too..........but "Bubba" culture is
closer to my heart......

>

From:	Smorgass Bored
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:07:00 -0500

inSanity swears:
"Tubby's bar" in Florida is funny too..........but "Bubba" culture
is
closer to my heart......

(*<~ Alright, alright, that's about enough of THAT.

Tampa Tubby

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:23:20 GMT

"Sanity" wrote in message
news:7sYHd.6333$Qb.2895@edtnps89...
>
> "Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
> news:porvu050fdo889830f6e71c8r9tkg8f3g3@4ax.com...
> > In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
> >>
> >>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
> >>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!
> >
> >
> > Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North of
the
> > border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.
>
> Friggin' right, my pompous Churchillian cyber nemesis........If you
wish to
> see just how redneck I am, just google over to "Tubby's Garage" and
check
> out my recent interview with car and driver magazine where they have a
> wonderful pic of my "redneckedness".......

Very cool!

Now I'm acquainted with *two* people who've purchased and
remodeled old gas stations! My friend Laurel Kane purchased a
Route 66 station in Afton OK a few years ago:
http://postcardsfromtheroad.net/afton.shtml

Kris
The world is safe from me buying one

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:37:58 GMT

"Kris Baker" wrote in message
news:cQYHd.20024$by5.2634@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Sanity" wrote in message
> news:7sYHd.6333$Qb.2895@edtnps89...
>>
>> "Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>> news:porvu050fdo889830f6e71c8r9tkg8f3g3@4ax.com...
>> > In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>> >>
>> >>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
>> >>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!
>> >
>> >
>> > Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North of
> the
>> > border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.
>>
>> Friggin' right, my pompous Churchillian cyber nemesis........If you
> wish to
>> see just how redneck I am, just google over to "Tubby's Garage" and
> check
>> out my recent interview with car and driver magazine where they have a
>> wonderful pic of my "redneckedness".......
>
>
> Very cool!
>
> Now I'm acquainted with *two* people who've purchased and
> remodeled old gas stations! My friend Laurel Kane purchased a
> Route 66 station in Afton OK a few years ago:
> http://postcardsfromtheroad.net/afton.shtml
>
> Kris
> The world is safe from me buying one

Thanks for the link Kris.........love the '49 black and white shot. Nice job
on the resto....kudos to your friends. In reality, my building was designed
by my wife and I and built from scratch. She's a helluva an artist and drew
the building in color 8 years ago. We built it 2 years ago and designed our
residence to look like an old general store with all the vintage signage as
well. Been working on a webpage lately but its become so well visited(the
store) I don't have much time for anything else.....Ronnies comments
notwithstanding. He thinks because I carry 10% repop i'm a whore......I've
got a wife and two kids to raise soooooo......if the public wants it , they
get it. Its called survival, pure and simple. As if Ronnie never carried any
shite in his store ;^).....
You can't give away British crap in this market........

>
>

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:08:45 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>Ronnies comments
>notwithstanding. He thinks because I carry 10% repop i'm a whore......I've
>got a wife and two kids to raise soooooo......if the public wants it , they
>get it. Its called survival, pure and simple. As if Ronnie never carried any
>shite in his store ;^).....

You and your business is in the tourist industry. Your "store" is a
novelty local tourist attraction. Selling (it would appear) for the
*most* part, repro-retro, and over worked restored (semi-modern)
nostalgia. You, yourself, call it "your tourist trap" LOL - Nothing
wrong with any of that. Up front and honest, at least. It's the
"antiques" part of it which I have the problem with, and your posting
history (to this ng - mainly on furniture restoration) which quite
honestly would be laughable if it wasn't so dishonest.

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:59:21 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:q332v0d962mq2l37taphta44mskgufj7dk@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>>Ronnies comments
>>notwithstanding. He thinks because I carry 10% repop i'm a whore......I've
>>got a wife and two kids to raise soooooo......if the public wants it ,
>>they
>>get it. Its called survival, pure and simple. As if Ronnie never carried
>>any
>>shite in his store ;^).....
>
>
> You and your business is in the tourist industry. Your "store" is a
> novelty local tourist attraction. Selling (it would appear) for the
> *most* part, repro-retro, and over worked restored (semi-modern)
> nostalgia. You, yourself, call it "your tourist trap" LOL - Nothing
> wrong with any of that. Up front and honest, at least. It's the
> "antiques" part of it which I have the problem with, and your posting
> history (to this ng - mainly on furniture restoration) which quite
> honestly would be laughable if it wasn't so dishonest.

All of the above is true...... there are many facets to the antique bizz in
a contemporary sense.
However, your comments regarding 'dishonest" in regard to furniture
restoration are a tad over the top......but i have grown accustomed to your
" i am holier than thou" epiphets.

>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:27:16 GMT

"Sanity" wrote in message
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>
> "Kris Baker" wrote in message
> news:cQYHd.20024$by5.2634@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "Sanity" wrote in message
> > news:7sYHd.6333$Qb.2895@edtnps89...
> >>
> >> "Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
> >> news:porvu050fdo889830f6e71c8r9tkg8f3g3@4ax.com...
> >> > In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
> >> >>
> >> >>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes
you a
> >> >>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North
of
> > the
> >> > border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.
> >>
> >> Friggin' right, my pompous Churchillian cyber nemesis........If you
> > wish to
> >> see just how redneck I am, just google over to "Tubby's Garage" and
> > check
> >> out my recent interview with car and driver magazine where they
have a
> >> wonderful pic of my "redneckedness".......
> >
> >
> > Very cool!
> >
> > Now I'm acquainted with *two* people who've purchased and
> > remodeled old gas stations! My friend Laurel Kane purchased a
> > Route 66 station in Afton OK a few years ago:
> > http://postcardsfromtheroad.net/afton.shtml
> >
> > Kris
> > The world is safe from me buying one
>
>
> Thanks for the link Kris.........love the '49 black and white shot.
Nice job
> on the resto....kudos to your friends. In reality, my building was
designed
> by my wife and I and built from scratch. She's a helluva an artist and
drew
> the building in color 8 years ago. We built it 2 years ago and
designed our
> residence to look like an old general store with all the vintage
signage as
> well. Been working on a webpage lately but its become so well
visited(the
> store) I don't have much time for anything else.....Ronnies comments
> notwithstanding. He thinks because I carry 10% repop i'm a
whore......I've
> got a wife and two kids to raise soooooo......if the public wants it ,
they
> get it. Its called survival, pure and simple. As if Ronnie never
carried any
> shite in his store ;^).....
> You can't give away British crap in this market........

.....and isn't it a Good Thing that we're all different?

I always figured that we're all talking (basically) about every item
ever made in the history of the world....and there's someone to
appreciate each and every item. Thank God.

I'd *love* to see the dealer/appreciator who never got caught with
a repro item. Most will say they haven't, but none are that smart.
'Tis better to be honest about it, I say.

Kris

From:	Forest Duck
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:46:08 -0600

"Sanity" wrote in message
news:W1ZHd.6346$Qb.2365@edtnps89...
>
> "Kris Baker" wrote in message
> news:cQYHd.20024$by5.2634@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "Sanity" wrote in message
>> news:7sYHd.6333$Qb.2895@edtnps89...
>>>
>>> "Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>> news:porvu050fdo889830f6e71c8r9tkg8f3g3@4ax.com...
>>> > In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>>> >>
>>> >>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
>>> >>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North of
>> the
>>> > border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.
>>>
>>> Friggin' right, my pompous Churchillian cyber nemesis........If you
>> wish to
>>> see just how redneck I am, just google over to "Tubby's Garage" and
>> check
>>> out my recent interview with car and driver magazine where they have a
>>> wonderful pic of my "redneckedness".......
>>
>>
>> Very cool!
>>
>> Now I'm acquainted with *two* people who've purchased and
>> remodeled old gas stations! My friend Laurel Kane purchased a
>> Route 66 station in Afton OK a few years ago:
>> http://postcardsfromtheroad.net/afton.shtml
>>
>> Kris
>> The world is safe from me buying one
>
>
> Thanks for the link Kris.........love the '49 black and white shot. Nice
> job on the resto....kudos to your friends. In reality, my building was
> designed by my wife and I and built from scratch. She's a helluva an
> artist and drew the building in color 8 years ago. We built it 2 years ago
> and designed our residence to look like an old general store with all the
> vintage signage as well. Been working on a webpage lately but its become
> so well visited(the store) I don't have much time for anything
> else.....Ronnies comments notwithstanding. He thinks because I carry 10%
> repop i'm a whore......I've got a wife and two kids to raise
> soooooo......if the public wants it , they get it. Its called survival,
> pure and simple. As if Ronnie never carried any shite in his store
> ;^).....
> You can't give away British crap in this market........
>
>
>>
>>
>
>Hey Sanity,
When I get up your way, I will stop by your place. Very nice.
Just to set the record straight, Ronnie is Irish. He's really not so bad
except for his bleeding liberalism .
He is very knowledgable in the antiques business and has helped many around
this way in the pursuit of that same knowledge.
Why don't you two kiss and make up.
P.S. Ronnie, I know you don't need me to defend you. Ya'll Just be cool now
!

--
Texas Lurker
Bob Hay
forkaduck@yahoo.com

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:22:57 +0000

In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:

>Just to set the record straight, Ronnie is Irish.

Irish, English, British .... Isle of Man ... I doubt it makes much of
a difference to guys like Shawn.

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:54:32 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:m0t1v0dumeu7jsmbuq3if4sgij2fm7r888@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:
>
>
>
>>Just to set the record straight, Ronnie is Irish.
>
>
> Irish, English, British .... Isle of Man ... I doubt it makes much of
> a difference to guys like Shawn.

No more than me living north of the US border thus making me an "American
Lite".......or that I live in moose country
when there is no snow here on the pacific coast. S'matter of fact, it hit
18c here lately.

>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:11:23 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>
>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>news:m0t1v0dumeu7jsmbuq3if4sgij2fm7r888@4ax.com...
>> In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Just to set the record straight, Ronnie is Irish.
>>
>>
>> Irish, English, British .... Isle of Man ... I doubt it makes much of
>> a difference to guys like Shawn.
>
>No more than me living north of the US border thus making me an "American
>Lite".......or that I live in moose country
>when there is no snow here on the pacific coast. S'matter of fact, it hit
>18c here lately.

Difference is Shawn. I'm winding you up, whereas, you can't, quite
honestly, tell the difference apart. British, English, Irish, Scottish
it's all the same to you, Shawn.

Besides all that ... you telling us you weren't born and originally
come from the USA? But, whatever, you sure sound and post like a Yank
not like a Canadian at all. Now fess up, Shawn.

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:34:53 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:0u92v0haf9a2aigij2bc1b897i65gtpp85@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>news:m0t1v0dumeu7jsmbuq3if4sgij2fm7r888@4ax.com...
>>> In rec.antiques "Forest Duck" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just to set the record straight, Ronnie is Irish.
>>>
>>>
>>> Irish, English, British .... Isle of Man ... I doubt it makes much of
>>> a difference to guys like Shawn.
>>
>>No more than me living north of the US border thus making me an "American
>>Lite".......or that I live in moose country
>>when there is no snow here on the pacific coast. S'matter of fact, it hit
>>18c here lately.
>
>
> Difference is Shawn. I'm winding you up, whereas, you can't, quite
> honestly, tell the difference apart. British, English, Irish, Scottish
> it's all the same to you, Shawn.
>
> Besides all that ... you telling us you weren't born and originally
> come from the USA? But, whatever, you sure sound and post like a Yank
> not like a Canadian at all. Now fess up, Shawn.
>

Ok Ronnie.........i lived for three years in virginia with the "good ole
boys".....I guess mea culpa is in order........

>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:52:06 GMT

"Forest Duck" wrote in message
news:10v0uo1frd0gqe8@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Sanity" wrote in message
> news:W1ZHd.6346$Qb.2365@edtnps89...
>>
>> "Kris Baker" wrote in message
>> news:cQYHd.20024$by5.2634@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>> "Sanity" wrote in message
>>> news:7sYHd.6333$Qb.2895@edtnps89...
>>>>
>>>> "Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>> news:porvu050fdo889830f6e71c8r9tkg8f3g3@4ax.com...
>>>> > In rec.antiques Andy Dingley wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:08:42 GMT, "Sanity"
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>I will note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Yeah, but you're Canadian so you get healthcare and that makes you a
>>>> >>godamned pinko _Socialist_ !!!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Canadian??!!!!??? ... surely a US Redneck merely residing North of
>>> the
>>>> > border. My bet, Shawn is a good ole boy.
>>>>
>>>> Friggin' right, my pompous Churchillian cyber nemesis........If you
>>> wish to
>>>> see just how redneck I am, just google over to "Tubby's Garage" and
>>> check
>>>> out my recent interview with car and driver magazine where they have a
>>>> wonderful pic of my "redneckedness".......
>>>
>>>
>>> Very cool!
>>>
>>> Now I'm acquainted with *two* people who've purchased and
>>> remodeled old gas stations! My friend Laurel Kane purchased a
>>> Route 66 station in Afton OK a few years ago:
>>> http://postcardsfromtheroad.net/afton.shtml
>>>
>>> Kris
>>> The world is safe from me buying one
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the link Kris.........love the '49 black and white shot. Nice
>> job on the resto....kudos to your friends. In reality, my building was
>> designed by my wife and I and built from scratch. She's a helluva an
>> artist and drew the building in color 8 years ago. We built it 2 years
>> ago and designed our residence to look like an old general store with all
>> the vintage signage as well. Been working on a webpage lately but its
>> become so well visited(the store) I don't have much time for anything
>> else.....Ronnies comments notwithstanding. He thinks because I carry 10%
>> repop i'm a whore......I've got a wife and two kids to raise
>> soooooo......if the public wants it , they get it. Its called survival,
>> pure and simple. As if Ronnie never carried any shite in his store
>> ;^).....
>> You can't give away British crap in this market........
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hey Sanity,
> When I get up your way, I will stop by your place. Very nice.
> Just to set the record straight, Ronnie is Irish. He's really not so bad
> except for his bleeding liberalism .
> He is very knowledgable in the antiques business and has helped many
> around this way in the pursuit of that same knowledge.
> Why don't you two kiss and make up.
> P.S. Ronnie, I know you don't need me to defend you. Ya'll Just be cool
> now !
>
> --
> Texas Lurker
> Bob Hay
> forkaduck@yahoo.com

Ronnie and I have had a few tete a tetes in the last couple of years......
then again, so has pretty well everyone on this ng. I will agree, he is very
knowledgeable.....humilty notwithstanding.
I have restored 1000's of items for the public as well as museums and the
movie industry. In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
newspapers on antiques and collectibles. These facts are lost on Ronnie but
what can i say.......he is the alpha antique dude of this ng. I do believe
he is most often looking for a reaction......I temper my responses with this
in mind.
>
>

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:29:39 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>I have restored 1000's of items for the public as well as museums

Items? .... your posting history here in this ng hasn't illustrated any
great in depth knowledge on proper restoration methods. In fact, quite
the opposite.

Which museums can you cite, Shawn?

> and the movie industry.

LOL

>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.

Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you post
a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.

Or can you at least cite which magazines and newspapers published your
articles, Shawn.

... btw you aren't a literary (fan) colleague of Harry Rinker by any
chance?

>These facts are lost on Ronnie

Facts????? .... which "facts" are these, Shawn?

>but what can i say.......he is the alpha antique dude of this ng.

LOL

Well, a lot better than you, sweetheart.

> I do believe he is most often looking for a reaction.

And you usually oblige, Shawn.

LOL

>....I temper my responses with this in mind.

LOL

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:47:35 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>
>
>>I have restored 1000's of items for the public as well as museums
>
> Items? .... your posting history here in this ng hasn't illustrated any
> great in depth knowledge on proper restoration methods. In fact, quite
> the opposite.
>
> Which museums can you cite, Shawn?

"Bubba's museum of classic outhouses........".
" Dogsleds of the Great White North historical museum"

>
>> and the movie industry.
>
> LOL

Ok.......not my greatest acheivement....

>
>
>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>
>
> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you post
> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.

Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for your
reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence means
.....well....nothing.

>
> Or can you at least cite which magazines and newspapers published your
> articles, Shawn.

"Bubba's Baked Bean Bible "
"Down Home with Banjo Boy Monthly"
"Southern Boy's Weekly"

>
> ... btw you aren't a literary (fan) colleague of Harry Rinker by any
> chance?
>
>
>
>>These facts are lost on Ronnie
>
>
> Facts????? .... which "facts" are these, Shawn?

"facts are in the eyes of the beholder"........

>
>
>
>>but what can i say.......he is the alpha antique dude of this ng.
>
> LOL

I thought so......

>
> Well, a lot better than you, sweetheart.
>

Please........call me Bubba.

>
>
>> I do believe he is most often looking for a reaction.
>
> And you usually oblige, Shawn.
>
> LOL

your welcome.........

>
>
>>....I temper my responses with this in mind.
>
>
> LOL

.......half my mind , that is......

>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:19:24 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>
>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>>
>>
>> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you post
>> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.
>
>Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for your
>reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence means
>....well....nothing.

Well good man yourself, Shawn. Here's what we'll do. You scan a few of
your literary works on antiques, something insightful or radical maybe,
post them up to a new thread and we'll all have a good old discussion on
the content. What we need in this ng.

.... and btw Shawn - those citation of yours - WOW!! - what can I
say, lost for words, monster-mega!!

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:47:09 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:dqd2v09qj75a8of8915q10pjk403dvjgf8@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>>>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you post
>>> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.
>>
>>Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for your
>>reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence
>>means
>>....well....nothing.
>
>
> Well good man yourself, Shawn. Here's what we'll do. You scan a few of
> your literary works on antiques, something insightful or radical maybe,
> post them up to a new thread and we'll all have a good old discussion on
> the content. What we need in this ng.
>
>
> .... and btw Shawn - those citation of yours - WOW!! - what can I
> say, lost for words, monster-mega!!
>
>
>

coming from you Ronnie ....sniff.....means alot to me...thanks.

>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:23:20 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>
>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>news:dqd2v09qj75a8of8915q10pjk403dvjgf8@4ax.com...
>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
>>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>
>>>>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>>>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you post
>>>> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.
>>>
>>>Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for your
>>>reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence
>>>means
>>>....well....nothing.
>>
>>
>> Well good man yourself, Shawn. Here's what we'll do. You scan a few of
>> your literary works on antiques, something insightful or radical maybe,
>> post them up to a new thread and we'll all have a good old discussion on
>> the content. What we need in this ng.
>>
>>
>> .... and btw Shawn - those citation of yours - WOW!! - what can I
>> say, lost for words, monster-mega!!
>>
>>
>>
>
>coming from you Ronnie ....sniff.....means alot to me...thanks.
>

Huh????? naw, you've lost me again, Shawn.

.... I hoping you are scanning away, in between, the spray booth jobs

Scan .... Scan .... Scan .... Spray ... Spray ... Spray

--
Ronnie

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:46:51 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:tjl2v055097oqqbpi81gkkij3n249n1j1c@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>news:dqd2v09qj75a8of8915q10pjk403dvjgf8@4ax.com...
>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>>news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
>>>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>>>>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you
>>>>> post
>>>>> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.
>>>>
>>>>Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for
>>>>your
>>>>reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence
>>>>means
>>>>....well....nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well good man yourself, Shawn. Here's what we'll do. You scan a few of
>>> your literary works on antiques, something insightful or radical maybe,
>>> post them up to a new thread and we'll all have a good old discussion on
>>> the content. What we need in this ng.
>>>
>>>
>>> .... and btw Shawn - those citation of yours - WOW!! - what can I
>>> say, lost for words, monster-mega!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>coming from you Ronnie ....sniff.....means alot to me...thanks.
>>
>
>
>
> Huh????? naw, you've lost me again, Shawn.
>
> .... I hoping you are scanning away, in between, the spray booth jobs
>
>
> Scan .... Scan .... Scan .... Spray ... Spray ... Spray

guess I'll have buy a scanner and give up my varnish brush, wax and 0000
steel wool?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:25:12 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>
>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>news:tjl2v055097oqqbpi81gkkij3n249n1j1c@4ax.com...
>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>news:dqd2v09qj75a8of8915q10pjk403dvjgf8@4ax.com...
>>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>>>news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
>>>>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>>>>>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you
>>>>>> post
>>>>>> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for
>>>>>your
>>>>>reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence
>>>>>means
>>>>>....well....nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well good man yourself, Shawn. Here's what we'll do. You scan a few of
>>>> your literary works on antiques, something insightful or radical maybe,
>>>> post them up to a new thread and we'll all have a good old discussion on
>>>> the content. What we need in this ng.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .... and btw Shawn - those citation of yours - WOW!! - what can I
>>>> say, lost for words, monster-mega!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>coming from you Ronnie ....sniff.....means alot to me...thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Huh????? naw, you've lost me again, Shawn.
>>
>> .... I hoping you are scanning away, in between, the spray booth jobs
>>
>>
>> Scan .... Scan .... Scan .... Spray ... Spray ... Spray
>
>
>
>guess I'll have buy a scanner and give up my varnish brush, wax and 0000
>steel wool?

Well Shawn, judging by that dreadful aged faux finish on those gas pumps
outside your forecourt giving up the old varnish, wax and steel wool may
not be a bad idea, in your case.

--

Ronnie

.... looking forward to those antique articles.

From:	Sanity
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:54:29 GMT

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:in25v01q87sks4qq1vs69m8jsp38dlelfc@4ax.com...
> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>news:tjl2v055097oqqbpi81gkkij3n249n1j1c@4ax.com...
>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>>news:dqd2v09qj75a8of8915q10pjk403dvjgf8@4ax.com...
>>>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:6ja2v01jk6q2n7lmmoahcprlsdjpg8570r@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In the eighties, i wrote for several magazines and
>>>>>>>>newspapers on antiques and collectibles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you really? I wouldn't mind reading a few back copies. Can you
>>>>>>> post
>>>>>>> a few examples or direct me to something of yours online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eighties Ronnie....eighties. I guess I could scan a few articles for
>>>>>>your
>>>>>>reading pleasure....you , of all people, know that an on-line presence
>>>>>>means
>>>>>>....well....nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well good man yourself, Shawn. Here's what we'll do. You scan a few of
>>>>> your literary works on antiques, something insightful or radical
>>>>> maybe,
>>>>> post them up to a new thread and we'll all have a good old discussion
>>>>> on
>>>>> the content. What we need in this ng.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .... and btw Shawn - those citation of yours - WOW!! - what can I
>>>>> say, lost for words, monster-mega!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>coming from you Ronnie ....sniff.....means alot to me...thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh????? naw, you've lost me again, Shawn.
>>>
>>> .... I hoping you are scanning away, in between, the spray booth jobs
>>>
>>>
>>> Scan .... Scan .... Scan .... Spray ... Spray ... Spray
>>
>>
>>
>>guess I'll have buy a scanner and give up my varnish brush, wax and 0000
>>steel wool?
>
>
> Well Shawn, judging by that dreadful aged faux finish on those gas pumps
> outside your forecourt giving up the old varnish, wax and steel wool may
> not be a bad idea, in your case.
>
>

Thanks Ronnie..........your thoughts are always welcome but platitudes are
not nescessary.......

>
>
> --
>
> Ronnie
>
> .... looking forward to those antique articles.
>

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:51:39 +0000

In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:

>If a customer had walked into ronnies store and dropped a thousand on a
>lunch box,

It would have been a feckin' miracle - as I've never collected, bought
or sold a lunchbox in my life, nor for that matter a GI Joe, nor a
transformer, nor a Star Wars figure, nor a Beany Baby, nor the rest of
the fickle shite. Call me a boring old fart but I'm an antique dealer.
And believe it or believe it not, this is not solely all to do with
money, but I doubt a Philistine such as yourself will be able to grab
hold of that kind of concept.

>note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"

LOL ... you silly twat. Now a way back to your store full repro crap and
keep an eye out for a couple of gullible tourists, may be a few still
this time of the year, wandering through the snow in their moose drawn
Ford Caddie.

--
Ronnie

From:	Mike Wilcox
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:56:17 -0500

Ronnie McKinley wrote:

> In rec.antiques "Sanity" wrote:
>
>
>
>>If a customer had walked into ronnies store and dropped a thousand on a
>>lunch box,
>
>
> It would have been a feckin' miracle - as I've never collected, bought
> or sold a lunchbox in my life, nor for that matter a GI Joe, nor a
> transformer, nor a Star Wars figure, nor a Beany Baby, nor the rest of
> the fickle shite. Call me a boring old fart but I'm an antique dealer.
> And believe it or believe it not, this is not solely all to do with
> money, but I doubt a Philistine such as yourself will be able to grab
> hold of that kind of concept.
>
>
>
>>note however, that 'Ronnie" rymes with "Commie"
>
>
>
> LOL ... you silly twat. Now a way back to your store full repro crap and
> keep an eye out for a couple of gullible tourists, may be a few still
> this time of the year, wandering through the snow in their moose drawn
> Ford Caddie.
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another attempt to force the
market by shills. Not long ago I saw a half dozen ordinary late 19th
Century Singer treadle machines go on the unmentionable online auction
for over $1600.00 each, that normally struggle to sell at all. The same
bidder in each case was bumping up his bid several times, against no
other bid. Once the bid got ridiculous other punters jumped in thinking
it was a treasure or rare model. I later got a call to appraise one
purchased by someone influenced by such a sale, thinking they got a
really good deal getting theirs for "Only $600.00". Needless to say they
were not pleased to be told they paid over three times the market value
of a comparable machine.

Mike Wilcox

"Greed will get you everytime....Lovejoy"

From:	Roy Dennis
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:49:56 -0000

Hello to you all. This my first post to rec.antiques in three years.

First I was struck down by a severe illness that kept me in hospital for
nine months and a year before I was able to use my computer. Then for almost
two years after that, since going broadband, my modems, dial-ups, and ISP
provider have all been arguing with one another as to whether I could view
or not and then whether I could post or not to a newsgroup. Now, it seems I
can once again post to my favourite newsgroup.

Hi especially to Mike Wilcox, Ronnie McKinley, Jon Dennington, Marshall
Schoun, Gerald Clough, and many others, whose names I still remember. And
Cyanogirl, proudmari, Reyne, and Doris Bialis if they are still around

This seemed to be an appropriate point to join in the fray since I felt I
could contribute to the debate even though no longer a dealer or lecturer in
antiques.

Firstly, Mike, your reference to a shill is akin to ringing at auctions, but
in any event is a dubious means of raising prices. Shills appear here in the
audience at so-called mock auctions - but our Trading Standards officers are
more on the ball these days. Mind you "there's one born every minute", " a
fool and his money...", "a little knowledge...", and "free lunches" all
spring to mind.

However, creating, or protecting a market position is and always has been a
fair business ploy.

When dealing at fairs I would make a point of going around early to all the
other stalls; and if one dealer was offering something on his stall, similar
but at a significantly lower price than on mine, I would buy it (always, of
course negotiating a lower "trade" price ;~). I could then offer it later at
my price in another fair or in my antiques centre stalls, often many miles
away. Or if mine sold at the fair, replace it with the new purchase.

Conversely, if my item was a lot cheaper, the dealer immediately became a
prospective customer.

Incidentally, I did not "invent the wheel" - many other dealers would do
exactly the same! I sold a lot of items at well below market price until my
learning curve kicked in.

In the same way major dealers in specialist items would corner, or attempt
to corner, the market so they could set their own price levels. Nicholas
Pine did it with Goss and other crested china and then published his own
books and price guides on the subject. Another dealer fairly local to me in
the 1980s set the scene for Clarice Cliff prices. (Mind you right up to the
1990s I was predicting the Clarice Cliff bubble would burst, but that does
not seem to be the case today.) Mint & Boxed tried to do the same for Dinky
Toys, but they were crooks and were put out of business - but not until a
lot of money had changed hands.

Of course, carboot sales, then auctioneers buyers premiums and lotting
charges, and more recently *bay and the Internet, and the plethora of
Antiques Roadshows, Cash in the Attic, and similar tv fodder have changed
the markets beyond recognition.

But now I am retired, I can sit on the sidelines and remember the glory days
:-)

"Still lurking" - but I hope some of you will stay in touch.

And yes, Mike, I watched and read all the Lovejoy shows and books.

Regards
--
Roy Dennis
Please visit my new website
www.deepingsnews.org.uk
"Mike Wilcox" wrote in message
news:RgSHd.54607$W33.1436649@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another attempt to force the
> market by shills. Not long ago I saw a half dozen ordinary late 19th
> Century Singer treadle machines go on the unmentionable online auction
> for over $1600.00 each, that normally struggle to sell at all. The same
> bidder in each case was bumping up his bid several times, against no
> other bid. Once the bid got ridiculous other punters jumped in thinking
> it was a treasure or rare model. I later got a call to appraise one
> purchased by someone influenced by such a sale, thinking they got a
> really good deal getting theirs for "Only $600.00". Needless to say they
> were not pleased to be told they paid over three times the market value
> of a comparable machine.
>
> Mike Wilcox
>
> "Greed will get you everytime....Lovejoy"

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Hello Roy Dennis ..... (was [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:44:17 +0000

In rec.antiques "Roy Dennis" wrote:

>Hello to you all. This my first post to rec.antiques in three years.
>
>First I was struck down by a severe illness that kept me in hospital for
>nine months and a year before I was able to use my computer. Then for almost
>two years after that, since going broadband, my modems, dial-ups, and ISP
>provider have all been arguing with one another as to whether I could view
>or not and then whether I could post or not to a newsgroup. Now, it seems I
>can once again post to my favourite newsgroup.
>
>Hi especially to Mike Wilcox, Ronnie McKinley, Jon Dennington, Marshall
>Schoun, Gerald Clough, and many others, whose names I still remember. And
>Cyanogirl, proudmari, Reyne, and Doris Bialis if they are still around
>
>This seemed to be an appropriate point to join in the fray since I felt I
>could contribute to the debate even though no longer a dealer or lecturer in
>antiques.
>

Hello Roy, so nice to see your post once again in this great NG ;>)

Your input and insight IMO has been sadly missed, so much like many a
knowledgeable poster this ng has lost over the last few years.

And on a personal note I've missed your musings and local e-mail
newsletter from The Deepings. Love those leafy lanes of England :)

..... And so you should recall old Lovejoy didn't they used to film
that crap down the road from you? ;>))

Take care.

--
Ronnie

From:	Roy Dennis
Subject:	Re: Hello Roy Dennis ..... (was [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:26:53 -0000

Praise indeed coming from you Ronnie!

You can visit the "leafy lanes" of The Deepings (Lincolnshire UK) by
visiting my Deepings News site www.deepingsnews.org.uk - lots of news and
pictures and a huge amount more if you follow some of the links. The old
text-only column has grown up into a fully-fledged electronic newspaper.

I don't know where the Lovejoy filming was done, but the author Jonathan
Gash was a lecturer in tropical diseases at Cambridge and most of the
stories are set in East Anglia - although always using fictitious place
names, except for the main towns.

The nearby Newmarket race track (surely every Irishman knows where that is
;>) is now the venue for numerous antiques fairs and the whole area is still
fairly densely populated with antiques centres - many catering for the
tastes of the extensive ex-pat Americans and the their families, especially
at Mildenhall in Suffolk.

I'm sorry about the disgustingly long URL, but here is a map of the northern
half of East Anglia. I live 8 miles north of Peterborough, so you and other
interested parties from across the Pond can put things into context:
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=500000.725155676&Y=300000.917208633&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=freegaz&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=2000000&right.x=2&right.y=96

Trust Alison is well.

Regards
--
Roy Dennis
Please visit my new website

"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
news:on82v09mhdt729kbl1cdljifhcg8u7jkgf@4ax.com...
> Hello Roy, so nice to see your post once again in this great NG ;>)
>
> Your input and insight IMO has been sadly missed, so much like many a
> knowledgeable poster this ng has lost over the last few years.
>
> And on a personal note I've missed your musings and local e-mail
> newsletter from The Deepings. Love those leafy lanes of England :)
>
> ..... And so you should recall old Lovejoy didn't they used to film
> that crap down the road from you? ;>))
>
>
> Take care.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ronnie

From:	Mike Wilcox
Subject:	Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:26:04 -0500

Roy Dennis wrote:
> Hello to you all. This my first post to rec.antiques in three years.
>
> First I was struck down by a severe illness that kept me in hospital for
> nine months and a year before I was able to use my computer. Then for almost
> two years after that, since going broadband, my modems, dial-ups, and ISP
> provider have all been arguing with one another as to whether I could view
> or not and then whether I could post or not to a newsgroup. Now, it seems I
> can once again post to my favourite newsgroup.
>
> Hi especially to Mike Wilcox, Ronnie McKinley, Jon Dennington, Marshall
> Schoun, Gerald Clough, and many others, whose names I still remember. And
> Cyanogirl, proudmari, Reyne, and Doris Bialis if they are still around
>
> This seemed to be an appropriate point to join in the fray since I felt I
> could contribute to the debate even though no longer a dealer or lecturer in
> antiques.
>
> Firstly, Mike, your reference to a shill is akin to ringing at auctions, but
> in any event is a dubious means of raising prices. Shills appear here in the
> audience at so-called mock auctions - but our Trading Standards officers are
> more on the ball these days. Mind you "there's one born every minute", " a
> fool and his money...", "a little knowledge...", and "free lunches" all
> spring to mind.
>
> However, creating, or protecting a market position is and always has been a
> fair business ploy.
>
> When dealing at fairs I would make a point of going around early to all the
> other stalls; and if one dealer was offering something on his stall, similar
> but at a significantly lower price than on mine, I would buy it (always, of
> course negotiating a lower "trade" price ;~). I could then offer it later at
> my price in another fair or in my antiques centre stalls, often many miles
> away. Or if mine sold at the fair, replace it with the new purchase.
>
> Conversely, if my item was a lot cheaper, the dealer immediately became a
> prospective customer.
>
> Incidentally, I did not "invent the wheel" - many other dealers would do
> exactly the same! I sold a lot of items at well below market price until my
> learning curve kicked in.
>
> In the same way major dealers in specialist items would corner, or attempt
> to corner, the market so they could set their own price levels. Nicholas
> Pine did it with Goss and other crested china and then published his own
> books and price guides on the subject. Another dealer fairly local to me in
> the 1980s set the scene for Clarice Cliff prices. (Mind you right up to the
> 1990s I was predicting the Clarice Cliff bubble would burst, but that does
> not seem to be the case today.) Mint & Boxed tried to do the same for Dinky
> Toys, but they were crooks and were put out of business - but not until a
> lot of money had changed hands.
>
> Of course, carboot sales, then auctioneers buyers premiums and lotting
> charges, and more recently *bay and the Internet, and the plethora of
> Antiques Roadshows, Cash in the Attic, and similar tv fodder have changed
> the markets beyond recognition.
>
> But now I am retired, I can sit on the sidelines and remember the glory days
> :-)
>
> "Still lurking" - but I hope some of you will stay in touch.
>
> And yes, Mike, I watched and read all the Lovejoy shows and books.
>
> Regards

Hi Roy,

Good to hear from you, I hadn't received an email from you for a while
and thought I might have hunt you up like I did Kris Baker and "T" some
years ago;~)

Being in the business for a long time does bring a lot of
perspective to changing markets and how dealers have adapted in the
past. Myself, I've closed my restoration shop except for my own stuff
and work full time in the appraisal business, mainly because the local
market has been flooded with people who really haven't a clue.
Most have no genuine love of either antiques or the thrill of the hunt.
It's one thing to sell to make a living, but if we don't get the joy of
it all, we might as well be selling life insurance;~)I still rememeber
my first auctions like yesterday, standing in all kinds of weather for
hours to bid on treasures in box lots or hid in a trunk full of old
magazines.

Right now I'm helping a friend right now who is an " Old Time" Type
dealer get into the 21st Century by setting up his inventory control and
web site to sell smalls and specialty items that don't move in the
warehouse. He bought a computer three years ago and we just now took it
out of the box ;~)

P.S. How is the driving coming along?

Best regards

Mike Wilcox

"Antiques are an open invitation for every extraterrestrial to orbit in
from the planet greed.... Lovejoy"

From:	Roy Dennis
Subject:	Back to posting was Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:54:26 -0000

Hi Mike

As one website designer claims in his own home page "An Internet presence is
no longer a trading advantage or an add-on - it's essential." Antiques, as a
business, is now certainly well represented there. And I have lost count of
the stories of well-established dealers doing 50, or even 100% of their
business on the Internet. I even subscribe to the Antiques Trade Gazette
weekly newsletter online.

I created a detailed stock (inventory control) database using MS Office
Access that certainly kept track of my business activities in great detail;
but I never had occasion to translate to the WWW. Would you like me to
e-mail you with a copy? It is no longer commercially sensitive to me.

I did clear a lot of miscellaneous smalls on *bay when I came out of
hospital. The cash was welcome and packing parcels was good therapy for my
hands.

The driving is coming along fine, thanks. Ronnie will laugh when I tell you
I have got a Volvo 940 Wentworth auto estate fitted with hand controls. The
"dealer's vehicle of choice" is ideal for carting wheelchairs, electric
scooters, and walking frames, etc... ;>)

I understand Jon D has had a rough time in the last few years - health- and
family-wise. I don't see him posting, but he may still lurk?

I notice the "what is it" threads seem popular. Perhaps I should try some of
my trivia quiz questions again. Mind you, readers would have to know
something about "real" antiques :>(

Best wishes
--
Roy Dennis
Please visit my new website
www.deepingsnews.org.uk

"Mike Wilcox" wrote in message
news:D3hId.61928$W33.1852121@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Good to hear from you, I hadn't received an email from you for a while
> and thought I might have hunt you up like I did Kris Baker and "T" some
> years ago;~)
>
> Being in the business for a long time does bring a lot of
> perspective to changing markets and how dealers have adapted in the
> past. Myself, I've closed my restoration shop except for my own stuff
> and work full time in the appraisal business, mainly because the local
> market has been flooded with people who really haven't a clue.
> Most have no genuine love of either antiques or the thrill of the hunt.
> It's one thing to sell to make a living, but if we don't get the joy of
> it all, we might as well be selling life insurance;~)I still rememeber
> my first auctions like yesterday, standing in all kinds of weather for
> hours to bid on treasures in box lots or hid in a trunk full of old
> magazines.
>
> Right now I'm helping a friend right now who is an " Old Time" Type
> dealer get into the 21st Century by setting up his inventory control and
> web site to sell smalls and specialty items that don't move in the
> warehouse. He bought a computer three years ago and we just now took it
> out of the box ;~)
>
>
> P.S. How is the driving coming along?
>
> Best regards
>
> Mike Wilcox
>
> "Antiques are an open invitation for every extraterrestrial to orbit in
> from the planet greed.... Lovejoy"
>
>

From:	Mike Wilcox
Subject:	Re: Back to posting was Re: [yAbe] Collector pays $12K for lunchbox
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:42:38 -0500

Roy Dennis wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> As one website designer claims in his own home page "An Internet presence is
> no longer a trading advantage or an add-on - it's essential." Antiques, as a
> business, is now certainly well represented there. And I have lost count of
> the stories of well-established dealers doing 50, or even 100% of their
> business on the Internet. I even subscribe to the Antiques Trade Gazette
> weekly newsletter online.
>
> I created a detailed stock (inventory control) database using MS Office
> Access that certainly kept track of my business activities in great detail;
> but I never had occasion to translate to the WWW. Would you like me to
> e-mail you with a copy? It is no longer commercially sensitive to me.
>
> I did clear a lot of miscellaneous smalls on *bay when I came out of
> hospital. The cash was welcome and packing parcels was good therapy for my
> hands.
>
> The driving is coming along fine, thanks. Ronnie will laugh when I tell you
> I have got a Volvo 940 Wentworth auto estate fitted with hand controls. The
> "dealer's vehicle of choice" is ideal for carting wheelchairs, electric
> scooters, and walking frames, etc... ;>)
>
> I understand Jon D has had a rough time in the last few years - health- and
> family-wise. I don't see him posting, but he may still lurk?
>
> I notice the "what is it" threads seem popular. Perhaps I should try some of
> my trivia quiz questions again. Mind you, readers would have to know
> something about "real" antiques :>(
>
> Best wishes

I think what the internet has done is simply speed things up in a
business that used to have a simple rhythm of pickers-bootsales and
auctions, amoung people you might have dealt with for years. A long
distance transaction that in years past would have taken a couple of
weeks with the mailing of newsletters, photo's, phone cals etc.. now
takes a couple of minutes. This can be good for the bottom line to turn
over specialist items that don't move in your own area, but I think you
end up becoming a postal employee without the union benefits ;~))

I'm glad to hear the driving was coming along well, the last time we
talked you were trying to decide on the Volvo. Over here the choi