I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine and I have not been able to
find out much information on it. I am hoping someone can direct me to a
source or web location. What I do know is the machine is a King
manufactured in Buffalo New York. The name on the front is Lessing it has a
shuttle cock. King was later acquired by White and became part of White
Consolidated. The serial number is 433892 and there are patent dates of
1871 and 1879.

This is a link to pictures:
http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANHDhsxctWTFKA

Any information or comments are appreciated.
Gary

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:07:07 GMT

"keepitrunning" wrote in message
news:%vHHd.3761$8Z1.378@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine and I have not been able
to
> find out much information on it. I am hoping someone can direct me to
a
> source or web location. What I do know is the machine is a King
> manufactured in Buffalo New York. The name on the front is Lessing it
has a
> shuttle cock. King was later acquired by White and became part of
White
> Consolidated. The serial number is 433892 and there are patent dates
of
> 1871 and 1879.
>
> This is a link to pictures:
> http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANHDhsxctWTFKA
>
> Any information or comments are appreciated.
> Gary

Gary, you already know ten times more about this machine than most
people would ever want to. What else is there to know?

Kris

From:	keepitrunning
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:55 GMT

Kris,
Thanks for responding. Were there a lot of them sold or just a few. Were
they reliable a machine? What were the years they were produced? What is
the history of King manufacturing? What is the significance of the name
Lessing? How come there isn't more information on the WEB about them?

I think it is a good looking machine and the machine it's self appears well
made. The cabinet and the treadle however seem to be cheaply made and
poorly attached to the machine.

Maybe I will become the source of info on the rare and once desirable King
Lessing sewing machine! "It was discovered through tainted research that
this very machine was used to sew the silk underware worn by a certain
president during the . . . During the gold rush miners lined up in front
of madam Silver Queen's to have their denim pants repaired using the now
famous King Lessing shuttle sewing machine.

Thanks
Gary

"Kris Baker" wrote in message
news:fWOHd.19851$by5.14559@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "keepitrunning" wrote in message
> news:%vHHd.3761$8Z1.378@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine and I have not been able
> to
>> find out much information on it. I am hoping someone can direct me to
> a
>> source or web location. What I do know is the machine is a King
>> manufactured in Buffalo New York. The name on the front is Lessing it
> has a
>> shuttle cock. King was later acquired by White and became part of
> White
>> Consolidated. The serial number is 433892 and there are patent dates
> of
>> 1871 and 1879.
>>
>> This is a link to pictures:
>> http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANHDhsxctWTFKA
>>
>> Any information or comments are appreciated.
>> Gary
>
> Gary, you already know ten times more about this machine than most
> people would ever want to. What else is there to know?
>
> Kris
>
>

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:05:21 GMT

"keepitrunning" wrote in message
news:%5QHd.3813$8Z1.3035@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> Kris,
> Thanks for responding. Were there a lot of them sold or just a few.
Were
> they reliable a machine? What were the years they were produced?
What is
> the history of King manufacturing? What is the significance of the
name
> Lessing? How come there isn't more information on the WEB about them?
>
> I think it is a good looking machine and the machine it's self appears
well
> made. The cabinet and the treadle however seem to be cheaply made and
> poorly attached to the machine.
>
> Maybe I will become the source of info on the rare and once desirable
King
> Lessing sewing machine! "It was discovered through tainted research
that
> this very machine was used to sew the silk underware worn by a certain
> president during the . . . During the gold rush miners lined up in
front
> of madam Silver Queen's to have their denim pants repaired using the
now
> famous King Lessing shuttle sewing machine.
>
> Thanks
> Gary

Hi, Gary

This is a "badged" machine, meaning that the manufacturer put a
special name on it, usually determined by the name of the retailer.
A modern version of "badging" is Kenmore appliance, which can
be almost any manufacturer but are always sold by Sears.

I just found an "antique Lessing orchestral piano" advertised on
the 'net.....so I'm thinking that somewhere out there, was a large
retailer named Lessing (of course, referred to as "Lessings" by
the consumers).

Then, you've got the fact that an early chairman of Sears was named
Lessing Rosenwald (leading back to the Kenmore references)?

You can contact Sears archives here:
http://www.searsarchives.com/stores/history_chicago_first.htm
One never knows. You may have the only Lessing left.

Kris

From:	Ann Knight
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:34:32 GMT

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:41:15 UTC, "keepitrunning"
wrote:

> I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine and I have not been able to
> find out much information on it. I am hoping someone can direct me to a
> source or web location. What I do know is the machine is a King
> manufactured in Buffalo New York. The name on the front is Lessing it has a
> shuttle cock. King was later acquired by White and became part of White
> Consolidated. The serial number is 433892 and there are patent dates of
> 1871 and 1879.
>
> This is a link to pictures:
> http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANHDhsxctWTFKA

I can't find a reference to any "King" company which manufactured
sewing machines. I'd love to know where you found the info " King was
later acquired by White and became part of White
Consolidated." If you're in the US, you could call White at
1-800-446-2333 or 440-808-6550 and they may be able to give you some
info from the serial no. But, your machine doesn't look like any White
I've ever seen, so I don't hold out much hope.

--
No one died when Clinton lied.

From:	Mike Wilcox
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:55:27 -0500

Ann Knight wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:41:15 UTC, "keepitrunning"
> wrote:
>
>
>>I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine and I have not been able to
>>find out much information on it. I am hoping someone can direct me to a
>>source or web location. What I do know is the machine is a King
>>manufactured in Buffalo New York. The name on the front is Lessing it has a
>>shuttle cock. King was later acquired by White and became part of White
>>Consolidated. The serial number is 433892 and there are patent dates of
>>1871 and 1879.
>>
>>This is a link to pictures:
>>http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANHDhsxctWTFKA
>
>
> I can't find a reference to any "King" company which manufactured
> sewing machines. I'd love to know where you found the info " King was
> later acquired by White and became part of White
> Consolidated." If you're in the US, you could call White at
> 1-800-446-2333 or 440-808-6550 and they may be able to give you some
> info from the serial no. But, your machine doesn't look like any White
> I've ever seen, so I don't hold out much hope.
>

King Sewing Machine Company was located on Main Street in Buffalo, New
York at least as far back as 1909 according to some catalogues I've
seen. King was taken over along with Domestic by White, but I don't
recall the date.

Mike Wilcox

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:05:07 GMT

"Ann Knight" wrote in message
news:b3tUxRZ8mtJo-pn2-hnK3Q1r8f1lF@sdn-ap-001neomahP0457.dialsprint.net...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:41:15 UTC, "keepitrunning"
> wrote:
>
> > I recently purchased a treadle sewing machine and I have not been
able to
> > find out much information on it. I am hoping someone can direct me
to a
> > source or web location. What I do know is the machine is a King
> > manufactured in Buffalo New York. The name on the front is Lessing
it has a
> > shuttle cock. King was later acquired by White and became part of
White
> > Consolidated. The serial number is 433892 and there are patent
dates of
> > 1871 and 1879.
> >
> > This is a link to pictures:
> > http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANHDhsxctWTFKA
>
> I can't find a reference to any "King" company which manufactured
> sewing machines. I'd love to know where you found the info " King was
> later acquired by White and became part of White
> Consolidated." If you're in the US, you could call White at
> 1-800-446-2333 or 440-808-6550 and they may be able to give you some
> info from the serial no. But, your machine doesn't look like any White
> I've ever seen, so I don't hold out much hope.

Ann, if you Google "King sewing machine", you will find several
independent sources which discuss the King-White relationship....
and info about King itself.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22king+sewing+machine

Kris
Please ignore typos -- i broke my elbow yesterrday and am typing
with one finger.

From:	Ann Knight
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:31:22 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:05:07 UTC, "Kris Baker"
wrote:

> Ann, if you Google "King sewing machine", you will find several
> independent sources which discuss the King-White relationship....
> and info about King itself.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22king+sewing+machine

Thank you. I was looking in Carter Bays' "Encyclopedia of Early
American Sewing Machines," but didn't see a reference to King there.

--
No one died when Clinton lied.

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:26:56 GMT

"Ann Knight" wrote in message
news:b3tUxRZ8mtJo-pn2-Ehp8zTLWzppH@sdn-ap-003neomahP0189.dialsprint.net...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:05:07 UTC, "Kris Baker"
> wrote:
>
> > Ann, if you Google "King sewing machine", you will find several
> > independent sources which discuss the King-White relationship....
> > and info about King itself.
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22king+sewing+machine
>
> Thank you. I was looking in Carter Bays' "Encyclopedia of Early
> American Sewing Machines," but didn't see a reference to King there.

Which is why encyclopedia sales bottomed out, with the advent of
the web. ;)

> --
> No one died when Clinton lied.

Yup. Exactly. And Clinton lied about something *everyone* lies about.
How many of us lie about war, and end up killing others?

Kris

From:	Ronnie McKinley
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:54:40 +0000

In rec.antiques "Ann Knight" wrote:

> No one died when Clinton lied.

Did he not lie when he ordered the destruction of the al Shifa
pharmaceutical factory in Sudan?

Clinton, told the world with absolute certainty that there were chemical
weapons of mass destruction at that factory and that's why the USA sent
the missiles in.

Clinton said with "absolute certainty" that Iraq provided al Qaeda with
weapons of mass destruction expertise and technology in the 1990s.

A fool or a liar?

--
Ronnie

From:	mkolb at sc.tds.net
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:35:33 GMT

>Kris
>Please ignore typos -- i broke my elbow yesterrday and am typing
>with one finger.

Oh, Kris!! That gives me the all over shudders just to think about
it.

Maryann

"Anything can be anywhere!"

From:	Kris Baker
Subject:	Re: Antique Sewing machine
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:56 GMT

wrote in message
news:41f3a7e4.1279148@news.tds.net...
> >Kris
> >Please ignore typos -- i broke my elbow yesterrday and am typing
> >with one finger.
>
>
> Oh, Kris!! That gives me the all over shudders just to think about
> it.
>
> Maryann
>
> "Anything can be anywhere!"

It's not a bad break like I had before; this is more like a "fillet"
(rather
than crosswise) and I'm not even in a cast. Just an ugly sling until
I go to the bone doctor on Tuesday.

Kris
I can even use two hands today!